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kingsdelez24
01-12-2013, 08:04 PM
http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/2012/11/07/sam_mitchell_vince_carter_toronto_raptors/

Please don't merge this with the other Carter thread, I'm surprised nobody made one of this.

tredigs
01-12-2013, 08:12 PM
A case of too little too late for Vince and the Raptor fans that wanted him there.

Vinny642
01-12-2013, 08:19 PM
unfortunate

rockbottom2010
01-12-2013, 08:23 PM
are u kidding me.....

sep11ie
01-12-2013, 08:23 PM
Breaking 15 year old news

Nick O
01-12-2013, 08:28 PM
loooool yes he did.... did you see how he *****ed out.. no toronto fan will believe this.. hes a ***** and a quitter.... and he wanted out.. hes just saying this cause he wants his stupid number retired.. and it wont be because he walked out and went out in the worst way possible.... no.. this is bull ****

CB29
01-12-2013, 08:39 PM
It's really not a good idea to start this... He did a lot of stuff to alienate himself with our fanbase. He told the sonics the plays we were running at the last play of the game, told the media that he would never dunk again. It just got ridiculous. Raptors fans have moved on so i don't see the need to do this now. Raptors are playing well.

SLS80
01-12-2013, 08:46 PM
I effin hate that Babcock, I knew he was sent by Minn to destroy the raps. Look, the ******* went back to Minn after that. piss on him he should be shot

SLS80
01-12-2013, 08:48 PM
It's really not a good idea to start this... He did a lot of stuff to alienate himself with our fanbase. He told the sonics the plays we were running at the last play of the game, told the media that he would never dunk again. It just got ridiculous. Raptors fans have moved on so i don't see the need to do this now. Raptors are playing well.

I heard of him saying he would never dunk again but, the giving seattle a play at the end of a game is news to me

Sly Guy
01-12-2013, 08:50 PM
lol, sure thing there s'mitch.

Sly Guy
01-12-2013, 08:51 PM
I heard of him saying he would never dunk again but, the giving seattle a play at the end of a game is news to me

was a big fiasco.....forget who said it but it was a sonic player that reported it to the media.

SLS80
01-12-2013, 09:00 PM
was a big fiasco.....forget who said it but it was a sonic player that reported it to the media.

ya i just heard the same from someone else i believe it. but still, babdick made him be like that.

ThuglifeJ
01-13-2013, 01:02 AM
loooool yes he did.... did you see how he *****ed out.. no toronto fan will believe this.. hes a ***** and a quitter.... and he wanted out.. hes just saying this cause he wants his stupid number retired.. and it wont be because he walked out and went out in the worst way possible.... no.. this is bull ****

Why would two 50/60 something year old men lie about this? Truth hurts bro you were following lies the past 15 years it was the GM not vince

bucketss
01-13-2013, 01:04 AM
**** VCs snake *** we should have shipped his ***** *** to the worst team in the league.

SA5195
01-13-2013, 01:05 AM
Sick of it :puke:

ThuglifeJ
01-13-2013, 01:05 AM
Not gonna lie I'm kinda ticked off Mitchell waited this many years to leak this information. Speak up when it mattered more to NBA fans, woulda helped his legacy a bit you know..letting people know he wanted to stay and make things work

wow this is like bf/gf ****

ThuglifeJ
01-13-2013, 01:10 AM
the hell? cynic Toronto fans are still so bitter. The team is absolute garbage now and getting back to the good days is no where in site. next year is a terrible draft class.

for real just man up and admit that they were the best days and probably will be for Toronto fans. I'm a big Carter fan and I will easily admit that the Toronto days were the best for me. Might as well take info like this and make things better for everyone.

***** annoying..

BALLER R
01-13-2013, 01:19 AM
the hell? cynic Toronto fans are still so bitter. The team is absolute garbage now and getting back to the good days is no where in site. next year is a terrible draft class.

for real just man up and admit that they were the best days and probably will be for Toronto fans. I'm a big Carter fan and I will easily admit that the Toronto days were the best for me. Might as well take info like this and make things better for everyone.

***** annoying..

The heck team are you watching?

ThuglifeJ
01-13-2013, 01:24 AM
Dallas and Toronto. I was speaking of the Raptors, there 12-22 in the east. That's not garbage, but majority raptor fans expected a playoff appearance or something better.

BALLER R
01-13-2013, 01:24 AM
But anyways I'm sure this is true. Why would Sam Mitchell of all people lie for Vince? That just wouldn't make sense.

BALLER R
01-13-2013, 01:26 AM
Dallas and Toronto. I was speaking of the Raptors, there 12-22 in the east. That's not garbage, but majority raptor fans expected a playoff appearance or something better.

Their 14-22 and I'll give you that the record looks bad. But Toronto started the season 4-19.

Raps18-19 Champ
01-13-2013, 01:34 AM
Then why did he act like a *****?

He probably wanted to stay, but he acted like a *****. Instead of waiting it out, he gave up too quickly, especially when we got Bosh.

bucketss
01-13-2013, 01:42 AM
the hell? cynic Toronto fans are still so bitter. The team is absolute garbage now and getting back to the good days is no where in site. next year is a terrible draft class.

for real just man up and admit that they were the best days and probably will be for Toronto fans. I'm a big Carter fan and I will easily admit that the Toronto days were the best for me. Might as well take info like this and make things better for everyone.

***** annoying..

uhh we know those were our best days doesn't change the fact he was a huge ***** still less of a ***** than rupaul but nevertheless still a *****.

c.c.
01-13-2013, 01:45 AM
I lose respect for players who get bounced around the league, idk why though

Toxeryll
01-13-2013, 01:58 AM
ya right

Byronicle
01-13-2013, 02:08 AM
Did you guys actually read the whole article?

He wanted out and showed it for months, and last minute he changes his mind. If a player played like crap because he wants out, and in the very last minute he changes his mind, would you really trust him?

Of course we had to trade him, because how much confidence can you have in Vince Carter's word when he said the NIGHT before the trade that he wants to stay, when he was moping throughout the season, quitting, and telling other teams our plays?

That is what happened. He moaned and whined for months, and when a trade was in hand he began to change his mind but the damage has been DONE. you cannot ask to stay when you cost the entire season a season with your bull ****

It is so easy to say yes you would trust him in HINDSIGHT but at the time it was the right call.

JC_
01-13-2013, 02:11 AM
..still less of a ***** than rupaul.

I wouldn't go that far. "Rupaul" might not have been the player some people wanted but he played harder for longer and didn't quit on the team like Vince did. If more guys cared about winning, the Raptors wouldn't have been so terrible.

beasted86
01-13-2013, 02:44 AM
It's really not a good idea to start this... He did a lot of stuff to alienate himself with our fanbase. He told the sonics the plays we were running at the last play of the game, told the media that he would never dunk again. It just got ridiculous. Raptors fans have moved on so i don't see the need to do this now. Raptors are playing well.

:crazy:

Not trying to troll Raptors fans, but it's your idiot management and ownership's fault if he wanted out. The team has been plagued with morons in the front office and coaching staff. It's not a coincidence or solely "because it's in Canada where it's cold". Sorry, maybe that excuse works once or twice, but not with Stoudemire, Kenny Anderson, T-Mac, Vince, Mourning, Bosh, etc, etc, etc... The team has a great fanbase, but you don't find guys refusing to play for the Bucks or Timberwolves when traded there. It's because your management is made up of certifiable idiots.

Sadds The Gr8
01-13-2013, 02:52 AM
**** this dumbass quitting piece of ****

dtmagnet
01-13-2013, 02:55 AM
was a big fiasco.....forget who said it but it was a sonic player that reported it to the media.

It was Ray Allen.

ThuglifeJ
01-13-2013, 04:36 AM
:crazy:

Not trying to troll Raptors fans, but it's your idiot management and ownership's fault if he wanted out. The team has been plagued with morons in the front office and coaching staff. It's not a coincidence or solely "because it's in Canada where it's cold". Sorry, maybe that excuse works once or twice, but not with Stoudemire, Kenny Anderson, T-Mac, Vince, Mourning, Bosh, etc, etc, etc... The team has a great fanbase, but you don't find guys refusing to play for the Bucks or Timberwolves when traded there. It's because your management is made up of certifiable idiots.

Yup. As a Raptor fan growing up I pointed to them and got pissed at them first and foremost. I'm not trying to be an apologist but Vince had to put up with more crap then most other franchise players did with his management not listening to anything he wanted.

After reading this, and recalling everything, It's pretty simple what was going on in Vince's head (in my opinion). He was upset with the poor management and lack of appreciation from them (underappreciated is every alpha-male's pet peve to their ego..which means.. for any NBA star) . He figured he'd pull a buncha crap to prove a point he wants changes and the trade talk was just to make everyone worry and think how much they'll miss him. He just planned this all out and then was planning on being Vinsanity again and making everyone love him and the Raptors again once things went his way. The GM on the other hand instead of doing this, and KNOWING Vince wanted to stay and make it work, he tried out-alphaing him and shipped him out to teach HIM a lesson.

That might be going out on a limb but I honestly believe that's what happened.
Why else would he go through with that HORRIBLE deal...had a deal on the table? That is the worst deal you could possibly ever make at that time. Aaron Williams for Vince Carter? **** you "i gave him my word" Thats such GARBAGE. I cant believe Raptor fans believe this crap. There had to be more to the story you don't pull that deal if you're a GM and put you're team under the bus for years.

I hate it too cuz its super depressing to think of all the 'what ifs'. Hes still a dam multi millionaire from playing basketball so I dont feel that bad, but I do feel bad a little..He wanted to stay and had it all planned out I bet, it just didn't go as planned cuz the GM.
Not to mention there were countless times Carter looked/acted really depressed in NJ. That could be for other reasons but you never know.

Just stop saying Vince screwed your franchise over when the GM pulled the dam deal..Vince never made the actual transaction for Aaron williams you do know that right Toronto fans.

BALLER R
01-13-2013, 10:32 AM
Yup. As a Raptor fan growing up I pointed to them and got pissed at them first and foremost. I'm not trying to be an apologist but Vince had to put up with more crap then most other franchise players did with his management not listening to anything he wanted.

After reading this, and recalling everything, It's pretty simple what was going on in Vince's head (in my opinion). He was upset with the poor management and lack of appreciation from them (underappreciated is every alpha-male's pet peve to their ego..which means.. for any NBA star) . He figured he'd pull a buncha crap to prove a point he wants changes and the trade talk was just to make everyone worry and think how much they'll miss him. He just planned this all out and then was planning on being Vinsanity again and making everyone love him and the Raptors again once things went his way. The GM on the other hand instead of doing this, and KNOWING Vince wanted to stay and make it work, he tried out-alphaing him and shipped him out to teach HIM a lesson.

That might be going out on a limb but I honestly believe that's what happened.
Why else would he go through with that HORRIBLE deal...had a deal on the table? That is the worst deal you could possibly ever make at that time. Aaron Williams for Vince Carter? **** you "i gave him my word" Thats such GARBAGE. I cant believe Raptor fans believe this crap. There had to be more to the story you don't pull that deal if you're a GM and put you're team under the bus for years.

I hate it too cuz its super depressing to think of all the 'what ifs'. Hes still a dam multi millionaire from playing basketball so I dont feel that bad, but I do feel bad a little..He wanted to stay and had it all planned out I bet, it just didn't go as planned cuz the GM.
Not to mention there were countless times Carter looked/acted really depressed in NJ. That could be for other reasons but you never know.

Just stop saying Vince screwed your franchise over when the GM pulled the dam deal..Vince never made the actual transaction for Aaron williams you do know that right Toronto fans.

After awhile I started to realize this. Yes the way he left was bad but at the same time if it wasn't for Vince we would have even been relevant?

Sly Guy
01-13-2013, 11:35 AM
But anyways I'm sure this is true. Why would Sam Mitchell of all people lie for Vince? That just wouldn't make sense.

Because Vince still feels bad about he left and how wrong 'I didn't give 100%' sounds to the fans. Vince has said just about anything since he's left to smooth things over [and sometimes his comments completely conflicting with something he's said before], and it hasn't made an impact on the Toronto fans. I don't believe he said he didn't want to leave, but I think he's very much been trying to bury the hatchet for a long time.

I'm over it, but it's pretty safe to say Vince will never be honoured as a member of the Raptors after his career is over because of his comments/actions towards the end of his tenure here.

Byronicle
01-13-2013, 11:40 AM
:crazy:

Not trying to troll Raptors fans, but it's your idiot management and ownership's fault if he wanted out. The team has been plagued with morons in the front office and coaching staff. It's not a coincidence or solely "because it's in Canada where it's cold". Sorry, maybe that excuse works once or twice, but not with Stoudemire, Kenny Anderson, T-Mac, Vince, Mourning, Bosh, etc, etc, etc... The team has a great fanbase, but you don't find guys refusing to play for the Bucks or Timberwolves when traded there. It's because your management is made up of certifiable idiots.

What are you talking about? Get your facts straight and do not generalize based on the few posters who hate

Alonzo Mourning didn't play a single game as a Raptor. He refused to play

Bosh left in free agency, and the majority of the franchise's fans do not hate him.

TMac knew he wouldn't thrive playing under VC's shadow which is why he wanted out. The situation didn't benefit him

And LOL we had players not wanting to come to Canada because "God told me not to" (Salmons) or because they didn't want their children to have to learn a universal metric system :facepalm:

Your making it out to be raptor fans are full of excuses but you neglect to bring up the countless excuses players used to not come here

Byronicle
01-13-2013, 11:45 AM
Yup. As a Raptor fan growing up I pointed to them and got pissed at them first and foremost. I'm not trying to be an apologist but Vince had to put up with more crap then most other franchise players did with his management not listening to anything he wanted.

After reading this, and recalling everything, It's pretty simple what was going on in Vince's head (in my opinion). He was upset with the poor management and lack of appreciation from them (underappreciated is every alpha-male's pet peve to their ego..which means.. for any NBA star) . He figured he'd pull a buncha crap to prove a point he wants changes and the trade talk was just to make everyone worry and think how much they'll miss him. He just planned this all out and then was planning on being Vinsanity again and making everyone love him and the Raptors again once things went his way. The GM on the other hand instead of doing this, and KNOWING Vince wanted to stay and make it work, he tried out-alphaing him and shipped him out to teach HIM a lesson.

That might be going out on a limb but I honestly believe that's what happened.
Why else would he go through with that HORRIBLE deal...had a deal on the table? That is the worst deal you could possibly ever make at that time. Aaron Williams for Vince Carter? **** you "i gave him my word" Thats such GARBAGE. I cant believe Raptor fans believe this crap. There had to be more to the story you don't pull that deal if you're a GM and put you're team under the bus for years.

Just stop saying Vince screwed your franchise over when the GM pulled the dam deal..Vince never made the actual transaction for Aaron williams you do know that right Toronto fans.

You are an apologist. Clearly you are a big VC fan if you are going to follow his career throughout to its present in Dallas

Before you have to know, i dont boo VC i think its stupid but you need to read what you are writing

going out on a limb? you are doing way more than that. more speculation than looking at the hard facts

he created this drama to get appreciation? well that drama cost the Raptors an entire season. who wants a drama queen on their roster? that just hurts the team and the team's psyche more than anything

And here is where you are completely false. We didn't trade Vince Carter for Aaron Williams only. Stop twisting the story to back up your argument. It was for Eric Williams, forward/centre Aaron Williams and centre Alonzo Mourning, along with two first-round draft picks.

In hindsight yeah we got the bad end of the stick but if Alonzo stayed and Eric Williams who was a defensive specialist lived up to his role then the team would not look completely rip off

But when you go and create this drama that you want to be traded, other GM's are going to know that Raptors are desperate to trade VC. They are going to smell that and low ball them. this was the best offer they were going to get because im sure there were much worst deals out there but you got to take what you can get.

And this has nothing to do with being an alpha male. How much trust do you have in VC? A player who is willing to throw the entire team under the bus for the sake of feeling appreciated? Who is to say he doesn't do it again? Who is to say that this could've been another Dwightmare?

If you want to be traded and do good to the franchise then perform and raise your value. If you want to be appreciated by management then perform. But the minute you start moping and telling the other team's our gameplan and when you get traded you just keep creating drama with this bull in interviews and statements (which are ALL facts. no one is putting words in his mouth there) then you should be traded because you are hurting the team.

bucketss
01-13-2013, 12:33 PM
I wouldn't go that far. "Rupaul" might not have been the player some people wanted but he played harder for longer and didn't quit on the team like Vince did. If more guys cared about winning, the Raptors wouldn't have been so terrible.

vinces frustration was team orientated bosh frustration stemmed from not being on national tv so **** that attention seeking whore.

nirvana235
01-13-2013, 12:38 PM
Don't worry, Stern owes the Raps Wiggins then all will be good for Toronto.

mjt20mik
01-13-2013, 12:41 PM
calling ********!

John Walls Era
01-13-2013, 12:51 PM
Who cares? He gave little effort anyways.

Chronz
01-13-2013, 12:52 PM
:crazy:

Not trying to troll Raptors fans, but it's your idiot management and ownership's fault if he wanted out. The team has been plagued with morons in the front office and coaching staff. It's not a coincidence or solely "because it's in Canada where it's cold". Sorry, maybe that excuse works once or twice, but not with Stoudemire, Kenny Anderson, T-Mac, Vince, Mourning, Bosh, etc, etc, etc... The team has a great fanbase, but you don't find guys refusing to play for the Bucks or Timberwolves when traded there. It's because your management is made up of certifiable idiots.

Thats abit harsh but its very telling when their best GM was arguably Isiah Thomas

John Walls Era
01-13-2013, 12:52 PM
vinces frustration was team orientated bosh frustration stemmed from not being on national tv so **** that attention seeking whore.

Carter tried so much less. It was a disgrace. He was compared to MJ at one point in his career.

Chronz
01-13-2013, 12:57 PM
What are you talking about? Get your facts straight and do not generalize based on the few posters who hate

Alonzo Mourning didn't play a single game as a Raptor. He refused to play
Thats his point, he got that fact straight but hes misusing that fact to insinuate something that I doubt has anything to do with Toronto and everything to do with the fact that Miami was contending again and he wanted to go home.


TMac knew he wouldn't thrive playing under VC's shadow which is why he wanted out. The situation didn't benefit him

What do you mean by thrive? Surely you dont mean on the court because Tmac would have thrived with the increased role promised to him. He chose Orlando to play WITH Grant Hill (a greater superstar than VC) so I doubt he had any concerns about his on court performance with Vince, but he wanted to go home and have his own destiny with his cousin having his own team.

I Rock Shaqs
01-13-2013, 01:00 PM
loooool yes he did.... did you see how he *****ed out.. no toronto fan will believe this.. hes a ***** and a quitter.... and he wanted out.. hes just saying this cause he wants his stupid number retired.. and it wont be because he walked out and went out in the worst way possible.... no.. this is bull ****

I don't remember anybody electing you as the spokesperson for the Toronto Raptor fans...

John Walls Era
01-13-2013, 01:01 PM
What do you mean by thrive? Sure you dont mean on the court because Tmac would have thrived with the increased role promised to him. He chose Orlando to play WITH Grant Hill (a greater superstar than VC) so I doubt he had any concerns about his on court performance with Vince, but he wanted to go home and have his own destiny with his cousin having his own team.

What do you mean by thrive? Surely you don't mean that crap of a legacy Tmac left behind in Orlando.

Chronz
01-13-2013, 01:07 PM
In hindsight yeah we got the bad end of the stick but if Alonzo stayed and Eric Williams who was a defensive specialist lived up to his role then the team would not look completely rip off
In hindsight? That was a horrible trade from day 1. They would have been better off just getting an expiring contract like most people do.

They also handled his trade request wrong, it was OBVIOUS he wasn't trying during those final days, why not do what the Sixers did with AI ? Why not just send his *** home while you find the proper trade? Why would you want that drama close to home? Yea its immature of Vince, but he was doing whatever it took to get noticed and traded. His pleas before fell on deaf ears. I saw it with the Lakers and Kobe, some teams dont want to believe their stars want out.


Also isn't part of a GM's job to get players that would be willing to stay? Nothing about Zo's situation suggested he would be willing to spend his final days toiling on a floundering franchise. He hooked his umbilical cord to Jason Kidd to get to NJ, once it was clear they werent contending he was pulling a VC stunt of his own down in the swamps. I knew he wouldn't report to Toronto. And even if he did, that trade was still bad.


But when you go and create this drama that you want to be traded, other GM's are going to know that Raptors are desperate to trade VC. They are going to smell that and low ball them. this was the best offer they were going to get because im sure there were much worst deals out there but you got to take what you can get.
Superstars have been getting traded for years, I dont recall a worse deal in terms of financial burden and lack of talent prospects.




If you want to be traded and do good to the franchise then perform and raise your value. If you want to be appreciated by management then perform. But the minute you start moping and telling the other team's our gameplan and when you get traded you just keep creating drama with this bull in interviews and statements (which are ALL facts. no one is putting words in his mouth there) then you should be traded because you are hurting the team.
I dont see many facts in here. Can you substantiate these claims?

Chronz
01-13-2013, 01:09 PM
I lose respect for players who get bounced around the league, idk why though

Would you have lost respect for Dream if he got what he asked for? The only difference is teams didn't want to give up decent talent for Dream and the Rox refused to trade him for crap.

Chronz
01-13-2013, 01:11 PM
It is so easy to say yes you would trust him in HINDSIGHT but at the time it was the right call.In hindsight I still wouldnt trust him

Trading him away wasn't the bad call, it was how little they got for him. I dont remember who was available at the time but surely you could have done better than 2 vets who I dont even think were expiring and Alonzo FRIGGIN Mourning.

Chronz
01-13-2013, 01:14 PM
What do you mean by thrive? Surely you don't mean that crap of a legacy Tmac left behind in Orlando.

By thrive I mean on court performance and what you get out of your teams talent.

Why would I imply popularity amongst general Orlando fans once he left? LMFAO

CB29
01-13-2013, 01:22 PM
:crazy:

Not trying to troll Raptors fans, but it's your idiot management and ownership's fault if he wanted out. The team has been plagued with morons in the front office and coaching staff. It's not a coincidence or solely "because it's in Canada where it's cold". Sorry, maybe that excuse works once or twice, but not with Stoudemire, Kenny Anderson, T-Mac, Vince, Mourning, Bosh, etc, etc, etc... The team has a great fanbase, but you don't find guys refusing to play for the Bucks or Timberwolves when traded there. It's because your management is made up of certifiable idiots.

I don't get the emoticon? Raps are 7-3 in their last 10 and have played pretty well of late. That's what i was referring to. I can't ever recall a player being traded here and not wanting to play here other than Zo who in my book is the biggest villain in Raptors history.

it's not the raptors fault. When we drafted Ed Davis on draft night, some idiot reporter asked him whether he had his passport and whether he knew that he would have to pay more taxes since he was gonna play in Toronto. There's a severe lack of knowledge when it comes to Toronto. There's a lot of idiots perpetuating idiotic stereotypes about our city. The problem with the team is the losing but when we fix that, i'm sure that all players will love it here.

Chronz
01-13-2013, 01:24 PM
.....
Great sig
Ive seen that vid, too many dumbasses in this world. My friend tried the exact same trick a few months ago, got that **** on youtube, I dont think its physically possible but sooo many people tell me otherwise.

kenzo400
01-13-2013, 01:53 PM
Why would two 50/60 something year old men lie about this? Truth hurts bro you were following lies the past 15 years it was the GM not vince

Even if Carter did say that, doesn't mean he didn't change his mind the following day! I think it's pretty obvious he wanted out. You don't go yelling your teams plays to the opposing bench for no reason.

CB29
01-13-2013, 02:08 PM
Great sig
Ive seen that vid, too many dumbasses in this world. My friend tried the exact same trick a few months ago, got that **** on youtube, I dont think its physically possible but sooo many people tell me otherwise.

LOL... i've seen a lot of these and this one really made me laugh... i don't try stuff like this in real life cause i don't want stuff like this to happen. One of my friends set his shirt on fire doing a similar thing though.

beasted86
01-13-2013, 02:08 PM
What are you talking about? Get your facts straight and do not generalize based on the few posters who hate

Alonzo Mourning didn't play a single game as a Raptor. He refused to play

Bosh left in free agency, and the majority of the franchise's fans do not hate him.

TMac knew he wouldn't thrive playing under VC's shadow which is why he wanted out. The situation didn't benefit him

And LOL we had players not wanting to come to Canada because "God told me not to" (Salmons) or because they didn't want their children to have to learn a universal metric system :facepalm:

Your making it out to be raptor fans are full of excuses but you neglect to bring up the countless excuses players used to not come here
Thats my whole point... Yes, sometimes players refuse to report or do not wish to play for certain franchises and force their way out.... But the Toronto Raptors seem to have a knack for it...why is it that?

There are plenty of crappy teams in cold weather in all of the major sports leagues. There are other Canadian major sports teams this doesn't happen with. This is a problem exclusive to the Raptors. I hope Toronto fans can see this, and start to ask the questions of why that is.

beasted86
01-13-2013, 02:23 PM
I don't get the emoticon? Raps are 7-3 in their last 10 and have played pretty well of late. That's what i was referring to. I can't ever recall a player being traded here and not wanting to play here other than Zo who in my book is the biggest villain in Raptors history.

it's not the raptors fault. When we drafted Ed Davis on draft night, some idiot reporter asked him whether he had his passport and whether he knew that he would have to pay more taxes since he was gonna play in Toronto. There's a severe lack of knowledge when it comes to Toronto. There's a lot of idiots perpetuating idiotic stereotypes about our city. The problem with the team is the losing but when we fix that, i'm sure that all players will love it here.

They have had a good 10 game stretch, but for the most part have been sub par for the season. And your comment seemed to come on the heels of 'the Raptors have moved on' as if they have moved on to bigger and better things and Vince is a distant thought when the team hasn't had the same success since he left.

Also Kenny Anderson refused to play for the Raptors as well as Zo. Both of them refused to report after a trade.

CB29
01-13-2013, 04:50 PM
They have had a good 10 game stretch, but for the most part have been sub par for the season. And your comment seemed to come on the heels of 'the Raptors have moved on' as if they have moved on to bigger and better things and Vince is a distant thought when the team hasn't had the same success since he left.

Also Kenny Anderson refused to play for the Raptors as well as Zo. Both of them refused to report after a trade.

Anderson incident happened in 1998 when the team was still very new to the nba. You're singling out 2 incidents (Zo was somewhat of a medical issue) in a 17 year history of a team and saying that players don't want to be traded here. There have been dozens of incidents that other teams have had so that part of your argument is invalid. If a team is winning, then Toronto is as viable a free agent destination as almost any other medium sized market in the US.

Vince won 1 playoff series for us in his whole tenure. It's not a great achievement dude. We've finally got enough pieces and are playing well. Of course management and talent have underperformed over the years, but considering the talent we have and the injuries that we have suffered, we're playing really well. Without bargnani, Valunciunas, Kleiza, the teams won a strong majority of their games and it can be argued that due to poor officiating we should've won a couple earlier in the season which would have us in the playoffs right now but we're not that far away.

ThuglifeJ
01-13-2013, 06:15 PM
You fans are so stubborn it's not even funny. Is it all the Drake music? You're making me think Drake writes all his sappy love songs about Carter's departure now by how butthurt nearly every toronto fan still is. You guys are miserable now, and you once loved vince. end of story that's how it goes for many NBA fanbases. Just Toronto seems to act like this. Like the depressed version of knicks fans

my favorite quote is from Bill walton when he was commentating a game.
"I think only the cynics and the depressed don't like Vince Carter. basically anyone living in Toronto"

Grubes68
01-13-2013, 06:31 PM
Vince ain't never going to win nothing now. I would bet any moneys that he asks to get traded to the Heats or something just to have a shot at a tittle. It's a damn shame too because if he would have just stayed in Toronto the raptors would have won at least 2 or 3 tittles.

tapajafri
01-13-2013, 06:45 PM
Raptors should've never gotten rid of Doug Christie

CB29
01-13-2013, 07:04 PM
You fans are so stubborn it's not even funny. Is it all the Drake music? You're making me think Drake writes all his sappy love songs about Carter's departure now by how butthurt nearly every toronto fan still is. You guys are miserable now, and you once loved vince. end of story that's how it goes for many NBA fanbases. Just Toronto seems to act like this. Like the depressed version of knicks fans

my favorite quote is from Bill walton when he was commentating a game.
"I think only the cynics and the depressed don't like Vince Carter. basically anyone living in Toronto"

What exactly are you basing this on? Was he lebron James who at least took his team to the finals and made a perennial superpower in the league? Nope. He was an above average athlete who seldom used his athletic prowess and settled for jumpers. He's one of the biggest wastes of natural talent and unreached potential in the NBA who made our franchise look like crap on his way out.

You have no right to bad mouth Toronto fans since your argument has no substance and for some unfathomable reason you are talking about a rapper.

bucketss
01-13-2013, 08:34 PM
You fans are so stubborn it's not even funny. Is it all the Drake music? You're making me think Drake writes all his sappy love songs about Carter's departure now by how butthurt nearly every toronto fan still is. You guys are miserable now, and you once loved vince. end of story that's how it goes for many NBA fanbases. Just Toronto seems to act like this. Like the depressed version of knicks fans

my favorite quote is from Bill walton when he was commentating a game.
"I think only the cynics and the depressed don't like Vince Carter. basically anyone living in Toronto"

lol i like how hard you're trying to make us like him:)

ThuglifeJ
01-14-2013, 02:32 AM
He was an above average athlete who seldom used his athletic prowess and settled for jumpers.

You have no right to bad mouth Toronto fans since your argument has no substance and for some unfathomable reason you are talking about a rapper.

-You're proving my point exactly right there. You're just showing you're butthurt, clearly. You must not know much about basketball if 1. you actually believe he was just an above average athlete. He was a freak athlete most would say, and just a freak athelte would be a Gerald Green. Carter actually you know has Hall status numbers and 30th on the scoring list right now..something just an above average athlete doesnt do. 2. Everyone knows you cant JUST drive every play and dunk. You have to have a well rounded game, driving was his best true but he shot 38% from 3? That's probably the best out of the post-jordan wings besides Ray and Pierce.. Definitely better then Tmac, AI, Kobe who all 3 shot plenty 3s.


and I was talking about Drake becuz hes from Canada. And yes I have plenty reason to I'm a TDot fan but most you guys drive me crazy.

Alayla
01-14-2013, 09:05 AM
loooool yes he did.... did you see how he *****ed out.. no toronto fan will believe this.. hes a ***** and a quitter.... and he wanted out.. hes just saying this cause he wants his stupid number retired.. and it wont be because he walked out and went out in the worst way possible.... no.. this is bull ****

He isnt the one saying this the Coach and inside people are..

Alayla
01-14-2013, 09:17 AM
Vince ain't never going to win nothing now. I would bet any moneys that he asks to get traded to the Heats or something just to have a shot at a tittle. It's a damn shame too because if he would have just stayed in Toronto the raptors would have won at least 2 or 3 tittles.

?!!!! :facepalm::mad::eyebrow::confused::horse::crazy::d own::bang::cricket::cricket::cricket::punish::bs:? ??!!! How...

R. Johnson#3
01-14-2013, 09:34 AM
Not buying it. I'm certain that Vince and his drama queen ways would have definitely said something about this right after the trade happened.

Alayla
01-14-2013, 09:35 AM
Not buying it. I'm certain that Vince and his drama queen ways would have definitely said something about this right after the trade happened.

why would sam micthell lie about this?

miller74
01-14-2013, 09:49 AM
"i'm not dunking anymore"

sorry vince this bridge is burned in my eyes

BKLYNpigeon
01-14-2013, 10:01 AM
VC is a quitter. thats why he will always be a chump in my book.

CB29
01-14-2013, 10:02 AM
-You're proving my point exactly right there. You're just showing you're butthurt, clearly. You must not know much about basketball if 1. you actually believe he was just an above average athlete. He was a freak athlete most would say, and just a freak athelte would be a Gerald Green. Carter actually you know has Hall status numbers and 30th on the scoring list right now..something just an above average athlete doesnt do. 2. Everyone knows you cant JUST drive every play and dunk. You have to have a well rounded game, driving was his best true but he shot 38% from 3? That's probably the best out of the post-jordan wings besides Ray and Pierce.. Definitely better then Tmac, AI, Kobe who all 3 shot plenty 3s.


and I was talking about Drake becuz hes from Canada. And yes I have plenty reason to I'm a TDot fan but most you guys drive me crazy.

Congratulations, you're the first person to successfully piss me off in my 3 & 1/2 years on PSD. Carter's incredible athleticism was always undermined by his willingness to settle for jumpshots and that's not just 3 pointers, its also jumpshots just under the arc which he used to settle for all the time. Check out his fg %. He shot barely over 40% for a guy who was an exceptional dunker and a guy who shot 40% from behind the arc almost. Doesn't that show you something? Also, for the freak athlete that he was and as unguardable as he was, averaging 4 ft attempts a game is exceptionally underwhelming and shows his lack of willingness to drive to the basket.

I don't know if you live in Toronto or not but this city embraced Vince. We gave him status like Chicago did to Jordan and he never produced or acted like he cared. He was passive on the court. I'd take any of the guys you mentioned over Carter in a heartbeat because they all had a fire and a passion to win which we never saw from carter. He was ok with losing. He didn't want to go the extra mile and guess what he never won much in his career as a result of it.

Teams shouldn't celebrate mediocrity. That's why his jersey will never hang from the rafters of the ACC. He created circumstances that forced his departure from Toronto. he left on terrible terms and this franchise owes nothing to a player who did that to us. You're clearly not a fan of the Raptors if you can't understand that. Don't label yourself as a Toronto fan cause you're not. You're a carter fan. Don't compare me to the likes of you cause I'm a diehard raptors fan and because of him this franchise suffered for years and you don't celebrate a guy like that.

Finally, if you didn't understand from all that, then watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcTHP2K1ZWY

Either way, I really don't care. He still gets booed at the ACC every time he plays, and there's a reason that he does and his jersey will never go up cause he didn't earn it.

LeperMessiah
01-14-2013, 10:06 AM
loooool yes he did.... did you see how he *****ed out.. no toronto fan will believe this.. hes a ***** and a quitter.... and he wanted out.. hes just saying this cause he wants his stupid number retired.. and it wont be because he walked out and went out in the worst way possible.... no.. this is bull ****

You sound still upset about this, even after 8 years.

LeperMessiah
01-14-2013, 10:15 AM
When winning happens, players will stay in toronto- it's as simple as that.

CB29
01-14-2013, 10:17 AM
You sound still upset about this, even after 8 years.

If you were really upset about something in your life and someone would keep bringing it up even after an extended period of time, wouldn't you still get angry?

What are we supposed to say here exactly? Vince was an amazing player, he won 1 playoff series for us in 7 years. We should plaster his face across every billboard in the city?


When winning happens, players will stay in toronto- it's as simple as that.

Exactly. That can be said about every city in the nba though. If the lakers have 20 win seasons 5 years in a row, i'd love to see how many players would rush there.

LeperMessiah
01-14-2013, 10:26 AM
If you were really upset about something in your life and someone would keep bringing it up even after an extended period of time, wouldn't you still get angry?

What are we supposed to say here exactly? Vince was an amazing player, he won 1 playoff series for us in 7 years. We should plaster his face across every billboard in the city?


Angry maybe, but this isn't Lebron leaving Cleveland devastating. As you said, it was an above average athlete that left Toronto- like many other teams in the same situation, it always could have been handled better.

His departure should really be long forgotten. What really irritates me is the label this created, players don't want to stay here and how the media ran with it. Which is far from the truth.

CB29
01-14-2013, 10:57 AM
Angry maybe, but this isn't Lebron leaving Cleveland devastating. As you said, it was an above average athlete that left Toronto- like many other teams in the same situation, it always could have been handled better.

His departure should really be long forgotten. What really irritates me is the label this created, players don't want to stay here and how the media ran with it. Which is far from the truth.

Which is exactly why I get irritated. It wasn't like with Lebron. People treat the situation like he was a lebron-esque player which he wasn't even close to. However, he left on even worse terms and it culminated into Toronto being treated as a second class city and market which is why i get irritated by Vince Carter.

LeperMessiah
01-14-2013, 11:06 AM
So i'll keep telling Toronto fans to grow up and move the hell on already.

CB29
01-14-2013, 11:26 AM
So i'll keep telling Toronto fans to grow up and move the hell on already.

We have moved on but if you bring it up then we have strong feelings about it.

gattaca
01-14-2013, 11:32 AM
He wanted out. End of story. And he pissed on all the fans with the way he did it

LeperMessiah
01-14-2013, 11:32 AM
We have moved on but if you bring it up then we have strong feelings about it.

Then you aint moved on friend. Fan reactions anger me more than what an outsider has to say, because we know better.

CB29
01-14-2013, 11:38 AM
Then you aint moved on friend. Fan reactions anger me more than what an outsider has to say, because we know better.

He wronged the team and if someone makes the case that the team wronged him or the fanbase wronged him like that other guy did, then I will offer my opinion.

ghettosean
01-14-2013, 11:39 AM
Congratulations, you're the first person to successfully piss me off in my 3 & 1/2 years on PSD. Carter's incredible athleticism was always undermined by his willingness to settle for jumpshots and that's not just 3 pointers, its also jumpshots just under the arc which he used to settle for all the time. Check out his fg %. He shot barely over 40% for a guy who was an exceptional dunker and a guy who shot 40% from behind the arc almost. Doesn't that show you something? Also, for the freak athlete that he was and as unguardable as he was, averaging 4 ft attempts a game is exceptionally underwhelming and shows his lack of willingness to drive to the basket.

I don't know if you live in Toronto or not but this city embraced Vince. We gave him status like Chicago did to Jordan and he never produced or acted like he cared. He was passive on the court. I'd take any of the guys you mentioned over Carter in a heartbeat because they all had a fire and a passion to win which we never saw from carter. He was ok with losing. He didn't want to go the extra mile and guess what he never won much in his career as a result of it.

Teams shouldn't celebrate mediocrity. That's why his jersey will never hang from the rafters of the ACC. He created circumstances that forced his departure from Toronto. he left on terrible terms and this franchise owes nothing to a player who did that to us. You're clearly not a fan of the Raptors if you can't understand that. Don't label yourself as a Toronto fan cause you're not. You're a carter fan. Don't compare me to the likes of you cause I'm a diehard raptors fan and because of him this franchise suffered for years and you don't celebrate a guy like that.

Finally, if you didn't understand from all that, then watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcTHP2K1ZWY

Either way, I really don't care. He still gets booed at the ACC every time he plays, and there's a reason that he does and his jersey will never go up cause he didn't earn it.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Well written I couldn't have done much better... I've been waiting to post something on this thread but that about sums it up and when you said we gave him the Micheal Jordan treatment hear in Toronto there are people who have no clue.

We dedicated a day to him.... YES EVERYONE WE CREATED "Vince Carter Day" here in Toronto for him just for him and it was a public celebration as well as him getting the key to the city. He was treated like a god here in T.O and never earned it at all and in the end he spits in our face wastes a season of ours (while on a long term max deal) with his whining and complaining once Alvin Williams gets hurt (his idea to bring in Hakeem didn't work out) and then we didn't get Lebron in the Lotto draft and he *****ed because he wanted us to trade Chris Bosh (who is now an NBA Champion).

Again we treated this man like a god I only said one example and there are many more but it is what it is he treated us like **** on his way out. If anyone thinks differently they are not toronto fans or close to the situation at all they are just talking out of there ***....

He *****es/wastes a season for his team says he's never dunking again and going on for months and in the final hour we are supposed to take his word (if this is even true).

F--- THAT SH**!!!

LeperMessiah
01-14-2013, 11:39 AM
He wronged the team and if someone makes the case that the team wronged him or the fanbase wronged him like that other guy did, then I will offer my opinion.

Fair

ThuglifeJ
01-14-2013, 12:08 PM
- Check out his fg %. He shot barely over 40% for a guy who was an exceptional dunker and a guy who shot 40% from behind the arc almost. Doesn't that show you something? Also, for the freak athlete that he was and as unguardable as he was, averaging 4 ft attempts a game is exceptionally underwhelming and shows his lack of willingness to drive to the basket.

-I don't know if you live in Toronto or not but this city embraced Vince. We gave him status like Chicago did to Jordan and he never produced or acted like he cared. He was passive on the court. I'd take any of the guys you mentioned over Carter in a heartbeat because they all had a fire and a passion to win which we never saw from carter. He was ok with losing. He didn't want to go the extra mile and guess what he never won much in his career as a result of it.

- You're clearly not a fan of the Raptors if you can't understand that. Don't label yourself as a Toronto fan cause you're not. You're a carter fan. Don't compare me to the likes of you cause I'm a diehard raptors fan and because of him this franchise suffered for years and you don't celebrate a guy like that.



do you honestly believe this is a good argument. DO YOU? Just keep proving to me how ridiculous you guys are where you just keep continuing to live in a fantasy world at all costs. If anyone gives you a dose of reality the Raptor fanbase's (well about 75% of them) world comes crashing down and they all team up to throw their practiced insults out and a bout. Do you guys actually think? Actually use knowledge? Or do you just live off your baseless claims that "Vince wasnt passionate" "Vince didnt even want to DUNK ANYMORE :( "

-where are YOUR stats coming from? Were you banking that no one would look them up? I Dont even need to look I know he shot around 45% fg. 40% would be quite the exaggeration. 4 fta a game? oh look another exaggeration..I looked that one up, 5.2 a game. Not exceptional, but good for a guy who never got the Wade/Kobe calls. And no you're wrong, in Toronto he had no lack of willingness to drive. Fans like you just wanted a dunk everytime, cuz 5 a game wasn't enough. You cant drive every time, you need more to be good or they can plan around it like they will the Desmond Mason that you wanted. So his jumper wasn't good at first? Did you not want him to work on it or something, he woulda been out of the league in 10 or less years then. And look he worked on it and ended up having a terrific stroke in NJ.

-No, Toronto never gave Carter Jordan status. If they gave him Jordan status they would have done the things he asked for management. Sure they embraced him, I'm pretty sure any team that got Carter at that time would have embraced him.. They never gave him Jordan status to the league he earned that status through his ability.. the fans had nothing to ****ing do with that. And the Jordan status was dumb, they gave it to every flashy guard that entered the league in 2000.

Now that you mention it Vince never did want to go that extra mile did he?? you are SO right.
... no stop with these comments how do you determine that. I'm prettty sure he wanted to win, but that was a pipe dream, as the Lakers or Spurs were winning those years. You dont just GET a championsihp because you WANT it.
It was really Carter and a lot of role players every year.. Antonio Davis I thought was above average but not spectacular. Vince, like Tmac, got a pretty short end of the stick their entire careers. Carter never had a championship calibur team, never. It's a "what if" argument, but honestly what if Carter was drafted into LA or SA paired up with a Shaq? Duncan? Story would probably be different. Carter didnt always do the absolute best of his situation but he did pretty dam good for himself seeing as he's still playing after 15 years

So you truthfully say you would have taken any of those other players instead. Let's see I listed Kobe, Tmac, AI, Allen right?

Kobe; started his career in LA, really can't say what hed be like in a place like Toronto cuz he had it good from the get go surrounded by talent. If you followed Kobe that year after Shaq left no doubt he would have said something about management if he was unhappy. Or recent Mike Brown?
Tmac; well that's easy. He did leave Toronto. Not to mention his Orlando departure
AI; sure Ill give you that he probly would have started finish wherever. but dont complain about Carters 44-45% fg then.
Allen; okay so he portrays himself really nicely. Truth is he didnt want to start/finish in Milwaukee. He wanted out of Sea and into Boston definitely. Not to mention what Doc said about him leaving to Miami was for 'ego reasons'. Allen always wanted out of a bad situation, but the thing is he was let out of them. Pierce wanted to leave the Celtics whenever they were bad, but instead he got more help, and now he's past that ''leave stage'' and wants to end it at as a Celtic. Think if Carter got over that ''dramatic im leaving stage'' he would now have a better career and wanting to end a Raptor.

-now my favorite one...you have no right to determine whether I am a Raptor fan or not. There's nothing wrong with following the career of a favorite player as well, especially in the NBA where it's considered a players league. Ive been a Rap fan for just as long as you. I enjoy the game of basketball tho, I dont sit and pout about getting shafted by spoiled NBA players, because every star player is indeed that. You think a superstars goin to come into TORONTO and get on his knees and thank the lord he gets to play on a court with a 3D sideline, youre wrong. NBA players arent like that. I watch the game for enjoyment, I enjoyed Carters time here well because it was awesome and very enjoyable..I was pissed at him plenty, especially when he was being dramatic near the end, but I was more pissed at management for screwing things up with him. Just like I would have also been pissed at a Kobe for being a ballhog, an AI for being chucky..I thought he was weak minded sometimes, but he was one of the best showman/scorers, and had an awesome character. If I had to go back I'd definitely have Carter again those were the best times easily. I wouldn't want the Raptors to have been the Vancouver Grizzlies either. You're no bigger Raptor fan just because you go along with the booing or are unable to forgive a 26 year old kid.

ghettosean
01-14-2013, 12:48 PM
do you honestly believe this is a good argument. DO YOU? Just keep proving to me how ridiculous you guys are where you just keep continuing to live in a fantasy world at all costs. If anyone gives you a dose of reality the Raptor fanbase's (well about 75% of them) world comes crashing down and they all team up to throw their practiced insults out and a bout. Do you guys actually think? Actually use knowledge? Or do you just live off your baseless claims that "Vince wasnt passionate" "Vince didnt even want to DUNK ANYMORE :( "

-where are YOUR stats coming from? Were you banking that no one would look them up? I Dont even need to look I know he shot around 45% fg. 40% would be quite the exaggeration. 4 fta a game? oh look another exaggeration..I looked that one up, 5.2 a game. Not exceptional, but good for a guy who never got the Wade/Kobe calls. And no you're wrong, in Toronto he had no lack of willingness to drive. Fans like you just wanted a dunk everytime, cuz 5 a game wasn't enough. You cant drive every time, you need more to be good or they can plan around it like they will the Desmond Mason that you wanted. So his jumper wasn't good at first? Did you not want him to work on it or something, he woulda been out of the league in 10 or less years then. And look he worked on it and ended up having a terrific stroke in NJ.

-No, Toronto never gave Carter Jordan status. If they gave him Jordan status they would have done the things he asked for management. Sure they embraced him, I'm pretty sure any team that got Carter at that time would have embraced him.. They never gave him Jordan status to the league he earned that status through his ability.. the fans had nothing to ****ing do with that. And the Jordan status was dumb, they gave it to every flashy guard that entered the league in 2000.

Now that you mention it Vince never did want to go that extra mile did he?? you are SO right.
... no stop with these comments how do you determine that. I'm prettty sure he wanted to win, but that was a pipe dream, as the Lakers or Spurs were winning those years. You dont just GET a championsihp because you WANT it.
It was really Carter and a lot of role players every year.. Antonio Davis I thought was above average but not spectacular. Vince, like Tmac, got a pretty short end of the stick their entire careers. Carter never had a championship calibur team, never. It's a "what if" argument, but honestly what if Carter was drafted into LA or SA paired up with a Shaq? Duncan? Story would probably be different. Carter didnt always do the absolute best of his situation but he did pretty dam good for himself seeing as he's still playing after 15 years

So you truthfully say you would have taken any of those other players instead. Let's see I listed Kobe, Tmac, AI, Allen right?

Kobe; started his career in LA, really can't say what hed be like in a place like Toronto cuz he had it good from the get go surrounded by talent. If you followed Kobe that year after Shaq left no doubt he would have said something about management if he was unhappy. Or recent Mike Brown?
Tmac; well that's easy. He did leave Toronto. Not to mention his Orlando departure
AI; sure Ill give you that he probly would have started finish wherever. but dont complain about Carters 44-45% fg then.
Allen; okay so he portrays himself really nicely. Truth is he didnt want to start/finish in Milwaukee. He wanted out of Sea and into Boston definitely. Not to mention what Doc said about him leaving to Miami was for 'ego reasons'. Allen always wanted out of a bad situation, but the thing is he was let out of them. Pierce wanted to leave the Celtics whenever they were bad, but instead he got more help, and now he's past that ''leave stage'' and wants to end it at as a Celtic. Think if Carter got over that ''dramatic im leaving stage'' he would now have a better career and wanting to end a Raptor.

-now my favorite one...you have no right to determine whether I am a Raptor fan or not. There's nothing wrong with following the career of a favorite player as well, especially in the NBA where it's considered a players league. Ive been a Rap fan for just as long as you. I enjoy the game of basketball tho, I dont sit and pout about getting shafted by spoiled NBA players, because every star player is indeed that. You think a superstars goin to come into TORONTO and get on his knees and thank the lord he gets to play on a court with a 3D sideline, youre wrong. NBA players arent like that. I watch the game for enjoyment, I enjoyed Carters time here well because it was awesome and very enjoyable..I was pissed at him plenty, especially when he was being dramatic near the end, but I was more pissed at management for screwing things up with him. Just like I would have also been pissed at a Kobe for being a ballhog, an AI for being chucky..I thought he was weak minded sometimes, but he was one of the best showman/scorers, and had an awesome character. If I had to go back I'd definitely have Carter again those were the best times easily. I wouldn't want the Raptors to have been the Vancouver Grizzlies either. You're no bigger Raptor fan just because you go along with the booing or are unable to forgive a 26 year old kid.
I don't even know where to start with this but if you planned on pissing off another REAL Toronto Raptor fan you are sucessful. I as well believe that you are a Vince Carter fan and not a Raptor fan it's clear that you don't understand many of the things that the CITY (not just the organization but the city of Toronto did for him and he spat on us on his way out the door).

Don't drop loads of hot smelly steamy sh** on our doorsteps... You should be embarassed for talking about things you know nothing about. Please read my previous post if you need one example of the royal treatment Vince was given and please let me know if you need more to prove the point I have plenty. Management went with pretty much all his moves except for 2 which was to trade Chris Bosh and to have the new GM of the team be Dr. J.

We locked down the core he wanted we signed Hakeem which he also wanted and he started to ***** when one of the core players got seriously injured and decided not to honor his contract and request a trade say stupid things like he will never dunk again and gave no effort during his demands to leave Toronto... We even did **** he wanted that had to do with his personal life and gave his mother certain parking privilages and access to ACC like she was a player on the team pretty much (Why don't you go check on all the other players you mentioned and see if they got this royal treatment... Heck let me know if Kobe's mom can dance around in Staples if she wants... I'll wait for you). We did above and beyond want his warranted by fans and a franchise so please just save us on these ******** posts.

I don't want to hear he didn't get the Jordan treatment and management didn't give him what he wanted because that's a bunch of ******** if anything management did TOO MUCH of what he wanted. You are really showing you are not a raptor fan and definately were not close to the situation please stop posting this generalized nonsense.

diu9leilomo
01-14-2013, 03:23 PM
Seriously guys, the carter hate should stop. He's giving more to the city of Toronto than ANY other raptors player. If it wasn't for carter, Toronto basketball would die like the vancouver grizzlies. Also, I am sure A LOT raptors fan weren't even into basketball before carter's era. He's done waayyyy more than what he's been credit for.

LeperMessiah
01-14-2013, 04:13 PM
do you honestly believe this is a good argument. DO YOU? Just keep proving to me how ridiculous you guys are where you just keep continuing to live in a fantasy world at all costs. If anyone gives you a dose of reality the Raptor fanbase's (well about 75% of them) world comes crashing down and they all team up to throw their practiced insults out and a bout. Do you guys actually think? Actually use knowledge? Or do you just live off your baseless claims that "Vince wasnt passionate" "Vince didnt even want to DUNK ANYMORE :( "

-where are YOUR stats coming from? Were you banking that no one would look them up? I Dont even need to look I know he shot around 45% fg. 40% would be quite the exaggeration. 4 fta a game? oh look another exaggeration..I looked that one up, 5.2 a game. Not exceptional, but good for a guy who never got the Wade/Kobe calls. And no you're wrong, in Toronto he had no lack of willingness to drive. Fans like you just wanted a dunk everytime, cuz 5 a game wasn't enough. You cant drive every time, you need more to be good or they can plan around it like they will the Desmond Mason that you wanted. So his jumper wasn't good at first? Did you not want him to work on it or something, he woulda been out of the league in 10 or less years then. And look he worked on it and ended up having a terrific stroke in NJ.

-No, Toronto never gave Carter Jordan status. If they gave him Jordan status they would have done the things he asked for management. Sure they embraced him, I'm pretty sure any team that got Carter at that time would have embraced him.. They never gave him Jordan status to the league he earned that status through his ability.. the fans had nothing to ****ing do with that. And the Jordan status was dumb, they gave it to every flashy guard that entered the league in 2000.

Now that you mention it Vince never did want to go that extra mile did he?? you are SO right.
... no stop with these comments how do you determine that. I'm prettty sure he wanted to win, but that was a pipe dream, as the Lakers or Spurs were winning those years. You dont just GET a championsihp because you WANT it.
It was really Carter and a lot of role players every year.. Antonio Davis I thought was above average but not spectacular. Vince, like Tmac, got a pretty short end of the stick their entire careers. Carter never had a championship calibur team, never. It's a "what if" argument, but honestly what if Carter was drafted into LA or SA paired up with a Shaq? Duncan? Story would probably be different. Carter didnt always do the absolute best of his situation but he did pretty dam good for himself seeing as he's still playing after 15 years

So you truthfully say you would have taken any of those other players instead. Let's see I listed Kobe, Tmac, AI, Allen right?

Kobe; started his career in LA, really can't say what hed be like in a place like Toronto cuz he had it good from the get go surrounded by talent. If you followed Kobe that year after Shaq left no doubt he would have said something about management if he was unhappy. Or recent Mike Brown?
Tmac; well that's easy. He did leave Toronto. Not to mention his Orlando departure
AI; sure Ill give you that he probly would have started finish wherever. but dont complain about Carters 44-45% fg then.
Allen; okay so he portrays himself really nicely. Truth is he didnt want to start/finish in Milwaukee. He wanted out of Sea and into Boston definitely. Not to mention what Doc said about him leaving to Miami was for 'ego reasons'. Allen always wanted out of a bad situation, but the thing is he was let out of them. Pierce wanted to leave the Celtics whenever they were bad, but instead he got more help, and now he's past that ''leave stage'' and wants to end it at as a Celtic. Think if Carter got over that ''dramatic im leaving stage'' he would now have a better career and wanting to end a Raptor.

-now my favorite one...you have no right to determine whether I am a Raptor fan or not. There's nothing wrong with following the career of a favorite player as well, especially in the NBA where it's considered a players league. Ive been a Rap fan for just as long as you. I enjoy the game of basketball tho, I dont sit and pout about getting shafted by spoiled NBA players, because every star player is indeed that. You think a superstars goin to come into TORONTO and get on his knees and thank the lord he gets to play on a court with a 3D sideline, youre wrong. NBA players arent like that. I watch the game for enjoyment, I enjoyed Carters time here well because it was awesome and very enjoyable..I was pissed at him plenty, especially when he was being dramatic near the end, but I was more pissed at management for screwing things up with him. Just like I would have also been pissed at a Kobe for being a ballhog, an AI for being chucky..I thought he was weak minded sometimes, but he was one of the best showman/scorers, and had an awesome character. If I had to go back I'd definitely have Carter again those were the best times easily. I wouldn't want the Raptors to have been the Vancouver Grizzlies either. You're no bigger Raptor fan just because you go along with the booing or are unable to forgive a 26 year old kid.

lol

CB29
01-14-2013, 04:17 PM
do you honestly believe this is a good argument. DO YOU? Just keep proving to me how ridiculous you guys are where you just keep continuing to live in a fantasy world at all costs. If anyone gives you a dose of reality the Raptor fanbase's (well about 75% of them) world comes crashing down and they all team up to throw their practiced insults out and a bout. Do you guys actually think? Actually use knowledge? Or do you just live off your baseless claims that "Vince wasnt passionate" "Vince didnt even want to DUNK ANYMORE :( "

-where are YOUR stats coming from? Were you banking that no one would look them up? I Dont even need to look I know he shot around 45% fg. 40% would be quite the exaggeration. 4 fta a game? oh look another exaggeration..I looked that one up, 5.2 a game. Not exceptional, but good for a guy who never got the Wade/Kobe calls. And no you're wrong, in Toronto he had no lack of willingness to drive. Fans like you just wanted a dunk everytime, cuz 5 a game wasn't enough. You cant drive every time, you need more to be good or they can plan around it like they will the Desmond Mason that you wanted. So his jumper wasn't good at first? Did you not want him to work on it or something, he woulda been out of the league in 10 or less years then. And look he worked on it and ended up having a terrific stroke in NJ.

-No, Toronto never gave Carter Jordan status. If they gave him Jordan status they would have done the things he asked for management. Sure they embraced him, I'm pretty sure any team that got Carter at that time would have embraced him.. They never gave him Jordan status to the league he earned that status through his ability.. the fans had nothing to ****ing do with that. And the Jordan status was dumb, they gave it to every flashy guard that entered the league in 2000.

Now that you mention it Vince never did want to go that extra mile did he?? you are SO right.
... no stop with these comments how do you determine that. I'm prettty sure he wanted to win, but that was a pipe dream, as the Lakers or Spurs were winning those years. You dont just GET a championsihp because you WANT it.
It was really Carter and a lot of role players every year.. Antonio Davis I thought was above average but not spectacular. Vince, like Tmac, got a pretty short end of the stick their entire careers. Carter never had a championship calibur team, never. It's a "what if" argument, but honestly what if Carter was drafted into LA or SA paired up with a Shaq? Duncan? Story would probably be different. Carter didnt always do the absolute best of his situation but he did pretty dam good for himself seeing as he's still playing after 15 years

So you truthfully say you would have taken any of those other players instead. Let's see I listed Kobe, Tmac, AI, Allen right?

Kobe; started his career in LA, really can't say what hed be like in a place like Toronto cuz he had it good from the get go surrounded by talent. If you followed Kobe that year after Shaq left no doubt he would have said something about management if he was unhappy. Or recent Mike Brown?
Tmac; well that's easy. He did leave Toronto. Not to mention his Orlando departure
AI; sure Ill give you that he probly would have started finish wherever. but dont complain about Carters 44-45% fg then.
Allen; okay so he portrays himself really nicely. Truth is he didnt want to start/finish in Milwaukee. He wanted out of Sea and into Boston definitely. Not to mention what Doc said about him leaving to Miami was for 'ego reasons'. Allen always wanted out of a bad situation, but the thing is he was let out of them. Pierce wanted to leave the Celtics whenever they were bad, but instead he got more help, and now he's past that ''leave stage'' and wants to end it at as a Celtic. Think if Carter got over that ''dramatic im leaving stage'' he would now have a better career and wanting to end a Raptor.

-now my favorite one...you have no right to determine whether I am a Raptor fan or not. There's nothing wrong with following the career of a favorite player as well, especially in the NBA where it's considered a players league. Ive been a Rap fan for just as long as you. I enjoy the game of basketball tho, I dont sit and pout about getting shafted by spoiled NBA players, because every star player is indeed that. You think a superstars goin to come into TORONTO and get on his knees and thank the lord he gets to play on a court with a 3D sideline, youre wrong. NBA players arent like that. I watch the game for enjoyment, I enjoyed Carters time here well because it was awesome and very enjoyable..I was pissed at him plenty, especially when he was being dramatic near the end, but I was more pissed at management for screwing things up with him. Just like I would have also been pissed at a Kobe for being a ballhog, an AI for being chucky..I thought he was weak minded sometimes, but he was one of the best showman/scorers, and had an awesome character. If I had to go back I'd definitely have Carter again those were the best times easily. I wouldn't want the Raptors to have been the Vancouver Grizzlies either. You're no bigger Raptor fan just because you go along with the booing or are unable to forgive a 26 year old kid.

:clap:

I have watched pretty much every single Raptors game since 1999 so i'm more than knowledgeable to speak on the issue. Don't know how many you have seen and frankly don't care. In 1999-2001, Every single person in the city was talking about Vince Carter. I experienced it firsthand. So, my statements aren't claims, they're from what i experienced first hand through communication, sight and reading. You are blinded by the fact that someone has something negative to say about your favorite player. You can't even fathom how much attention Vince got in this city. Why do you think he wants to come back? He knows how much the city loved him and he never got it back anywhere else so he wants to come back for more.

You know how many player's careers went down the drain after toronto? Keon Clark, Morris Peterson, Mike James, TJ ford etc. Almost every guy that wanted out of toronto had his career go down the *******. Only exception i can think of is tmac but management drove him out so its a different issue.

I don't counting the first few years into the league when i posted those stats. I'm counting the years after the playoff series win because that's when Vince Carter changed. In 02-03, Vince attempted 3.7 FTA. He got up to 5.7 the next year but then when he really made it clear that he didn't want to play in toronto it went back down to 3.6. in 04-05. So those facts are not fabricated. Is it too much to ask of a guy who has arguably the best athleticism in the NBA at that time to drive to the basket. It's only his biggest strength. I mean we had a guy named Dell Curry and Morris Peterson who were exceptional 3 pt shooters on the roster. Who knew that we needed Vince the three pointer as well?

You speak about T-Mac leaving. Well, TMac was forced out. Our inept management was so happy with Vince that they didn't care about Mcgrady's talents and they facilitated his departure. Isiah told Mcgady that he should go somewhere else. I have the utmost respect for Tracy and he's someone that our fanbase should have no hostility against. But i ****ing hate his cousin.

I have no respect for Vincent Lamard carter and his stupid *** mother who both paraded this city like they owned it. His mom was his official spokesperson for everything. This guy had the arrogance to say in an interview that he didn't play his hardest the week after he got traded. Then a report surfaced that he tipped the opposing team off in the last play of the game. A report that was confirmed by Ray Allen. Despicable, and you want me to respect him. He gave up on this team, he gave up on the city and as a result he negated any respect from the Toronto Raptors and this city. What wrong did the management do by him though? We surrounded the team with capable talent that got us to the second round. Charles Oakley, Antonio Davis, Alvin Williams, Morris Peterson, Chris Bosh, Chris Childs, Dell Curry, Hakeem Olajuwon, Kevin Willis, Jalen Rose etc. Some of them were at the end of their careers but Vince made the pitch for Hakeem himself. What the hell more was management supposed to do? This shows how uninformed you are and how baseless your argument is.

Finally, you mentioned all of those guys, which 2 had the worst careers? Vince and TMAC. Both guys who admitted that they never took proper care of their bodies or didn't try hard enough to take the next step as a player.
Iverson was a former MVP. The guy left it on the floor every night even if he was a disaster chemistry wise. I'd take his career over carter's any day. Allen, Pierce, Kobe's careers speak for themselves.

I hate people like you. Honestly, I do. I should give carter praise for winning is the biggest load of ******** ever. You know how we returned that favor? That was repaid with the millions of dollars we paid him to play basketball. Don't talk like TOronto owes Vince Carter something. We gave him the opportunity to become a star and to his credit he seized it. However, after reaching the stage, he never persevered to become a complete player and thats something that will blemish his career forever.

Vince carter is the best dunker in NBA history but he also remains one of the biggest examples of unfulfilled potential in nba history.

LeperMessiah
01-14-2013, 04:25 PM
:clap:



yup

sep11ie
01-14-2013, 04:35 PM
Carter's momma is ugly.

ThuglifeJ
01-14-2013, 04:44 PM
I hated his mom as well. She held Carter back a lot cuz she was nuts.

I havent read that long post yet by CB but I will, just know that when there's multiple "Hardcore" Toronto fans teaming up to down my argument it doesn't make my argument wrong, you made up stats.

Ill respond to that in a bit. But just wanted to say I absolutely hated his mom. You know after his olympic performance she shunned him for being "anamilistic" and said it was a disgrace the way he was acting..

LanceUpperCut
01-14-2013, 04:54 PM
Seriously guys, the carter hate should stop. He's giving more to the city of Toronto than ANY other raptors player. If it wasn't for carter, Toronto basketball would die like the vancouver grizzlies. Also, I am sure A LOT raptors fan weren't even into basketball before carter's era. He's done waayyyy more than what he's been credit for.

Why the **** do people say this? Toronto is one of the biggest cities in North America and has a whole country behind them. Vince defiantly help people watch but shut up with the "would of lost the team ****". Expansion teams take a while to get good and build a fan base we've been Carter less for a while now and sucked for a while but still have one of the biggest fanbases in the nba. Vancouver was screwed by bad management like Seattle not cause they never had a Vince type player to save them. Hell Vancouver and Seattle would thrive better than a good portion of the cities today.

LeperMessiah
01-14-2013, 04:56 PM
I hated his mom as well. She held Carter back a lot cuz she was nuts.

I havent read that long post yet by CB but I will, just know that when there's multiple "Hardcore" Toronto fans teaming up to down my argument it doesn't make my argument wrong, you made up stats.

Ill respond to that in a bit. But just wanted to say I absolutely hated his mom. You know after his olympic performance she shunned him for being "anamilistic" and said it was a disgrace the way he was acting..

more hardcore than you sister.

ztilzer31
01-14-2013, 05:11 PM
I'd be pretty upset if I was a Raptors fan because of how horribly their teams have been managed, but Vince Carter was overrated in his prime. He was never a guy who could be the number 1 star on a team. Just like Blake Griffin after him, and Shawn Kemp before him, he was a human highlight reel, that got the crowd going. Undoubtedly a fan favorite, but I'd be more upset that your team has failed to put anything together since then.

I understand being upset of losing a player (believe me I'm from Seattle, and we've had our fair share of superstars leave), but to be honest the saddest part is that Vince Carter is the guy you miss the most. Never in a million years would Vince bring you a championship as a go to guy.

ThuglifeJ
01-14-2013, 05:39 PM
Vince is nothing like Kemp before him, or Blake after him...

diu9leilomo
01-14-2013, 05:40 PM
Why the **** do people say this? Toronto is one of the biggest cities in North America and has a whole country behind them. Vince defiantly help people watch but shut up with the "would of lost the team ****". Expansion teams take a while to get good and build a fan base we've been Carter less for a while now and sucked for a while but still have one of the biggest fanbases in the nba. Vancouver was screwed by bad management like Seattle not cause we they never had a Vince type player to save them. Hell Vancouver and Seattle would thrive better than a good portion of the cities today.

Unless its a proven fact, I am sure most of those fans were build up from the VC era. Vince Carter brought Canadian basketball to life, admit it and get over it.

ThuglifeJ
01-14-2013, 05:48 PM
I don't even know where to start with this but if you planned on pissing off another REAL Toronto Raptor fan you are sucessful. I as well believe that you are a Vince Carter fan and not a Raptor fan it's clear that you don't understand many of the things that the CITY (not just the organization but the city of Toronto did for him and he spat on us on his way out the door).

Don't drop loads of hot smelly steamy sh** on our doorsteps... You should be embarassed for talking about things you know nothing about. Please read my previous post if you need one example of the royal treatment Vince was given and please let me know if you need more to prove the point I have plenty. Management went with pretty much all his moves except for 2 which was to trade Chris Bosh and to have the new GM of the team be Dr. J.

We locked down the core he wanted we signed Hakeem which he also wanted and he started to ***** when one of the core players got seriously injured and decided not to honor his contract and request a trade say stupid things like he will never dunk again and gave no effort during his demands to leave Toronto... We even did **** he wanted that had to do with his personal life and gave his mother certain parking privilages and access to ACC like she was a player on the team pretty much (Why don't you go check on all the other players you mentioned and see if they got this royal treatment... Heck let me know if Kobe's mom can dance around in Staples if she wants... I'll wait for you). We did above and beyond want his warranted by fans and a franchise so please just save us on these ******** posts.

I don't want to hear he didn't get the Jordan treatment and management didn't give him what he wanted because that's a bunch of ******** if anything management did TOO MUCH of what he wanted. You are really showing you are not a raptor fan and definately were not close to the situation please stop posting this generalized nonsense.

I didn't say the Fans didn't give him Jordan treatment I said the Toronto management didn't. Note you didn't say Star player treatment you threw out Jordan treatment..
Jordan treatment like..for example. go ahead and play baseball we'll welcome you back with open arms when you're finished striking out.

anyway I dont need to prove to you I'm a Raptor fan, Ive been around since the beginning. Being a fan of Carter also (hmm the greatest Raptor, why on earth would I be a fan of him?..), doesn't make me ANY LESS of a Raptor fan. I'd put money I watch more basketball and have seen more Raptor games then you have. I dont post in your Raptor forum because majority of you guys are cynical and depressed about the Raptors.

ghettosean
01-14-2013, 05:50 PM
:clap:

I have watched pretty much every single Raptors game since 1999 so i'm more than knowledgeable to speak on the issue. Don't know how many you have seen and frankly don't care. In 1999-2001, Every single person in the city was talking about Vince Carter. I experienced it firsthand. So, my statements aren't claims, they're from what i experienced first hand through communication, sight and reading. You are blinded by the fact that someone has something negative to say about your favorite player. You can't even fathom how much attention Vince got in this city. Why do you think he wants to come back? He knows how much the city loved him and he never got it back anywhere else so he wants to come back for more.

You know how many player's careers went down the drain after toronto? Keon Clark, Morris Peterson, Mike James, TJ ford etc. Almost every guy that wanted out of toronto had his career go down the *******. Only exception i can think of is tmac but management drove him out so its a different issue.

I don't counting the first few years into the league when i posted those stats. I'm counting the years after the playoff series win because that's when Vince Carter changed. In 02-03, Vince attempted 3.7 FTA. He got up to 5.7 the next year but then when he really made it clear that he didn't want to play in toronto it went back down to 3.6. in 04-05. So those facts are not fabricated. Is it too much to ask of a guy who has arguably the best athleticism in the NBA at that time to drive to the basket. It's only his biggest strength. I mean we had a guy named Dell Curry and Morris Peterson who were exceptional 3 pt shooters on the roster. Who knew that we needed Vince the three pointer as well?

You speak about T-Mac leaving. Well, TMac was forced out. Our inept management was so happy with Vince that they didn't care about Mcgrady's talents and they facilitated his departure. Isiah told Mcgady that he should go somewhere else. I have the utmost respect for Tracy and he's someone that our fanbase should have no hostility against. But i ****ing hate his cousin.

I have no respect for Vincent Lamard carter and his stupid *** mother who both paraded this city like they owned it. His mom was his official spokesperson for everything. This guy had the arrogance to say in an interview that he didn't play his hardest the week after he got traded. Then a report surfaced that he tipped the opposing team off in the last play of the game. A report that was confirmed by Ray Allen. Despicable, and you want me to respect him. He gave up on this team, he gave up on the city and as a result he negated any respect from the Toronto Raptors and this city. What wrong did the management do by him though? We surrounded the team with capable talent that got us to the second round. Charles Oakley, Antonio Davis, Alvin Williams, Morris Peterson, Chris Bosh, Chris Childs, Dell Curry, Hakeem Olajuwon, Kevin Willis, Jalen Rose etc. Some of them were at the end of their careers but Vince made the pitch for Hakeem himself. What the hell more was management supposed to do? This shows how uninformed you are and how baseless your argument is.

Finally, you mentioned all of those guys, which 2 had the worst careers? Vince and TMAC. Both guys who admitted that they never took proper care of their bodies or didn't try hard enough to take the next step as a player.
Iverson was a former MVP. The guy left it on the floor every night even if he was a disaster chemistry wise. I'd take his career over carter's any day. Allen, Pierce, Kobe's careers speak for themselves.

I hate people like you. Honestly, I do. I should give carter praise for winning is the biggest load of ******** ever. You know how we returned that favor? That was repaid with the millions of dollars we paid him to play basketball. Don't talk like TOronto owes Vince Carter something. We gave him the opportunity to become a star and to his credit he seized it. However, after reaching the stage, he never persevered to become a complete player and thats something that will blemish his career forever.

Vince carter is the best dunker in NBA history but he also remains one of the biggest examples of unfulfilled potential in nba history.

LOL... I had to bold a bit more of your stuff because some is priceless... LOL... Seriously though CB29 you don't know as much as the other Chi town boy he's from Chi Town son and your a T.O boy just like me we cannot possibly know more than he does on this subject because he's from Chi town :facepalm:

ThuglifeJ
01-14-2013, 05:51 PM
Seriously guys, the carter hate should stop. He's giving more to the city of Toronto than ANY other raptors player. If it wasn't for carter, Toronto basketball would die like the vancouver grizzlies. Also, I am sure A LOT raptors fan weren't even into basketball before carter's era. He's done waayyyy more than what he's been credit for.

Short but true. No one wanted to embrace the Raptors until Carter, and no one except foreign players seem to want to now.

And I like that you said giving instead of gave. Carter still has more charities going in Toronto then most likely any other Toronto player.

CB29
01-14-2013, 05:54 PM
LOL... I had to bold a bit more of your stuff because some is priceless... LOL... Seriously though CB29 you don't know as much as the other Chi town boy he's from Chi Town son and your a T.O boy just like me we cannot possibly know more than he does on this subject because he's from Chi town :facepalm:

I don't understand that comment.

ghettosean
01-14-2013, 05:56 PM
I didn't say the Fans didn't give him Jordan treatment I said the Toronto management didn't. Note you didn't say Star player treatment you threw out Jordan treatment..
Jordan treatment like..for example. go ahead and play baseball we'll welcome you back with open arms when you're finished striking out.

anyway I dont need to prove to you I'm a Raptor fan, Ive been around since the beginning. Being a fan of Carter also (hmm the greatest Raptor, why on earth would I be a fan of him?..), doesn't make me ANY LESS of a Raptor fan. I'd put money I watch more basketball and have seen more Raptor games then you have. I dont post in your Raptor forum because majority of you guys are cynical and depressed about the Raptors.
I've been a season ticket holder for years including this one so lick balls buddy... I've been here supporting the franchise since day 1 GOING to games. I'm sure you really did become a raptor fan from the begining when we got Damon Stoudomire and a bunch of scrubs like Popeye Jones and **** give me a break.

If you were a Raptor fan you would know half the stuff that me and the other real fans are talking about laying down concrete examples instead of this generalized crap.

Also he leads our franchise in no categories anymore though he is the GREATEST raptor ever... Bosh leads now in most points, rebounds and blocks again VC does not lead in any category MR RAPTOR FAN!

miller74
01-14-2013, 05:56 PM
Then you aint moved on friend. Fan reactions anger me more than what an outsider has to say, because we know better.

Why do i need to move on, i dont dwell on it or anything but this subject was brought up, and Carter did the worst thing an athlete can do, he stopped trying. Im not mad or will boo him if he came back with another team, but doesnt mean i want him on my team or would want him back either. He stopped trying and it was very very evident

ThuglifeJ
01-14-2013, 05:57 PM
LOL... I had to bold a bit more of your stuff because some is priceless... LOL... Seriously though CB29 you don't know as much as the other Chi town boy he's from Chi Town son and your a T.O boy just like me we cannot possibly know more than he does on this subject because he's from Chi town :facepalm:

Ya LMAO it is PRICELESS! I'm from Chi Town, not one of the best homes of basketball or anything...I can't possibly know what I'm talking about because I'm from Chicago. You can be born in Toronto with a mentally handicapped IQ and still have more credibility according to you? I mean as long as you're born in Toronto and hate Vince you are a hardcore Raptor fan. If you've watched nearly every Raptor game, but also follow Vinces career since forever you're a phony ami right!

You're honestly making CB29 (who's having decent arguments) look bad.


LOL!! :p:p:p

ghettosean
01-14-2013, 05:57 PM
I don't understand that comment.
Your post was full of facts where the other posts I'm seeing have no facts attached to them just generalized comments.

ghettosean
01-14-2013, 05:58 PM
Ya LMAO it is PRICELESS! I'm from Chi Town, not one of the best homes of basketball or anything...I can't possibly know what I'm talking about because I'm from Chicago. You can be born in Toronto with a mentally handicapped IQ and still have more credibility according to you? I mean as long as you're born in Toronto and hate Vince you are a hardcore Raptor fan. If you've watched nearly every Raptor game, but also follow Vinces career since forever you're a phony ami right!

You're honestly making CB29 (who's having decent arguments) look bad.


LOL!! :p:p:p
Sorry again you are from Chi town and you know more about MY TEAM than me...

Your dense guy DENSE!!! Nice smily face attack though classy!

bucketss
01-14-2013, 06:08 PM
Ya LMAO it is PRICELESS! I'm from Chi Town, not one of the best homes of basketball or anything...I can't possibly know what I'm talking about because I'm from Chicago. You can be born in Toronto with a mentally handicapped IQ and still have more credibility according to you? I mean as long as you're born in Toronto and hate Vince you are a hardcore Raptor fan. If you've watched nearly every Raptor game, but also follow Vinces career since forever you're a phony ami right!

You're honestly making CB29 (who's having decent arguments) look bad.


LOL!! :p:p:p

you're a VC fan first and raptor fan second(probably lying about that) your loyalty is to vince first so gtfoh!

LanceUpperCut
01-14-2013, 06:10 PM
Unless its a proven fact, I am sure most of those fans were build up from the VC era. Vince Carter brought Canadian basketball to life, admit it and get over it.

This is such a dumb ****ing statement believe me I've been over Vince for a long time, just cause I say the city of Toronto would of survived without Vince doesn't mean I'm still butt hurt idiot. I think it's pretty common knowledge Vince put the Raps on the map like MJ did with the bulls or like many other superstars in there time did but that doesn't mean without them the franchise would fail.

CB29
01-14-2013, 06:20 PM
Your post was full of facts where the other posts I'm seeing have no facts attached to them just generalized comments.

My bad... I didn't realize that it was you who wrote that. I thought that it was thuglife

CB29
01-14-2013, 06:39 PM
You know, I wanna just end this. Vince was an outstanding player at the start of his tenure with the raptors. He drove the ball to the hoop and mixed it in with his jumper exceptionally well. He made game winners, best dunker ever and looked to be a possible face of the nba. Then after the miss against the sixers, he got injured frequently and the team started losing. His frustration and possibly poor decisions from management created more frustrations for both him and the fan base. His play was probably hurt by that but his interaction with the media and his actions on the court were not professional and undoubtedly what we got back for him contributed to our dislike of him.

ink
01-14-2013, 06:43 PM
Breaking 15 year old news

:laugh2:

ink
01-14-2013, 06:44 PM
You know, I wanna just end this. Vince was an outstanding player at the start of his tenure with the raptors. He drove the ball to the hoop and mixed it in with his jumper exceptionally well. He made game winners, best dunker ever and looked to be a possible face of the nba. Then after the miss against the sixers, he got injured frequently and the team started losing. His frustration and possibly poor decisions from management created more frustrations for both him and the fan base. His play was probably hurt by that but his interaction with the media and his actions on the court were not professional and undoubtedly what we got back for him contributed to our dislike of him.

This.

ink
01-14-2013, 06:44 PM
I'd be pretty upset if I was a Raptors fan because of how horribly their teams have been managed, but Vince Carter was overrated in his prime. He was never a guy who could be the number 1 star on a team. Just like Blake Griffin after him, and Shawn Kemp before him, he was a human highlight reel, that got the crowd going. Undoubtedly a fan favorite, but I'd be more upset that your team has failed to put anything together since then.

I understand being upset of losing a player (believe me I'm from Seattle, and we've had our fair share of superstars leave), but to be honest the saddest part is that Vince Carter is the guy you miss the most. Never in a million years would Vince bring you a championship as a go to guy.

And this.

ThuglifeJ
01-14-2013, 06:47 PM
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I have watched pretty much every single Raptors game since 1999 so i'm more than knowledgeable to speak on the issue. Don't know how many you have seen and frankly don't care. In 1999-2001, Every single person in the city was talking about Vince Carter. I experienced it firsthand. So, my statements aren't claims, they're from what i experienced first hand through communication, sight and reading. You are blinded by the fact that someone has something negative to say about your favorite player. You can't even fathom how much attention Vince got in this city. Why do you think he wants to come back? He knows how much the city loved him and he never got it back anywhere else so he wants to come back for more.
okay don't say you're more knowledgeable, that's baseless. Were both just fans. Ive been around basketball since forever and have watched nearly every game as well before and after. I'm not blinded though, I dont say all positive about Vince, but most the negative remarks are childish, and constant spew of a fantasy most Tdot fans I read off of live in. I dont know what you're getting at though, I didn't say he didn't get attention. He got the most by far when he was in Toronto. I'm not arguing the end of your statement here.

You know how many player's careers went down the drain after toronto? Keon Clark, Morris Peterson, Mike James, TJ ford etc. Almost every guy that wanted out of toronto had his career go down the *******. Only exception i can think of is tmac but management drove him out so its a different issue.
Why are you pointing this out tho, what does this have to do with what we were talking about? Plus did those players ever have promising careers except maybe TJ Ford. I need better then that if you're gonna start this argument randomly. You know how many players were worse in Toronto, or even refused to play there? Off the top of my head Mourning, Marion, Lowry. Plus Clark was a coke addict and him and Mo Pete were both on Vince's squad.

I don't counting the first few years into the league when i posted those stats. I'm counting the years after the playoff series win because that's when Vince Carter changed. In 02-03, Vince attempted 3.7 FTA. He got up to 5.7 the next year but then when he really made it clear that he didn't want to play in toronto it went back down to 3.6. in 04-05. So those facts are not fabricated. Is it too much to ask of a guy who has arguably the best athleticism in the NBA at that time to drive to the basket. It's only his biggest strength. I mean we had a guy named Dell Curry and Morris Peterson who were exceptional 3 pt shooters on the roster. Who knew that we needed Vince the three pointer as well? Now he's the beset athlete in the NBA? I thought you said he was just an above average athlete. Make up your mind. And you should have stated those were the stats you were using you just said look at his stats. I wished many times that he'd drive more as well, but that's gonna shorten your career, possible injuries..I had nothing wrong with Vince developing his shot, when he was in NJ he was a great shooter, but I did wish he drove a bit more as well..you have to understand I've followed more then just Vince, every superstar in the league drifts further away from the basket when they get older. Maybe Carter's was premature? Idk I'll give you that a little.

You speak about T-Mac leaving. Well, TMac was forced out. Our inept management was so happy with Vince that they didn't care about Mcgrady's talents and they facilitated his departure. Isiah told Mcgady that he should go somewhere else. I have the utmost respect for Tracy and he's someone that our fanbase should have no hostility against. But i ****ing hate his cousin.
That's not true Tmac was openly wanting to leave. Carter wanted him to stay and was very mad that he left. Tmac was so obvious about being jealous of his cousin's fame he tried to live it in Orlando. Although he did end up being the best Scorer ive ever seen a couple years. Tmac doesnt deserve much respect from, you're just proving you hate Vince that much. Tmac did very little for Toronto and was a baby about not being the center of attention. Toronto would have had more success if he stayed and everyone knew that.

What wrong did the management do by him though? We surrounded the team with capable talent that got us to the second round. Charles Oakley, Antonio Davis, Alvin Williams, Morris Peterson, Chris Bosh, Chris Childs, Dell Curry, Hakeem Olajuwon, Kevin Willis, Jalen Rose etc. Some of them were at the end of their careers but Vince made the pitch for Hakeem himself. What the hell more was management supposed to do? This shows how uninformed you are and how baseless your argument is.
Antionio Davis was good, Oakley was a good mentor, Alvin williams was okay. I love Mo Pete but he was a great player at the time because of Vince. What were the rest of them at that time without VInce? Old as hell. Curry, Childs, Olajuwon, Rose all at end of career like you said. Bosh was just a rookie. Not saying any of them are bad but they were indeed role players., I loved Jyd, mo pete but hey were role players. Look at that lovely list of players you showed and tell me that's championsihp calibur level players (all at different years btw). Tell me those players as good of a cast as players Kobe, Pierce, Duncan, etc got. Even like and old *** Ewing got Sprewell, Houston, Johnson...and Raptors knocked them out with their cast. Iverson and Carter both had casts of mostly role players and took them into the playoffs and further then Pierce or Kobe could when they had just role players..everyone just ignores that tho cuz they won WITH a cast. You act like it's easy for an NBA player, superstar or not, to take their team into the playoffs one, and two deep.. Iverson and Lebron are the only ones to take it farther then ECF and that was once a piece.

Finally, you mentioned all of those guys, which 2 had the worst careers? Vince and TMAC. Both guys who admitted that they never took proper care of their bodies or didn't try hard enough to take the next step as a player.
Iverson was a former MVP. The guy left it on the floor every night even if he was a disaster chemistry wise. I'd take his career over carter's any day. Allen, Pierce, Kobe's careers speak for themselves.
Um yeah, they could have had better careers I agree, but they're both HOF potential careers, that doesnt just happen. That's garbage they didn't take care of their bodies you cant have those type of physiques without taking care of your body. Carter was never out of shape in toronto, maybe a couple years in recent..
I hate people like you. Honestly, I do. I should give carter praise for winning is the biggest load of ******** ever. You know how we returned that favor? That was repaid with the millions of dollars we paid him to play basketball. Don't talk like TOronto owes Vince Carter something. We gave him the opportunity to become a star and to his credit he seized it. However, after reaching the stage, he never persevered to become a complete player and thats something that will blemish his career forever.
I honestly don't know what the hell you're *****ing about sorry. So most you guys are also delusional as well? This is so dramatic and emo I can't argue with it anymore. You sound like one of my ex girlfriends. It's like no I just got a new job and wanted something else to her it was "I helped you grow as a person, you lost control of who you truly are, you dont believe in love". Same crap you guys say with Vince.
Vince carter is the best dunker in NBA history but he also remains one of the biggest examples of unfulfilled potential in nba history.
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Yup so he never became the next MJ, like he was apparently expected to do so. So instead he became one of the most entertaining players and n all time best scorer. It is what is is. I wont lie I was hoping for a LITTLE more, like a step further then what we got, but he still had a good career

ThuglifeJ
01-14-2013, 06:49 PM
You know, I wanna just end this. Vince was an outstanding player at the start of his tenure with the raptors. He drove the ball to the hoop and mixed it in with his jumper exceptionally well. He made game winners, best dunker ever and looked to be a possible face of the nba. Then after the miss against the sixers, he got injured frequently and the team started losing. His frustration and possibly poor decisions from management created more frustrations for both him and the fan base. His play was probably hurt by that but his interaction with the media and his actions on the court were not professional and undoubtedly what we got back for him contributed to our dislike of him.

Fair enough. well said

Miltstar
01-14-2013, 07:01 PM
All I know is that T-Mac + VC + Bosh would have been a dynasty. Its a damn shame Carter and McGrady were raised as Divas

diu9leilomo
01-14-2013, 07:01 PM
This is such a dumb ****ing statement believe me I've been over Vince for a long time, just cause I say the city of Toronto would of survived without Vince doesn't mean I'm still butt hurt idiot. I think it's pretty common knowledge Vince put the Raps on the map like MJ did with the bulls or like many other superstars in there time did but that doesn't mean without them the franchise would fail.

Sounds like you got mad. The Raptors were a mediocre team at best since VC left. We never make it to the 2nd round and we struggled each year to fight for a playoff spot. I don't see how much success we're in. However, I am not saying VC is the savior nor a player that would bring us championships. My point is Toronto basketball would never been as glory if we didn't have carter. Imagine if the Grizz had VC instead of us, the raptors might be in Memphis by now. Also, the Raptors still survive today is mainly due to supports from immigrants. Look at the stands, over half are not Canadians. And of course, we are the one and only Canadian team. Who else you're gonna root for?

NYMetropolitans
01-14-2013, 07:13 PM
Man I wish this topic would just roll over and die already. VC is one the greatest not to be great.

Miltstar
01-14-2013, 07:17 PM
Honestly VC and T-Mac alone could have been up there with Jordan/Pippen, Kobe/Shaq, Lebron/Wade. But they weren't mature enough to handle it. They will have to live out their days wondering what could have been much the same way we as fans have to. I'm sure deep down inside both of them they know they missed their opportunity for true greatness. The only reason we as Raptor fans still talk about them is because we've failed to have a great player since.

ThuglifeJ
01-14-2013, 07:18 PM
All I know is that T-Mac + VC + Bosh would have been a dynasty. Its a damn shame Carter and McGrady were raised as Divas

Even tho Bosh wouldnt be there, I agree. They were raised as good smart, friendly dudes, but had inner divas.
I honestly blame Carter's mom for him. She got furious at Vince after the game he dunked on Weiss
like wtf.

ThuglifeJ
01-14-2013, 07:23 PM
Honestly VC and T-Mac alone could have been up there with Jordan/Pippen, Kobe/Shaq, Lebron/Wade. But they weren't mature enough to handle it. They will have to live out their days wondering what could have been much the same way we as fans have to. I'm sure deep down inside both of them they know they missed their opportunity for true greatness. The only reason we as Raptor fans still talk about them is because we've failed to have a great player since.

Pretty much. Wade/Lebron arent much more mature then Tmac/Carter were..but with their roster you really cant lose.
Tmac/Carter didnt really mature mentally into real adulthood till their 30s.. which seems to be the case for spoiled athletes a lot. (if you had that much money playing a sport would you be in a hurry to grow up where the funs over..?)

I think they know, I saw an interview where Tmac/Carter and Oakley talked about the raptor days recently, and you could kinda tell. Tmac was pretty stubborn on it just saying, yea you never know what coulda been. Oakley Carter said they missed a great oppurtunity.

Bob_at_york
01-14-2013, 07:25 PM
This story was posted two months ago. No point in bringing it up again when it was old news two months ago too.