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Chronz
12-15-2012, 06:22 PM
Batman cant always be at his best, even Robin has his day. What were Pippens most memorable hero moments? I know a popular one to mention is his performance vs Magic with MJ exhausted and in foul trouble, I think it was G.2 of the 91 Finals. I recall a game where Pippen and the bench brought the Bulls back from a huge deficit, cant remember which tho. But those are the only ones that come to mind, are those the best or am I forgetting certain games.

gattaca
12-15-2012, 06:30 PM
Pippen was my favorite player growing up.

Til Toronto finally got a team.

But man, we all know what happened to the Bulls without Jordan ( no title) but Pippen was a beast when Jordan was gone playing baseball.

What I've always wondered is how many titles would Jordan and the Bulls have won without Pippen. I don't think it would have been 6.

Mr_Jones
12-15-2012, 06:30 PM
Never..!

lakers4sho
12-15-2012, 07:09 PM
JB deleted the word document a few years ago.

Sactown
12-15-2012, 07:17 PM
Pippen was my favorite player growing up.

Til Toronto finally got a team.

But man, we all know what happened to the Bulls without Jordan ( no title) but Pippen was a beast when Jordan was gone playing baseball.

What I've always wondered is how many titles would Jordan and the Bulls have won without Pippen. I don't think it would have been 6.

I absolutely agree, not only did Pippen help relieve a heavy scoring burden, but Pippen was such an elite defender, and play maker that he relieved Jordan on the defensive side of the ball, AND, helped him get his teammates going.

Ebbs
12-15-2012, 07:24 PM
JB deleted the word document a few years ago.

:laugh:

JordansBulls
12-15-2012, 07:35 PM
Batman cant always be at his best, even Robin has his day. What were Pippens most memorable hero moments? I know a popular one to mention is his performance vs Magic with MJ exhausted and in foul trouble, I think it was G.2 of the 91 Finals. I recall a game where Pippen and the bench brought the Bulls back from a huge deficit, cant remember which tho. But those are the only ones that come to mind, are those the best or am I forgetting certain games.

Game 6 vs Portland. They started the 4th quarter and brought the team back to down 3. MJ then took over after that scoring 12 in the finals 6 minutes.

smiddy012
12-15-2012, 07:37 PM
It's common perception among Chicagoans, even to the ones who only really followed them during the dynasty years, that Pip wasn't clutch in the playoffs.

Andrew32
12-15-2012, 07:46 PM
Pippen had countless huge playoff games during their Dynasty years.

He also obviously scored plenty of baskets down the stretch of games as he was the Bulls 2nd best offensive weapon.

This idea that teams have ever just gone to one player down the stretch of games is mind numbingly stupid.

shep33
12-15-2012, 08:09 PM
Pippen was a superstar. The guy was the best defender in the NBA by a long shot. I remember when they played the Knicks and he'd guard Ewing in spurts. Defensively he bailed the Bulls out a lot.

Stick him on the opposing team's pg like Phil used to do and their offense just broke down with Pip taking him 94 feet.

ILLUSIONIST^248
12-15-2012, 08:09 PM
Never..!

Ohhh Stop!

Andrew32
12-15-2012, 08:40 PM
Lol nice ninja jab.

What jab?
92 Pippen > 02 Kobe

el hidalgo
12-15-2012, 08:52 PM
What jab?
92 Pippen > 02 Kobe

agreed. i dont see how it was a jab. they were both great 2nd options on 2 of the most dominant dynasties ever. being a 2nd option on a dominant dynasty means youre pretty damn good at basketball.

Forever35
12-15-2012, 08:53 PM
Alot less then MJ saved the Bulls... No disrespect to Pip, but he played with the greatest of all time...

ILLUSIONIST^248
12-15-2012, 08:54 PM
Kobe>Pippen . Kobe has 3 finals appearances and 2 rings along with 2finals Mvps without Shaq. Kobe was just a kid back then and not in his prime.

Edit. This is for andrea32

Chronz
12-15-2012, 08:57 PM
Game 6 vs Portland. They started the 4th quarter and brought the team back to down 3. MJ then took over after that scoring 12 in the finals 6 minutes.

Would you like to contribute to the thread?

Chronz
12-15-2012, 08:58 PM
Alot less then MJ saved the Bulls... No disrespect to Pip, but he played with the greatest of all time...

Im wondering why you feel the need to point this out instead of contributing to the thread topic. Which is about the games you recall Pippen saving the Bulls.

ILLUSIONIST^248
12-15-2012, 08:59 PM
Would you like to contribute to the thread?

:laugh2:

waveycrockett
12-15-2012, 09:02 PM
Kobe>Pippen . Kobe has 3 finals appearances and 2 rings along with 2finals Mvps without Shaq. Kobe was just a kid back then and not in his prime.

Edit. This is for andrea32

For their career yes but as a sidekick pippen>kobe.

ILLUSIONIST^248
12-15-2012, 09:06 PM
For their career yes but as a sidekick pippen>kobe.

So your comparing a prime Pippen to a kid Kobe. Cool gotcha.

el hidalgo
12-15-2012, 09:12 PM
So your comparing a prime Pippen to a kid Kobe. Cool gotcha.

They both didnt win their 1st championship until their 4th year in the league... its a fair comparison

Ezio
12-15-2012, 09:13 PM
That dunk on Ewing :drool:

AIRMAR72
12-15-2012, 09:17 PM
Scottie was there multiple times to help MJ from passing the ball covering the oppostion best player(lockdown style), penatrating through the D, playing the passing lane, ball handling,post N toast PIP DID IT all

ILLUSIONIST^248
12-15-2012, 09:19 PM
They both didnt win their 1st championship until their 4th year in the league... its a fair comparison

Kobe was 21 Pippen was 26.

TrueFan420
12-15-2012, 09:35 PM
Kobe was 21 Pippen was 26.

Ok and his point was that both players had been in the league for 4 years

ILLUSIONIST^248
12-15-2012, 10:00 PM
Ok and his point was that both players had been in the league for 4 years

And my point was one was in their prime and one wasn't .

Andrew32
12-15-2012, 10:05 PM
And my point was one was in their prime and one wasn't .

I fully agree with you.
Early 00's Kobe was not in his Prime.

92 Pippen > 00 & 02 Kobe
06-09 Kobe > 92 Pippen

ILLUSIONIST^248
12-15-2012, 10:15 PM
Agreed. Except I would say Kobe was better from 05-10

LakersMaster24
12-15-2012, 10:21 PM
Michael Jordan and the 90s Bulls wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as they were without Scottie Pippen.

LAKERMANIA
12-15-2012, 10:57 PM
Depends... Did Pippen have HCA?

LakersMaster24
12-15-2012, 11:05 PM
Depends... Did Pippen have HCA?

:laugh:

DreamShaker
12-15-2012, 11:12 PM
Defensively he bailed the Bulls out a lot.

Stick him on the opposing team's pg like Phil used to do and their offense just broke down with Pip taking him 94 feet.

I agree with this part of the post. Pippen did a good deal of the dirty work so MJ could do what he did best.

ztilzer31
12-15-2012, 11:31 PM
Kobe>Pippen . Kobe has 3 finals appearances and 2 rings along with 2finals Mvps without Shaq. Kobe was just a kid back then and not in his prime.

Edit. This is for andrea32

He also had a few bad season in between, and people forget the Lakers always had a loaded bench back then. A big difference between now and then. Maybe if Jordan didn't come back Pippen would of gotten a ring? Maybe. No one knows.

I don't want to say MJ wouldn't win a title without Pippen, but he definitely needed a number 2. MJ's injury in his second year, was the best thing that could ever happen to the bulls.

Plus it was their chemistry. Pippen and Jordan made each other better. They were a nightmare for opposing back courts defensively, and they always seemed to know where each other were.

Jordan was great, but Pippen does get shafted when it comes to the Bulls dynasty.

CB29
12-15-2012, 11:58 PM
Pippen hurt the team too though... He had contract issues after basically every year... Though he was a very good foil to MJ and equally as equipped defensively... I can't say that he bailed them out but I'd say that he was a consistent contributor to their successes.

beliges
12-16-2012, 12:14 AM
Pip is one of the all time greats and probably the greatest perimeter defender of all time.

rocky4104
12-16-2012, 12:42 AM
Pippen was great defensively -- but let's face it, MJ demanded so much attention that's why he flourished playing alongside Michael, he was a good player but if you compare Pippen with MJ against Pippen without the Air -- no contest imho

ILLUSIONIST^248
12-16-2012, 12:50 AM
He also had a few bad season in between, and people forget the Lakers always had a loaded bench back then. A big difference between now and then. Maybe if Jordan didn't come back Pippen would of gotten a ring? Maybe. No one knows.

I don't want to say MJ wouldn't win a title without Pippen, but he definitely needed a number 2. MJ's injury in his second year, was the best thing that could ever happen to the bulls.

Plus it was their chemistry. Pippen and Jordan made each other better. They were a nightmare for opposing back courts defensively, and they always seemed to know where each other were.

Jordan was great, but Pippen does get shafted when it comes to the Bulls dynasty.

Didn't Pippen have 2 years to do that when Jordan retired the first time ?
Those bulls teams were some of the best all round teams in league history as well.

Sactown
12-16-2012, 12:51 AM
Pippen was the guy who did all the dirty work so Jordan could have all the flash and flare of being the GOAT, don't think either would be nearly as successful without the other.

PLAYERS FAN
12-16-2012, 03:38 AM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...105190CHI.html (Jordan 6-for-15 for 22 points, the bench 12-for-21 for 30 points)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...106070LAL.html (Jordan 11-for-28 for 29 points, Horace Grant and Cliff Levingston 14-for-16 for 32 points)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...205290CLE.html (Jordan 10-for-27, the rest of the Bulls 28-for-57)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...305290CHI.html (20 point blowout win for the Bulls with Jordan shooting 3-for-18 from the field)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...306040CHI.html (Jordan shoots 8-for-24 from the field, each of the other 7 Chicago Bulls players that attempted a shot in this game shot over 50% from the field)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...605120NYK.html (Jordan 7-for-23, the bench 11-for-17 from the field, 5-for-5 from 3 point range, Rodman had 19 rebounds)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...606160CHI.html (Jordan 5-for-19, 5 turnovers, Longley and Rodman with surprising offensive contributions, 9-for-15 and 21 points)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...705280CHI.html (Jordan 11-for-31, Pippen only played 7 minutes, Longley, Harper, and Rodman combined for 38 big points when they only averaged 20 points in those playoffs)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...705220CHI.html (Jordan 4-for-15 from the field, Pippen had to step up to help win the game)

amos1er
12-16-2012, 03:51 AM
What jab?
92 Pippen > 02 Kobe

And I get accused of being a troll. lol

amos1er
12-16-2012, 03:52 AM
agreed. i dont see how it was a jab. they were both great 2nd options on 2 of the most dominant dynasties ever. being a 2nd option on a dominant dynasty means youre pretty damn good at basketball.

:facepalm:

Sactown
12-16-2012, 04:49 AM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...105190CHI.html (Jordan 6-for-15 for 22 points, the bench 12-for-21 for 30 points)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...106070LAL.html (Jordan 11-for-28 for 29 points, Horace Grant and Cliff Levingston 14-for-16 for 32 points)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...205290CLE.html (Jordan 10-for-27, the rest of the Bulls 28-for-57)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...305290CHI.html (20 point blowout win for the Bulls with Jordan shooting 3-for-18 from the field)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...306040CHI.html (Jordan shoots 8-for-24 from the field, each of the other 7 Chicago Bulls players that attempted a shot in this game shot over 50% from the field)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...605120NYK.html (Jordan 7-for-23, the bench 11-for-17 from the field, 5-for-5 from 3 point range, Rodman had 19 rebounds)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...606160CHI.html (Jordan 5-for-19, 5 turnovers, Longley and Rodman with surprising offensive contributions, 9-for-15 and 21 points)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...705280CHI.html (Jordan 11-for-31, Pippen only played 7 minutes, Longley, Harper, and Rodman combined for 38 big points when they only averaged 20 points in those playoffs)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...705220CHI.html (Jordan 4-for-15 from the field, Pippen had to step up to help win the game)

Just goes to show that we paint pictures of these "Stars" as if any player ever was impervious for falling apart, when in reality everyone of them does at some point. Honestly makes the GOAT conversation so difficult when people start defending this "Stars" as if they didn't ever have a weak moment.

Although I do believe Jordan was the 1st of what was to come, when you consider players physically today. Jordan was the 1st during his era, he was so athletically superior to the players he played against, would be interesting to see him play today, against the Lebrons, Wades, Kobes, KD's who match him athletically.

thesprite
12-16-2012, 11:19 AM
Just goes to shoI'llw that we paint pictures of these "Stars" as if any player ever was impervious for falling apart, when in reality everyone of them does at some point. Honestly makes the GOAT conversation so difficult when people start defending this "Stars" as if they didn't ever have a weak moment.

Although I do believe Jordan was the 1st of what was to come, when you consider players physically today. Jordan was the 1st during his era, he was so athletically superior to the players he played against, would be interesting to see him play today, against the Lebrons, Wades, Kobes, KD's who match him athletically.

One, he didn't succeed just because he's athletic. Interesting to see him play "today"? He could still score 30 at 40 years of age.. Two, you didn't know of a 6'4 guy that could dominate the boards even with 7"1 dominating centers? Or a prime-Amar'e-with-steroids on the Supersonics.. Or oh well, it's pointless.. Three, if an athletic guy like T-Mac played in the 90s, his career will be over sooner.

On topic, I think it's unfair for a guy like Pippen to be gauged only by how much he saved MJ. (I know it's not the point of Chronz, just too lazy to answer the question directly. :D ) Like the other guy said, they make each other better, and they complement each other's abilities.