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phlp_bj
01-08-2013, 01:03 PM
Y! Sources: Memphis, Phoenix engaged in trade discussions on Rudy Gay.

https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA


The Memphis Grizzlies and Phoenix Suns are engaged in trade talks centered on forward Rudy Gay, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Grizzlies have been shopping Gay to multiple teams, and found an interested trade partner with the Suns, sources said.

There's no framework of a possible deal in place, but the Grizzlies have expressed a strong desire that any package involving Gay include Suns forward Jared Dudley and future first-round draft picks, sources said.

In an effort to avoid paying luxury tax in the short term, as well as get off the $17.8 million and $19.3 million owed Gay in the 2013-14 and 2014-15 seasons, new Memphis management has aggressively shopped Gay. The Grizzlies have made proposals on Gay to several teams, front-office sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Gay will make $16.4 million this year.

The Suns have been mindful of their financial state under Phoenix owner Robert Sarver, and there are still doubts within the organization they will ultimately be able to absorb the remainder of Gay's contract.

The Suns own the Los Angeles Lakers' first round picks in 2013 and 2015.

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dhopisthename
01-08-2013, 01:04 PM
I wonder what phoenix would give up

SteBO
01-08-2013, 01:06 PM
Interesting.....Would love to see what Phoenix would be giving up.

xxplayerxx23
01-08-2013, 01:07 PM
Yeah what does Phoenix have? Lol grizz are in compete mode don't see anything on the suns

KnickaBocka.44
01-08-2013, 01:07 PM
They don't seem to match up well for a trade. Gortat is the Suns highest paid and most valuable piece but with Z-Bo and Gasol there isnt really a need for him.

As much as I'd hate to say it, Dudley would probably have to be involved. He is one of the most underrated role players in the league today.

phlp_bj
01-08-2013, 01:07 PM
original post updated

Chronz
01-08-2013, 01:10 PM
Jared Dudley for Gay here we come

bloomis1307
01-08-2013, 01:11 PM
3 way trade with Boston a possibility?

Only reason I say that is because the Celts are interested in Gortat and have a decent 3 in Jeff Green I think they would be willing to ship for the right deal to Memphis? throw some picks around and maybe something works out?

king4day
01-08-2013, 01:12 PM
Article says Dudley and future firsts potentially. If we're absorbing that fat contract, it better not be our own first. I don't want him. I want this team to rebuild. Front office is desperate not to get fired.

Stunner
01-08-2013, 01:12 PM
Perfect place for him to be the number 1 option like he has always wanted to be . I would assume Beasley and some other pieces will be going to the Grizz

king4day
01-08-2013, 01:14 PM
Perfect place for him to be the number 1 option like he has always wanted to be . I would assume Beasley and some other pieces will be going to the Grizz

Suns fans would love to dump Beasley in this type of move but he's not going to help any team in this league.

xxplayerxx23
01-08-2013, 01:17 PM
Dudley and 2013 first (lakers) for gay?

king4day
01-08-2013, 01:22 PM
Dudley and 2013 first (lakers) for gay?

I don't think that will be nearly enough, BUT, I think as a Suns fan, it'd be acceptable.
We'd rather rebuild but if the front office won't listen to us, then Gay isn't the worst piece to put you back into limbo.

Cano-Montero...
01-08-2013, 01:25 PM
I think lakers pick is lotto protected.

SteBO
01-08-2013, 01:25 PM
Beasley's gotta go in this deal if I'm Phoenix for sure....

xxplayerxx23
01-08-2013, 01:27 PM
I don't think that will be nearly enough, BUT, I think as a Suns fan, it'd be acceptable.
We'd rather rebuild but if the front office won't listen to us, then Gay isn't the worst piece to put you back into limbo.

Yeah they really should rebuild but gay is a solid player. Dudley is a nice player but gay is really solid. Who knows maybe you guys can get Into the playoff pitcure with Dragic-gay-gortat

KnickaBocka.44
01-08-2013, 01:27 PM
I don't think that will be nearly enough, BUT, I think as a Suns fan, it'd be acceptable.
We'd rather rebuild but if the front office won't listen to us, then Gay isn't the worst piece to put you back into limbo.

Because Gay's contract is so boated there will have to be more players and/or cash involved to make the numbers work.

king4day
01-08-2013, 01:28 PM
I think lakers pick is lotto protected.

If LA misses the playoffs this year, the Suns get their pick. If not, then we get Miami's. I also hear that if LAL gets a top 3 pick, then the Lakers get to keep it.

mdm692
01-08-2013, 01:29 PM
And I've been saying this since Nash got traded "Our FO is not interested in building through the draft". Robert Sarver is a businessman and all he cares about is making the playoffs and getting a slice of the pie.

Hellcrooner
01-08-2013, 01:29 PM
watch the lakers pick go to grizz and be lottery and complete the circle.

i find funny how the SUperluxury tax was created to Screw Big markets and instead what acomplish is a small market team that was contending ( memphis) to give up righ after amother ocntending small market ( okc) had to give up theri second best player too.

king4day
01-08-2013, 01:29 PM
Because Gay's contract is so boated there will have to be more players and/or cash involved to make the numbers work.

The Suns have enough cap space to absorb it actually. So If it were just Dudley and picks, that would actually work.

shep33
01-08-2013, 01:45 PM
Why Phoenix? Rebuild properly. Gay has a brutal contract

Bob_at_york
01-08-2013, 01:46 PM
i would think Marshall would need to be included too. Do the Suns have cap space or do they need to send another big contract over?

mdm692
01-08-2013, 01:47 PM
Why Phoenix? Rebuild properly. Gay has a brutal contract

This is hilarious coming from a Lakers fan.

kobe4thewinbang
01-08-2013, 01:52 PM
Why Phoenix? Rebuild properly. Gay has a brutal contractYeah, man. It'd be different if Gay's talents matched his contract. 6 mil to 8 mil, I'd say. But not 16.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b5pg998

shep33
01-08-2013, 01:52 PM
This is hilarious coming from a Lakers fan.

I understand that they're rivals, but that's just a silly, desperate move

xxplayerxx23
01-08-2013, 01:55 PM
Yeah, man. It'd be different if Gay's talents matched his contract. 6 mil to 8 mil, I'd say. But not 16.

I think 11-13 mill would be worth it for gay buy yeah 16 and continuing to go up is overpay

kobe4thewinbang
01-08-2013, 01:56 PM
This is hilarious coming from a Lakers fan.Huh? Don't get your logic.

BALLER R
01-08-2013, 01:57 PM
Dudley that's it?...Naw Raptors need to jump all over this.

kobe4thewinbang
01-08-2013, 01:58 PM
I think 11-13 mill would be worth it for gay buy yeah 16 and continuing to go up is overpay10 mil at most in my eyes. He's been looked at for years and just hasn't become a superstar.

kobe4thewinbang
01-08-2013, 01:58 PM
Dudley that's it?...Naw Raptors need to jump all over this.For who? Lowry? Heard he was on the block.

shep33
01-08-2013, 01:59 PM
16.5, 18, and 19.3 mill over the next 3 years for Rudy

kobe4thewinbang
01-08-2013, 02:00 PM
16.5, 18, and 19.3 mill over the next 3 years for RudyYeah, just gets worse and worse. Almost making Kobe money.

BALLER R
01-08-2013, 02:08 PM
For who? Lowry? Heard he was on the block.

If they want to shed money then Calderon is a start. Contract expires this year. That's 10.5 mill.

Eagles4Lyfe
01-08-2013, 02:09 PM
wow perfect addition for the Grizz. A really really nice fit

Dudley is the perfect glue type of guy for them, with range to help space the floor still.

xxplayerxx23
01-08-2013, 02:10 PM
Yeah, just gets worse and worse. Almost making Kobe money.

:eyebrow: 16 and 19.5 is close to 30 a year!?

GeekInThePink
01-08-2013, 02:10 PM
Yeah, just gets worse and worse. Almost making Kobe money.

Er.. not quite, unless you mean Rudy's three years combined are similar to Kobe's two years left.

2012-2013 Kobe Bryant: $27,849,149.
2013-2014 Kobe Bryant: $30, 453, 805.

I would love the Raptors to make a move at Gay, he would be a pretty big piece for them.

xxplayerxx23
01-08-2013, 02:13 PM
10 mil at most in my eyes. He's been looked at for years and just hasn't become a superstar.

Eh still can score and plays solid defense.. He is overpaid I agree but 10 might be a little low

shep33
01-08-2013, 02:13 PM
Yeah, Raps makes more sense. They need a SF

teddygreen17
01-08-2013, 02:14 PM
I dont get it..to me...he would be a perfect fit in Minny. Gay, Pek, and Love, with a solid bench..that would be scary. The suns do need star power but have little to offer.

sep11ie
01-08-2013, 02:15 PM
I don't think Grizz would want Beasley's contract. Are they not looking for a salary dump?

mdm692
01-08-2013, 02:16 PM
Huh? Don't get your logic.

Not a knock or a rivalry thing its just that the Lakers don't build through the draft. Or at least haven't in recent years.

JLynn943
01-08-2013, 02:16 PM
I thought they were in love with Eric Gordon and were going to go after him in the off-season? I don't know their cap situation, but it seems unlikely that they could afford both.

shep33
01-08-2013, 02:19 PM
I don't think Grizz would want Beasley's contract. Are they not looking for a salary dump?

Yeah, I can't see them taking Beasley back either. It's not terrible, but he's just having a brutal season and Dudley is the better, cheaper player.

king4day
01-08-2013, 02:19 PM
I thought they were in love with Eric Gordon and were going to go after him in the off-season? I don't know their cap situation, but it seems unlikely that they could afford both.

There's been no talk that the Suns have interested in trying to acquire him. We wouldn't even discuss a possible sign and trade with the Hornets last year from what I understand.
Suns wanted Gordon and missed out. Harden was next and he's off the table. So this seems like a realistic possibility.

DoMeFavors
01-08-2013, 02:19 PM
Jared Dudley and Morris for Rudy Gay should do it

IKAZ
01-08-2013, 02:20 PM
bring gay to the raptors. we need him bad..

raps would be run riot on teams if they have gay

FriedTofuz
01-08-2013, 02:24 PM
raptors can give jose calderon,he'd be a huge expiring and two early second round draft picks, and even include alan anderson,he averages 12 ppg,a terrific shooter and defender.

JLynn943
01-08-2013, 02:25 PM
There's been no talk that the Suns have interested in trying to acquire him. We wouldn't even discuss a possible sign and trade with the Hornets last year from what I understand.
Suns wanted Gordon and missed out. Harden was next and he's off the table. So this seems like a realistic possibility.

Thanks. I knew they wanted him in the past and I had read they were still interested, but that may have just been from a fan.

kobe4thewinbang
01-08-2013, 02:25 PM
raptors can give jose calderon,he'd be a huge expiring and two early second round draft picks, and even include alan anderson,he averages 12 ppg,a terrific shooter and defender.I thought they were favoring Calderon over Lowry?

FriedTofuz
01-08-2013, 02:26 PM
calderon is an 11 mil expiring, alan anderson makes 825k, perfect trade,add in kleiza as a filler. how good is gay's defense? the raptors would be taking some hugr salary though .. oh well

shep33
01-08-2013, 02:29 PM
The Grizzlies are going to shed salary but not gain flexibility. This isn't going to make it easier for them to upgrade. It JUST saves $$$



Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2HPUDlnfV

Bob_at_york
01-08-2013, 02:29 PM
bring gay to the raptors. we need him bad..

raps would be run riot on teams if they have gay
I am not sure about that.

I thought they were favoring Calderon over Lowry?
What does it matter who they favor? Jose is a free agent this summer and will most likely go elsewhere. If they trade Lowry then they are left with no point guard in the summer.

LA4life24/8
01-08-2013, 02:30 PM
no way can it be dudley and the lakers pick... if thats all it takes to get rudy gay, im sure there would be a lot more teams out there, because there are better role playing small forwards and teams with better picks

BaddNewz
01-08-2013, 02:32 PM
Dudley, fillers, 1st round picks. Hopefully not Beasley though. Would make more sense to bring in a third team though. Can't see a guy the Gay being trade for a role player.

BALLER R
01-08-2013, 02:33 PM
Plus Jose can play with Gasol. Jose's defense wouldn't be a problem on a team like the Grizzles. Makes sense to me. Raptors gain what they been missing for years and Grizzlies get the cap relief they want. Makes sense in my head. But then again I'm not a GM *Shrug shoulder*

Sly Guy
01-08-2013, 02:35 PM
don't see how gay helps them rebuild, so I'm not sure why the suns are interested?

kobe4thewinbang
01-08-2013, 02:36 PM
don't see how gay helps them rebuild, so I'm not sure why the suns are interested?They need an impact player.

SunsFanIam
01-08-2013, 02:37 PM
no way can it be dudley and the lakers pick... if thats all it takes to get rudy gay, im sure there would be a lot more teams out there, because there are better role playing small forwards and teams with better picks

Dudley is a better role player than most people think. I know it sounds like I am being a homer since I am a Suns fan, but JYD gaurds some of the leauges best players and still manages to average
Pts:11.7
Ast:2.5
Reb:3.3
Thats pretty good for just being a defensive role player. He also helps spread the floor with his 3pt % being .382.

Ty_Lawson
01-08-2013, 02:38 PM
Beasley's gotta go in this deal if I'm Phoenix for sure....

this
and maybe add denver into it so we can take Gortat for Koufos,fillers :)

RipCity32
01-08-2013, 02:38 PM
Pistons should go after him.We got Magettes 10 mil expiring contract and some young guys to throw at Memphis plus we need a go to scorer.

b@llhog24
01-08-2013, 02:40 PM
Great trade for Memphis and horrible trade for Phx. Although I'm somewhat of a Rudy fan, Phx just isn't the place for him.

nolafan33
01-08-2013, 02:44 PM
Rudy would probably be a 25 ppg scorer for PHX but it will take him 24 shots to get there.

TheNumber37
01-08-2013, 02:46 PM
Dudley + beasley and Picks for Gay? That seems like too much for what Gay brings and how much he's owed. 37 mil over the next two and giving away first round picks? They could get better players with that package.

shep33
01-08-2013, 03:03 PM
Yeah, I'm not understanding this for the Suns, especially if they're giving up those picks.

Stunner
01-08-2013, 03:09 PM
How about ? http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a37df4v

mdm692
01-08-2013, 03:12 PM
this
and maybe add denver into it so we can take Gortat for Koufos,fillers :)

Throw in Fournier and a protected pick :).

Ty_Lawson
01-08-2013, 03:16 PM
Throw in Fournier and a protected pick :).

Throw in Kief..

theducksmuggler
01-08-2013, 03:33 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=agpudba
Just something i threw together real quick seems pretty even for both sides in my opinion...

king4day
01-08-2013, 03:47 PM
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2013/1/8/3851202/wojnarowski-phoenix-suns-in-trade-talks-for-rudy-gay


What would go back to Memphis is unknown, but the Suns can absorb only $6.3 million (cap space + $100,000) of the $16.4 owed to Gay this season.

So they must send out more than $10 million in salary back to Memphis in any deal.

According to Woj, the Grizzlies are particularly interested in Jared Dudley ($4.25 million this year) and future picks.

There's no framework of a possible deal in place, but the Grizzlies have expressed a strong desire that any package involving Gay include Suns forward Jared Dudley and future first-round draft picks, sources said.

In an effort to avoid paying luxury tax in the short term, as well as get off the $17.8 million and $19.3 million owed Gay in the 2013-14 and 2014-15 seasons, new Memphis management has aggressively shopped Gay. The Grizzlies have made proposals on Gay to several teams, front-office sources told Yahoo! Sports.

But where would that other $6 million come from? The assumption on Memphis trading Gay is that they want to reduce their future salary obligations, what with huge contracts to three other players on the books: Randolph, Gasol, Conley.

The Suns have (basically) expiring contracts in Wesley Johnson ($4.2 million), Shannon Brown ($3.5 million), Sebastian Telfair ($1.75 million) and a host of <1 million extras on the bench: Tucker, Garrett, Zeller. But sending out those expirings would seriously dent the cap space this summer.

Or it's possible that they could parlay a low future draft pick into Memphis eating Michael Beasley's contract (and then releasing him, and stretching the remaining $9 million guaranteed to him over 5 seasons).

Additional info from same link


Update:

Rumor is quickly fizzling...


Chris Vernon ‏@ChrisVernonShow

Sources tell me that a Grizzlies/PHX deal for Rudy Gay is unlikely. Not enough assets, but PHX does love Rudy. chill.


Vernon is a Memphis guy, so I'm wondering what assets the Grizzlies think they "need" to get back for an over-paid SF?

And then there's this, for those who believe a certain local reporter has the ear of Suns ownership (though they didn't listen to him on Beasley)...


John Gambadoro ‏@Gambo620

Memo to the Phoenix Suns - dont panic! Just say no to Rudy Gay, not a winner, Wrong guy! There is a reason why Memphis is dying to trade him

mgsports
01-08-2013, 06:37 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine This gives rid of Randolph and Gay but only Warriors get better +2wins.

king4day
01-08-2013, 06:59 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine This gives rid of Randolph and Gay but only Warriors get better +2wins.

You need to save the trade and then copy and paste the link :)

douglas
01-08-2013, 07:08 PM
You need to save the trade and then copy and paste the link :)

I agree with king4day, because if you don't save the trade and then copy and paste the link, no one will see the trade that you created. You put in all that hard work constructing that trade only to have no one see it! No one wants that! ^_^

D-Leethal
01-08-2013, 07:18 PM
Rudy is a guy who needs to be running and slashing thru the lanes, not dumping it down low to two beasts in the paint. He would be much better in PHX than he is in MEM and might come close to earning that paycheck.

Baller1
01-08-2013, 07:19 PM
Dudley would fit in nicely with Memphis, in my opinion. I like the framework of the trade for both teams.

Chronz
01-08-2013, 08:49 PM
Perfect place for him to be the number 1 option like he has always wanted to be . I would assume Beasley and some other pieces will be going to the Grizz

I dont think Gay is seen as such a bad asset that Memphis would have to take Beasley.

nycericanguy
01-08-2013, 08:53 PM
I dont think Gay is seen as such a bad asset that Memphis would have to take Beasley.

When you consider that he'll be making around $18m over the next 3 years, for his level of production, that's a pretty bad contract. He's getting superstar money and he's not even an all star, let alone a superstar.

Guys like Gallo & Batum are younger, more efficient and make much less.

No way I give up any picks if I'm PHO unless MEM takes Beasely. Maybe MEM can ask PHO to take Bayless in return.

Dudley, Beasely and a 1st

for

Gay & Bayless.

MEM saves a TON of money there.

on a sidenote, its crazy to think how far Beasely has fallen, kid might find himself out of the league after this contract

Aleksandar
01-08-2013, 08:55 PM
Lakers pick is suddenly becoming valuable haha

Chronz
01-08-2013, 08:56 PM
When you consider that he'll be making around $18m over the next 3 years, for his level of production, that's a pretty bad contract. He's getting superstar money and he's not even an all star, let alone a superstar.

Guys like Gallo & Batum are younger, more efficient and make much less.
Yea but then you look at Beasley's production to cost ratio and he makes Gay look like a bargain.

nycericanguy
01-08-2013, 09:53 PM
Yea but then you look at Beasley's production to cost ratio and he makes Gay look like a bargain.

isn't beasely only guaranteed for 2 years 12m total though?

they pay Beasely and Dudley $10m

alot better than paying Gay & Bayless $20m.

Duncan = Donkey
01-08-2013, 09:58 PM
dont want gay at all, hope nothing comes of this

STL Don
01-08-2013, 10:33 PM
This is hilarious coming from a Lakers fan.

What does a [Lakers] "fan" have to do with the way the front office and ownership handle the team?

STL Don
01-08-2013, 10:44 PM
I agree with most saying the Suns should pass on Gay.
He's got a heavy contract and Phoenix currently doesn't have anyone that is capable of leading them deep into the playoffs, along his side.
They're better off playing this season out, keeping all of their picks.
Jared Dudley is cheaper and could be a better fit down the road, continuing as a solid role player for them.

They have some pieces. Goran Dragic is very solid. Scola, Gortat, solid. Shannen Brown, Markief Morris and Jared Dudley are consistent role players. I just don't think Rudy Gay, alone, would be enough to put them over.
Use your 1st rounders, get rid of Beasley and Telfair, maybe make a trade or use the money on a free agent or two. I think that'd be a better direction for them.

Bishnoff
01-08-2013, 10:56 PM
I agree with most saying the Suns should pass on Gay.
He's got a heavy contract and Phoenix currently doesn't have anyone that is capable of leading them deep into the playoffs, along his side.
They're better off playing this season out, keeping all of their picks.
Jared Dudley is cheaper and could be a better fit down the road, continuing as a solid role player for them.

They have some pieces. Goran Dragic is very solid. Scola, Gortat, solid. Shannen Brown, Markief Morris and Jared Dudley are consistent role players. I just don't think Rudy Gay, alone, would be enough to put them over.
Use your 1st rounders, get rid of Beasley and Telfair, maybe make a trade or use the money on a free agent or two. I think that'd be a better direction for them.

Good post.

MrfadeawayJB
01-09-2013, 01:36 AM
I'd prefer a rudy trade involving a team other than the suns. Raptors come to mind as well as the warriors and sixers

Duncan = Donkey
01-09-2013, 01:41 AM
I'd prefer a rudy trade involving a team other than the suns. Raptors come to mind as well as the warriors and sixers

Every phoenix fan agrees with you.

c.c.
01-09-2013, 01:53 AM
That would be great for the Suns

Duncan = Donkey
01-09-2013, 02:24 AM
No it would be horrible ^^

Chronz
01-09-2013, 03:05 AM
isn't beasely only guaranteed for 2 years 12m total though?

they pay Beasely and Dudley $10m

alot better than paying Gay & Bayless $20m.

So its an expiring contract next year? I suppose thats not as bad as I thought. I thought it was a 3 year deal or something but Ill get back to you on that one.