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JasonJohnHorn
01-16-2013, 09:47 AM
NBA.com recently posted an article about the 2013 HOF class:

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/01/15/hall-of-fame-debate-most-deserving-2/

Some candidates are as follows:
Gary Payton
Bernard King
Jerry Krause
Tim Hardaway
Mitch Richmond
Jerry Tarkanian
George McGinnis
Maurice Cheeks
Bob “Slick” Leonard
Vlade Divac
Sarunas Marciulionis

Absent from the ballot: Mark Jackson. Apparently over the last three seasons that he was on the ballot, he failed to get a single vote. I'd think the guy who was second on the all-time assist total when he retired (now third) would have gotten in for sure. Richmond and Hardaway should have been voted in by now as well. Payton seems like a clear cut first ballot player, and Benard King should have been elected years ago!

Who do you think should make the HOF this year? I set the poll up so you could select multiple votes, so feel free to vote for who ever you think if HOF worthy.

ManRam
01-16-2013, 09:58 AM
Not a terribly strong class. I'd be fine if only Gary got in.

King was a good player, but far from extraordinary. It's perfectly fair that he's had a long wait. If he gets in, he'll be one of the weakest members.

JasonJohnHorn
01-16-2013, 10:21 AM
Not a terribly strong class. I'd be fine if only Gary got in.

King was a good player, but far from extraordinary. It's perfectly fair that he's had a long wait. If he gets in, he'll be one of the weakest members.

I think the thing with Benard King is that his career was slowed due to injury. When he played be was one of the best scorers in the game, and for a SF he was a solid rebounder and great passer.

I'm curious as to your thoughts on Tim Hardaway and Mitch Richmond, and I'll throw in Mark Jackson there. I think you've already weighed in on Richmond in another thread, but I forget what you had said.

Vlade and Marciulionis will get in based on their European play.

ManRam
01-16-2013, 11:13 AM
How long have Hardaway and Mitch waited now?

I'm fine with both getting in...I'm just not to eager about it. Good players, but I don't consider either all time greats.

Of the Americans, I really think I would only vote Payton. I'd have to look into it more...this is just off the top of my head.

asandhu23
01-16-2013, 11:48 AM
Gary Payton
Bernard King
Jerry Krause
Tim Hardaway
Mitch Richmond
Jerry Tarkanian
George McGinnis
Maurice Cheeks
Bob “Slick” Leonard
Vlade Divac
Sarunas Marciulionis

how do you not call this class great?


:clap: Warriors being represented!!! Hardaway, Richmond, Marciulionis!!!

Hellcrooner
01-16-2013, 12:11 PM
I think the thing with Benard King is that his career was slowed due to injury. When he played be was one of the best scorers in the game, and for a SF he was a solid rebounder and great passer.

I'm curious as to your thoughts on Tim Hardaway and Mitch Richmond, and I'll throw in Mark Jackson there. I think you've already weighed in on Richmond in another thread, but I forget what you had said.

Vlade and Marciulionis will get in based on their European play.

i doubt it, if i dotn remember badly Oscar Schmidt is in the ballot too.
He will be the one entering for international basket.

In the end he is the dude that has scored more PRO points in teh world, yep he scored more points than kareem on games that lasted 8 less minutes , slower pace and retiring younger.

Nick Gallis is in the poll too, and will probably enter as iNternational too.

ewing
01-16-2013, 12:14 PM
Not a terribly strong class. I'd be fine if only Gary got in.

King was a good player, but far from extraordinary. It's perfectly fair that he's had a long wait. If he gets in, he'll be one of the weakest members.


BS. King was fantastic. His career was derailed by injury just has he was hitting his prime. I'd like to see him get in. I don't think he has been treated unfairly though- injuries happen

todu82
01-16-2013, 12:26 PM
Gary Payton would be my only choice to make the Hall of Fame of those candidates on the 1st ballot.

Hellcrooner
01-16-2013, 12:38 PM
My class would be King, payton, Mcginnis, cheeks, Divac, gallis, Oscar Schmidt.

Hellcrooner
01-16-2013, 12:41 PM
Just read the list, theres an spanish Coach nominated in the international category ( Lolo Sainz) doesnt make sense at all, there are better coaches in europe and even in spain.,

Chronz
01-16-2013, 01:10 PM
GP, King, Mo Cheeks, Divac, Gallis

Hellcrooner
01-16-2013, 01:13 PM
GP, King, Mo Cheeks, Divac, Gallis

similar list, you case against Mcginnis and Oscar that i have also included?

Chronz
01-16-2013, 01:44 PM
similar list, you case against Mcginnis and Oscar that i have also included?
I only threw Gallis in there because hes American. JK. I just dont know enough about Oscar to have an opinion on him. Whereas Nikos is pretty memorable because of his matchups with MJ. If you strongly feel that hes a better player than Nikos than I will yield to your expertise here.

McGinnis was a star in the ABA but didn't quite live up to that in the NBA. Solid player, but unless we count ABA championships, I dont see whats so remarkable about his career. Fringle All-Star who had very little team success. Thats not an NBA HOF career, if he makes it, it will be because of the ABA.

Chronz
01-16-2013, 01:59 PM
BS. King was fantastic. His career was derailed by injury just has he was hitting his prime. I'd like to see him get in. I don't think he has been treated unfairly though- injuries happen
Yea he had to mean career because at his best, King was an MVP caliber player. Injuries suck.

I hate that life in sports comes down to luck, King had it all but couldn't stay healthy, then we have George McGinnis who had it all but didn't want it bad enough.

If McGinnis makes it then we really open the door for far superior careers like Vince. For all the **** VC gets for not trying hard enough, McGinnis makes him look like Kobe. Long before AI said "we talkin about practice" we had McGinnis loafing during practice.

ManRam
01-16-2013, 02:03 PM
BS. King was fantastic. His career was derailed by injury just has he was hitting his prime. I'd like to see him get in. I don't think he has been treated unfairly though- injuries happen

Sorry. King in his prime was fantastic. Injuries really boned him, but I just think as a career he is a fringe HOFer. He would get in ahead of the other non-international players though.

I guess Payton, Divac, and King would be my first three to get in. Cheeks and Gallis next. Just putting Payton in might just be a case of me being too selective.

Hellcrooner
01-16-2013, 02:04 PM
I only threw Gallis in there because hes American. JK. I just dont know enough about Oscar to have an opinion on him. Whereas Nikos is pretty memorable because of his matchups with MJ. If you strongly feel that hes a better player than Nikos than I will yield to your expertise here.

McGinnis was a star in the ABA but didn't quite live up to that in the NBA. Solid player, but unless we count ABA championships, I dont see whats so remarkable about his career. Fringle All-Star who had very little team success. Thats not an NBA HOF career, if he makes it, it will be because of the ABA.

Aba counts, didnt Mel Daniels make the hof? and he was not a better aba `player.

aso for Oscar, well Gallis > Oscar, Epi ( who should be nominatedd one of this eyars, was selected best euro player of the 80s, yes over petrovic and sabonis) > Oscar.

BUT, the thing is None in this world has scored more PRO points than the dude, he is a legend in fiba basket, i actually dont like it and consider him on the Iverson style of players, but we all know THAT kind of players end up getting in because of it.
His shooting mechanincs were on par with Bird i ahve to recognise , the rest of his game was meh tough, had he accepted to get into the nba he woudl actually have been Larrys Homeless man version.

Vincent33
01-16-2013, 02:24 PM
I went with Payton, King, and Richmond.

rockbottom2010
01-16-2013, 09:25 PM
the glove w/o question.....hardaway and richmond are borderline hall of famers...and kings was suppose to be inducted a long time ago

DreamShaker
01-17-2013, 02:02 AM
I am a big Sidney Moncrief supporter. I think he should be in. The other guys besides GP are all borderline, but I would go GP, Hardaway, Divac, Cheeks, and King.