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JerseyPalahniuk
12-21-2012, 07:54 PM
5 panelists had 5 different answers - all 5 were centers. None were Dwight Howard:


Haberstroh: Tim Duncan. Could also go with Joakim Noah here, but Duncan is somehow averaging 2.6 blocks per game at age 36 while anchoring the Spurs' seventh-ranked defense. Dwight Howard and Tyson Chandler don't play for above-average defensive teams, so it's hard to justify their vote so far. Tony Allen, LeBron James and Serge Ibaka also have a case, but Duncan's my pick.

Levy: Roy Hibbert. His offense has been bad, like Derrick Martin-bad, but the Pacers are above .500 in large part because of Hibbert's interior defense. The Pacers have the second-most efficient defense in the league and are holding opponents to 59.8 percent shooting at the rim. Now if Hibbert could just get a hook shot to drop.

Nowell: Tyson Chandler. While some of the usual stalwarts are not submitting seasons quite up to the honor, Chandler remains as steady an anchor as ever. While much of his improvement has come on the offensive end of the floor, this guy is captaining a defense whose other components are either 50 years old or Carmelo Anthony.

Strauss: Marc Gasol. Tony Allen gets much of the Internet love, but Gasol is the defensive foundation in Memphis. The nimble 7-foot Spaniard does much to allow the Grizzlies' aggressive pressure defense. With Marc backing up feisty guards, the blue bear has the No. 1-ranked defense so far.

Young: Noah. He's a one-man wrecking crew. With his energy, intensity and effort, Noah is involved on every possession, contesting shots, blocking others and grabbing rebounds. The Bulls are firmly planted near the top of the league again in defensive efficiency, and while Tom Thibodeau's system gets a lot of the credit, Noah's actually on the floor making it happen.

Who ya got?

Im_in_Mia_bish
12-21-2012, 07:55 PM
Really in awe at what the oldies are doing.

tripleplay2007
12-21-2012, 08:01 PM
Tyson Chandlers been playing some shut down D all year, most efficient guy in the league. I wish the Thunder had him :((

Stuckey#3
12-21-2012, 08:02 PM
Dark-horse candidate: Larry Sanders

Patrick Ewing33
12-21-2012, 08:04 PM
Tyson Chandler annoys me sometimes, although he's my favorite knick. he can be very soft in the post.

BcEuAbRsS
12-21-2012, 08:07 PM
I say Noah. Because I'm a homer when it comes to him.

ILLUSIONIST^248
12-21-2012, 08:08 PM
I say Noah. Because I'm a homer when it comes to him.

Lol. He is a very solid defender though.

YoungOne
12-21-2012, 08:13 PM
heard a stat dunno if true: celtics with KG on the floor best opp FG% without him worst opp FG% of the league.
Thats says something.

Anji
12-21-2012, 08:17 PM
I think Noah has been big defensively.

DaBUU
12-21-2012, 08:35 PM
I'm gonna also homer it up and say Jo, but they all deserve consideration. Noah vs. Chandler tonight.

Chill_Will_24
12-21-2012, 08:54 PM
Omer Asik

FOXHOUND
12-21-2012, 08:59 PM
As a Knicks fan I'll say Chandler hasn't played to a level that he would deserve it, so far.

I don't think there's any front runner so far, but I think what Hibbert is doing defensively has been remarkable, and highly unnoticed.

Blitzbolt
12-21-2012, 09:00 PM
Grizzlies are the number 1 defense in the NBA giving up under 90 points a game(no one else is even close).

Number 1 in steals and force turnovers.

Number 2 in opp FG%.

But I have to give the credit to Tony Allen(especially) and Mike Conley,,,, Marc Gasol has the back.


I just don't know what else Tony Allen has to do to get it he does everything he could possible do yet they always give it to a Center.

Nyc4You
12-21-2012, 09:10 PM
Nowell: Tyson Chandler. While some of the usual stalwarts are not submitting seasons quite up to the honor, Chandler remains as steady an anchor as ever. While much of his improvement has come on the offensive end of the floor, this guy is captaining a defense whose other components are either 50 years old or Carmelo Anthony.

****ing troll

FOXHOUND
12-21-2012, 09:24 PM
****ing troll

Yeah, that guy is clearly a ****. Tyson hasn't even been playing at a DPOY level so far, that guy doesn't even know what's going on.

JasonJohnHorn
12-21-2012, 09:27 PM
No love for Ibaka? What does this guy have to do to get some recognition?

And for the sake of the defensive guards who NEVER seem to get any love, I'll also throw in a nomination for CP3.


And among rookies Drummond deserves some mention.

b@llhog24
12-21-2012, 10:41 PM
Marc.

Chronz
12-21-2012, 10:51 PM
****ing troll

Hes right on homer

Kyben36
12-21-2012, 11:19 PM
NOt chandler, there defense isnt that good,

not Duncan IMO,

Not mark Gasol.

Not Roy Hibert.

IMO, its going to Noah, James, Ibaka, or Maybe Dwight.

Catfish1314
12-21-2012, 11:25 PM
Noah is legitimately in the discussion. His defensive impact for the Bulls in years past has been overstated and Deng has usually been the most important defensive player for Chicago, but he's been fantastic defensively this year and the metrics support it.

I'm not saying he is or isn't better than guys like Tyson Chandler, but through the first 25 or so games he has been better.

FOXHOUND
12-21-2012, 11:27 PM
NOt chandler, there defense isnt that good,

not Duncan IMO,

Not mark Gasol.

Not Roy Hibert.

IMO, its going to Noah, James, Ibaka, or Maybe Dwight.

Not Chandler, because the Knicks defense isn't that good.

But LeBron and maybe Dwight? They've played good good individual D, and their defense is good?

FOXHOUND
12-21-2012, 11:27 PM
Hes right on homer

Are you suggesting he's a homer to Melo and is trying to knock Chandler?

Chronz
12-21-2012, 11:34 PM
Are you suggesting he's a homer to Melo and is trying to knock Chandler?

Im saying the author hes calling out is no more a troll than he is a homer

FOXHOUND
12-21-2012, 11:37 PM
Im saying the author hes calling out is no more a troll than he is a homer

I see. I'm guessing you two have some sort of history lol.

JerseyPalahniuk
12-22-2012, 12:59 AM
Really in awe at what the oldies are doing.

Duncan's the only "oldie" here. Chandler just turned 30.

brewboy288
12-22-2012, 02:51 AM
Dwight Howard: 37.6 MPG 12.2 RPG 2.6 BPG

Larry Sanders: 23.8 MPG 7.7 RPG 3.0 BPG

I would imagine if Sanders gets more minutes his numbers improve. Hes putting up more blocks than Howard, and thats what got Howard his awards in the past. Just throwing it out there.

PacersForLife
12-22-2012, 03:09 AM
Roy Hibbert has really went under the radar this year because he has sucked on offense until lately. He has been a monster on defense though.

Swashcuff
12-22-2012, 09:30 AM
Marc Gasol for me on this one

waveycrockett
12-22-2012, 09:37 AM
Tyson Chandler? lulz The Obvious answer here is Noah if we are talking just centers

D-Leethal
12-22-2012, 01:40 PM
Noah

Mr_Amaziing
12-22-2012, 11:07 PM
Ibaka & Noah

Teeboy1487
12-22-2012, 11:14 PM
Noah clearly imo.

Baller1
12-22-2012, 11:15 PM
I'll say Noah.

Bruno
12-22-2012, 11:20 PM
i'm leaning noah, have been all season. several guys have legit cases, it's turning out to be one of those years. no clear run-aways yet.

NYTHRILLZ97
12-22-2012, 11:30 PM
Hibbert, Tony Allen, kobe, or Ibaka

Lakers + Giants
12-22-2012, 11:33 PM
Hibbert, Tony Allen, kobe, or Ibaka

Kobe's lazy on D. He didn't even deserve his last few All Defensive teams.

Nyc4You
12-23-2012, 01:08 AM
Hes right on homer


homer
Someone who shows blind loyalty to a team or organization, typically ignoring any shortcomings or faults they have.

Soooo how am i homer:facepalm: Chandler doesn't deserve DPOY this year with the way he plays (compared to last year) sometimes. The analyst is saying chandler has to work harder because of melo, but that is complete bs.


Nice try though genius :rolleyes:

Chronz
12-23-2012, 01:10 AM
Soooo how am i homer:facepalm: Chandler doesn't deserve DPOY this year with the way he plays (compared to last year) sometimes. The analyst is saying chandler has to work harder because of melo, but that is complete bs.


Nice try though genius :rolleyes:

Sorry homer but I see through your attempts to prop up your boy Melo.

Nyc4You
12-23-2012, 01:11 AM
Sorry homer but I see through your attempts to prop up your boy Melo.

Is melo a liability on defense this year?

Chronz
12-23-2012, 01:18 AM
Is melo a liability on defense this year?
Hes certainly not an asset because hes not a true 4 on defense. Combined with the loss of Shump and additional old legs on the roster, Id say TC has alot more on his plate compared to last year.

Nyc4You
12-23-2012, 01:20 AM
Hes certainly not an asset because hes not a true 4 on defense. Combined with the loss of Shump and additional old legs on the roster, Id say TC has alot more on his plate compared to last year.

Nice way of dodging the question.... Once again is he a liability on the defensive end ?

Chronz
12-23-2012, 01:30 AM
Nice way of dodging the question.... Once again is he a liability on the defensive end ?

I thought I summed it up pretty succinctly, hes not an asset but if you want a specific range, that means hes at best mediocre, at worst a slight liability but overall below average-average.

I understand hes putting forth more effort, when his mind is right hes always been a strong rebounder and individual defender, but hes playing a position that requires more than hes accustomed to.

If you still think Im dodging the question then we clearly cant communicate with each other.

Nyc4You
12-23-2012, 01:55 AM
I thought I summed it up pretty succinctly, hes not an asset but if you want a specific range, that means hes at best mediocre, at worst a slight liability but overall below average-average.

I understand hes putting forth more effort, when his mind is right hes always been a strong rebounder and individual defender, but hes playing a position that requires more than hes accustomed to.

If you still think Im dodging the question then we clearly cant communicate with each other.

Fair enough.

The analyst is trying to justify his selection of chandler by criticizing melo's defense. Anyone who has watched a knick game this year can tell that melo has improved defensively. Picking Chandler just because of melo is ridiculous and uncalled for.

Chronz
12-23-2012, 02:12 AM
Fair enough.

The analyst is trying to justify his selection of chandler by criticizing melo's defense. Anyone who has watched a knick game this year can tell that melo has improved defensively. Picking Chandler just because of melo is ridiculous and uncalled for.

I disagree, its based on the fact that Melo isn't up to sniff as a 4-man defensively. However minor of a role, it still factors into the help responsibilities TC has to worry about.

LoveMeOrHateMe
12-23-2012, 02:39 AM
Metta world peace