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KnicksorBust
12-16-2012, 08:45 PM
Carmelo Anthony in 2006:

80 games
averaged 27ppg / 5rpg / 3apg on 56% TS% with a PER of 22.0

Has there ever been a player who had a more impressive end of season statline that did not even make the all-star team?

IndyRealist
12-16-2012, 09:10 PM
Aside from the volume of points, what's impressive about that stat line?

asandhu23
12-16-2012, 09:13 PM
Worst snub ever? no.
Other players who have done better? Most definitely.

b@llhog24
12-16-2012, 09:14 PM
Manu in 2007 or 08 comes to mind.

KnicksorBust
12-16-2012, 09:25 PM
Aside from the volume of points, what's impressive about that stat line?

Scoring 27ppg effeciently doesn't do it for you? :laugh2:

KnicksorBust
12-16-2012, 09:27 PM
Worst snub ever? no.

Not the question.


Other players who have done better? Most definitely.

Then it must be easy for you to name them.

chicagocubsfan
12-16-2012, 09:28 PM
We get it, Melo is the GOAT.

KnicksorBust
12-16-2012, 09:29 PM
Manu in 2007 or 08 comes to mind.

Manu in 2008 is a good example. Manu in 2007 is not.

mjt20mik
12-16-2012, 09:29 PM
JSmoove last year.

FriedTofuz
12-16-2012, 09:30 PM
wow 27 ppg an didnt make the all star team? Okay, That is a huge snub. yeah, who got snubbed harder? Melo is the MVP in the league right now. I dont even understand how the knicks are so good this year. All they really have is , kidd/felton/ and no amare, and melo going to work. Melo is a boss right now LOL

FriedTofuz
12-16-2012, 09:30 PM
jsmoth last year, but 27 ppg is way harder snubbed

KnicksorBust
12-16-2012, 09:30 PM
We get it, Melo is the GOAT.

:laugh: I get why this reaction happened but it's misplaced. I'm actually much more interested in hearing about great "lost" seasons by guys who didn't make the all-star team.

IndyRealist
12-16-2012, 09:31 PM
Hakeem in 1991 averaged 21.2ppg, 13.8rpg, and led the league with 3.9bpg, on 55.3 TS%. The West all star centers were David Robinson and Kevin Duckworth.

KnicksorBust
12-16-2012, 09:32 PM
JSmoove last year.

His scoring effeciency was pathetic and his defensive synergy numbers were terrible. I'm not even sure you can call him a snub let alone having the "best season ever."

IndyRealist
12-16-2012, 09:33 PM
Scoring 27ppg effeciently doesn't do it for you? :laugh2:

So he underperforms in virtually every other area and didn't play a lick of defense at the time, and that's deserving of an all-star selection? Because he scored a lot?

KnicksorBust
12-16-2012, 09:34 PM
Hakeem in 1991 averaged 21.2ppg, 13.8rpg, and led the league with 3.9bpg, on 55.3 TS%. The West all star centers were David Robinson and Kevin Duckworth.

Now that's how it's done boys and girls. Hakeem made 12 all-star teams in 13 seasons yet missed in 1991 because of injury.

Raps18-19 Champ
12-16-2012, 09:36 PM
Kevin Love was almost one during the 10-11 season but he replaced Yao Ming.

Averaged 21.4 PPG and 15.5 RPG by the All Star break.

KnicksorBust
12-16-2012, 09:39 PM
So he underperforms in virtually every other area and didn't play a lick of defense at the time, and that's deserving of an all-star selection? Because he scored a lot?

How is 5rpg underperforming for a SF? In fact, 3apg isn't underperforming either. They put him as either average or slightly above average for his position.

KnicksorBust
12-16-2012, 09:39 PM
Kevin Love was almost one during the 10-11 season but he replaced Yao Ming.

Averaged 21.4 PPG and 15.5 RPG by the All Star break.

Yeah and this was almost a good post.

Raps18-19 Champ
12-16-2012, 09:42 PM
Yeah and this was almost a good post.

:laugh2:

Dirk Nowitzki averaged 22 and 9 in 2001 with a 23 PER, 60TS% and 14.6 Win Share.

KnicksorBust
12-16-2012, 09:45 PM
Now you're talking. 14.6 win shares is quality.

IndyRealist
12-16-2012, 09:46 PM
Alonzo Mourning's rookie year, 22.3ppg, 11rpg, 3.7bpg, 58.6 TS%

Raps18-19 Champ
12-16-2012, 09:49 PM
Reggie Miler in 1990-1991.

23 PPG, 4 RPG, 3 APG, 65TS% and 12.5 WS.

KnicksorBust
12-16-2012, 09:59 PM
Alonzo Mourning's rookie year, 22.3ppg, 11rpg, 3.7bpg, 58.6 TS%

Another good one because you know with Hakeem and Zo you were also getting elite defense combined with these good raw offensive stats.

IndyRealist
12-16-2012, 10:03 PM
Reggie Miller 1991, 22.6ppg, 3.4rpg, 4.0apg, led the league with 91.8% FT and 65% TS. Played all 82 games with a 22.5% usage.

Edit: someone beat me to it! :)

KnicksorBust
12-16-2012, 10:07 PM
Raps beats "Indy" Realist to Reggie...ouch

b@llhog24
12-16-2012, 10:33 PM
KoB you want me to finish off the thread or just let everyone keep guessing?

JordansBulls
12-16-2012, 10:41 PM
Melo is just the most underrated star we have in this league. The dude is a stud. He just didn't come in with the hype. He also got shafted with ROY as well.

Raps18-19 Champ
12-16-2012, 10:53 PM
Melo is just the most underrated star we have in this league. The dude is a stud. He just didn't come in with the hype. He also got shafted with ROY as well.

Go in the Knicks forum. They call him MVP.

JordansBulls
12-16-2012, 10:55 PM
Go in the Knicks forum. They call him MVP.

It's like Dominique in 1986 or 1987.

D-Leethal
12-16-2012, 10:56 PM
Not the best but another example is 07-08 Deron Williams.

82 GP, 19 PPG 10.5 APG 3 RPG, 59.5 TS%, 20.8 PER.

D-Leethal
12-16-2012, 10:57 PM
Go in the Knicks forum. They call him MVP.

As does most of the basketball media and every single opposing star player he torches in post games.

Quinnsanity
12-16-2012, 10:57 PM
If you wanted a serious answer you shouldn't have listed Melo. The instant he gets mentioned every dumbass knicks hater on this site has to have their say.

Raps18-19 Champ
12-16-2012, 10:59 PM
It's like Dominique in 1986 or 1987.

He's not underrated when fans are calling him MVP and constantly make him an all star starter.

D-Leethal
12-16-2012, 11:02 PM
He's not underrated when fans are calling him MVP and constantly make him an all star starter.

Something tells me he wasn't implying that Melo is underrated in the eyes of New York Knicks fans.

Raps18-19 Champ
12-16-2012, 11:14 PM
Something tells me he wasn't implying that Melo is underrated in the eyes of New York Knicks fans.

With JB you never know what he's thinking.

Il Mago50
12-16-2012, 11:19 PM
DJ Mbenga in like every season of his career

JNA17
12-17-2012, 12:08 AM
Josh Smith says hello.

In fact, Josh Smith for the last few seasons say Hi. (**** Horford and/or Joe Johnson)

THE MTL
12-17-2012, 12:33 AM
Def one of the biggest snubs of all time. But at least they got it correct the next year. But Josh Smith been getting snubbed for a few years now, I hope the coaches finally get it right this time around. He deserves to be a first time allstar more than anyone else in the league.

tredigs
12-17-2012, 12:47 AM
These snubs mean nothing without the context of who it is that was voted/picked over them.

tapajafri
12-17-2012, 04:04 AM
Mike Bibby got snubbed 2003-2006. That's why people think he's one of the best PG's to never make the all star team. Andre Miller is also right up there.

Chronz
12-17-2012, 04:23 AM
By snubbed do you mean guys who were worthy of making it but lost out to an inferior player or do you mean best seasons from non-all-stars?

Chronz
12-17-2012, 04:29 AM
Melo may have one of the better non-allstar seasons but it doesnt appear to be a snub. Same thing with Deron Williams all those years ago. I remember that season vividly, the Nuggs were underachieving and Melo wasn't playing as well to start to the year. Then he got shut down silly by Ross/Mobley

naps
12-17-2012, 04:29 AM
delete

mjt20mik
12-17-2012, 05:33 AM
His scoring effeciency was pathetic and his defensive synergy numbers were terrible. I'm not even sure you can call him a snub let alone having the "best season ever."

His PER was close to the best he had in his career. His TS may have been down, but his DWS was also pretty close to his highest.

And compared to guys like Deng and Bosh, Jsmoove had way better numbers and advanced stats.

So yes, he did get snubbed.

KnicksorBust
12-17-2012, 05:59 AM
KoB you want me to finish off the thread or just let everyone keep guessing?

If you can. :)

KnicksorBust
12-17-2012, 06:02 AM
By snubbed do you mean guys who were worthy of making it but lost out to an inferior player or do you mean best seasons from non-all-stars?

bold.

yaswaggin
12-17-2012, 10:19 AM
all-stars are required to play a little thing called "defense"

corytwotimes
12-17-2012, 10:52 AM
I'm a bulls and bobcats fan, i could care less about melo and the knicks....BUT, if you know anything about basketball, u know that carmelo is a top 3 candidate for MVP this year, its not even debatable.

Baller1
12-17-2012, 01:29 PM
Harden last season.

heyman321
12-17-2012, 02:08 PM
Bargnani last season.

mavwar53
12-17-2012, 02:27 PM
all-stars are required to play a little thing called "defense"

Are they?

valade16
12-17-2012, 02:45 PM
all-stars are required to play a little thing called "defense"

Really? Tell that to Steve Nash...

Becks2307
12-17-2012, 02:54 PM
all-stars are required to play a little thing called "defense"

HAHAHAH

David Lee made the all star team so has Nash multiple times.

True Sports Fan
12-17-2012, 04:15 PM
Surprised no one has said the G.O.A.T, White Mamba.

D-Leethal
12-17-2012, 04:28 PM
all-stars are required to play a little thing called "defense"

Since when?

NoahH
12-17-2012, 04:37 PM
Hakeem in 1991 averaged 21.2ppg, 13.8rpg, and led the league with 3.9bpg, on 55.3 TS%. The West all star centers were David Robinson and Kevin Duckworth.

Eye injury so he barely played that year

sep11ie
12-17-2012, 04:53 PM
James Harden: this year.

2-ONE-5
12-17-2012, 05:20 PM
well for starters teh all star game is played at/around the halfway mark. You should have posted his line from that half of the season because the second half of it is irrelevant.

quade36
12-17-2012, 05:41 PM
Dominique Wilkins 84-85 season.

27.4 PPG 6.9 RPG

Kiki Vandeweghe 86-87 season.

26.9 PPG

World Be Free 78-79 season.

28.8 PPG

Kelly Tripucka 82-83 season.

26.5 PPG

Dale Ellis 87-88 season.

25.8 PPG

Purvis Short 84-85 season.

28.0 PPG

I am sure I can find others, but lets not single Anthony out here (i.e. the thread would be a good topic if the start of it wasn't so fixated on Anthony.) Others in the past have been snubbed just as much as him.

Chronz
12-17-2012, 05:47 PM
Pippen that one year was easily better than the Melo/Deron examples

bagwell368
12-17-2012, 06:34 PM
Horace Grant 1991-1992.

mjt20mik
12-17-2012, 06:58 PM
Melo had a good (if not great) season that year, but the other All-stars that were selected (i.e. Marion and Allen) had better PER and TS ratings.

Saying that Josh Smith didn't deserved it last year, when his PER and TS were loads above Deng and Bosh is just stupid.

Swashcuff
12-17-2012, 07:04 PM
Melo had a good (if not great) season that year, but the other All-stars that were selected (i.e. Marion and Allen) had better PER and TS ratings.

Saying that Josh Smith didn't deserved it last year, when his PER and TS were loads above Deng and Bosh is just stupid.

There is more to basketball than just stats, however I don't even need to look at the #s to tell you that Bosh was better than Smith's across the board as a #3 option when Smith was chucking the ball like a #1 all season long. Deng you have a point but Bosh none whatsoever.

DeRaptor95
12-17-2012, 07:11 PM
How come noone mentioned Brian Scalabrine? / thread

mjt20mik
12-17-2012, 07:13 PM
There is more to basketball than just stats, however I don't even need to look at the #s to tell you that Bosh was better than Smith's across the board as a #3 option when Smith was chucking the ball like a #1 all season long. Deng you have a point but Bosh none whatsoever.

OK there are several factors that you can analyze. However, not everyone has the luxury of playing with Lebron and Wade. Numbers wise, Bosh only had a minute advantage over Smith in FG% (in the 0.01 range) and in FT% (which was significant). Minutes were the same, and Smith averaged 1 more shot than Bosh a game. However, he beat Bosh in scoring, rebounds, steals, assists, blocks as well as the advance stats that I listed before.

He should have made it over both of them, hands down.

sep11ie
12-17-2012, 07:20 PM
Surprised no one has said the G.O.A.T, White Mamba.


How come noone mentioned Brian Scalabrine? / thread

He did at 2:15 yesterday...

noodle
12-17-2012, 07:26 PM
Go in the Knicks forum. They call him MVP.

Go in the Raptors forum. You'll hear crickets.

mjt20mik
12-17-2012, 07:28 PM
Go in the Raptors forum. You'll hear crickets.

It's actually one of the more populated areas of these forums. Shows how much you know.

:facepalm:

ManRam
12-17-2012, 07:32 PM
Melo is just the most underrated star we have in this league. The dude is a stud. He just didn't come in with the hype. He also got shafted with ROY as well.

He's as overrated by vast majority of the world as he is underrated by another vast majority.

Like almost every other player, he's both overrated and underrated at the same time. The extremes for him just are a bit more pronounced.


Ryan Anderson 2012-2013 season will fit this to a tee ;)


I can't think of any off the top of my head...maybe I'll do some searching.

Swashcuff
12-17-2012, 07:49 PM
OK there are several factors that you can analyze. However, not everyone has the luxury of playing with Lebron and Wade. Numbers wise, Bosh only had a minute advantage over Smith in FG% (in the 0.01 range) and in FT% (which was significant). Minutes were the same, and Smith averaged 1 more shot than Bosh a game. However, he beat Bosh in scoring, rebounds, steals, assists, blocks as well as the advance stats that I listed before.

He should have made it over both of them, hands down.

Bosh was a significantly better shooter from the field and was a more consistent scorer as well. Smith had Bosh in terms of PER because as you mentioned he was had Bosh in terms of blocks, steals, assists and rebounds.

Bosh was a MUCH more efficient scorer boasting a TS% of greater than 55% while Smith was notoriously inefficient being one of the worst jumpers (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&year_id=2012&is_playoffs=N&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=JUMP_SHOT&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q1=Y&q2=Y&q3=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg) in the entire league, while Bosh's jumper was better than that of Kobe's, Irving, Harden etc. Their WS/48 also weren't comparable as Bosh had a solid edge in that department.

Correction as well Smith 2.5 more shots a game than Bosh not 1. Bosh's numbers were hurt as a result of playing with LeBron James and Wade as both his scoring and rebounding went down since joining Miami while his D has grown exponentially.

If that in itself doesn't sell you here is the kicker.

Pre ASG #s


Player FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST
Smith 0.452 0.286 0.554 35.4 16.1 9.6 3.6
Bosh 0.494 0.269 0.817 35.2 18.4 8.3 2.0

Now I don't know if you remember but Bosh in the first half of the season was healthy and had a comparable PER to Josh Smith but when he got injured after the break his #s took a dive whilst Smith was given a freer reign on the offense for the Hawks and as a result saw an improvement in his #s. Had Smith been playing behind LeBron James and Dwyane Wade on offense however instead of being the #1 option on his team do you honestly think he would have put up the basic #s he did?

mjt20mik
12-17-2012, 07:54 PM
Bosh was a significantly better shooter from the field and was a more consistent scorer as well. Smith had Bosh in terms of PER because as you mentioned he was had Bosh in terms of blocks, steals, assists and rebounds.

Bosh was a MUCH more efficient scorer boasting a TS% of greater than 55% while Smith was notoriously inefficient being one of the worst jumpers (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&year_id=2012&is_playoffs=N&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=JUMP_SHOT&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q1=Y&q2=Y&q3=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg) in the entire league, while Bosh's jumper was better than that of Kobe's, Irving, Harden etc. Their WS/48 also weren't comparable as Bosh had a solid edge in that department.

Correction as well Smith 2.5 more shots a game than Bosh not 1. Bosh's numbers were hurt as a result of playing with LeBron James and Wade as both his scoring and rebounding went down since joining Miami while his D has grown exponentially.

If that in itself doesn't sell you here is the kicker.

Pre ASG #s


Player FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST
Smith 0.452 0.286 0.554 35.4 16.1 9.6 3.6
Bosh 0.494 0.269 0.817 35.2 18.4 8.3 2.0

Now I don't know if you remember but Bosh in the first half of the season was healthy and had a comparable PER to Josh Smith but when he got injured after the break his #s took a dive whilst Smith was given a freer reign on the offense for the Hawks and as a result saw an improvement in his #s. Had Smith been playing behind LeBron James and Dwyane Wade on offense however instead of being the #1 option on his team do you honestly think he would have put up the basic #s he did?

Ah totally forgot about the injury, which explains the dip in the numbers. Good post sir.

b@llhog24
12-17-2012, 08:06 PM
If you can. :)

:)
(http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=N&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=ws_per_48&c1comp=gt&c1val=.150&c2stat=per&c2comp=gt&c2val=20&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws)


all-stars are required to play a little thing called "defense"

How many players get picked in the all star game for their defense?

MonroeFAN
12-17-2012, 08:25 PM
So he underperforms in virtually every other area and didn't play a lick of defense at the time, and that's deserving of an all-star selection? Because he scored a lot?

:speechless:

I can't believe he didn't make the all star team that year, what a joke.

There is no defense being played in the all star game, whomever thinks 27 PPG isn't a snub is clearly anti-Melo. I can't say I'm the biggest fan of his, but come on now. You're in contention for scoring leader, and not an all star?

Btw, I really don't see how mentioning Melo as an MVP when he's leading the best team in the league in production is looked at as a homer-like move. Come on guys, cut out the hate.

noodle
12-17-2012, 08:39 PM
It's actually one of the more populated areas of these forums. Shows how much you know.

:facepalm:

2 words

Landry Fields

That's how much I know.

mjt20mik
12-17-2012, 08:40 PM
2 words

Landry Fields

That's how much I know.

Not as bad as these two words.

Andrea Bargnani.

/close thread

Kashmir13579
12-17-2012, 08:41 PM
On a side note, Carmelo should've been rookie of the year over Lebron..

tredigs
12-17-2012, 09:00 PM
On a side note, Carmelo should've been rookie of the year over Lebron..

Not like it was a robbery. It was a close vote that Lebron won, and he had a good case.

benzni
12-17-2012, 09:00 PM
Go in the Raptors forum. You'll hear crickets.

you are an idiot. one of the more active nba team forums actually

LongWayFromHome
12-18-2012, 02:08 AM
:)
(http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=N&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=ws_per_48&c1comp=gt&c1val=.150&c2stat=per&c2comp=gt&c2val=20&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws)



How many players get picked in the all star game for their defense?

Seriously. Like 3 ever. Iggy, Ben Wallace, Rodman

JasonJohnHorn
12-18-2012, 11:56 AM
Hakeem in 1991 averaged 21.2ppg, 13.8rpg, and led the league with 3.9bpg, on 55.3 TS%. The West all star centers were David Robinson and Kevin Duckworth.


This is a perfect example of a snub... you really have to take into consideration the guys who made the team to contextualize a snub.

Duckworth averaged fewer points, fewer rebounds, fewer blocks, fewer steals, fewer assists and had lower percentages.... but I do believe Hakeem was injured that year for part fo the season, so that may have been part of the reason for the snub.

The forwards who made it ahead of Melo were; McGrady, Duncan, Marion, Dirk, Brand and Garnett (Pau made it as a center).

Melo got 26.5 points firstly, not 27, and he was out rebounded by every forward on the list. Now, Duncan and McGrady got voted onto the team, and we all know fan-voting counts for $#!T, (though Duncan outrebouned Melo as did McGrady and both also got more assists than did Melo while Duncan also shot at a higher % and got more blocks).

Marion is likely the first name that jumps out, but Marion shot at a much higher % that season, and better than doubled Melo's rebounding number posting nearly 12 boards a game. Not to mention the fact that he dominated Melo in terms of defensive stats and actual defense. So sure... Melo got 5 more points a game, but Marion got 7 more rebounds and shot at a higher percentage while playing better defence. Who would you say is more deserving?

Brand put up better numbers as well. He outrebound Melo by 5+ a game, while Melo only outscored him by a basket. And Brand shot at a higher percentage and got better defensive stats.

Dirk is Dirk. He got more points and more rebounds and shot at a higher percentage.

Garnett? He lead the league in rebounding that season, shot at a higher percentages, got better defensive stats and got more assists. MElo scored a few more points per game (around 5) but Garnett got more than 7 boards a game more than Melo. Not to mention Garnett's defense.

So me question is: Did Melo even get snubbed that season? I would say no.
Hakeem got snubbed in 91. There was a player at his position who was not as good as him in the All-Star game. In 06 though, every forward on the all-star team was having a better season than Melo that year. Did Melo post All-Star calibre numbers that season? Yes, he did. That happens every season. Just ask David Lee. There are players who post All-Star calibre numbers every season and still miss getting put in the game, usually because, as good as their season may have been, there were better players.

It is the same for MVP voting. Every year there are three guys at least who are deserving of the award, but only one gets given out.

Melo had a great year that year, but not as good as the guys who made the team. I wouldn't call this a snub. If it had been worded differently, like: Who had the best season without making the all-star team? then I'd be cool with that, but Melo didn't get snubbed, he was just up against some stiff competition that year.

Is there seriously any forward on that roster who you think Melo played better than that season?


This also feeds into the whole idea that players who play in big markets get more recognition, something which some NY fans have been telling me I'm wrong about. But clearly, had Melo been putting those numbers in up LAL or NY or Houston (because of the Yao Ming voters supporting Yao's teammates), Melo would have likely been voted onto the team with those numbers.

That, and you rounded all his numbers up to make him look better ;-)

JasonJohnHorn
12-18-2012, 12:06 PM
On a side note, Carmelo should've been rookie of the year over Lebron..

All their numbers were pretty close, but LBJ had a distinct edge in assists and defensive stats, had a better assist-to-turnover ratio and committed fewer fouls. Though, in Melo's defense, he did help the Nuggets to a better turnaround that season, both teams had only won 17 games the previous season and Melo lead the Nuggets to 43 wins compared to Cleveland's 35, though admittedly Cleveland was in worse shape than was Denver despite having the same record.