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Longhornfan1234
01-14-2013, 12:04 AM
Harden stats: 26 ppg, 4 rpg, 5 apg, 45%





I have him at 6.

James

KD

CP3

Kobe

Melo

Harden

Longhornfan1234
01-14-2013, 12:05 AM
It was a coin flip between Harden and Westbrook. Tough for me to choose.

seikou8
01-14-2013, 12:05 AM
this season sounds about right

waveycrockett
01-14-2013, 12:06 AM
The thing with the escort dropped him a few spots. Health concerns.

KniCks4LiFe
01-14-2013, 12:06 AM
I'd put him top 3 or 4 b/c he gets points on the line more than them.

xxplayerxx23
01-14-2013, 12:25 AM
Top 3 or 4 come on man. Right now thats a decent list (Op list) Wavey you are not funny at all.

AWC713
01-14-2013, 12:34 AM
in order, for THIS SEASON:

LBJ
KD
CP3
Kobe
Melo
Harden.


For future years, I'd put Rose top 5, add Kyrie #6, Harden 7 Kobe's out

xxplayerxx23
01-14-2013, 12:36 AM
:laugh: Melo not in the top 5?

ThaDubs
01-14-2013, 12:36 AM
I read Lebron James.

KniCks4LiFe
01-14-2013, 12:42 AM
Top 3 or 4 come on man. Right now thats a decent list (Op list) Wavey you are not funny at all.

He gets to the rims, he distributes, he's a terror on the fastbreak, and he shoots the 3 as well as the people on that list. He has to be top 3 or 4 do you see where Houston's offense is?

xxplayerxx23
01-14-2013, 12:44 AM
He gets to the rims, he distributes, he's a terror on the fastbreak, and he shoots the 3 as well as the people on that list. He has to be top 3 or 4 do you see where Houston's offense is?

And what case does he have over
Lebron,Durant,Paul,Melo,Kobe?

KniCks4LiFe
01-14-2013, 12:48 AM
And what case does he have over
Lebron,Durant,Paul,Melo,Kobe?

Lebron is #1, Durant and Melo flip flop 2 or 3, really the debate here should be about Paul and Kobe. That's why I said 3 or 4.:confused:

Look at what Harden is playing with, look at the roster. 25 a night.

Chacarron
01-14-2013, 12:52 AM
Top 10.

xxplayerxx23
01-14-2013, 12:54 AM
Lebron is #1, Durant and Melo flip flop 2 or 3, really the debate here should be about Paul and Kobe. That's why I said 3 or 4.:confused:

Look at what Harden is playing with, look at the roster. 25 a night.

How is he betetr then Kobe and esp Paul? Also the roster around him isn't bad.

KniCks4LiFe
01-14-2013, 12:56 AM
How is he betetr then Kobe and esp Paul? Also the roster around him isn't bad.

the roster around him isn't anywhere near what those other players have. :laugh2:

tredigs
01-14-2013, 01:21 AM
Lebron is #1, Durant and Melo flip flop 2 or 3, really the debate here should be about Paul and Kobe. That's why I said 3 or 4.:confused:

Look at what Harden is playing with, look at the roster. 25 a night.

Durant and Melo are doing no flip-flopping, Chris Paul is clearly better, and somehow Kobe is still better as well. I think Melo is playing like a top ten this year, which is not always the case, but still have him valued only slightly higher than a hobbled Dwight. His commitment to defense we were hearing about at the beginning of the year is a farce. He's a one dimensional player, and he is not the best at that one dimension. That's not back and forth with the 2nd best player in the league.

As for Harden, top 8 is fair.

xxplayerxx23
01-14-2013, 01:21 AM
the roster around him isn't anywhere near what those other players have. :laugh2:

so? Lol there is no justification that he has been better then Paul. Harden is doing good, but you make the point of the team around him, but with a bad team he gets to shoot more (Kobe shoots when he wants Im talking paul now) and do what he wants. Paul has better numbers and advance stats and is a top 2 in the MVP race as of now.

Dr.Philly
01-14-2013, 01:24 AM
The thing with the escort dropped him a few spots. Health concerns.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

xxplayerxx23
01-14-2013, 01:24 AM
Durant and Melo are doing no flip-flopping, Chris Paul is clearly better, and somehow Kobe is still better as well. I think Melo is playing like a top ten this year, which is not always the case, but still have him valued only slightly higher than a hobbled Dwight. His commitment to defense we were hearing about at the beginning of the year is a farce. He's a one dimensional player, and he is not the best at that one dimension. That's not back and forth with the 2nd best player in the league.

As for Harden, top 8 is fair.

Top ten? try top 5. He is scoring at an efficent rate, solid rebounding, solid defense and has carried the Knicks to a top 2 record in the east. You can say what you want but he has score more then Durant and trails Kobe slightly. He isn't one dimensional player. You are wrong, if you think Im wrong name more then at most 5 players better then him this year. Just to clarify I do not think Melo is flip flopable with Durant, there is no chaning 1 Lebron 2 Durant 3 Paul IMO

xxplayerxx23
01-14-2013, 01:25 AM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

How I missed your Sig :drool:

arealballer
01-14-2013, 01:25 AM
Easily a top 10 player.

Unfortunately, his name keeps popping up with alarming regularity as a true blue supporter of the vice industry.

I tend to doubt his professionalism; some rumors suggested that his constant late night partying in miami hurt his finals performances.

At what does or has his excesses in his personal life spill over to the detriment of his career.

KniCks4LiFe
01-14-2013, 01:27 AM
so? Lol there is no justification that he has been better then Paul. Harden is doing good, but you make the point of the team around him, but with a bad team he gets to shoot more (Kobe shoots when he wants Im talking paul now) and do what he wants. Paul has better numbers and advance stats and is a top 2 in the MVP race as of now.

CP3 and trust me I know the homie is bad and is the MVP in the west, but you ranking the player right now. Scoring ability, passing, etc. James Harden is a top scorer, what are you talking about him being on a bad team getting him to shoot more, he's the most efficient SG in the league. :laugh2: He's doing this w/ Asik and Parsons, that's a big difference from Blake Griffin and lob city. :laugh2:

Alayla
01-14-2013, 01:29 AM
the roster around him isn't anywhere near what those other players have. :laugh2:

Wicth is why he is scoring 25 a night. :eyebrow: do you really not know the fundamental principals on which to judge players?

KniCks4LiFe
01-14-2013, 01:33 AM
Wicth is why he is scoring 25 a night. :eyebrow: do you really not know the fundamental principals on which to judge players?

how many shots a night you think he's taking?:eyebrow:

Alayla
01-14-2013, 01:33 AM
I think by the end of the season the list will look like this
1. LBJ
2. Durant
3. Howard (assuming his injury heals)
4. CP3
5. Mello
6. Kobe
7. Wade (i would be floored if his numbers didnt look better than this come postseason)
8. Westbrook (i may be the only person on the planet that would take him over rose)
9. Rose (see Dwight Howard)
10. James Harden

KniCks4LiFe
01-14-2013, 01:36 AM
I think by the end of the season the list will look like this
1. LBJ
2. Durant
3. Howard (assuming his injury heals)
4. CP3
5. Mello
6. Kobe
7. Wade (i would be floored if his numbers didnt look better than this come postseason)
8. Westbrook (i may be the only person on the planet that would take him over rose)
9. Rose (see Dwight Howard)
10. James Harden

Kobe, Wade, Westbrook over Harden, do you hate him?

tredigs
01-14-2013, 01:39 AM
Top ten? try top 5. He is scoring at an efficent rate, solid rebounding, solid defense and has carried the Knicks to a top 2 record in the east. You can say what you want but he has score more then Durant and trails Kobe slightly. He isn't one dimensional player. You are wrong, if you think Im wrong name more then at most 5 players better then him this year. Just to clarify I do not think Melo is flip flopable with Durant, there is no chaning 1 Lebron 2 Durant 3 Paul IMO

His defense is abysmal, he has no playmaking ability, and he has not been a good rebounder. The fact that his scoring has been great this year is what keeps him in the top ten, but he is the most one dimensional player I'd put on that list.

Lebron, Durant, Cp3 and Kobe have been better than him.

After that it's the Harden, Westbrook, Melo, Duncan grouping. A healthy Rose and Howard leapfrog this group. Order is tough, and don't discount the importance of Chandler + JR Smith/Kidd to the Knicks having the 6th best record in the league.

KniCks4LiFe
01-14-2013, 01:41 AM
His defense is abysmal, he has no playmaking ability, and he has not been a good rebounder. The fact that his scoring has been great this year is what keeps him in the top ten, but he is the most one dimensional player I'd put on that list.

Lebron, Durant, Cp3 and Kobe have been better than him.

After that it's the Harden, Westbrook, Melo, Duncan grouping. A healthy Rose and Howard leapfrog this group. Order is tough, and don't discount the importance of Chandler + JR Smith/Kidd to the Knicks having the 6th best record in the league.

woah woah woah

Melo isn't top 3 or 5? :eyebrow:

tredigs
01-14-2013, 01:43 AM
Wicth is why he is scoring 25 a night. :eyebrow: do you really not know the fundamental principals on which to judge players?

26.5 a night on extremely high efficiency with very good playmaking ability. There are far worse teams than the Rockets, and only three other people in the league have a top 4 scorer.


woah woah woah

Melo isn't top 3 or 5? :eyebrow:

You act like this is something new?

Alayla
01-14-2013, 01:43 AM
Kobe, Wade, Westbrook over Harden, do you hate him?

What Argument is there for Harden over Kobe?!
tell me that and no i dont hate him James Harden is a great player he is just getting alittle too much love alittle to fast right now

I admitted that i may be the only person in the world who views Westbrook as highly as i do.

Yet u have a problem with me placing Westbrook ahead of him but not Rose? goes to show how overrated rose is or how underrated Westbrook is. i think its a little of both

And Wade is Shooting 50+% from the floor 50! Wade is getting way to much flame right now its not unreasonable to have him ahead of harden by the end of the season.

Alayla
01-14-2013, 01:45 AM
26.5 a night on extremely high efficiency with very good playmaking ability. There are far worse teams than the Rockets, and only three people in the league have a top 4 scorer.



You act like this is something new?

Like i said dont get me wrong Harden is awesome i just think that bringing up supporting casts is about the silliest pro Harden Argument ive seen.

Alayla
01-14-2013, 01:47 AM
His defense is abysmal, he has no playmaking ability, and he has not been a good rebounder. The fact that his scoring has been great this year is what keeps him in the top ten, but he is the most one dimensional player I'd put on that list.

Lebron, Durant, Cp3 and Kobe have been better than him.

After that it's the Harden, Westbrook, Melo, Duncan grouping. A healthy Rose and Howard leapfrog this group. Order is tough, and don't discount the importance of Chandler + JR Smith/Kidd to the Knicks having the 6th best record in the league.

Stopped reading there Clearly you haven't watched mello this season he has greatly improved in every single area of his game and his Defense this season has been at worst average

Alayla
01-14-2013, 01:48 AM
Kobe, Wade, Westbrook over Harden, do you hate him?

Just be Glad i didnt put Duncan over him as Duncan has a thunderously strong Case as well.

xxplayerxx23
01-14-2013, 01:49 AM
His defense is abysmal, he has no playmaking ability, and he has not been a good rebounder. The fact that his scoring has been great this year is what keeps him in the top ten, but he is the most one dimensional player I'd put on that list.

Lebron, Durant, Cp3 and Kobe have been better than him.

After that it's the Harden, Westbrook, Melo, Duncan grouping. A healthy Rose and Howard leapfrog this group. Order is tough, and don't discount the importance of Chandler + JR Smith/Kidd to the Knicks having the 6th best record in the league.

Oh please. His defense is above average. He is a good rebounder, you don't know the game if you think he is a bad one. No playmaking ability? How about he gets doubled almost EVERY time hetouches the ball, the passing out of double teams is great. Why do you think Jr smith, Kidd, Chandler have these solid numbers? Could be Melo gets doubled and all the attention. Harden and Westy are not better then Melo. Rose is debateable.Kobe? What exactly does Kobe do better?

KniCks4LiFe
01-14-2013, 01:49 AM
What Argument is there for Harden over Kobe?!

Harden is better than Kobe right now. That's right I said it. :cool:


tell me that and no i dont hate him James Harden is a great player he is just getting alittle too much love alittle to fast right now

B/c he's ballin


I admitted that i may be the only person in the world who views Westbrook as highly as i do.


I like Westbrook too but top 4?


Yet u have a problem with me placing Westbrook ahead of him but not Rose? goes to show how overrated rose is or how underrated Westbrook is. i think its a little of both
I don't think Rose should be on the list till we see how he plays post ACL.


And Wade is Shooting 50+% from the floor 50! Wade is getting way to much flame right now its not unreasonable to have him ahead of harden by the end of the season.


But that 50% is generated mostly by LeBron James.

KniCks4LiFe
01-14-2013, 01:51 AM
Just be Glad i didnt put Duncan over him as Duncan has a thunderously strong Case as well.

Yo am I the only Knicks fans that has an issue w/ this? Melo is a damn near MVP candidate.

tredigs
01-14-2013, 01:55 AM
You guys are hilarious. Now we're lauding the defense of a guy with a -1.5 RAPM (http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2013.html) who clearly doesn't pass the eye test on that end. Not to mention his astounding 6.2 rpg and 2.4 apg. What a monster defender/rebounder/playmaker. Clearly top 3 in the game.

And yes, Duncan is still better than Melo. He kills it defensively and still averages a virtual double double. He wins.

KniCks4LiFe
01-14-2013, 02:09 AM
I never said Melo is defensively superb, that never came out of my mouth. But he's the damn near MVP in the league and the scoring leader. BTW thanks for that link god I got so much hate when I said JKidd defends better than Raymond Felton. But it's there.

Alayla
01-14-2013, 02:27 AM
Yo am I the only Knicks fans that has an issue w/ this? Melo is a damn near MVP candidate.

I was speaking for Over harden im acutally pissed that i left Duncan out of my top 10.. and that pushes harden just outside of it.

Lakers + Giants
01-14-2013, 02:33 AM
Durant and Melo are doing no flip-flopping, Chris Paul is clearly better, and somehow Kobe is still better as well. I think Melo is playing like a top ten this year, which is not always the case, but still have him valued only slightly higher than a hobbled Dwight. His commitment to defense we were hearing about at the beginning of the year is a farce. He's a one dimensional player, and he is not the best at that one dimension. That's not back and forth with the 2nd best player in the league.

As for Harden, top 8 is fair.

This.

Knicks4Life is making some sig worthy comments.

Melo flip flopping with KD is laughable and yes Kobe and CP3 have been better than Melo this year. . Especially CP3.

Alayla
01-14-2013, 02:35 AM
Harden is better than Kobe right now. That's right I said it. :cool:



B/c he's ballin



I like Westbrook too but top 4?

Where did i say he was top 4 i said top 8


I don't think Rose should be on the list till we see how he plays post ACL.

I dont think you understand when i say i take Westbrook over Rose im talking a healthy Rose Westbrook is criminally underrated

But that 50% is generated mostly by LeBron James.

Lol And take Lebron James off of the Heat do you honestly believe wade would only be averaging 18 and 5?
It would be Closer to the 25 or so James Harden is putting up and 5 or 6
Its a 2 way street

The fact is Harden is a fringe top 10 player assuming everyone in the NBA is at full health and thats not even counting Kevin Love and Bynum who would have very reasonable cases if not for injury

Lucky Junior
01-14-2013, 02:36 AM
So much fail in this thread. Smh

Hardaway Here
01-14-2013, 02:38 AM
Lol And take Lebron James off of the Heat do you honestly believe wade would only be averaging 18 and 5?
It would be Closer to the 25 or so James Harden is putting up and 5 or 6
Its a 2 way street

The fact is Harden is a fringe top 10 player assuming everyone in the NBA is at full health and thats not even counting Kevin Love and Bynum who would have very reasonable cases if not for injury

I always found it funny that people try to take away what Wade can do because Lebron is there. They act like if Lebron up and left that Wade wouldn't produce at all. Hello Wade was running Miami before Lebron got there smh

Becks2307
01-14-2013, 02:59 AM
His defense is abysmal, he has no playmaking ability, and he has not been a good rebounder. The fact that his scoring has been great this year is what keeps him in the top ten, but he is the most one dimensional player I'd put on that list.

Lebron, Durant, Cp3 and Kobe have been better than him.

After that it's the Harden, Westbrook, Melo, Duncan grouping. A healthy Rose and Howard leapfrog this group. Order is tough, and don't discount the importance of Chandler + JR Smith/Kidd to the Knicks having the 6th best record in the league.


Lol PSD.

Longhornfan1234
01-14-2013, 11:13 AM
Wade is not better than Harden. Let's be serious here.

DanG
01-14-2013, 12:27 PM
Based on this season, he is 6th IMO

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant (LeBron is still the best, but Durant is slowly coming)
3. Chris Paul
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Carmelo Anthony
6. James Harden
7. Tim Duncan
8. Tony Parker
9. Dwyane Wade
10. Blake Griffin

DR_1
01-14-2013, 12:38 PM
Top 10 not sure where though have to think on it. Interesting question for sure.

ManRam
01-14-2013, 12:41 PM
He's definitely been a top 10 player this year.

I'd take LeBron, Durant, Kobe and Paul over him for sure (Kobe has been a tad bit better...not sure how long that last though). Melo and Duncan as well. Top 10 lists seem to be too fluid, so I can't peg him in a specific slot, but somewhere between 6-9 probably. He's been a tiny bit better than Wade and RWB, so depending on how much you value ~2 months of play over careers, he's probably a "better player" than those two as well.

sep11ie
01-14-2013, 12:45 PM
The thing with the escort dropped him a few spots. Health concerns.

You don't have many friends, do you?

Ebbs
01-14-2013, 12:47 PM
Yea bottom end top 10

Jacoballen22
01-14-2013, 02:06 PM
Deng lit Anthony up 2-3 times already this season. Whoever said his defense was decent is wrong on many levels. Also, KD and Melo are not flip-flop at all. In fact, Harden and Westbrook would be the toss-up. TBH I love Kobe and he's doing great this season, but he isn't better than Paul in efficiency and running the team.

I also believe that Rose will have come back better than most people think. He's putting the work in.

Stinkyoutsider
01-14-2013, 02:52 PM
Top 10 sounds right this year with him being very close to breaking into the top 5...

The thing that I'm most surprised with was that he understands that the Rockets is his team and he's the leader. I think most people knew he would put up points, assists, and shoot well. But I'm impressed that he would will his team to a win if he had to (great competitor).

AIRMAR72
01-14-2013, 03:18 PM
yup top5 this yr in my eyes