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spreadeagle
12-26-2012, 08:31 PM
Chad Ford said this guy would maybe be out of the league within a few years and got laughed at pre-draft...he may be right

Via espn
Rivers has struggled with the transition to the NBA, in several ways -- that includes making only 34.6 percent of his shot attempts inside the 3-point line.

In fact, Rivers is on track to make dubious history during his rookie campaign. Two months into the season, Rivers projects to rate nearly seven wins worse than a replacement-level player by my player metric, which would be the worst WARP score in the 34 seasons on record, starting with 1979-80, the first NBA season with the 3-point line.

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Of course, to build a historically negative WARP rating, a player has to be on the court in the first place. Most of the leaderboard is made up of defensive specialists whose value is not reflected by their individual statistics. Collins, for example, is one of the players most underrated by advanced box score stats.

Beyond that, the list is filled out by players who were overexposed on terrible teams and rookies whose potential demanded playing time that their performance did not yet justify. Rivers qualifies on both counts. With Eric Gordon out of the lineup, the 5-22 Hornets have few good alternatives in the backcourt despite Roberts' surprising performance. Backup wing Xavier Henry has been nearly as ineffective. The situation will change when Gordon returns to action after being cleared to practice over the weekend.


Furthermore, the troubling aspect of Rivers' play this season is that it can't really be called a fluke. In fact, his per-minute win percentage (.271) is nearly exactly what his translated college stat line indicated (.274). Frankly, there is no track record of Rivers playing an efficient brand of basketball against high-level competition. He was one of the least valuable NBA players during the preseason, and even shot just 4-of-19 from the field in two summer-league games before suffering an ankle injury.

Supporters will point to Rivers' shot selection as the culprit for his poor percentages, but Hoopdata.com shows that the larger issue has been his inability to finish at the rim, where Rivers is making just 42.9 percent of his attempts (the league average is 63.9 percent).

phen0m
12-26-2012, 08:34 PM
his swagger is more important than stats

Hawkeye15
12-26-2012, 08:36 PM
he has been really, really bad. the only time I saw him play well all year was against my puppies, naturally...

Minimal
12-26-2012, 08:40 PM
He sucks, I hoped he is gonna become big in the nba, but he is not. Hell what can you expect from a player who can't play with left hand at all. He better start analysts career after he is done with NBA, he is good at that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipqVBKWOJ34

netsgiantsyanks
12-26-2012, 08:44 PM
he only got attention because of his father.

Fresno
12-26-2012, 08:48 PM
Boston will trade for him.

CB29
12-26-2012, 08:55 PM
I like how he's really sick on 2k though... Dude's rated in the 70's i think and he's one of the most popular players on myteam.

Minimal
12-26-2012, 09:05 PM
I like how he's really sick on 2k though... Dude's rated in the 70's i think and he's one of the most popular players on myteam.
Well he was a top10 draft pick this year, I bet Kwame Brown had 80 in NBA Live 2002

bucketss
12-26-2012, 09:12 PM
i remember a guy in the raptors forum was pissed the hell off we picked Terrance ross over him lol.

CB29
12-26-2012, 09:16 PM
Well he was a top10 draft pick this year, I bet Kwame Brown had 80 in NBA Live 2002

I would really hope not.

Denver-boy
12-26-2012, 09:33 PM
didnt he score 27 points the other day, he's had a bad season, but he's a rookie and plays for the hornets lol give him a break damn

jammastershake
12-26-2012, 09:35 PM
WARP?? lol nerd terms.

Gators123
12-26-2012, 09:40 PM
Only reason he was drafted in the lottery is because hes Doc Rivers son.

bucketss
12-26-2012, 09:45 PM
I like how he's really sick on 2k though... Dude's rated in the 70's i think and he's one of the most popular players on myteam.

lol i love him on 2k

BKLYNpigeon
12-26-2012, 09:58 PM
Austin Rivers should have stayed in college... He's not a PG and undersized as a SG. this season he's shooting 35% and not quick enough to beat players off the dribble.

he's all bark and no bite.

Vincent33
12-26-2012, 09:59 PM
He'd be riding pine on Doc's Celtics or on their D-League team.

IndyRealist
12-26-2012, 10:14 PM
I could have told people he was going to be a bad NBA player. Because he was a bad college player. He was rated highly for all the things that don't win you ball games: pedigree, looking like a basketball player (i.e. the eye test), scoring mentality, etc.

What people didn't look at was that he's unathletic, can't shoot, doesn't care to play defense, has a selfish attitude, and feels entitled to be in the NBA instead of working for it. He's aggressive? That's what people defend him with? He's trying to get his own at the expense of the team.

DeyAce
12-26-2012, 10:17 PM
10th overall was a bit too high. Hornets would have been sick right now if Lillard fell to them.

Alayla
12-26-2012, 10:21 PM
The good thing is He isnt going to get any wrose from here hes a rookie and will have time to grow if he still looks like this in 2 years we can revist this.

b@llhog24
12-26-2012, 10:26 PM
Stats don't tell the whole story. Have you seen this kids crossover?

b@llhog24
12-26-2012, 10:26 PM
WARP?? lol nerd terms.

This.

Alayla
12-26-2012, 10:28 PM
Stats don't tell the whole story. Have you seen this kids crossover?

Ask hot sauce how much this matters in the nba.

spreadeagle
12-26-2012, 10:31 PM
WARP?? lol nerd terms.

haha ya agreed and I posted it lol

Raps18-19 Champ
12-26-2012, 10:32 PM
He was a solid high school and college player. But he's the type of player that can't last in the NBA.

b@llhog24
12-26-2012, 10:37 PM
Ask hot sauce how much this matters in the nba.

It's just his crossover, he's Doc Rivers son and that breeds a winning mentality. AD is holding him back to be honest.

Alayla
12-26-2012, 10:57 PM
It's just his crossover, he's Doc Rivers son and that breeds a winning mentality. AD is holding him back to be honest.

Once again ask hot sauce how much this matters in the NBA.

as for AD holding him back this is just silly if anything AD should make him better.

nirvana235
12-26-2012, 10:58 PM
It's just his crossover, he's Doc Rivers son and that breeds a winning mentality. AD is holding him back to be honest.

Yep, Doc Rivers' sperm sure has the winning mentality.

GiantsSwaGG
12-26-2012, 11:00 PM
He was never good

Phenomenonsense
12-26-2012, 11:01 PM
Well he was a top10 draft pick this year, I bet Kwame Brown had 80 in NBA Live 2002

Andre Drummond was rated 59 for over a month (even after playing well off the bench) and is only 66 now. Meyers Leonard was 59 and still is, even though he was picked 11. Do you get 11+ overall points for being picked one pick ahead?

JasonJohnHorn
12-26-2012, 11:16 PM
Skip said this guy should have been drafted number two.


lol

b@llhog24
12-26-2012, 11:58 PM
Once again ask hot sauce how much this matters in the NBA.

as for AD holding him back this is just silly if anything AD should make him better.

My bad. *Not


Yep, Doc Rivers' sperm sure has the winning mentality.

So you see it too?

nolafan33
12-27-2012, 01:38 AM
He will be alright. He can get to the rim at will, lack of strength and midrange game are his downfalls.

c.c.
12-27-2012, 02:10 AM
I like how he's really sick on 2k though... Dude's rated in the 70's i think and he's one of the most popular players on myteam.

He was on my association team, he went up to like an 86 or something. 6th Man of the Year like 3 yrs. in a row before becoming an starter

c.c.
12-27-2012, 02:21 AM
Skip said this guy should have been drafted number two.


lol

Skip forgot to mention 2nd round though

Westbrook36
12-27-2012, 02:29 AM
He should have stayed in college to work on his game and polish himself, but he decided for whatever season to take the leap.

I Rock Shaqs
12-27-2012, 02:45 AM
He should have stayed in college to work on his game and polish himself, but he decided for whatever season to take the leap.

HE probably doesn't think long-term. ie. If he gets drafted he doesn't have any more chances of being exposed in College Bball before getting drafted. SO he would get less money and less oppurtunity to shine on a better team.

GunFactor187
12-27-2012, 06:19 AM
I think he's done after his rookie contract.

sunsfan88
12-27-2012, 07:04 AM
didnt he score 27 points the other day, he's had a bad season, but he's a rookie and plays for the hornets lol give him a break damn

Anthony Davis is a rookie and plays for the Hornets and that dude isn't asking for any breaks....

YoungOne
12-27-2012, 07:37 AM
2 month into his first season. Thats all I need to say.

NYKNYGNYY
12-27-2012, 08:15 AM
don't get me wrong hes bad, but hes raw give him time
imo the only reason he got drafted so high was cus of doc

Guppyfighter
12-27-2012, 08:16 AM
don't get me wrong hes bad, but hes raw give him time
imo the only reason he got drafted so high was cus of doc

Yes, a team scouting him decided they wanted him because his dad coaches.

"This game footage looks terrible, but damn, that last name."

I don't think the Hornets are that dumb.

sammyvine
12-27-2012, 09:48 AM
don't get me wrong hes bad, but hes raw give him time
imo the only reason he got drafted so high was cus of doc

which i find bizarre

just because your dad is a good coach doesn't mean you will be a good player no mater how much you are related.

if anything i will be more cautious about drafting a coaches son so high.

Jarvo
12-27-2012, 10:15 AM
Like I said when he cameout to go to The NBa he should've stayed an extra one or two years, Playing under Coach K for three years would had helped him out alot.

rhymeratic
12-27-2012, 10:29 AM
This is what will happen to Stephen Curry in Duke. Rather than be vague, let me call it like I see it...

Austin Rivers LOOKS like his game is extremely unpolished and doesn't appear to have the athletic ability to make up for the deficiencies within his game. I wouldn't even call him Wes Johnson 2.0 because that would give him too much credit. Somehow, someway Austin is gonna have to up his Basketball IQ and carve out a specific role as a specialist of sorts... He's definitely not a franchise player. Looks like his ceiling will be solid role player at best.

What makes his situation so bad is that there's not one thing he is doing that you can say "THERE is his calling card"

Even JR Smith as a rookie etc we all knew dude could shoot. He was just immature. I can't tell you one good thing Austin Rivers does on the court to justify his existence in the NBA. Same goes for Moe Harkless in Orlando.

2-ONE-5
12-27-2012, 10:31 AM
Only reason he was drafted in the lottery is because hes Doc Rivers son.

or bcuz he was one of the top players coming out of HS...

and if that was the case Docs other son would be in the NBA not the d-league...

Alayla
12-27-2012, 11:26 AM
My bad. *Not



So you see it too?

Tell my how you think davis is in his way.

Sly Guy
12-27-2012, 11:54 AM
i remember a guy in the raptors forum was pissed the hell off we picked Terrance ross over him lol.

lol, who? I'd wanna make note and mock them

Sly Guy
12-27-2012, 11:58 AM
HE probably doesn't think long-term. ie. If he gets drafted he doesn't have any more chances of being exposed in College Bball before getting drafted. SO he would get less money and less oppurtunity to shine on a better team.

still shoulda stayed. Coach K can turn the reasonable unathletic to fundamentally solid rotation players, and that's where he'll be ni the best case.

Capital G
12-27-2012, 12:46 PM
he is transitioning from a SG to a PG. ill give him a few years before calling him a bust.

b@llhog24
12-27-2012, 02:57 PM
Tell my how you think davis is in his way.

He's hogging all the shots manye.

kingjaymes23
12-27-2012, 03:28 PM
he only got attention because of his father.

BINGO....I said before the draft that he would be a terrible pro, and I pointed to the fact that he had an attitude problem and did not like to pass the ball (not to mention he is a tweener). Many people told me how wrong I was and said my statements were ridiculous.

This guy, before the draft process, came out and said "there are only 5 teams I will workout for" as if he was planning on committing to one of those teams like he did in college. I said that showed his character right there, but was shot down then. I also pointed that MANY players from Duke last season have now said the team this year is a lot less selfish and they are a lot closer, and the only two guys gone are Rivers and Plum 1. Wonder who they were speaking of now? Clearly it was Rivers.

The kid is a locker room cancer, and what will hurt him the most is he can't even back this up with his play. His best shot is to go to Boston and have his Daddy taking care of him, but even then he will ruin that team's chemistry as well.

He was pretty good at Duke, don't get me wrong on that. But it was clear last season that he was a selfish ball hog that did not have many moves besides the running start dribble past the defender where he traveled nearly every time

Alayla
12-27-2012, 03:30 PM
He's hogging all the shots manye.

That maybe should hurt PPG not so much FG% lol

b@llhog24
12-27-2012, 10:03 PM
That maybe should hurt PPG not so much FG% lol

He's a rhythm player.

JeffG20
12-27-2012, 10:08 PM
i dont get this locker room cancer rep... granted i had not followed him in college but every interview from him and teammates and coaches thus far had praised him for is humility and work ethic.

he'll be fine in a year or 2. not 10th overall worthey though

nolafan33
12-27-2012, 11:04 PM
BINGO....I said before the draft that he would be a terrible pro, and I pointed to the fact that he had an attitude problem and did not like to pass the ball (not to mention he is a tweener). Many people told me how wrong I was and said my statements were ridiculous.

This guy, before the draft process, came out and said "there are only 5 teams I will workout for" as if he was planning on committing to one of those teams like he did in college. I said that showed his character right there, but was shot down then. I also pointed that MANY players from Duke last season have now said the team this year is a lot less selfish and they are a lot closer, and the only two guys gone are Rivers and Plum 1. Wonder who they were speaking of now? Clearly it was Rivers.

The kid is a locker room cancer, and what will hurt him the most is he can't even back this up with his play. His best shot is to go to Boston and have his Daddy taking care of him, but even then he will ruin that team's chemistry as well.

He was pretty good at Duke, don't get me wrong on that. But it was clear last season that he was a selfish ball hog that did not have many moves besides the running start dribble past the defender where he traveled nearly every time

You wrote all that and it doesn't have a single truth in it.

TmacBryant
12-27-2012, 11:49 PM
Well he was a top10 draft pick this year, I bet Kwame Brown had 80 in NBA Live 2002

Kwame Brown's ratings for nba live

2003 56
2004 64
2005 65
2006 74
2007 75

I am guessing he did almost have an 80 in 2002 because that was the peak of his career. H was averaging 10 pts a game in 2002 and only 8 in 2007.

sammyvine
12-28-2012, 11:18 AM
You wrote all that and it doesn't have a single truth in it.

this looool

pd1dish
12-28-2012, 11:37 AM
Rivers is like 10 years old. i dont even like the kid and i think we have to give him a lot more time. the fact is that he shouldnt have left college, but when you know how much money you could be making by leaving, how can you blame him?

bootleg42
12-28-2012, 12:50 PM
This is a blessing in disguise for the Hornets. They have a terrible record, and can get a high draft pick next year. Anthony Davis is the real deal, so the Hornets can get another big young piece to play along side Davis for the next 10+ years.

As for Rivers.........well he's terrible. He'll be gone soon and doing color commentary in no time.

Knick bag
12-28-2012, 01:02 PM
Austin Rivers should have stayed in college... He's not a PG and undersized as a SG. this season he's shooting 35% and not quick enough to beat players off the dribble.

he's all bark and no bite.
Doc told him not to come out.

I live in Chapel Hill and have meet the dude more than a few times. Arrogant jerk even more so than most Duke players. His sister gets more respect here

BKLYNpigeon
12-28-2012, 01:33 PM
Who cares about Austin Rivers... he's a scrub and not worth debating.

The only reason why were even talking about him is that he's Doc Rivers's son...

kingjaymes23
12-28-2012, 01:49 PM
You wrote all that and it doesn't have a single truth in it.

Really? Because Mason Plumlee and Steph Curry both have stated that team chemistry is a lot better this season at Duke and they are playing much less selfish. Guess even tho that came out of their mouths, it is not true at all.

b_russ
12-28-2012, 01:53 PM
Doc told him not to come out.

I live in Chapel Hill and have meet the dude more than a few times. Arrogant jerk even more so than most Duke players. His sister gets more respect here

That doesn't surprise me in the least.

Baller1
12-28-2012, 01:57 PM
I called this as well. He's not good, and he's never done anything to indicate otherwise.

nolafan33
12-28-2012, 02:23 PM
Really? Because Mason Plumlee and Steph Curry both have stated that team chemistry is a lot better this season at Duke and they are playing much less selfish. Guess even tho that came out of their mouths, it is not true at all.

I'm talking about the Hornets, in which case yes, everything you said isn't true.

b_russ
12-28-2012, 02:23 PM
He might not be that bad of a player if he didn't think he was Kobe Bryant out there.

Stinkyoutsider
12-28-2012, 02:23 PM
I thought Rivers would have an ok rookie season but he has time to turn things around.

Isn't the strong point of his game right now his ability to beat guys off the dribble and finish at the rim? If he's having trouble finishing at the basket, he's going to be in for a long rookie year...

With the Hornets struggling, I guess management thinks they should just let him play and try to get better. He really needs to go down to the D-league and develop more of his game. If he's not able to get past defenders in the NBA, then he needs to take his time and develop a reliable jumpshot and ball handling skills in the D-league so he can come back a better player...

John Walls Era
12-28-2012, 02:30 PM
He shot terrible percentages in college. If it wasn't for his pedigree, he would go late first.

kingjaymes23
12-28-2012, 03:11 PM
I'm talking about the Hornets, in which case yes, everything you said isn't true.

I never once mentioned NO Hornets in my post. What are you even talking about? :confused:

nolafan33
12-28-2012, 09:25 PM
I never once mentioned NO Hornets in my post. What are you even talking about? :confused:

You never once mentioned Austin Rivers and the type of player he is for the Hornets?

Come on...

NoSleepTill
12-29-2012, 07:03 PM
His immaturity and his arrogant that made him think that he's ready for the big show. How wrong he is. I just couldn't believe Duke recruited him based on talent and character , maybe Doc vouched for him.

Tony_Starks
12-29-2012, 07:16 PM
I think this is one where stats aren't necessarily giving you the whole picture. His game is still raw but just watching him and his skill set I think he's going to be very good.

He's just going to have to humble himself and refine his game.

(easier said than done I know )

kingjaymes23
12-29-2012, 07:30 PM
You never once mentioned Austin Rivers and the type of player he is for the Hornets?

Come on...

I went back and read the post you were referring to, thinking maybe I was wrong and forgot something I said. However, all I talked about was his character coming into the draft process and that many Duke players have hinted at him being selfish and a locker room cancer. Not sure how what I said relates to him as a Hornet, but whatever man, keep putting words in my mouth

nolafan33
12-29-2012, 08:03 PM
So when you say he has a attitude problem, is a locker room cancer, and doesn't like to pass the ball you're only talking about Rivers at Duke and not with the Hornets?

lol, if you say so...

Anyways though, let me say this.

Does he have an attitude problem? No.

Is he a locker room cancer? Hell no.

Has he ruined the teams chemistry? No.

Does he like to not pass the ball? Again, no, every Hornets fan (and yes I mean every) would tell you the same thing, he needs to be more aggressive in looking for his own shots. You went out of your way to call him a ball hog in your post and he's far from that.

Maybe you were right that he won't be a good player in the league, it's too early to tell, but your reasoning for saying that could not be any further from the truth.

Everymanalion
12-29-2012, 08:08 PM
His ego ::facepalm::

calibird707
12-29-2012, 08:24 PM
Way too early to judge a rookie....some of yall act like you are NBA scouts or front office execs

Tony_Starks
12-29-2012, 09:10 PM
Way too early to judge a rookie....some of yall act like you are NBA scouts or front office execs



You're forgetting this is psd man. We don't need nba experience we have advanced stats and league pass!

CityofChaos
12-30-2012, 05:19 AM
He is THAT bad and was overhyped from the get go. He a terrible shooter and subpar playmaker that dribbles...and dribbles....and dribbles...

Its a damn shame the the Hornets got rid of Jarret Jack who is having a phenomenal season with GSW just to make room for Rivers.

Mr_Amaziing
12-30-2012, 04:20 PM
He's still young, he'll bounce back

I am Smart
12-30-2012, 04:40 PM
You're forgetting this is psd man. We don't need nba experience we have advanced stats and league pass!

I lol'd

gaughan333
12-30-2012, 04:54 PM
He's still young, he'll bounce back

This is the worst response to things like this. What about all of the young guys that never "bounced back" (don't know what exactly he is bouncing back from)? He very well may improve, but just writing it off as him being young is stupid. He has a lot of flaws in his game and was over hyped in the first place.

Duncan = Donkey
01-08-2013, 04:03 AM
he is horrible, one of the worse players in the league.

ThaDubs
01-08-2013, 04:13 AM
Hopefully he'll bounce back. I really doubt it though.

JeffG20
01-08-2013, 06:42 AM
This is the worst response to things like this. What about all of the young guys that never "bounced back" (don't know what exactly he is bouncing back from)? He very well may improve, but just writing it off as him being young is stupid. He has a lot of flaws in his game and was over hyped in the first place.

its not as stupid as thinking at age 20, he has no room for improvement. you'd swear by most of these comments he was in the 5th year. is he playing horrible, yes. does it mean the team should give up on him 2 months into his NBA Career, Hardly.

sammyvine
01-08-2013, 07:02 AM
he is horrible, one of the worse players in the league.

where did it go wrong?

he looked decent at duke. being drafted number 10 is looking way too high at this moment in time. i think Jeremy lamb would have been better for the hornets/

DaoudS
01-08-2013, 07:56 AM
his swagger is more important than stats

legit lol'd

nolafan33
01-08-2013, 11:50 AM
where did it go wrong?

he looked decent at duke. being drafted number 10 is looking way too high at this moment in time. i think Jeremy lamb would have been better for the hornets/

Not really, the majority of this draft outside the top 4 or 5 have been garbage.

Thing is still, the Hornets drafted Rivers to be a PG and with Gordon's injuries he still has not gotten a lot of time at PG. He's looked better there than at the two.