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Rocco007
12-23-2012, 08:25 PM
2 bad contracts..2 underachieving players having issues fitting in...This deal makes sense for both teams...Thoughts?

Robbw241
12-23-2012, 08:27 PM
Knicks don't have a PF but plenty of SG's. Nets don't have a SG but have plenty of PF's. How is this a fit at all.

GiantsSwaGG
12-23-2012, 08:29 PM
No Joe has 1 more year and he suck balls

JordansBulls
12-23-2012, 08:31 PM
No way. Maybe the Bulls would do a Boozer for Joe Johnson swap though.

LongIslandIcedZ
12-23-2012, 08:33 PM
I dont want Joe Johnson and the Nets dont want Amar'e

netsgiantsyanks
12-23-2012, 08:33 PM
:laugh:

seikou8
12-23-2012, 08:33 PM
no

strahan92osi72
12-23-2012, 08:34 PM
LOL Joe Johnson may be the one player in the league I wouldn't get rid of Amare's contrct for.

Rocco007
12-23-2012, 08:35 PM
Knicks don't have a PF but plenty of SG's. Nets don't have a SG but have plenty of PF's. How is this a fit at all.

Both have players in those positions but they aren't all star talents...Is Joe Johnson an upgrade over Ronnie Brewer? Is Amar'e an upgrade over Kris Humphries?..I would say Yes to both questions...

strahan92osi72
12-23-2012, 08:36 PM
Both have players in those positions but they aren't all star talents...Is Joe Johnson an upgrade over Ronnie Brewer? Is Amar'e an upgrade over Kris Humphries?..I would say Yes to both questions...

But Joe Johnson is a downgrade from Amare, and those are the two players in the deal. If my team is stuck with a bad contract, give me Amare any day of the week over Johnson. Besides, when Amare comes back Brewer will never see the floor.

Nyc4You
12-23-2012, 08:37 PM
over my dead body

justinnum1
12-23-2012, 08:38 PM
joe dosn't hurt his own team like amare does.

Rocco007
12-23-2012, 08:39 PM
No Joe has 1 more year and he suck balls

An expiring contract always has tremendous value in the NBA...Especially one of that size...So that shouldn't be a deal breaker...

allSUAVE
12-23-2012, 08:39 PM
Hell no..

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 08:41 PM
Why would Nets trade Joe for AMare? Joe is much better this season than Amare was last year.

Jint.
12-23-2012, 08:41 PM
Ehhh... No

oak2455
12-23-2012, 08:43 PM
No Joe has 1 more year and he suck balls

elephant balls:D we don't need Joe we need a banger

Rocco007
12-23-2012, 08:46 PM
Why would Nets trade Joe for AMare? Joe is much better this season than Amare was last year.

Are you sure about that?
Amar'e averaged 18pts and 8 rebs 1 blk 48% last season...Joe Johnson 17 pts 2 assts 42% from the field..

Nyc4You
12-23-2012, 08:46 PM
elephant balls:D we don't need Joe we need a banger

:eyebrow:

seikou8
12-23-2012, 08:49 PM
no copeland for reggie evans

JEDean89
12-23-2012, 08:53 PM
shall we not listen to anything domefavors says as to not feed the troll?

a healthy amare who can give the knicks 22ppg and 8 rebounds + a block or two is exactly what the knicks need. melo can play the 4 when amare isn't and amare can also play the 5 when chandler isn't. there are plenty of times in the game when amare's scoring is needed, especially when melo is out.

now you said that the extra year on jj's contract shouldn't be a deal breaker and you are sorely mistaken. how is an contract that takes an extra year and 25 million to expire not a deal breaker? do you understand how costly that would be? the knicks currently only have felton on contract in 2015-2016, and that a player option for him. adding JJ's contract would throw us up to what, 25 mil? not only do you ruin the chance to rebuild a team from scratch with all that cap room, but you did it to get one of the most pathetic players in the game. not to mention the ridiculous luxury tax implications the knicks would face if they ty

Also JJ is a downgrade from Shumps and JR, so why get him? JJ has always been an inferior teamate, leader, scorer and influence to Stat, Amare when he is injured and struggling is far superior to JJ's play of the last couple years. No one in NY thinks we need to trade for more wings, especially giving up size to do it.

MELO 15
12-23-2012, 08:56 PM
joe dosn't hurt his own team like amare does.

Why am I not surprised by your comment, if it has to do with players already on the knicks u will keep BASHING! U are NOTORIOUS for hating on the KNICKS here on PSD.

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-23-2012, 08:57 PM
I'd rather have a player with knees.

oG $wank.
12-23-2012, 08:58 PM
hell the **** no!!! joe johnson sucks ***

GiantsSwaGG
12-23-2012, 08:59 PM
elephant balls:D we don't need Joe we need a banger

You nasty brah lol

Robbw241
12-23-2012, 08:59 PM
Seriously though Knicks would have to throw in Shumpert for me to even consider it.

StarvingKnick22
12-23-2012, 09:00 PM
**** that.

seikou8
12-23-2012, 09:00 PM
Seriously though Knicks would have to throw in Shumpert for me to even consider it.

hell no

97NYer
12-23-2012, 09:01 PM
Both have players in those positions but they aren't all star talents...Is Joe Johnson an upgrade over Ronnie Brewer? Is Amar'e an upgrade over Kris Humphries?..I would say Yes to both questions...

Brewer starts at SF in the absence of Amar'e and Shumpert and only plays 22 minutes a game despite starting. Joe Johnson is not an upgrade over Shumpert, and arguably even Kidd for chemistry reasons.

GiantsSwaGG
12-23-2012, 09:02 PM
Seriously though Knicks would have to throw in Shumpert for me to even consider it.

:facepalm:

ball4reel
12-23-2012, 09:04 PM
We wont need JJ when Shump gets back..Plus JJ is having 1 of his worst seasons, NO THANKS!!!!!!

oG $wank.
12-23-2012, 09:04 PM
Seriously though Knicks would have to throw in Shumpert for me to even consider it.

:crazy:

bklynny67
12-23-2012, 09:07 PM
Rocco STOP TALKING WITH BIG PURPLE LETTERS. IT'S SERIOUSLY RIDICULOUS AND ANNOYING. JUST STOP.

SeoulBeatz
12-23-2012, 09:09 PM
Seriously though Knicks would have to throw in Shumpert for me to even consider it.

as an objective fan, I doubt the Knicks would even consider doing Shump for JJ straight up. Let alone Shump + Amare.

$GangGr33n$
12-23-2012, 09:10 PM
Both have players in those positions but they aren't all star talents...Is Joe Johnson an upgrade over Ronnie Brewer? Is Amar'e an upgrade over Kris Humphries?..I would say Yes to both questions...

is Joe Johnson an upgrade over Iman Shumpert AND JR Smith? NO

I Rock Shaqs
12-23-2012, 09:12 PM
nope

allSUAVE
12-23-2012, 09:12 PM
Seriously though Knicks would have to throw in Shumpert for me to even consider it.

lmaoo, I thought us Knicks fans overate players..but this guy^ :laugh:

jimm120
12-23-2012, 09:17 PM
Are you sure about that?
Amar'e averaged 18pts and 8 rebs 1 blk 48% last season...Joe Johnson 17 pts 2 assts 42% from the field..



And this is the Post of the Thread right here.

EVEN with Amare's bad play last year, he was still better than Joe Johnson. I don't expect (nor do many knicks fans) Amare to be that bad again.

We're all thinking it'll be around 20 ppg on his usual 50% shooting.

Joe Johnson has been disappointing since signing that contract. He's gotten worse and worse. He fell off immediately after signing the contract and his stats have continued to go down and down.

Amare had a great 1st year (MVP like for 1/2 of it and really good for the rest of it). He had a horrible 2nd year and even that 2nd year was anything better than what JJ has put up the past 2 1/2 years.


EDIT:

Oh, and yeah, JJ has 1 extra year and MORE MONEY per year than Amare.

Robbw241
12-23-2012, 09:19 PM
damn forgot Shumpert is the GOAT. my bad guys :ouch:

Rocco007
12-23-2012, 09:19 PM
shall we not listen to anything domefavors says as to not feed the troll?

a healthy amare who can give the knicks 22ppg and 8 rebounds + a block or two is exactly what the knicks need. melo can play the 4 when amare isn't and amare can also play the 5 when chandler isn't. there are plenty of times in the game when amare's scoring is needed, especially when melo is out.

now you said that the extra year on jj's contract shouldn't be a deal breaker and you are sorely mistaken. how is an contract that takes an extra year and 25 million to expire not a deal breaker? do you understand how costly that would be? the knicks currently only have felton on contract in 2015-2016, and that a player option for him. adding JJ's contract would throw us up to what, 25 mil? not only do you ruin the chance to rebuild a team from scratch with all that cap room, but you did it to get one of the most pathetic players in the game. not to mention the ridiculous luxury tax implications the knicks would face if they ty

Also JJ is a downgrade from Shumps and JR, so why get him? JJ has always been an inferior teamate, leader, scorer and influence to Stat, Amare when he is injured and struggling is far superior to JJ's play of the last couple years. No one in NY thinks we need to trade for more wings, especially giving up size to do it.

For the record I'm a Lakersfan through and through but I'm from NYC and I support the local teams...so this is a legit proposal...
Moving forward...You can't say tax implications are a concern and then say you only have Felton under contract for that extra year...You won't be hit with a luxary tax if that's the case...and if you want to build, an espiring contract can help in a nice trade for pieces and draft picks ala New Orleans or Orlando...
However, if Amar'e and Melo have yet to co-exist...why does knickfan think it will all of a sudden be fixed? At least you know what Johnson can give you...another player that will spread the floor and do battle with DWade when you face Miami...

Evolution23
12-23-2012, 09:19 PM
Wade for Joe makes more sense.

seikou8
12-23-2012, 09:21 PM
Wade for Joe makes more sense.

they would lose in the ecf

Ill21
12-23-2012, 09:22 PM
joe dosn't hurt his own team like amare does.

Just stop

Njsportsfreak
12-23-2012, 09:23 PM
I'd keep JJ over amare any day!!

strahan92osi72
12-23-2012, 09:24 PM
damn forgot Shumpert is the GOAT. my bad guys :ouch:

Forget Shumpert, the fact that Amare is better than Johnson and you want more is what's alarming. If anything, the Knicks should be getting more.

jimm120
12-23-2012, 09:25 PM
damn forgot Shumpert is the GOAT. my bad guys :ouch:

no, the problem is that you forgot that JJ isn't that good. its been a 3 year obvious decline.

Amare had a 1st half MVP like year his first year and still got like 22ppg once Melo was on the team.

Amare, riddled with injuries and his brother's death (and I'm not even bringing to the discussion of Dantoni's horrible coaching), was STILL better than JJ's the 2010 season, 2011 season, and 2012 season. I'm just comparing JJ's 3 years compared to Amare's worst last year...and Amare still wins.


Plus, as many have said, we already have JR Smith and Shumpert at SG. JJ is better than Shump at the moment but quite honestly, is he better than Smith? Smith is inconsistent, but JJ is playing like Vince Carter (just bad stats after bad stats year after year) aside for a few games. Smith goes on streaks with shooting but he's still a spectacular 6th man. His defense has been pretty good too last year and this year, something JJ wouldn't bring to the table. And as for Shumpert...like I said, I think JJ is better right now but We only need some offense from Shump and his tenacious D...which JJ doesn't bring.

Robbw241
12-23-2012, 09:26 PM
Forget Shumpert, the fact that Amare is better than Johnson and you want more is what's alarming. If anything, the Knicks should be getting more.

That's cool that you think Amare is better than Joe, but I don't. Clearly we aren't good trading partners if that wasn't already obvious.

HYFR
12-23-2012, 09:28 PM
Nets fans dropping some gems in here lol

jimm120
12-23-2012, 09:28 PM
Forget Shumpert, the fact that Amare is better than Johnson and you want more is what's alarming. If anything, the Knicks should be getting more.

exactly.

Amare already has 2 things better:

-Better player
-Better contract with less length and less money

And the worst Amare year (last year) was still better than JJ's last 3 years (2010, 2011, and now 2012).

HYFR
12-23-2012, 09:31 PM
Nets fans dropping some gems in here lmao

B'sCeltsPatsSox
12-23-2012, 09:32 PM
damn forgot Shumpert is the GOAT. my bad guys :ouch:

Yeah wouldn't make sense for the Knicks to trade an all-star and soon to be superstar for an over payed POS scrub.

strahan92osi72
12-23-2012, 09:32 PM
exactly.

Amare already has 2 things better:

-Better player
-Better contract with less length and less money

And the worst Amare year (last year) was still better than JJ's last 3 years (2010, 2011, and now 2012).

Heck yeah man, what's scary is he actually just posted how he truly doesn't see Amare as the better player. Wow.:facepalm:

strahan92osi72
12-23-2012, 09:33 PM
Yeah wouldn't make sense for the Knicks to trade an all-star and soon to be superstar for an over payed POS scrub.

Yup, basically.

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 09:36 PM
and people could keep writing about these Knick and Net trades they havent traded with each other since the 70s I believe.

Robbw241
12-23-2012, 09:37 PM
All Knicks players are amazing. All Nets players suck. I have seen Da Light.

oG $wank.
12-23-2012, 09:38 PM
That's cool that you think Amare is better than Joe, but I don't. Clearly we aren't good trading partners if that wasn't already obvious.

once again :crazy:

B'sCeltsPatsSox
12-23-2012, 09:38 PM
exactly.

Amare already has 2 things better:

-Better player
-Better contract with less length and less money

And the worst Amare year (last year) was still better than JJ's last 3 years (2010, 2011, and now 2012).

A better player? Johnson was more efficient than Amar'e was last season on the offensive. Amar'e's defense is garbage where Johnson's isn't bad. Edge goes to Joe.

Better contract is debatable mostly because Joe gives you more bang for your buck than Amar'e does. Both suck *** cheeks though.

seikou8
12-23-2012, 09:38 PM
All Knicks players are amazing. All Nets players suck. I have seen Da Light.

no one said that

BBallfan8
12-23-2012, 09:40 PM
Joe Johnson is such a scrub. JR gives the Knicks exactly what Joe does at 1/15th the cost. A healthy Amar'e is still one of the better big men in the game. If Amar'e can't get healthy, he is an expiring contract in a year and a half. Nets are stuck paying a declining Joe 25 million dollars a year until he is 35 years old.

jimm120
12-23-2012, 09:41 PM
As someone said, in Amare's worst year (last year) he still put up 18 ppg, 8 reb, 1 blk on 48% shooting.

That's more than what JJ has given in the past 3 years.

Amare 2011: 18 ppg, 8 reb, 1 blk, 0.8 stl, 48% shooting (WORST YEAR)
Joe J 2010: 18 ppg, 4 reb, 4 ast, 0.7 stl, 44% shooting
Joe J 2011: 18 ppg, 3.5 reb, 4 ast, 0.8 stl, 45% shooting
Joe J 2012: 17 ppg, 3 reb, 4 ast, 0.6 stl, 42% shooting


Sorry, but compare all 3 years and Amare's WORST season beats out all 3 seasons. Amare can get 1 - 1.5 blocks a game. Gives MORE steals lol. Shoots higher percentage. Scores more.

And remember, that's just comparing JJ the past 3 years to Amare's worst season. If you look back at 2010, you can see that

Amare had a "pre-melo" slash of 26ppg, 8.6 reb, 2.7 ast, 2.2 blks, 1 steal on 50% shooting.
Amare had a "post Melo" slash of 23ppg, 7.3 reb, 2.4 ast, 1.3 blks, 0.8 steal on 50 % shooting.


So if we compared The 2010 amare to JJ...sheesh.

Amare even beats him out in his worst year!

AND Shorter contract! wow.

But lets be realistic, We won't see 2010 amare again. But he's not as bad as his 18ppg/8reb/1blk/48% percentage of 2011 would indicate.

Most SMART people understand taht if he's the 100% #2 player on the knicks (meaning used like the #2 option), he'll be a 20 ppg/7reb/1blk/50% player.

That's way better than Joe Johnson...and one less year with less money to boot!

strahan92osi72
12-23-2012, 09:42 PM
A better player? Johnson was more efficient than Amar'e was last season on the offensive. Amar'e's defense is garbage where Johnson's isn't bad. Edge goes to Joe.

Better contract is debatable mostly because Joe gives you more bang for your buck than Amar'e does. Both suck *** cheeks though.

Credibility=lost. Amare shot 48% from the field last year while Johnson shot 44. Perhaps you should do some research before posting dumb statements.

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 09:42 PM
Joe Johnson is such a scrub. JR gives the Knicks exactly what Joe does at 1/15th the cost. A healthy Amar'e is still one of the better big men in the game. If Amar'e can't get healthy, he is an expiring contract in a year and a half. Nets are stuck paying a declining Joe 25 million dollars a year until he is 35 years old.

Jr Smith is a bum that nobody wanted to pay this summer, thats why he is back with the Knicks for no money at all. Nobody wants him.

strahan92osi72
12-23-2012, 09:43 PM
Jr Smith is a bum that nobody wanted to pay this summer, thats why he is back with the Knicks for no money at all. Nobody wants him.

And yet one can argue he's been better than Scrub Johnson.

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 09:45 PM
And yet one can argue he's been better than Scrub Johnson.

nobody can argue that, Joe is better at everything on the stat sheet

better passer
defender
post up player
scorer
more efficent

call me when JR gets into the starting lineup lol

BBallfan8
12-23-2012, 09:45 PM
Jr Smith is a bum that nobody wanted to pay this summer, thats why he is back with the Knicks for no money at all. Nobody wants him.

Hawks got Deshawn Stevenson and Anthoyn Morrow for Johnson.... and got better.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
12-23-2012, 09:46 PM
Credibility=lost. Amare shot 48% from the field last year while Johnson shot 44. Perhaps you should do some research before posting dumb statements.

Johnson's PER, TS% and EFG% were all higher last season. You know, the stats that aren't so flawed.

I also fully expect to be called a dork or a stats nerd after posting this as well.

Knicks21
12-23-2012, 09:46 PM
Jr Smith is a bum that nobody wanted to pay this summer, thats why he is back with the Knicks for no money at all. Nobody wants him.

No, he was back at the Knicks for little money at all because the Knicks promised to sign his brother.

He had other offers, perhaps more appealing from the Timberwolves and such.

And to nobody wants him, every team in the NBA, with the way he is playing, would take him in a heartbeat for 25 minutes plus a night.

Hopeless.

jimm120
12-23-2012, 09:48 PM
Oh...and please don't use the "can't work together " argument.

Real analysts have pretty much established that the problem has always been spacing because of Tyson. Melo, Tyson, and Amare all play inside. Tyson even closer than the other two. But you gotta have tyson in there. He'll kill the spacing for Melo driving in (but Amare can still hit his 18 foot shot though) but he adds a better alley oop option than Amare.

BBallfan8
12-23-2012, 09:48 PM
Jr Smith is a bum that nobody wanted to pay this summer, thats why he is back with the Knicks for no money at all. Nobody wants him.

Says the guy hyping up Blatche. Nets can keep Joe Johnson.

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 09:49 PM
No, he was back at the Knicks for little money at all because the Knicks promised to sign his brother.

He had other offers, perhaps more appealing from the Timberwolves and such.

And to nobody wants him, every team in the NBA, with the way he is playing, would take him in a heartbeat for 25 minutes plus a night.

Hopeless.

You can make up stuff and all that because you are a Knick fan that wants to defend him but it was said he got no offers at all. Nobody wanted him. He isnt a player people care about.

Robbw241
12-23-2012, 09:49 PM
Johnson's PER, TS% and EFG% were all higher last season. You know, the stats that aren't so flawed.

I also fully expect to be called a dork or a stats nerd after posting this as well.

Wow what a dweeeeeeeeeb.

Knicks21
12-23-2012, 09:50 PM
Like the Knicks need ISO Joe anyway. Could probably pick 20 other SG's that would fit better.

Knicks21
12-23-2012, 09:53 PM
You can make up stuff and all that because you are a Knick fan that wants to defend him but it was said he got no offers at all. Nobody wanted him. He isnt a player people care about.

Nobody wants him....
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/rumors-scoop-du-jour/pacers-timberwolves-interested-j-r-smith-121856194.html

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 09:56 PM
Nobody wants him....
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/rumors-scoop-du-jour/pacers-timberwolves-interested-j-r-smith-121856194.html

that was this past feb im talking about THIS OFFSEASON, he was so bad last year for NY nobody wanted him.

oG $wank.
12-23-2012, 09:57 PM
Jr Smith is a bum that nobody wanted to pay this summer, thats why he is back with the Knicks for no money at all. Nobody wants him.

everything you say is irrelevant. get a life you clown. JJ sucks ***

jimm120
12-23-2012, 10:06 PM
Amare's worst season compared to JJ's last 3 seasons. Amare still wins even when using his worst season to compare.

And Amare's contract is shorter.

ONLY positives for JJ is that he isn't as injury prone as Amare...and Amare has only been injury prone one year here in NY.
Amare 2011: 18 ppg, 8 reb, 1 blk, 0.8 stl, 48% shooting (WORST YEAR)
Joe J 2010: 18 ppg, 4 reb, 4 ast, 0.7 stl, 44% shooting
Joe J 2011: 18 ppg, 3.5 reb, 4 ast, 0.8 stl, 45% shooting
Joe J 2012: 17 ppg, 3 reb, 4 ast, 0.6 stl, 42% shooting

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 10:11 PM
Amare's worst season compared to JJ's last 3 seasons. Amare still wins even when using his worst season to compare.

And Amare's contract is shorter.

ONLY positives for JJ is that he isn't as injury prone as Amare...and Amare has only been injury prone one year here in NY.
Amare 2011: 18 ppg, 8 reb, 1 blk, 0.8 stl, 48% shooting (WORST YEAR)
Joe J 2010: 18 ppg, 4 reb, 4 ast, 0.7 stl, 44% shooting
Joe J 2011: 18 ppg, 3.5 reb, 4 ast, 0.8 stl, 45% shooting
Joe J 2012: 17 ppg, 3 reb, 4 ast, 0.6 stl, 42% shooting

Amare is a big man they should shoot higher fg% but his defense was awful and he didnt make a difference in them winning games.

strahan92osi72
12-23-2012, 10:12 PM
Amare is a big man they should shoot higher fg% but his defense was awful and he didnt make a difference in them winning games.

My God you are a complete fool.:facepalm:

B'sCeltsPatsSox
12-23-2012, 10:14 PM
Amare's worst season compared to JJ's last 3 seasons. Amare still wins even when using his worst season to compare.

And Amare's contract is shorter.

ONLY positives for JJ is that he isn't as injury prone as Amare...and Amare has only been injury prone one year here in NY.
Amare 2011: 18 ppg, 8 reb, 1 blk, 0.8 stl, 48% shooting (WORST YEAR)
Joe J 2010: 18 ppg, 4 reb, 4 ast, 0.7 stl, 44% shooting
Joe J 2011: 18 ppg, 3.5 reb, 4 ast, 0.8 stl, 45% shooting
Joe J 2012: 17 ppg, 3 reb, 4 ast, 0.6 stl, 42% shooting

You're using basic stats for two players who play two totally different positions.

Try using stats like PER, TS% and eFG% that measure efficiency and weigh in all factors being involved on offense.

Rocco007
12-23-2012, 10:15 PM
Amare's worst season compared to JJ's last 3 seasons. Amare still wins even when using his worst season to compare.

And Amare's contract is shorter.

ONLY positives for JJ is that he isn't as injury prone as Amare...and Amare has only been injury prone one year here in NY.
Amare 2011: 18 ppg, 8 reb, 1 blk, 0.8 stl, 48% shooting (WORST YEAR)
Joe J 2010: 18 ppg, 4 reb, 4 ast, 0.7 stl, 44% shooting
Joe J 2011: 18 ppg, 3.5 reb, 4 ast, 0.8 stl, 45% shooting
Joe J 2012: 17 ppg, 3 reb, 4 ast, 0.6 stl, 42% shooting

Forget those stats because they don't play the same position..
This is where I see both teams improving with this trade....
Johnson would give the Knicks a formidable player to face DWade on both ends of the court who can hit clutch shots and isn't scared of the moment...He also would arguably be their best post up player...Melo being the only other that has any game in the paint...This is the Knicks biggest weakness....I can see Melo and Johnson playing an inside outside game together...
For the Nets...Amar'e would give DWill a formidable big man that can play around the rim and can play the pick and roll offense...also has a nice mid range game...I can see those 2 playing well together...
Amar'e doesn't have a post game...so his spacing on the offensive end is a problem for the Knicks...

jimm120
12-23-2012, 10:18 PM
Amare is a big man they should shoot higher fg% but his defense was awful and he didnt make a difference in them winning games.

Amare isn't a prototypical big man. He doesn't just do what Tyson/Pau/ and other big men do. He doesn't post up, do tons of alley oops, or have many put backs. He's a big man that shoots from the outside. That's his game. He'll take that 15-18 foot shot. He'll drive slightly to take a 10 footer (using his height to get the shot off). Of course his percentages will be lower than a Tyson Chandler, Dwight Howard, etc...all of whom are tasked to shoot from 5 feet from the basket at most.

Becks2307
12-23-2012, 10:25 PM
JOE JOHNSON SUCKS

lol keep him far away. I wouldn't trade JJ for Shump straight up. That contract makes Amare's look decent in comparison.

JJ has been on a steady decline, he is never going to reach to the level of his early Atlanta day's again.

At the wings we have Shump, Kidd, Smith, Brewer. JJ doesnt play defense either and turns into a shell during the playoffs, no thanks.

justinnum1
12-23-2012, 10:27 PM
No one wants Amare, knicks tried to basically give him away for free and no one wanted him.

Someone took JJ. both guys arent nearly as good as they are being paid to be.

onlythisfar41
12-23-2012, 10:29 PM
Forget those stats because they don't play the same position..
This is where I see both teams improving with this trade....
Johnson would give the Knicks a formidable player to face DWade on both ends of the court who can hit clutch shots and isn't scared of the moment...He also would arguably be their best post up player...Melo being the only other that has any game in the paint...This is the Knicks biggest weakness....I can see Melo and Johnson playing an inside outside game together...
For the Nets...Amar'e would give DWill a formidable big man that can play around the rim and can play the pick and roll offense...also has a nice mid range game...I can see those 2 playing well together...
Amar'e doesn't have a post game...so his spacing on the offensive end is a problem for the Knicks...

Wait wait wait wait wait wait, hold on HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA did you really just say Joe Johnson has a better post up game than Melo?

You arent allowed to discuss basketball anymore, that statement lost you any shred of credibility and intelligence that you had.

As for the other problem with this thread besides the stupid trade idea that makes no sense at all, everyone needs to stop responding to DoMeFavors. If he wants to keep posting let him, he can have a conversation with himself. Everyone knows he's a clown and one of the more notorious trolls on this forum. Just dont respond to him.

Knicks21
12-23-2012, 10:30 PM
No one wants Amare, knicks tried to basically give him away for free and no one wanted him.

Someone took JJ. both guys arent nearly as good as they are being paid to be.

Someone extremely, extremely desperate took JJ.

DrDre94
12-23-2012, 10:30 PM
Heeeeeeeeeeeell no!

B'sCeltsPatsSox
12-23-2012, 10:33 PM
Someone extremely, extremely desperate took JJ.


They still took him though:shrug:

Becks2307
12-23-2012, 10:33 PM
No one wants Amare, knicks tried to basically give him away for free and no one wanted him.

Someone took JJ. both guys arent nearly as good as they are being paid to be.

Lol the whole Amare thing has been blown SO out of proportion.

Amare was injured repeatedly last year. The season before he was an early MVP candidate.

In his worst season ever he averaged 18 and 8 as a second option.

I dont expect Amare to come in and be a star right away but as a second option at this point in their careers he is better than Joe Johnson.

Joe Johnson shot 37% in the playoffs last year when his team needed him most. And the Hawks seem to be even better without him this year.

Rocco007
12-23-2012, 10:35 PM
Wait wait wait wait wait wait, hold on HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA did you really just say Joe Johnson has a better post up game than Melo?

You arent allowed to discuss basketball anymore, that statement lost you any shred of credibility and intelligence that you had.

Actually Kobe is better than any of them down low. really all I care about..so my friend you can judge that on your own and make your assessment...my point is Melo is the only player with any post game on the Knicks...

KnickaBocka.44
12-23-2012, 10:36 PM
No one wants Amare, knicks tried to basically give him away for free and no one wanted him.

Someone took JJ. both guys arent nearly as good as they are being paid to be.

No one wants Amare because his contract isnt insured, not because he is a bad player.

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 10:36 PM
Oh No Nets lost Petro,Farmar, Morrow,Stevenson for Joe Johnson all Nets fans are sad those guys were all stars. Like it or not Joe will be an all star again no other SG in the east is playing better than him and Wade.

Oldmantrash
12-23-2012, 10:40 PM
Joe Johnson is not a problem for the Nets, he's been pretty good, don't want to trade him.
Nets have other issues.

bklynny67
12-23-2012, 10:41 PM
Oh No Nets lost Petro,Farmar, Morrow,Stevenson for Joe Johnson all Nets fans are sad those guys were all stars. Like it or not Joe will be an all star again no other SG in the east is playing better than him and Wade.

LOL JJ being an all star this yr? HAHAHA... the EAST is pretty pathetic at that position if he's chosen. It wouldn't be an accomplishment. It'd be pathetic and said.... like your posts.

DeRozan and Afflalo are having better seasons than JJ. He's just bad now.

Ty Fast
12-23-2012, 10:43 PM
No Joe has 1 more year and he suck balls

move melo to pf and start jj at sf

edit: sorry. wrong quote

justinnum1
12-23-2012, 10:44 PM
No one wants Amare because his contract isnt insured, not because he is a bad player.

If amare could help a team win someone would take him. His inability to stay healthy plus the fact that he needs to be the focus of an offense and he plays no defense are the main factors why no one wants him. That his contract is not insured only makes it worse.

COACH DUBB
12-23-2012, 10:45 PM
Joe Johnson for Pau

waveycrockett
12-23-2012, 10:48 PM
Joe Johnson has 2 functioning knee caps, no back problems, plays defense and is still good.... Amare on the other hand blows. No thanks.

waveycrockett
12-23-2012, 10:51 PM
johnson's per, ts% and efg% were all higher last season. You know, the stats that aren't so flawed.

I also fully expect to be called a dork or a stats nerd after posting this as well.

amen amen amen

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 10:51 PM
LOL JJ being an all star this yr? HAHAHA... the EAST is pretty pathetic at that position if he's chosen. It wouldn't be an accomplishment. It'd be pathetic and said.... like your posts.

DeRozan and Afflalo are having better seasons than JJ. He's just bad now.

18 ppg and 4 assists so how are they better?

KnickaBocka.44
12-23-2012, 10:52 PM
If amare could help a team win someone would take him. His inability to stay healthy plus the fact that he needs to be the focus of an offense and he plays no defense are the main factors why no one wants him. That his contract is not insured only makes it worse.

what does that even mean? anyone would have to be the focus of an offense to be a productive player on that end of the floor.

Knicks21
12-23-2012, 10:54 PM
Hopefully Amare can be apart of the system again.

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 10:55 PM
I dont take anything Knick fans say seriously I heard Landry Fields is a top sg from them, Shumpert is the best defender in the league and all sorts of nonsense.

bklynny67
12-23-2012, 10:58 PM
I dont take anything Knick fans say seriously I heard Landry Fields is a top sg from them, Shumpert is the best defender in the league and all sorts of nonsense.

i'm sure u know by now that literally no one here takes what u say seriously. Even your fellow Nets fans.

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 11:01 PM
i'm sure u know by now that literally no one here takes what u say seriously. Even your fellow Nets fans.

Ok....if you dont want to take me seriously thats fine. I know whether people like me or not what I say registers into their mind and deep down they know that I am right.

waveycrockett
12-23-2012, 11:05 PM
what does that even mean? anyone would have to be the focus of an offense to be a productive player on that end of the floor.

wtf? Is Chris Bosh the focus of the HEAT offense? Some of things I read here man smh.

cssdmark
12-23-2012, 11:06 PM
Not happening, I would prefer to keep Amare this year and see what happens but if Boston wants to trade Garnett for Amare, lets do it.

Tysons_Beard
12-23-2012, 11:06 PM
Y'all are totally under appreciating amare....

Sandman
12-23-2012, 11:06 PM
An expiring contract always has tremendous value in the NBA...Especially one of that size...So that shouldn't be a deal breaker...

So again, what makes it different from Amares?

Its one year longer.

KnickaBocka.44
12-23-2012, 11:07 PM
wtf? Is Chris Bosh the focus of the HEAT offense? Some of things I read here man smh.

okay, you named one player. Please, keep going...

bklynny67
12-23-2012, 11:07 PM
Ok....if you dont want to take me seriously thats fine. I know whether people like me or not what I say registers into their mind and deep down they know that I am right.

sure... deep down people know that you are right when you say the 14-12 Nets are better than the 20-7 Knicks, and also that the Knicks aren't even a good team as they still sit atop the East and only have 2 teams in the NBA with a better winning % currently. :facepalm:

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

what a joke

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 11:08 PM
all I got to say is this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkcwB1tC2iQ

JEDean89
12-23-2012, 11:08 PM
For the record I'm a Lakersfan through and through but I'm from NYC and I support the local teams...so this is a legit proposal...
Moving forward...You can't say tax implications are a concern and then say you only have Felton under contract for that extra year...You won't be hit with a luxary tax if that's the case...and if you want to build, an espiring contract can help in a nice trade for pieces and draft picks ala New Orleans or Orlando...
However, if Amar'e and Melo have yet to co-exist...why does knickfan think it will all of a sudden be fixed? At least you know what Johnson can give you...another player that will spread the floor and do battle with DWade when you face Miami...

so the luxury tax implications of trying to build a team around a player with a 15 PER and a 25 million dollar contract that year would be borderline impossible without going into the luxury tax. it is the same way that having Kobe Bryant on the Lakers means that they are going to have to dip into the luxury tax. i don't like your argument here. they would also likely have to pay Melo a max extension meaning between Melo and JJ and Novak (who i forgot is also on the payroll that year) it would be roughly 54 million for 3 wing players. to fill out a decent supporting cast would be nearly impossible.

you keep saying that JJ has a valuable expiring contract but you fail to grasp that Amare has the more valuable expiring contract because a team wont have to pay him that 6th year 25 million dollars and you get to cash in on it earlier assets that can be used quickly are always more valuable. the argument that JJ has value in his contract because of his expiring is just ridiculous.

the amare melo meshing is a concern but Woodson had success with both of them (8-2, small sample size though), and Stat has yet to come off the bench. I already mentioned that adding a wing player to a wing heavy roster makes a lot less sense then keeping a 20-8 big, who can help with rebounding. obviously i don't know if the melo pairing would work, but the JJ - Williams pairing has been pretty awful and JJ is a big reason of that. Also i don't know if you know this Shumps, Brewer and JR will do battle with D-Wade, getting 4 players to match up against him is overkill and also we're pretty good with spacing and hitting 3's. don't know why we would get weaker where we are weakest so we can get stronger where we are strongest.

the idea works in salary alone, when you break it down, no one is trading for Joe Johnson, it was an epic fail when the Nets traded for him, they gave up hardly anything for him.

cssdmark
12-23-2012, 11:08 PM
I agree Amare is under appreciated on this site. I would prefer to keep Amare and when Shump comes back we are gonna be hella deep. Now we are talking about winning the east

oak2455
12-23-2012, 11:09 PM
You nasty brah lol

This is true

waveycrockett
12-23-2012, 11:09 PM
okay, you named one player. Please, keep going...

Ok and I just needed 1 to prove what you said is moronic.

bklynny67
12-23-2012, 11:09 PM
all I got to say is this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkcwB1tC2iQ

lol this shows nothing. You can literally find an impressive youtube video of just about any player.

waveycrockett
12-23-2012, 11:10 PM
Not happening, I would prefer to keep Amare this year and see what happens but if Boston wants to trade Garnett for Amare, lets do it.

Why would they trade a productive, healthy player for one that is garbage?

oak2455
12-23-2012, 11:11 PM
All Knicks players are amazing. All Nets players suck. I have seen Da Light.

This is true I'd agree

seikou8
12-23-2012, 11:11 PM
Why would they trade a productive, healthy player for one that is garbage?

:facepalm:

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 11:11 PM
so the luxury tax implications of trying to build a team around a player with a 15 PER and a 25 million dollar contract that year would be borderline impossible without going into the luxury tax. it is the same way that having Kobe Bryant on the Lakers means that they are going to have to dip into the luxury tax. i don't like your argument here. they would also likely have to pay Melo a max extension meaning between Melo and JJ and Novak (who i forgot is also on the payroll that year) it would be roughly 54 million for 3 wing players. to fill out a decent supporting cast would be nearly impossible.

you keep saying that JJ has a valuable expiring contract but you fail to grasp that Amare has the more valuable expiring contract because a team wont have to pay him that 6th year 25 million dollars and you get to cash in on it earlier assets that can be used quickly are always more valuable. the argument that JJ has value in his contract because of his expiring is just ridiculous.

the amare melo meshing is a concern but Woodson had success with both of them (8-2, small sample size though), and Stat has yet to come off the bench. I already mentioned that adding a wing player to a wing heavy roster makes a lot less sense then keeping a 20-8 big, who can help with rebounding. obviously i don't know if the melo pairing would work, but the JJ - Williams pairing has been pretty awful and JJ is a big reason of that. Also i don't know if you know this Shumps, Brewer and JR will do battle with D-Wade, getting 4 players to match up against him is overkill and also we're pretty good with spacing and hitting 3's. don't know why we would get weaker where we are weakest so we can get stronger where we are strongest.

the idea works in salary alone, when you break it down, no one is trading for Joe Johnson, it was an epic fail when the Nets traded for him, they gave up hardly anything for him.

Why has the Williams and JJ pairing been awful? and JJ is a big reason its been awful why?

KnickaBocka.44
12-23-2012, 11:11 PM
Ok and I just needed 1 to prove what you said is moronic.

you're a sad individual. It cant be too moronic if you can only find one exception.

bklynny67
12-23-2012, 11:15 PM
I think it's funny that the three PSD posters that people throughout these message boards make fun of the most and take nothing they say seriously, just happen to root for the same team....

Domefavors
Waveycrockett
Jmoney

Thanks to you three for giving us something to laugh about daily.

oak2455
12-23-2012, 11:16 PM
I think Amare has a stipulation in his contract not to be traded to a franchise that has not made the playoffs in so many years :)

waveycrockett
12-23-2012, 11:17 PM
you're a sad individual. It cant be too moronic if you can only find one exception.

Ok lets play your stupid game

So you need to the FOCUS of an offense to be productive?

Is Serge Ibaka the focus of OKC's offense?

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 11:17 PM
There are only like 4 players in the NBA that can take over a game offensivly

Joe Johnson
Kobe
Durant
Carmelo

waveycrockett
12-23-2012, 11:17 PM
I think Amare has a stipulation in his contract not to be traded to a franchise that has not made the playoffs in so many years :)

Impossible. He would of have never signed with the Knicks in the first place :)

justinnum1
12-23-2012, 11:18 PM
Impossible. He would of have never signed with the Knicks in the first place :)

:laugh2:

waveycrockett
12-23-2012, 11:19 PM
I think it's funny that the three PSD posters that people throughout these message boards make fun of the most and take nothing they say seriously, just happen to root for the same team....

Domefavors
Waveycrockett
Jmoney

Thanks to you three for giving us something to laugh about daily.

You insulted my internet credibility. Where will I turn? O No O No

Becks2307
12-23-2012, 11:21 PM
There are only like 4 players in the NBA that can take over a game offensivly

Joe Johnson
Kobe
Durant
Carmelo

Oh god.

Cracka2HI!
12-23-2012, 11:21 PM
I actually think this is decent trade. Doubt the Knicks would do it, but it makes a lot of sense for the Nets. Maybe they'd add a little more?

bklynny67
12-23-2012, 11:21 PM
There are only like 4 players in the NBA that can take over a game offensivly

Joe Johnson
Kobe
Durant
Carmelo

LOLLLLLLLLLLL you have JJ on a "takeover the game" list with Kobe, Durant, and Melo.... that's an insult to those guys..

You're right though, there are like 4... Kobe, Durant, Melo, and Lebron....

You seriously just pretty much said Joe Johnson can take over a game better than Lebron James. LOL :facepalm: you so funny

waveycrockett
12-23-2012, 11:22 PM
There are only like 4 players in the NBA that can take over a game offensivly

Joe Johnson
Kobe
Durant
Carmelo

This is the moment where you just need to slowly step away from the computer.

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 11:23 PM
LOLLLLLLLLLLL you have JJ on a "takeover the game" list with Kobe, Durant, and Melo.... that's an insult to those guys..

You're right though, there are like 4... Kobe, Durant, Melo, and Lebron....

You seriously just pretty much said Joe Johnson can take over a game better than Lebron. LOL :facepalm: you so funny

In terms of scoring and shooting the ball yes, if LeBron had the shooting ability of Joe he would be better than MJ.

Joes weakness is Lebrons strength and Lebrons weakness if Joes strength

oak2455
12-23-2012, 11:23 PM
Impossible. He would of have never signed with the Knicks in the first place :)

And where did the Knicks go last year the playoffs and looking like that's happening again.... ohhh btw Melo owns more of the Nets than JayZ ;) :eyebrow:

Enzo
12-23-2012, 11:24 PM
There are only like 4 players in the NBA that can take over a game offensivly

Joe Johnson
Kobe
Durant
Carmelo

I'm at a loss for words :facepalm:

oak2455
12-23-2012, 11:24 PM
:laugh2:

What's so funny ? The heat haven't even competed against the Knicks this year :) yeah buddy

Jint.
12-23-2012, 11:24 PM
There are only like 4 players in the NBA that can take over a game offensivly

Joe Johnson
Kobe
Durant
Carmelo

you forgot Stackhouse..

Becks2307
12-23-2012, 11:25 PM
In terms of scoring and shooting the ball yes, if LeBron had the shooting ability of Joe he would be better than MJ.

Joes weakness is Lebrons strength and Lebrons weakness if Joes strength

:confused::confused::confused:

Mr Costanza
12-23-2012, 11:25 PM
This is the moment where you just need to slowly step away from the computer.

:laugh:

BigBlueCrew
12-23-2012, 11:25 PM
There are only like 4 players in the NBA that can take over a game offensivly

Joe Johnson
Kobe
Durant
Carmelo


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

JEDean89
12-23-2012, 11:25 PM
Why has the Williams and JJ pairing been awful? and JJ is a big reason its been awful why?

You make things too easy. They are together, one of, if not the highest paid backcourt's in the league. the results? well, Joe Johnson is playing like crap, he is a full point below the league average in PER :facepalm: for 20 mill a year. he is shooting 43% from the floor.

Deron Williams has a better PER of 17.5, no where near allstar caliber and is shooting 40% from the floor. This is what 40 mill is buying you.

33 points, 11 assists, 6 rebounds. on combined 41.5% shooing. Sounds like a failure to me. also, you know, their record under their current coach, they are a fringe playoff team.

Joe Johnson stat line for 20 mil a year
17 4 3 on 43% shooting with 14 PER in 39 mins a game

JR Smith stat line for 2.5 mil a year
14 2.5 5 on 41% shooting with 15 PER in 32 mins a game.

Deron Williams stat line for 20 mil a year
17 8 3 on 40% shooting with 17 PER in 37 mins a game

Raymond Felton Stat line 4 mil a year
16 6.5 3 on 40% shooting with 16 PER in 33 mins a game.

your 40 million dollar back court is giving you the production of a 6.5 million dollar back court. that is a failure, so stop with your ********, you should know you are the laughing stock of the PSD NBA forum.

Becks2307
12-23-2012, 11:25 PM
DMF is the greatest troll ever, i just can't with this guy.

waveycrockett
12-23-2012, 11:25 PM
And where did the Knicks go last year the playoffs and looking like that's happening again.... ohhh btw Melo owns more of the Nets than JayZ ;) :eyebrow:

Ok your mad and your taking credit for other peoples jokes. :laugh:

seikou8
12-23-2012, 11:25 PM
There are only like 4 players in the NBA that can take over a game offensivly

Joe Johnson
Kobe
Durant
Carmelo

:laugh::laugh:

oak2455
12-23-2012, 11:25 PM
I'm at a loss for words :facepalm:

In the D league he can take over a game ;)

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 11:26 PM
you forgot Stackhouse..

he was up there back in 2001

KnickaBocka.44
12-23-2012, 11:26 PM
Ok lets play your stupid game

So you need to the FOCUS of an offense to be productive?

Is Serge Ibaka the focus of OKC's offense?

Obviously he's not, but he's also a role player without the ability on offense to be a productive scorer. He is completely reliant on Westbrook and KD for his production on offense

Enzo
12-23-2012, 11:26 PM
you forgot Stackhouse..

No, she didn't forget. She really believes what she posted. Stackhouse is on her list of top defenders.

oak2455
12-23-2012, 11:26 PM
Ok your mad and your taking credit for other peoples jokes. :laugh:

It was a tweet and it was hilarious

bklynny67
12-23-2012, 11:26 PM
In terms of scoring and shooting the ball yes, if LeBron had the shooting ability of Joe he would be better than MJ.

Joes weakness is Lebrons strength and Lebrons weakness if Joes strength

Yea, Joe Johnson's got that 42% shooting % working for him. That's tough to compete with. :facepalm:

Seriously, you have him on the list of only 4 players in the NBA that can take over a game. You seriously have problems and know nothing about basketball. Even your fellow Nets fans agree.

Just stop embarrassing yourself. It's sad.

JEDean89
12-23-2012, 11:27 PM
statistics and facts, domefavors worst enemy

KnickaBocka.44
12-23-2012, 11:27 PM
This is the moment where you just need to slowly step away from the computer.

:laugh2: That was actually awesome.

justinnum1
12-23-2012, 11:27 PM
What's so funny ? The heat haven't even competed against the Knicks this year :) yeah buddy

Show me the trophy you guys got for those 2 wins

oh yea, regular season means nothing. Try harder kid

oak2455
12-23-2012, 11:27 PM
This is great 'twas the night before Christmas .......

Ill21
12-23-2012, 11:28 PM
Show me the trophy you guys got for those 2 wins

oh yea, regular season means nothing. Try harder kid

Knicks>Heat

JEDean89
12-23-2012, 11:29 PM
In terms of scoring and shooting the ball yes, if LeBron had the shooting ability of Joe he would be better than MJ.

Joes weakness is Lebrons strength and Lebrons weakness if Joes strength

lebron shoots better from the floor and from deep than JJ, WTF are you talking about?

seikou8
12-23-2012, 11:30 PM
Show me the trophy you guys got for those 2 wins

oh yea, regular season means nothing. Try harder kid

just like your post means nothing ;)

oak2455
12-23-2012, 11:30 PM
Show me the trophy you guys got for those 2 wins

oh yea, regular season means nothing. Try harder kid

Kid lmao listen just get some sun already ... are you like Casper ? Only guy in Miami who's indoors 24/7.... ;)

jammastershake
12-23-2012, 11:30 PM
I stopped reading this thread the moment I saw the OP's purple bold font.

$GangGr33n$
12-23-2012, 11:30 PM
I dont take anything Knick fans say seriously I heard Landry Fields is a top sg from them, Shumpert is the best defender in the league and all sorts of nonsense.

LIE! I dont know a Knicks fan who even liked that bum

Shumpert IS one of the best perimeter defenders in the league much better than anyone on the Nets

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 11:31 PM
Yea, Joe Johnson's got that 42% shooting % working for him. That's tough to compete with. :facepalm:

Seriously, you have him on the list of only 4 players in the NBA that can take over a game. You seriously have problems and know nothing about basketball. Even your fellow Nets fans agree.

Just stop embarrassing yourself. It's sad.

you saw that video

bklynny67
12-23-2012, 11:32 PM
you saw that video

Yes I saw him make two shots. LOL stop dude.


JJ is not one of the top players in taking over a game. You're ridiculous. Just stop. you really must just enjoy messing with people on here. I truely believe that now. There's no way you believe what you say is true.

Even you can't be that stupid.

JEDean89
12-23-2012, 11:32 PM
you saw that video

steve novak will do that for 1/6th the price, JR Smith for 1/8th :facepalm:

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 11:36 PM
steve novak will do that for 1/6th the price, JR Smith for 1/8th :facepalm:

Call me when those 2 make an ASG or call me when Novak actually puts on some muscle...cat looks like he cant even bench the bar.

$GangGr33n$
12-23-2012, 11:38 PM
Call me when those 2 make an ASG or call me when Novak actually puts on some muscle...cat looks like he cant even bench the bar.

and yet he's still a better shooter than Iso Joe

Kenny
12-23-2012, 11:42 PM
Show me the trophy you guys got for those 2 wins

oh yea, regular season means nothing. Try harder kid

If the regular seaosn means nothing why are you on this forum talking NBA 24/7? shouldn't you come around in april?

knicksfan42
12-23-2012, 11:42 PM
Call me when those 2 make an ASG or call me when Novak actually puts on some muscle...cat looks like he cant even bench the bar.

So only 4-5 times as strong as Blatche

JEDean89
12-23-2012, 11:43 PM
Call me when those 2 make an ASG or call me when Novak actually puts on some muscle...cat looks like he cant even bench the bar.

lol, i have already demonstrated how JR and JJ give pretty much the same production but JR is 1/8th the price. when you are defeated in an argument you lash out on a tangent that is completely irrelevant to what we are talking about. JJ was once an allstar, he is no longer even an average player by John Hollinger's definition. that is what we are arguing about, whether JJ is worth more than Amare to their respective teams. I for one would rather have Iman Shumpert and JR Smith who are just as good of players if not better at this point in their careers, for the money they cost, then to pay JJ 20 million a year to shoot up 40%. No JR smith isn't making the allstar game, but neither is Joe Johnson and one of them is payed like an allstar for this year and the next 3. enjoy Joe Johnson, domefavors, you love him and he's all yours for the next 4 seasons.

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 11:45 PM
lol, i have already demonstrated how JR and JJ give pretty much the same production but JR is 1/8th the price. when you are defeated in an argument you lash out on a tangent that is completely irrelevant to what we are talking about. JJ was once an allstar, he is no longer even an average player by John Hollinger's definition. that is what we are arguing about, whether JJ is worth more than Amare to their respective teams. I for one would rather have Iman Shumpert and JR Smith who are just as good of players if not better at this point in their careers, for the money they cost, then to pay JJ 20 million a year to shoot up 40%. No JR smith isn't making the allstar game, but neither is Joe Johnson and one of them is payed like an allstar for this year and the next 3. enjoy Joe Johnson, domefavors, you love him and he's all yours for the next 4 seasons.

Joe is making the all star team this year, name me someone at sg that will make it over him.

JEDean89
12-23-2012, 11:45 PM
domefavors seems to think their is a correlation between muscle and shooting the ball from deep. he has never watched a GSW game where curry and thompson has drilled 3 after 3 after 3, didn't they beat you on your homecourt domefavors?

ILLUSIONIST^248
12-23-2012, 11:46 PM
joe dosn't hurt his own team like amare does.

Knicks having amare back soon could be huge. He would make a lot bigger impact on the Knicks than joe would. Joe is absolute trash. Amare still has a chance to come back and be productive.

meloman1592
12-23-2012, 11:46 PM
never in a million years...nobody wants joverrated johnson

oak2455
12-23-2012, 11:48 PM
and yet he's still a better shooter than Iso Joe

True statement .... One of the best pure shooters in the NBA

oak2455
12-23-2012, 11:49 PM
Because making the ASG means so much.... Lmao

JEDean89
12-23-2012, 11:51 PM
Joe is making the all star team this year, name me someone at sg that will make it over him.

:facepalm: Dwayne Wade? who, injured is lightyears better? also since the Nets have a bad record, the coaches won't vote JJ in this year with his pathetic shooting percentage, lack of leadership and horrible PER. Salary does not equal all star appearences, this is what Nets fans don't get, you cannot just buy a championship. Paying someone 20 million a year does not make them any better.

Also you fail to understand the new Allstar game format, there no longer has to be 2+ Sg's. Now guards who will make it over him? O man this is gonna be long

Dwayne Wade
Derrick Rose (if he's back)
Jrue Holiday
Raymond Felton (who shouldn't make it but is better)
Deron Williams (who shouldn't make it but is better)
Kyrie Irving
Monte Ellis
Brandon Jennings

and there are more, like his PER of 14 states, there are more players playing better than Joe Johnson than there are players playing worse.

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 11:52 PM
Because making the ASG means so much.... Lmao

It shows who on your team is among the best players in our game today.

DoMeFavors
12-23-2012, 11:53 PM
:facepalm: Dwayne Wade? who, injured is lightyears better? also since the Nets have a bad record, the coaches won't vote JJ in this year with his pathetic shooting percentage, lack of leadership and horrible PER. Salary does not equal all star appearences, this is what Nets fans don't get, you cannot just buy a championship. Paying someone 20 million a year does not make them any better.

Also you fail to understand the new Allstar game format, there no longer has to be 2+ Sg's. Now guards who will make it over him? O man this is gonna be long

Dwayne Wade
Derrick Rose (if he's back)
Jrue Holiday
Raymond Felton (who shouldn't make it but is better)
Deron Williams (who shouldn't make it but is better)
Kyrie Irving
Monte Ellis
Brandon Jennings

and there are more, like his PER of 14 states, there are more players playing better than Joe Johnson than there are players playing worse.

Wade will make it but those other guys are pgs and there is no other sg better than Joe besides Wade.

oak2455
12-23-2012, 11:53 PM
False means zero

$GangGr33n$
12-23-2012, 11:54 PM
Joe is making the all star team this year, name me someone at sg that will make it over him.

Its 2 backcourt players not PG & SG so very easily there are much more than 2 backcourt players that'll make it over him

GiantsSwaGG
12-23-2012, 11:55 PM
just like your post means nothing ;)

:laugh:

GiantsSwaGG
12-23-2012, 11:56 PM
Kid lmao listen just get some sun already ... are you like Casper ? Only guy in Miami who's indoors 24/7.... ;)

:laugh: OWNED!

GiantsSwaGG
12-23-2012, 11:57 PM
If the regular seaosn means nothing why are you on this forum talking NBA 24/7? shouldn't you come around in april?

He wouldn't be able to reach 100k in 3 years which is a PSD record for ppl with no life!

$GangGr33n$
12-23-2012, 11:57 PM
It shows who on your team is among the best players in our game today.


Wade will make it but those other guys are pgs and there is no other sg better than Joe besides Wade.

no its doesnt T-Mac almost made it a few years ago and hadnt even played a game that year

Monta Ellis is better, younger, and cheaper

GiantsSwaGG
12-23-2012, 11:58 PM
Justinnum1 when it comes to the Knicks is like Dwayne Wade's baby mother, can't leave the d*** alone!

DrDre94
12-24-2012, 12:00 AM
Joe Johnson is not making the All-Star game in my opinion.

Dwayne Wade
Derrick Rose
Jrue Holiday
Deron Williams
Kyrie Irving
Monte Ellis
Brandon Jennings
Rajon Rondo
Paul George

Are all better than him.

Rocco007
12-24-2012, 12:03 AM
you keep saying that JJ has a valuable expiring contract but you fail to grasp that Amare has the more valuable expiring contract because a team wont have to pay him that 6th year 25 million dollars and you get to cash in on it earlier assets that can be used quickly are always more valuable. the argument that JJ has value in his contract because of his expiring is just ridiculous..

Amar'e's contract is worse because its uninsured...and he has bad knees as the cherry on top...This isn't about contracts...Both are bad...This is about getting the best out of these two former allstars who are past their prime ...and may not be in the best position with their current teams to flourish...

DoMeFavors
12-24-2012, 12:03 AM
no its doesnt T-Mac almost made it a few years ago and hadnt even played a game that year

Monta Ellis is better, younger, and cheaper

You can hope and pray he doesnt make it but Monta Ellis isnt making it. You will see Joe make it.. I can bet you he makes it.

JEDean89
12-24-2012, 12:05 AM
Wade will make it but those other guys are pgs and there is no other sg better than Joe besides Wade.

get it threw your way too thick head that the allstar game format has changed to guards forwards rather than 5 positions. No there aren't many good SG's in the East but there are so many better guards its crazy. Isn't Ellis the starting SG in Milwaukee? Do you watch anyone play other than the Nets?

VillaMaravilla
12-24-2012, 12:06 AM
I wouldnt trade Amare for Pau let alone that POS Johnson....Amare is way better and comes off the books in 2 years, let the Nets rot with JJ for 3years!

VillaMaravilla
12-24-2012, 12:09 AM
You can hope and pray he doesnt make it but Monta Ellis isnt making it. You will see Joe make it.. I can bet you he makes it.

I'll sig bet you Jj Doesn't smell the allstar game, if your so confident let do this! Or are you all talk brah

VillaMaravilla
12-24-2012, 12:11 AM
Amar'e's contract is worse because its uninsured...and he has bad knees as the cherry on top...This isn't about contracts...Both are bad...This is about getting the best out of these two former allstars who are past their prime ...and may not be in the best position with their current teams to flourish...

My dude Amare avg 18 8 last year which was considered an off year lol i'll stick with my over the hill pf if thats what he gives us....

BigBlueCrew
12-24-2012, 12:12 AM
You can hope and pray he doesnt make it but Monta Ellis isnt making it. You will see Joe make it.. I can bet you he makes it.

better not bet too much, you'll be losing a lot of money

First Brook Lopez now Joe Johnson? for a barely above .500 team you have a lot of all-star entries.

JEDean89
12-24-2012, 12:13 AM
Amar'e's contract is worse because its uninsured...and he has bad knees as the cherry on top...This isn't about contracts...Both are bad...This is about getting the best out of these two former allstars who are past their prime ...and may not be in the best position with their current teams to flourish...

when you keep bringing up the value of his expiring, it becomes about contracts

yes Amare's knees are unisured an that is a problem, but you are talking about trading these players in the last year of their contract, so unless Amare is completely unable to play it is not that big of a worry. Now we both no that Jim Dolan and Prokhorov don't care about paying 20 million dollars to a player or insurance paying the money. What they do care about is the salary cap that it takes up on the team and in terms of that, Johnson is much more a detriment. Look at the amnesty clause, owners have demonstrated that they are willing to pay extra money to free up salary space.

i agree that both players aren't in the ideal location, but i don't really think there is an ideal location for Johnson. It's just really really hard to build a contender around such an expensive contract that provides so little production.

amare is coming back next week and is gonna end a lot of arguments for us one way or another. I haven't seem him play a game since May, and he has had yet another surgery. He is however a player that persaveres through injury and is really the poster child of anthroscopic knee surgery. Also at least Amare Stoudemire produces when healthy, look at Johnsons stat line and point out one impressive stat other than his 37% 3 point shooting, which is nothing special.

JEDean89
12-24-2012, 12:14 AM
You can hope and pray he doesnt make it but Monta Ellis isnt making it. You will see Joe make it.. I can bet you he makes it.

Will you put this quote in your signature if your wrong? I'll let you choose a quote of mine to put in my signature if your right.

oak2455
12-24-2012, 12:14 AM
:laugh: OWNED!

This thread is comedy

$GangGr33n$
12-24-2012, 12:15 AM
You can hope and pray he doesnt make it but Monta Ellis isnt making it. You will see Joe make it.. I can bet you he makes it.

Why would I hope and pray he doesnt make it? Its not a big deal and it doesnt show how good a player is. Its just ridiculous that you think Joe Johnson is still a great player. Not a single Net player (besides maybe Deron just cause of his name) will make the ASG this year

JEDean89
12-24-2012, 12:16 AM
This thread is comedy

the onion should use domefavors quotes as headlines

seikou8
12-24-2012, 12:18 AM
This thread is comedy

oak cowboys fan how why

VillaMaravilla
12-24-2012, 12:19 AM
oak cowboys fan how why

I was wondering the same thing lol

bklynny67
12-24-2012, 12:27 AM
Joe is making the all star team this year, name me someone at sg that will make it over him.

You are sounding just as certain as you did before the Knicks and Nets last two matchups when u were saying the Nets will definitely win. Knicks won both including crushing the Nets in their recent game.

Do you remember that?

You are wrong so much more than you're right, it's so funny.

Rocco007
12-24-2012, 12:29 AM
i agree that both players aren't in the ideal location, but i don't really think there is an ideal location for Johnson. It's just really really hard to build a contender around such an expensive contract that provides so little production.

amare is coming back next week and is gonna end a lot of arguments for us one way or another. I haven't seem him play a game since May, and he has had yet another surgery. He is however a player that persaveres through injury and is really the poster child of anthroscopic knee surgery. Also at least Amare Stoudemire produces when healthy, look at Johnsons stat line and point out one impressive stat other than his 37% 3 point shooting, which is nothing special.

You obviously see Amar'e more of a value than most...His problem is that his game is still based on his former athletic self...The guy hasn't evvolved...He occupies the same space as your SGs and SFs....That's why he hasn't been able to gel with Melo...By the way...Joe Johnson is 9-16 from 3 pt range in his last 3 games..

oak2455
12-24-2012, 12:31 AM
oak cowboys fan how why

For a long time :(

bklynny67
12-24-2012, 12:34 AM
You obviously see Amar'e more of a value than most...His problem is that his game is still based on his former athletic self...The guy hasn't evvolved...He occupies the same space as your SGs and SFs....That's why he hasn't been able to gel with Melo...By the way...Joe Johnson is 9-16 from 3 pt range in his last 3 games..

may i just ask why u insist on taking the time in making every post purple? It's really annoying and kinda lame.

yungincome
12-24-2012, 12:36 AM
No

Ebbs
12-24-2012, 12:36 AM
DMF lol

NYKNYGNYY
12-24-2012, 12:37 AM
No we got enough 2 guards ...we have kidd playing the 2 Jr smith who is our 6th man and could start almost anywhere and shump isn't back yet ...plus who knows how long sheed will last

JEDean89
12-24-2012, 12:39 AM
You obviously see Amar'e more of a value than most...His problem is that his game is still based on his former athletic self...The guy hasn't evvolved...He occupies the same space as your SGs and SFs....That's why he hasn't been able to gel with Melo...By the way...Joe Johnson is 9-16 from 3 pt range in his last 3 games..

i don't think many people view Joe Johnson as more of a value, but you are ignoring stat's injury recovery history. like i said even if he is playing like last year he still is giving 18 and 6 with good FG%, that is much better than JJ. Now the knicks are a perimeter team so i don't have any clue what you are talking about with amare taking up the same space. have you watched the knicks play? Only chandler sets up inside the 3 point line with Kidd at the top, 2 wings in either corner and Melo behind the 3 point line between Kidd and one of the wings. Pretty much all plays start like that and some times melo will then go into the high post.

"Joe Johnson is 9-16 from 3 pt range in his last 3 games." Dude, what the hell, you are using a 3 game sample as your closing argument? Your arguments are a house of cards but this is just pathetic. He is shooting 37% from 3 point land this year. :facepalm: i just don't get why a guy who averages such horrible numbers for the money he is payed the minutes he plays and the roll he is would be considered desirable for any team. Do you realize how surprised we all were when a team actually traded for that contract?

29$JerZ
12-24-2012, 12:42 AM
NY would not be that stupid to pull this trade.
And Brooklyn already has some bad defensive players, why add another?

KniCks4LiFe
12-24-2012, 12:45 AM
LMAO :laugh:

This is great for us, why should or would Brooklyn want this?

JJ is a clutch shooter, he's money from the elbow and defends. Stat has bad knees, uninsured knee and doesn't play D other than the occasional pull the chair move and late help D swat.

Rocco007
12-24-2012, 12:46 AM
.

"Joe Johnson is 9-16 from 3 pt range in his last 3 games." Dude, what the hell, you are using a 3 game sample as your closing argument? Your arguments are a house of cards but this is just pathetic. He is shooting 37% from 3 point land this year. :facepalm:

Guess who is a career 33% shooter from 3 pt range?
I'll give you the answer...Carmelo Anthony...I guess you didn't want him either??
My point is scorers are going to shoot...they're going to miss..but they will get hot and win you games when it matters most...Joe Johnson dropped 22 and 7 rebounds today..3-5 from 3pt range...

JEDean89
12-24-2012, 12:56 AM
Guess who is a career 33% shooter from 3 pt range?
I'll give you the answer...Carmelo Anthony...I guess you didn't want him either??
My point is scorers are going to shoot...they're going to miss..but they will get hot and win you games when it matters most...Joe Johnson dropped 22 and 7 rebounds today..3-5 from 3pt range...

dude... you just don't get it :facepalm: you can't use such a small sample size. now please don't try and put words in my mouth, it is a desperate debate tactic that is very childish. i don't believe i've mentioned melo so lets leave him out of this but a 27 game sample size is a lot better to use than a 3 game of even 1 game sample size.

now you call joe johnson a scorer but he hasn't been a good one in years. it's hard to tell if you're serious about what you are saying. If you are joking, you need to be a little more clear about it, if you are serious, then there is no point in me trying to explain this to you.

Nets have Blatche Humphries and Evans at PF, why add a 4th?
Knicks have Kidd (starting SG), JR, Shumpert and Brewer who play the 2, why add a 5th?

you say Johnson will get hot and win you games when it matters most but he isn't winning very many games.

oak2455
12-24-2012, 12:57 AM
LMAO :laugh:

This is great for us, why should or would Brooklyn want this?

JJ is a clutch shooter, he's money from the elbow and defends. Stat has bad knees, uninsured knee and doesn't play D other than the occasional pull the chair move and late help D swat.

Yet JJ has another year .... No thnx

Will 2 BE
12-24-2012, 01:01 AM
Knicks have enough shooters, we need guys who rebound and defend the post

Rocco007
12-24-2012, 01:01 AM
dude... you just don't get it :facepalm: you can't use such a small sample size. now please don't try and put words in my mouth, it is a desperate debate tactic that is very childish. i don't believe i've mentioned melo so lets leave him out of this but a 27 game sample size is a lot better to use than a 3 game of even 1 game sample size..

Ok Carmelo is a career 33% shooter from 3pt range and Joe Johnson is a career 37% shooter from 3pt range...

KniCks4LiFe
12-24-2012, 01:02 AM
Yet JJ has another year .... No thnx

JJ is healthy. JJ's contract at end is horrible but he'd be a better player to add then to keep Stoudamire. He won't get in Melo's way, you'd have defense and offense from the 2 elbow spots w/ Melo and JJ. Stat will either end up on the bench or get traded. This isn't happening so it's all mute.

JEDean89
12-24-2012, 01:03 AM
Ok Carmelo is a career 33% shooter from 3pt range and Joe Johnson is a career 37% shooter from 3pt range...

we aren't talking about melo! what the **** do you not understand? you brought melo up for no reason and i said to stay on topic. you are running out of arguments so quick that you are forcing tangents that are completely irrelevant to what we are talking about.

JEDean89
12-24-2012, 01:04 AM
Ok Carmelo is a career 33% shooter from 3pt range and Joe Johnson is a career 37% shooter from 3pt range...

and you really, really don't want to turn this into a Joe Johnson vs Carmelo Anthony thread.

Robbw241
12-24-2012, 01:08 AM
we aren't talking about melo! what the **** do you not understand? you brought melo up for no reason and i said to stay on topic. you are running out of arguments so quick that you are forcing tangents that are completely irrelevant to what we are talking about.

I think what he is saying is that 37% 3 point shooting is not a terrible percentage.

JEDean89
12-24-2012, 01:11 AM
I think what he is saying is that 37% 3 point shooting is not a terrible percentage.

did anyone ever say it wasn't? i said very clearly that the only impressive part of his stat line this year was his 37% from deep and i asked him to find me another part of his stat line other than his 3 point % that was impressive. his answer?

joe johnson is 9-16 from deep in his last 3 games. pathetic huh?

cubs1st
12-24-2012, 01:18 AM
Melo isn't a shooting guard...

Rocco007
12-24-2012, 01:21 AM
did anyone ever say it wasn't? i said very clearly that the only impressive part of his stat line this year was his 37% from deep and i asked him to find me another part of his stat line other than his 3 point % that was impressive. his answer?

joe johnson is 9-16 from deep in his last 3 games. pathetic huh?

Again, you're over-valuing Amar'e...there shouldn't be a litmist test for Joe Johnson when Amar'e isn't impressive anymore either..

KniCks4LiFe
12-24-2012, 01:21 AM
Melo isn't a shooting guard...

what does that have to do w/ anything?

NYYCowboys
12-24-2012, 01:23 AM
JJ I think is the worst contract in the game. He got more money than Lebron, Wade, Bosh, and Amare that summer. He doesn't even have a 15 PER (league average).

Amare had one bad, injury riddled season. He still put up 18 and 8. Yeah his defense sucks, but he's a huge asset to a team if he's willing to be an offensive force off the bench.

Kashmir13579
12-24-2012, 01:25 AM
scrub

oak2455
12-24-2012, 01:26 AM
JJ is healthy. JJ's contract at end is horrible but he'd be a better player to add then to keep Stoudamire. He won't get in Melo's way, you'd have defense and offense from the 2 elbow spots w/ Melo and JJ. Stat will either end up on the bench or get traded. This isn't happening so it's all mute.

Stat off the bench

JEDean89
12-24-2012, 01:26 AM
Again, you're over-valuing Amar'e...there shouldn't be a litmist test for Joe Johnson when Amar'e isn't impressive anymore..

i'm not overvaluing amare by saying that when healthy, is a better fit on the knicks than joe johnson and that is contract is more desirable than Joe Johnsons. Amare isn't impressing anymore because he is injured, what on earth are you trying to say. Is Joe Johnson impressing you? How does me saying that adding Joe Johnson to the plethra of wing players and shooters on this team overvalue Amare? I need to get in contact with your weed guy.

oak2455
12-24-2012, 01:27 AM
scrub

Kash!!!!!

KniCks4LiFe
12-24-2012, 01:27 AM
JJ I think is the worst contract in the game. He got more money than Lebron, Wade, Bosh, and Amare that summer. He doesn't even have a 15 PER (league average).

Amare had one bad, injury riddled season. He still put up 18 and 8. Yeah his defense sucks, but he's a huge asset to a team if he's willing to be an offensive force off the bench.

JJ would stay healthier than him. And you'd have 2 closers in Melo and JJ. It'd never happen, and that contract of JJ at the end is turrrr-ble but man that would not be a beatable combo. You stick Melo which is not easy to do and his B option would be JJ from the elbow. That's sick. It's basically your own answer to Wade and LeBron. But this would never happen b/c it's not the greatest need for either team.

Knicks need rebounding bigs and tough ones, b/c Chandler is wearing down to early.

Nets need shooters like no tomorrow. B/c they have no one besides Joe Johnson and CJ watson that could stick a 3 pt shot.


Stat off the bench

his knees and back whether bench or starting are not there for day to day mins. I'm afraid he's nearing the end.

oak2455
12-24-2012, 01:29 AM
JJ would stay healthier than him. And you'd have 2 closers in Melo and JJ. It'd never happen, and that contract of JJ at the end is turrrr-ble but man that would not be a beatable combo. You stick Melo which is not easy to do and his B option would be JJ from the elbow. That's sick. It's basically your own answer to Wade and LeBron. But this would never happen b/c it's not the greatest need for either team.

Knicks need rebounding bigs and tough ones, b/c Chandler is wearing down to early.

Nets need shooters like no tomorrow. B/c they have no one besides Joe Johnson and CJ watson that could stick a 3 pt shot.

CJ is a waste of space

NYYCowboys
12-24-2012, 01:30 AM
JJ would stay healthier than him. And you'd have 2 closers in Melo and JJ. It'd never happen, and that contract of JJ at the end is turrrr-ble but man that would not be a beatable combo. You stick Melo which is not easy to do and his B option would be JJ from the elbow. That's sick. It's basically your own answer to Wade and LeBron. But this would never happen b/c it's not the greatest need for either team.

Knicks need rebounding bigs and tough ones, b/c Chandler is wearing down to early.

Nets need shooters like no tomorrow. B/c they have no one besides Joe Johnson and CJ watson that could stick a 3 pt shot.

Melo and JJ would our answer to Wade and Lebron???? Lol.

Kashmir13579
12-24-2012, 01:33 AM
Kash!!!!!

wassup baby go knicks!!! :D

GiantsSwaGG
12-24-2012, 01:36 AM
LMAO :laugh:

This is great for us, why should or would Brooklyn want this?

JJ is a clutch shooter, he's money from the elbow and defends. Stat has bad knees, uninsured knee and doesn't play D other than the occasional pull the chair move and late help D swat.

I guess you haven't watched him in the playoffs :facepalm:

Rocco007
12-24-2012, 01:36 AM
i'm not overvaluing amare by saying that when healthy, is a better fit on the knicks than joe johnson and that is contract is more desirable than Joe Johnsons. Amare isn't impressing anymore because he is injured, what on earth are you trying to say. Is Joe Johnson impressing you? How does me saying that adding Joe Johnson to the plethra of wing players and shooters on this team overvalue Amare? I need to get in contact with your weed guy.

Okay my friend...I don't have time for childish bantering...we'll agree to disagree...

WES KOAST
12-24-2012, 01:39 AM
They both suk

JEDean89
12-24-2012, 01:40 AM
Okay my friend...I don't have time for childish bantering...we'll agree to disagree...

wow, that's all you have done in this thread. but sure agree to disagree, amare will be back soon enough and this will be settled. amare will not be an MVP candidate upon return but expect around 20 and 8 this year on at least upper 40's % shooting. that is, too me, when coupled with the contract situation, far more valuable then adding another wing player.

KniCks4LiFe
12-24-2012, 01:40 AM
I guess you haven't watched him in the playoffs :facepalm:

playoffs can change at a given moment. Last yr. James Harden sucked in the finals, you'd reject that? JJ career in the playoffs is a 41% shooter. He once shot 43% 2 seasons ago under Mike Woodson. He once shot 50% 7 yrs. ago.

I didn't say I'd make it. I said in the scenerio that this would happen we'd get the better end of the deal. B/c Stat isn't guaranteed to play for the length of his career and Joe Johnson has the ability to carry a team. Not that I would make this deal.:facepalm:

xxplayerxx23
12-24-2012, 01:40 AM
joe dosn't hurt his own team like amare does.

Joe has been horrible and doesn't fit with deron because he doesn't know how to play withou the ball

oak2455
12-24-2012, 01:42 AM
wassup baby go knicks!!! :D

Yeah buddy!!!

oak2455
12-24-2012, 01:43 AM
I guess you haven't watched him in the playoffs :facepalm:

Playoffs did you say playoffs ???

xxplayerxx23
12-24-2012, 01:43 AM
How the **** Is that a fit for either team what a joke, Johnson sucks amare isn't the same there aren't a need. Knicks get killed on the boards but yeah get another sg sure

KniCks4LiFe
12-24-2012, 01:47 AM
How the **** Is that a fit for either team what a joke, Johnson sucks amare isn't the same there aren't a need. Knicks get killed on the boards but yeah get another sg sure

they aren't that's why it wouldn't happen. It's a stretch but JJ would fit us offensively but not for what we truely need which is an interior rebounding/scoring/defending big.

xxplayerxx23
12-24-2012, 02:49 AM
they aren't that's why it wouldn't happen. It's a stretch but JJ would fit us offensively but not for what we truely need which is an interior rebounding/scoring/defending big.

Amare is what we need. Watch when he comes back. Jj needs the ball in hi hands to do something and sure as hell wouldn't come off the bench.

c.c.
12-24-2012, 03:38 AM
Why not, both of them are overrated and over paid!

JordansBulls
12-25-2012, 11:22 AM
Boozer for JJ is the perfect deal for the Bulls.

DoMeFavors
12-25-2012, 11:25 AM
Boozer for JJ is the perfect deal for the Bulls.

Bulls offered him a contract he declined

dannybfast24
12-25-2012, 11:46 AM
The nets did the hawks a huge favor taking johnson, next year could be big for them , with the cap space

knickfan33
12-25-2012, 11:47 AM
How the hell does this make sense for the knicks? I'd rather have amare just for the body alone.... Knicks need depth at big man positions right now, not guards

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-25-2012, 12:13 PM
Boozer for JJ is the perfect deal for the Bulls.

Yet non beneficial to the Nets.....

D-Leethal
12-25-2012, 12:28 PM
We need a F/C who can score off the bench and play 30+ MPG. Amare fits nicely there.

MR.TRIPDUB
12-25-2012, 12:50 PM
Seriously though Knicks would have to throw in Shumpert for me to even consider it.
Why not ask for melo too? Maybe even a foot rub?