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sixers247
12-13-2012, 09:23 PM
Now I am a sixers fan and hate to admit this bit they are. I really like the team they put together. If amare can come back and not f it up. They can do big things

bucketss
12-13-2012, 09:27 PM
live and die by the three while getting pounded on the glass

tredigs
12-13-2012, 09:28 PM
You made a thread for this? Why? Well I guess we can always use some good Knick talk. That's a team that goes unnoticed. I feel ya.

Max.This
12-13-2012, 09:29 PM
stop trolling us lol. You'll only make it worse for us

SportsFanatic10
12-13-2012, 09:29 PM
lol were just waiting to see if they would jump out to a lead in the game tonight to post this?

Ebbs
12-13-2012, 09:29 PM
Unneeded thead.

But I agree with what Charles said. As freaking good as they are they can't win a championship off pure jump shooting.

Hawkeye15
12-13-2012, 09:34 PM
I keep going back to this. My Wolves, around the 2001-02' season or so, started 30-10, and then regressed to the mean. I simply can't take a team seriously as being elite until later in the season. I just can't.

RangersMets
12-13-2012, 09:35 PM
83-0

GiantsSwaGG
12-13-2012, 09:38 PM
Lets give it some time, but its nice to see Knicks getting their props

GiantsSwaGG
12-13-2012, 09:39 PM
I keep going back to this. My Wolves, around the 2001-02' season or so, started 30-10, and then regressed to the mean. I simply can't take a team seriously as being elite until later in the season. I just can't.

Different teams

Hawkeye15
12-13-2012, 09:42 PM
Different teams

My point is, when a team that has not been a contender all of a sudden jumps out to a great record, that should set off some signals. The season is peaks and valleys. NY started peaking, the valley will set it. It always does. How quickly they can get through them will define their record to end the season.

I used one example. There are plenty. Its not as if this would be a concern of mine if it were Miami, OKC, or SA. They are perennial contenders now. It's just so difficult to jump from a non-playoff team, or a team that has won a single playoff game in a decade, to real contenders.

Too early for this is my point. Lets get late in the season, and see where they are.

Vinny642
12-13-2012, 09:43 PM
They look good

netsgiantsyanks
12-13-2012, 09:44 PM
what he's really trying to say is that the lakers suck.

DoMeFavors
12-13-2012, 09:53 PM
Its so tough to beat a team with Chris Duhon starting pg?

heyman321
12-13-2012, 09:54 PM
Wow how are they shooting 300% from 3PT so far in the season? Everything thrown up is goin gin.

Ebbs
12-13-2012, 09:56 PM
Its so tough to beat a team with Chris Duhon starting pg?

You tell me? You realize you lost to a Lakers team with Morris starting right?
You also lost your last 5 so easy does it.

Kashmir13579
12-13-2012, 10:00 PM
I keep going back to this. My Wolves, around the 2001-02' season or so, started 30-10, and then regressed to the mean. I simply can't take a team seriously as being elite until later in the season. I just can't.

LOL this is your worst nightmare

Beltrans Mole
12-13-2012, 10:00 PM
I love how people act like the Knicks will suddenly just stop hitting threes LOL....Novak led the league last year. Melo is a great 3-pt shooter and so is J-Kidd. Sheed can hit the three and so can JR...the team just has weapons. Plus Melo creates such a mismatch and they are passing the ball so well that they have open threes all of the time...maybe that's why they are shooting at such a high pct? But no, let's consider it pure luck that is sure to fade away...

DoMeFavors
12-13-2012, 10:01 PM
You tell me? You realize you lost to a Lakers team with Morris starting right?
You also lost your last 5 so easy does it.

I didnt lose anything, im not in the NBA

roshan3ai
12-13-2012, 10:02 PM
You tell me? You realize you lost to a Lakers team with Morris starting right?
You also lost your last 5 so easy does it.
:laugh2: Burn

NYY09
12-13-2012, 10:02 PM
My point is, when a team that has not been a contender all of a sudden jumps out to a great record, that should set off some signals. The season is peaks and valleys. NY started peaking, the valley will set it. It always does. How quickly they can get through them will define their record to end the season.

I used one example. There are plenty. Its not as if this would be a concern of mine if it were Miami, OKC, or SA. They are perennial contenders now. It's just so difficult to jump from a non-playoff team, or a team that has won a single playoff game in a decade, to real contenders.

Too early for this is my point. Lets get late in the season, and see where they are.

While there is a good chance you're right, anomalies do happen. Whats to say the team can't play well for an entire season? they do have the veteran presence to stay even keeled... All I'm saying is that its plausible.

And the Knicks did have some key injuries in the post season so its hard to feel as if those playoffs wins or lack-there-of are really a true measure of anything...

Kashmir13579
12-13-2012, 10:02 PM
I love how people act like the Knicks will suddenly just stop hitting threes LOL....Novak led the league last year. Melo is a great 3-pt shooter and so is J-Kidd. Sheed can hit the three and so can JR...the team just has weapons. Plus Melo creates such a mismatch and they are passing the ball so well that they have open threes all of the time...maybe that's why they are shooting at such a high pct? But no, let's consider it pure luck that is sure to fade away...

Felton and Brewer are not this good from range. Fact.

Ebbs
12-13-2012, 10:03 PM
I didnt lose anything, im not in the NBA

Damn that's a shock because your posts to this point led me to believe you were a professional athlete.

D-Leethal
12-13-2012, 10:04 PM
I keep going back to this. My Wolves, around the 2001-02' season or so, started 30-10, and then regressed to the mean. I simply can't take a team seriously as being elite until later in the season. I just can't.

This team hasn't established a mean yet.

Kashmir13579
12-13-2012, 10:04 PM
Damn that's a shock because your posts to this point led me to believe you were a professional athlete.

I think he's just being modest. Otherwise i am shocked.

Kashmir13579
12-13-2012, 10:06 PM
This team hasn't established a mean yet.

Hawkeye wants them to plummet because he insisted they did not make any upgrades this offseason. :laugh2:

More-Than-Most
12-13-2012, 10:06 PM
Its the lakers....Everyone beats the lakers lol

D-Leethal
12-13-2012, 10:09 PM
Its the lakers....Everyone beats the lakers lol

Heat twice, Spurs in SA?

heyman321
12-13-2012, 10:11 PM
I love how people act like the Knicks will suddenly just stop hitting threes LOL....Novak led the league last year. Melo is a great 3-pt shooter and so is J-Kidd. Sheed can hit the three and so can JR...the team just has weapons. Plus Melo creates such a mismatch and they are passing the ball so well that they have open threes all of the time...maybe that's why they are shooting at such a high pct? But no, let's consider it pure luck that is sure to fade away...

The only good shooter really is Novak. Kidd, Felton, Smith, Sheed, are all so streaky, but everything has gone in this season. That won't work in the playoffs when nothing falls. But that remains to be seen.

dnewguy
12-13-2012, 10:11 PM
We are just getting to the quarter mark of the season and we're already picking champions? All I see is the Knicks making one jump shot after another...never seen a team advance past the 2nd round of the play-offs that way. By 86 games, the shooting touch fades and you have to depend on the most efficient shots...that's what the Knicks lack.

More-Than-Most
12-13-2012, 10:11 PM
Heat twice, Spurs in SA?

Not saying they are not legit....Just in reference to this thread being made with them crushing the lakers.

netsgiantsyanks
12-13-2012, 10:12 PM
You tell me? You realize you lost to a Lakers team with Morris starting right?
You also lost your last 5 so easy does it.

we won yesterday. get yo facts straight.

HansumJay
12-13-2012, 10:14 PM
I didnt lose anything, im not in the NBA

Yet you call the Nets and the Heat "We".........:eyebrow:

Hawkeye15
12-13-2012, 10:15 PM
LOL this is your worst nightmare

nah, I have just seen flashes in the pan before. I know you are young, as many are here, but its an 82 game season for a reason.

Hawkeye15
12-13-2012, 10:16 PM
While there is a good chance you're right, anomalies do happen. Whats to say the team can't play well for an entire season? they do have the veteran presence to stay even keeled... All I'm saying is that its plausible.

And the Knicks did have some key injuries in the post season so its hard to feel as if those playoffs wins or lack-there-of are really a true measure of anything...

It may be plausible, its just against the mean. Not saying its impossible. What I do think is, if and when (I think) the Knicks go through a couple bad spells, Knicks fans need to keep the eye on the prize.

Hawkeye15
12-13-2012, 10:17 PM
This team hasn't established a mean yet.

Maybe, but I don't buy it. In that case, OKC and SA will eat you alive in the finals. Why are we all predicting things so early, my god.

DoMeFavors
12-13-2012, 10:18 PM
cant beat the Nets with ease

Hawkeye15
12-13-2012, 10:18 PM
Hawkeye wants them to plummet because he insisted they did not make any upgrades this offseason. :laugh2:

Why would I want a team that I am indifferent to plummet? I simply look at it as an experiment, and enjoy watching the sport.

bucketss
12-13-2012, 10:19 PM
I didnt lose anything, im not in the NBA

you could be if you wanted though right?

DoMeFavors
12-13-2012, 10:22 PM
you could be if you wanted though right?

could have.....

I was a d1 sg

Becks2307
12-13-2012, 10:27 PM
We are just getting to the quarter mark of the season and we're already picking champions? All I see is the Knicks making one jump shot after another...never seen a team advance past the 2nd round of the play-offs that way. By 86 games, the shooting touch fades and you have to depend on the most efficient shots...that's what the Knicks lack.

wait, open shots aren't efficient shots?

onlythisfar41
12-13-2012, 10:28 PM
could have.....

I was a d1 sg

What school and what year.

Hawkeye15
12-13-2012, 10:28 PM
could have.....

I was a d1 sg

absolutely don't believe you.

DoMeFavors
12-13-2012, 10:29 PM
What school and what year.

Um no

Kashmir13579
12-13-2012, 10:30 PM
Why would I want a team that I am indifferent to plummet? I simply look at it as an experiment, and enjoy watching the sport.

Because I don't think you are indifferent. :laugh2:

I remember having this conversation with you before the season. Given, i was gutted over the Jeremy Lin fiasco, i still maintained they had a much better product this year. A full training camp, veteran presence, top 5 defense, everyone on the same page..

I'm still confident they will be a top 4 seed and much better than the Nets.. Thats as far as i'm willing to go at this point.

Hawkeye15
12-13-2012, 10:30 PM
I was an all star NBA PG everyone

DoMeFavors
12-13-2012, 10:31 PM
absolutely don't believe you.

ok...its not that hard to play d1 basketball there are a ton of schools...doesnt have to be a top school

Kashmir13579
12-13-2012, 10:31 PM
absolutely don't believe you.

lmfao

knicksfan42
12-13-2012, 10:32 PM
My point is, when a team that has not been a contender all of a sudden jumps out to a great record, that should set off some signals. The season is peaks and valleys. NY started peaking, the valley will set it. It always does. How quickly they can get through them will define their record to end the season.

I used one example. There are plenty. Its not as if this would be a concern of mine if it were Miami, OKC, or SA. They are perennial contenders now. It's just so difficult to jump from a non-playoff team, or a team that has won a single playoff game in a decade, to real contenders.

Too early for this is my point. Lets get late in the season, and see where they are.

41-11 since Woodson took over.

Ebbs
12-13-2012, 10:32 PM
Um no

Yo you are like 15 lets be honest

KNICKSTAPE 914
12-13-2012, 10:32 PM
could have.....

I was a d1 sg

ahahahaha u are the biggest BS artist on the planet

ee
12-13-2012, 10:33 PM
I hate the knicks but well aware of their success....Lakers may not be the team to measure them with but they did beat Miami twice although the 1st one was a charity game, the 2nd one was legit....

Hawkeye15
12-13-2012, 10:33 PM
Because I don't think you are indifferent. :laugh2:

I remember having this conversation with you before the season. Given, i was gutted over the Jeremy Lin fiasco, i still maintained they had a much better product this year. A full training camp, veteran presence, top 5 defense, everyone on the same page..

I'm still confident they will be a top 4 seed and much better than the Nets.. Thats as far as i'm willing to go at this point.

Nah, I am indifferent. That means I don't wake up and hope to log on and see NY lost haha.

I think we talked about that stuff, we simply had a basic disagreement, not that I thought the Knicks weren't a good team..

Kashmir13579
12-13-2012, 10:33 PM
41-11 since Woodson took over.

Thats astonishing.

Hawkeye15
12-13-2012, 10:34 PM
41-11 since Woodson took over.

I am aware. And destroyed by Miami. Look, I just need to see them in real games before I buy it.

DoMeFavors
12-13-2012, 10:35 PM
Adding Felton who didnt make the playoffs last year, and Jason Kidd swept in the playoffs last year doesnt make you a good team.

Kashmir13579
12-13-2012, 10:35 PM
Nah, I am indifferent. That means I don't wake up and hope to log on and see NY lost haha.

I think we talked about that stuff, we simply had a basic disagreement, not that I thought the Knicks weren't a good team..

You know, its ok to NOT be indifferent, right? I'm not like, holding it against you.. You have noted in the past your distaste for the Knicks fanbase.

KNICKSTAPE 914
12-13-2012, 10:35 PM
I am aware. And destroyed by Miami. Look, I just need to see them in real games before I buy it.

we get it, you are doing your best charles barkley impersonation

Hawkeye15
12-13-2012, 10:35 PM
ok...its not that hard to play d1 basketball there are a ton of schools...doesnt have to be a top school

I am aware of the recruiting process, and the levels. My brother and I both went through it. I choose to never share my personal stuff, but I try and at least be intelligent about the sport I claim to be good at.

onlythisfar41
12-13-2012, 10:36 PM
Um no

Right that would be because youre making it up

Hawkeye15
12-13-2012, 10:36 PM
we get it, you are doing your best charles barkley impersonation

Not really. That would be making outlandish statements with no substance.

Sorry, I need to see more. Over 82+. Is that so much to ask when trying to decide if a team is elite?

DoMeFavors
12-13-2012, 10:36 PM
I am aware of the recruiting process, and the levels. My brother and I both went through it. I choose to never share my personal stuff, but I try and at least be intelligent about the sport I claim to be good at.

well I believe you, but did you average 12 points, 3 rebounds and 6 assists like me? no

knicksfan42
12-13-2012, 10:37 PM
I am aware. And destroyed by Miami. Look, I just need to see them in real games before I buy it.

50 games is more than enough of a sample size. We had a ton of injuries vs Miami and we are a better team this year than even when we went 26-8.


BTW my math is **** 8+5= 13

Mr Costanza
12-13-2012, 10:37 PM
live and die by the three while getting pounded on the glass

Lol you just scraped that from Barkley.

Hawkeye15
12-13-2012, 10:37 PM
You know, its ok to NOT be indifferent, right? I'm not like, holding it against you.. You have noted in the past your distaste for the Knicks fanbase.

I have also stuck up for the fanbase, when it comes to people piling on them, Chandler, and their fans here. Cmon man, you know I am about as level headed as it gets here.

Ebbs
12-13-2012, 10:38 PM
Adding Felton who didnt make the playoffs last year, and Jason Kidd swept in the playoffs last year doesnt make you a good team.

You are now on a JB level of irrelevent justifications.

Feltons team missing the playoffs means he is useless? So by your logic a player like Kevin Love who didn't make the playoffs last season wouldn't make a difference this season. . .

uhhh what.

KNICKSTAPE 914
12-13-2012, 10:38 PM
well I believe you, but did you average 12 points, 3 rebounds and 6 assists like me? no

lol just go to sleep, its bed time...you have school tomorrow

ee
12-13-2012, 10:38 PM
Adding Felton who didnt make the playoffs last year, and Jason Kidd swept in the playoffs last year doesnt make you a good team.

How about winning?

Hawkeye15
12-13-2012, 10:39 PM
well I believe you, but did you average 12 points, 3 rebounds and 6 assists like me? no

This will go nowhere. Why don't we both move on. I know my experiences, you don't, and vice versa.

Kashmir13579
12-13-2012, 10:39 PM
I have also stuck up for the fanbase, when it comes to people piling on them, Chandler, and their fans here. Cmon man, you know I am about as level headed as it gets here.

I'm not disputing that at all. :)

DoMeFavors
12-13-2012, 10:39 PM
You are now on a JB level of irrelevent justifications.

Feltons team missing the playoffs means he is useless? So by your logic a player like Kevin Love who didn't make the playoffs last season wouldn't make a difference this season. . .

uhhh what.

Felton has made the playoffs like once in his career

Ebbs
12-13-2012, 10:40 PM
Felton has made the playoffs like once in his career

Pffft sound of my point whizzing over your head.

ohreally
12-13-2012, 10:41 PM
I don't really understand how the Knicks have been doing a well as they have been. I've expected the valleys. But they haven't come yet. Gotta give them prps at this point--even Melo, who I really haven't liked.

True, at some point the valleys will come. Felton tends to get worse and worse a a season goes on. Kidd ha been playing better than you would expect. JR hasn't shot them out of games. They are looking good.

It's also true that Bynum hasn't played a game. Boston's still waiting for the season to start. Heat aren't focused yet. Rose hasn't played a game. Wallace and Lopez injuries have hampered th Nets, neither Williams nor Johnson have settled into a flow yet, and Teletovic hasn't got the run he'll need to get comfortable.

Champagne ain't on ice for hem yet, bu can't fault hem for checking out the best deals on a few cases. And if Dolan wants to spend hi money and fans want connehoras (Yiddish spelling not a sstrong suit), well, I remember when LeBron was already signed and picking who else he wanted signed to join him--just saying.

KNICKSTAPE 914
12-13-2012, 10:41 PM
Pffft sound of my point whizzing over your head.

hahaha does that really surprise you though? hes a 15 year old dunce

HowFit
12-13-2012, 10:46 PM
Not elite but good...

AndyfromNeptune
12-13-2012, 10:59 PM
hahaha does that really surprise you though? hes a 15 year old dunce

He's in Alpine Middle School. I've heard of him.

JEDean89
12-13-2012, 11:00 PM
Felton has made the playoffs like once in his career

twice, nuggets and bobcats, now how many playoffs have brook lopez, andray blatche and gerald wallace made combined? like once.

seikou8
12-13-2012, 11:29 PM
ell we will be top 4 seed and better than the nets so thats a god start some of yous guys will buy in even if they won chip thats ok

OA SLAY
12-13-2012, 11:46 PM
Dantoni is a genius...

DumDum
12-13-2012, 11:50 PM
live and die by the three while getting pounded on the glass

They can't go 7 games with anybody like this

Captain Moroni
12-13-2012, 11:51 PM
live and die by the three while getting pounded on the glass

if that helps you sleep at night...Ok

MR.TRIPDUB
12-14-2012, 12:34 AM
Hawkeye wants them to plummet because he insisted they did not make any upgrades this offseason. :laugh2:

This. He thinks kidd is a liabilty. Cant even credit kidd during his nets days. Unbelievable.

DoMeFavors
12-14-2012, 12:38 AM
twice, nuggets and bobcats, now how many playoffs have brook lopez, andray blatche and gerald wallace made combined? like once.

Gerald went to WCF in 02 the hell...

benzni
12-14-2012, 12:44 AM
nothing to see here. Just another Knicks thread in the Knicks forum

Knicks21
12-14-2012, 12:51 AM
Gerald went to WCF in 02 the hell...

playing like 3 minutes a game hahahahahaah

HouRealCoach
12-14-2012, 01:02 AM
I don't see how people take DMF serious lol

RangersMets
12-14-2012, 01:04 AM
He's in Alpine Middle School. I've heard of him.

Found him

http://www.blackplanet.com/domefavors/

RonE Coleman
12-14-2012, 01:07 AM
Found him

http://www.blackplanet.com/domefavors/

:laugh:

LMFAO omg

blastmasta26
12-14-2012, 01:18 AM
Adding Felton who didnt make the playoffs last year, and Jason Kidd swept in the playoffs last year doesnt make you a good team.

Felton and Kidd are role players. Role players don't carry their teams to the playoffs, so that's a weak point. But putting together a group of good role players around an elite player is the formula the Mavs won a title with. I'm not equating the Knicks to that team necessarily, but your post is foolish on every level.

VillaMaravilla
12-14-2012, 01:19 AM
Gerald went to WCF in 02 the hell...

Whats your point Jkidd, Sheed and Tyson went to the finals and won it, c an you say that about anyone on your team and oh yeah Camby has also been to the finals

ILLUSIONIST^248
12-14-2012, 01:20 AM
Doesn't really matter the Heat will take them out in the playoffs .

NYKnickFanatic
12-14-2012, 01:23 AM
Doesn't really matter the Heat will take them out in the playoffs .

Bitter fan...

Kashmir13579
12-14-2012, 01:25 AM
Gerald went to WCF in 02 the hell...


:laugh:

desperate comment

Im_in_Mia_bish
12-14-2012, 01:26 AM
i hope the heat face the knicks in the playoffs. wouldnt wanna have it any other way. :)

KnickaBocka.44
12-14-2012, 01:27 AM
Found him

http://www.blackplanet.com/domefavors/

This is just entirely too much :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

Gideon
12-14-2012, 01:27 AM
Found him

http://www.blackplanet.com/domefavors/

Now that is some funny *****!

KnickaBocka.44
12-14-2012, 01:28 AM
i hope the heat face the knicks in the playoffs. wouldnt wanna have it any other way. :)

The two best teams in the East going toe to toe is what most fans would want.

Captain Moroni
12-14-2012, 01:33 AM
My point is, when a team that has not been a contender all of a sudden jumps out to a great record, that should set off some signals. The season is peaks and valleys. NY started peaking, the valley will set it. It always does. How quickly they can get through them will define their record to end the season.

I used one example. There are plenty. Its not as if this would be a concern of mine if it were Miami, OKC, or SA. They are perennial contenders now. It's just so difficult to jump from a non-playoff team, or a team that has won a single playoff game in a decade, to real contenders.

Too early for this is my point. Lets get late in the season, and see where they are.

Your points mean nothing when talking about this years Knicks. If Lin, fields, Bibby, Douglas, jorts, jefferies, Davis, walker, and Balkman were on this team and Dantoni was coaching them to a 17-5 record you would have a valid point.

Miami was not a contender until Bosh and LeBron joined the ranks, they weren't champions until battier hopped on board.

The Knicks added.....

Jason Kidd-future hall of famer NBA champion coach on the court
Pablo Prigioni- 35 year old Euro allstar PG
Rasheed Wallace- smart veteran big who is personal friends with coach Woodson. His professional attitude is infectious.
Ronnie Brewer- defensive specialist under coach Thibs and Chicagos shut down system
Raymond Felton- New York proven P&R PG who is a true pass first one.
Marcus Camby-solid veteran five (has barely played so far)

In the last year, they also added chandler, Novak, Copeland and white.

Mike Woodson is 35-11.

You continue to look backwards at a team that quite frankly doesn't exist anymore.

By January the second unit of Prigioni, Kidd, smith, Novak and Amare would beat half the teams starting fives in the league.

Stop being so cynical and see that barring injury, Miami could be in a heap of trouble come ECF time. This Knicks team is by far the deepest in the NBA.

Captain Moroni
12-14-2012, 01:36 AM
Doesn't really matter the Heat will take them out in the playoffs .

I know, everything they've shown this year screams that...lol

sharqstealth
12-14-2012, 01:47 AM
Its so tough to beat a team with Chris Duhon starting pg?

Yeah, and easy to beat a team with Deron Williams as the starting pg.

sep11ie
12-14-2012, 01:49 AM
This is just entirely too much :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

The funny thing is DoMefavors spelled dudes wrong in his profile.

DoMeFavors
12-14-2012, 01:57 AM
I am not trying to drain the excitment of Knick fans, they are doing well but when Nets get to the playoffs...Knicks are one of the teams I want to face because I think its going to be an easy win. Most fans think the same way. Heat are scary, Celtics have expierence.

DoMeFavors
12-14-2012, 02:02 AM
Whats your point Jkidd, Sheed and Tyson went to the finals and won it, c an you say that about anyone on your team and oh yeah Camby has also been to the finals

Only Tyson counts (who didnt do much in the finals) since the others are way old and arent even close to how they were in those finals.

Max.This
12-14-2012, 02:08 AM
Only Tyson counts (who didnt do much in the finals) since the others are way old and arent even close to how they were in those finals.

I think the knicks are a better matchup for teams then say Miami, but if Amare and Shumpert can be implemented in positive ways on top of the current team, the knicks will demolish the nets. I mean flat out kick their ***

--23--
12-14-2012, 02:10 AM
We are just getting to the quarter mark of the season and we're already picking champions? All I see is the Knicks making one jump shot after another...never seen a team advance past the 2nd round of the play-offs that way. By 86 games, the shooting touch fades and you have to depend on the most efficient shots...that's what the Knicks lack.

:confused: You do know the Mavs won a title like that? also Suns(05', 06' 10') made it to the WCF, Magic 09' made it to the finals & 10' they made it to the ECF. You can also add last year Spurs team along with the Heat, other than LBJ and Wade they're a small jump shooting team.

So it's been done before.

DoMeFavors
12-14-2012, 02:11 AM
I think the knicks are a better matchup for teams then say Miami, but if Amare and Shumpert can be implemented in positive ways on top of the current team, the knicks will demolish the nets. I mean flat out kick their ***

Shumpert.....lol he is awful

Knicks havent demolished Nets once, Nets beat them both times...O yeah I forgot Kidd knew he was going to lose and couldnt spend more time out there in case of OT cause he is so old so he cheated by kicking his leg out.

Max.This
12-14-2012, 02:14 AM
Shumpert.....lol he is awful

Knicks havent demolished Nets once, Nets beat them both times...O yeah I forgot Kidd knew he was going to lose and couldnt spend more time out there in case of OT cause he is so old so he cheated by kicking his leg out.

You are in your own world man. Many of us knicks fans have been following shumpert and you will see that hes been working on his jumpshot since his injury. Awful? are you out your damn mind. Kidd is a smart player. How did he know he was going to lose? when he did the kick , the game was tied fool.

Max.This
12-14-2012, 02:23 AM
and the nets knew they were going to lose thats why they missed multiple shots in their last possession. Also thats why they didnt call a timeout because they knew that a timeout would lead to a better playset, shot.

Gideon
12-14-2012, 02:27 AM
DoMeDumDum is like talking to a child. He knows the Knicks are the better team, but he just can't admit to it cause it will have proved him wrong all along. It's ok man just concede already and move on.

Evolution23
12-14-2012, 02:43 AM
I keep going back to this. My Wolves, around the 2001-02' season or so, started 30-10, and then regressed to the mean. I simply can't take a team seriously as being elite until later in the season. I just can't.

I know you can't but you will...

Evolution23
12-14-2012, 02:47 AM
My point is, when a team that has not been a contender all of a sudden jumps out to a great record, that should set off some signals. The season is peaks and valleys. NY started peaking, the valley will set it. It always does. How quickly they can get through them will define their record to end the season.

I used one example. There are plenty. Its not as if this would be a concern of mine if it were Miami, OKC, or SA. They are perennial contenders now. It's just so difficult to jump from a non-playoff team, or a team that has won a single playoff game in a decade, to real contenders.

Too early for this is my point. Lets get late in the season, and see where they are.

They were a playoff team the last 2 seasons. What does the last decade have to do with this team? Completly different roster. Last year they didn't have 3 legit Point guards to run the show and set up our scorers. As you can see, that's been the biggest difference. People like $29 Jersey and I have been saying this since the start of the season. They are deep at every position and are playing defense. That "too early" argument is done, they have beaten great teams and good teams. This was done with their toughest part of the schedule.

Evolution23
12-14-2012, 02:50 AM
Your points mean nothing when talking about this years Knicks. If Lin, fields, Bibby, Douglas, jorts, jefferies, Davis, walker, and Balkman were on this team and Dantoni was coaching them to a 17-5 record you would have a valid point.

Miami was not a contender until Bosh and LeBron joined the ranks, they weren't champions until battier hopped on board.

The Knicks added.....

Jason Kidd-future hall of famer NBA champion coach on the court
Pablo Prigioni- 35 year old Euro allstar PG
Rasheed Wallace- smart veteran big who is personal friends with coach Woodson. His professional attitude is infectious.
Ronnie Brewer- defensive specialist under coach Thibs and Chicagos shut down system
Raymond Felton- New York proven P&R PG who is a true pass first one.
Marcus Camby-solid veteran five (has barely played so far)

In the last year, they also added chandler, Novak, Copeland and white.

Mike Woodson is 35-11.

You continue to look backwards at a team that quite frankly doesn't exist anymore.

By January the second unit of Prigioni, Kidd, smith, Novak and Amare would beat half the teams starting fives in the league.

Stop being so cynical and see that barring injury, Miami could be in a heap of trouble come ECF time. This Knicks team is by far the deepest in the NBA.

Well put.

Jarvo
12-14-2012, 03:04 AM
Ehh waiting to see how they are in the Playoffs.

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12-14-2012, 05:03 AM
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sintaks12
12-14-2012, 09:30 AM
Felton and Brewer are not this good from range. Fact.

Things can change. Recognize.

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ewing
12-14-2012, 10:09 AM
Um no


You ****ing lie. If i played d1 i'd tell anyone who wanted to know.

ewing
12-14-2012, 10:11 AM
I am aware. And destroyed by Miami. Look, I just need to see them in real games before I buy it.


Are these games fake? If you have wait to see them beat contenders in the playoffs to believe they are contenders why don't you just say i don't think they are that good instead of hedging your bets

ewing
12-14-2012, 10:14 AM
Not really. That would be making outlandish statements with no substance.

Sorry, I need to see more. Over 82+. Is that so much to ask when trying to decide if a team is elite?

Yes, if you wait for them to beat contender or get smoked there is no conversation b/c it already happened

Missing56&33
12-14-2012, 11:55 AM
The Knicks earned their 17-5 record...I'm excited...I'm optimistic..I'm hopeful but there are areas id concern. Rebounding....is my main concern...we have to get better on the glass.

KnickFanSince91
12-14-2012, 11:56 AM
Don't let the Barkley talking points fool you--as Kenny pointed out, the Knicks aren't taking a bunch of jumpers for the sake of taking them. They are taking and hitting WIDE OPEN jumpers that any NBA player should be able to make consistently. You can't make a living making contested jumpers but open shots are money in the bank.

The smaller line up we've been running since Amar'e been out is the reason we get killed on the glass on a nightly basis but when he gets back, his extra 8+ boards per night will help.

They keys for the Knicks if we wanna stay on top in the East is to defend consistently every night and take care of the basketball. We go through stretches where teams waltz through the paint and we have to tighten that up. Other than that, there are not many flaws on this team and anybody who isn't a believer by now is just nitpicking for the hell of it.

koreancabbage
12-14-2012, 12:07 PM
Shumpert.....lol he is awful

Knicks havent demolished Nets once, Nets beat them both times...O yeah I forgot Kidd knew he was going to lose and couldnt spend more time out there in case of OT cause he is so old so he cheated by kicking his leg out.

lets try a line of DMF proportions.

Knicks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nets

ILLUSIONIST^248
12-14-2012, 12:16 PM
I know, everything they've shown this year screams that...lol

Every year "the Knicks are back " . You will make it out of the first round this year tho

ewing
12-14-2012, 12:18 PM
Don't let the Barkley talking points fool you--as Kenny pointed out, the Knicks aren't taking a bunch of jumpers for the sake of taking them. They are taking and hitting WIDE OPEN jumpers that any NBA player should be able to make consistently. You can't make a living making contested jumpers but open shots are money in the bank.

The smaller line up we've been running since Amar'e been out is the reason we get killed on the glass on a nightly basis but when he gets back, his extra 8+ boards per night will help.

They keys for the Knicks if we wanna stay on top in the East is to defend consistently every night and take care of the basketball. We go through stretches where teams waltz through the paint and we have to tighten that up. Other than that, there are not many flaws on this team and anybody who isn't a believer by now is just nitpicking for the hell of it.

I agree. I think they will take care of the ball but the D hasn't been as consistent of late. It maybe that teams offenses are really getting in the flow now that we are a bit into the season to but we haven't been able to get the same guard pressure and create the same havoc as we did to start the season.

KNICKSTAPE 914
12-14-2012, 12:18 PM
lets try a line of DMF proportions.

Knicks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nets

yeah but thats a true statement, so thats not something DoMeInTheBunghole would say

KNICKSTAPE 914
12-14-2012, 12:19 PM
only a matter of time until DoMeInTheCloset takes his ball and goes home LOL! he doesnt have that flare to him anymore...his feeble 15 year old mind cant take all the embarassment...i see it coming soon...hes going to abandon this account and come back with a new account claiming to be a knicks fan and saying the opposite of everything hes been saying lately

pd1dish
12-14-2012, 12:23 PM
OKC lived and died by the jump shot all of last year. they stomped teams when the shots were falling. what happened when they came across a good defense and the shots werent falling from everywhere? they get annihilated by the Heat.

the Knicks are currently playing great and beating teams pretty easily but ive never seen a team that lives and dies by jump shots, especially the 3, consistently play for an entire season, let alone the playoffs.

KNICKSTAPE 914
12-14-2012, 12:36 PM
OKC lived and died by the jump shot all of last year. they stomped teams when the shots were falling. what happened when they came across a good defense and the shots werent falling from everywhere? they get annihilated by the Heat.

the Knicks are currently playing great and beating teams pretty easily but ive never seen a team that lives and dies by jump shots, especially the 3, consistently play for an entire season, let alone the playoffs.

two years ago...dallas mavericks...nuff said...and if it comes to that point where its time to play defense and grind it out im more then comfortable with our chances

D-Leethal
12-14-2012, 12:37 PM
I agree. I think they will take care of the ball but the D hasn't been as consistent of late. It maybe that team offensive are really getting in the flow now that we are a bit into the season to but we have been able to get the same guard pressure and create the same havoc as we did to start the season.

I think Shumpert will give us a spark defensively and the effort level will increase. Its a long season. We've shown the ability to play shutdown defense whenever we want to turn it up. Not many teams can turn it up 48 mins for 82 games on D like Thibs gets the Bulls to do.

D-Leethal
12-14-2012, 12:39 PM
OKC lived and died by the jump shot all of last year. they stomped teams when the shots were falling. what happened when they came across a good defense and the shots werent falling from everywhere? they get annihilated by the Heat.

the Knicks are currently playing great and beating teams pretty easily but ive never seen a team that lives and dies by jump shots, especially the 3, consistently play for an entire season, let alone the playoffs.

LOL. So OKC didn't play a good defense until they lost to the Heat?

Since when are the Heat NOT a jump shooting team? :confused:

Since when do the Heat grab boards?

Since when did the Heat not utilize a **** ton of 3 balls to ice the finals?

D-Leethal
12-14-2012, 12:40 PM
Keep reaching for the next big reason the Knicks are going to miraculously fall off. We will keep proving you wrong until your out of potential reasons its not gonna work.

ewing
12-14-2012, 12:49 PM
I think Shumpert will give us a spark defensively and the effort level will increase. Its a long season. We've shown the ability to play shutdown defense whenever we want to turn it up. Not many teams can turn it up 48 mins for 82 games on D like Thibs gets the Bulls to do.



Yeah that is Shump's bread and butter. I think some of the guys have let down a little. JR and Prig's are the 2 to that seem to always play like play like ball hawks.

Will 2 BE
12-14-2012, 12:50 PM
Im honestly tired of so many threads becoming Knicks threads. There are plenty of other stories in the NBA right now and im a lifelong Knicks fan. I love the discussions here on PSD but honestly can we talk about any thing besides the Knicks fast start or Carmello for MVP? I dont mind when its in the Knicks Forum, but when it gets out here it just becomes a Knicks fan bashfest

pd1dish
12-14-2012, 12:55 PM
LOL. So OKC didn't play a good defense until they lost to the Heat?

Since when are the Heat NOT a jump shooting team? :confused:

Since when do the Heat grab boards?

Since when did the Heat not utilize a **** ton of 3 balls to ice the finals?

i didnt say they werent playing good defenses before that. the problem with this website is that people's reading comprehension ****ing sucks. of course OKC played good defenses before that. they beat San Antonio in the western conference finals and they shot the ball extremely well and thats what it takes for jump-shooting teams, EVERYTHING must fall.

also, the Heat's best 2 players are not primarily jump shooters. so idk why you're confused. Lebron and Wade are best when going to the basket. if you're really comparing the Heat and Knicks, then i am going to disregard anything you say because those teams are COMPLETELY different. the Heat are supported by 3-point shooters while the Knicks RELY on 3-point shooters. theres a difference.

im sorry if i dont buy into Raymond Felton (the guy is playing out his ***), or if i think that JR Smith is a headcase and only a cancer to his team, or that Ronnie Brewer, who couldnt hit a jump shot to save his life no more than a year ago, is shooting 35% from 3, and i can keep going on and on about the roster..

you guys are playing great ball, i cant deny that, but Knick fans are already crowning themselves and we are about a fourth through the season. dont get upset if people dont think you are legit contenders...you havent been for a long time.

elledaddy
12-14-2012, 01:04 PM
OKC lived and died by the jump shot all of last year. they stomped teams when the shots were falling. what happened when they came across a good defense and the shots werent falling from everywhere? they get annihilated by the Heat.

the Knicks are currently playing great and beating teams pretty easily but ive never seen a team that lives and dies by jump shots, especially the 3, consistently play for an entire season, let alone the playoffs.


It just seems as though you are repeating other ppl's garbage. Yes they are making WIDE open jump shots because of ball movement. It makes me laugh when ppl say " what happens when shots dont fall"? Why would the ALL the Knicks suddenly start missing wide open jump shots? Most teams have 4 maybe 5 players on average who can shoot jump shots well. The Knicks have ( and Im not making this up) 12 players who can shoot jump shots ranging from average to great. Why would all 12 of them players all of a sudden just start missing shots? Specifically open shots. But back to your point, the Knicks dont " live and die" by jump shots. It's part of the team but it's not the ONLY part. Here's other things that are helping and will continue to help the NYK win..

10th in NBA in points allowed per game(defense)
6th in NBA in turnovers forced per game( defense)
3rd in NBA in steals per game(defense)
6th in NBA in FGs allowed per game( defense)
2nd in NBA in offensive rebounds allowed per game( defense)
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1st in NBA in turnovers per game(offense)


So you can see it's things besides jump shots contributing to NYK winning thus far

NYY 26 to 7
12-14-2012, 01:15 PM
i didnt say they werent playing good defenses before that. the problem with this website is that people's reading comprehension ****ing sucks. of course OKC played good defenses before that. they beat San Antonio in the western conference finals and they shot the ball extremely well and thats what it takes for jump-shooting teams, EVERYTHING must fall.

also, the Heat's best 2 players are not primarily jump shooters. so idk why you're confused. Lebron and Wade are best when going to the basket. if you're really comparing the Heat and Knicks, then i am going to disregard anything you say because those teams are COMPLETELY different. the Heat are supported by 3-point shooters while the Knicks RELY on 3-point shooters. theres a difference.

im sorry if i dont buy into Raymond Felton (the guy is playing out his ***), or if i think that JR Smith is a headcase and only a cancer to his team, or that Ronnie Brewer, who couldnt hit a jump shot to save his life no more than a year ago, is shooting 35% from 3, and i can keep going on and on about the roster..

you guys are playing great ball, i cant deny that, but Knick fans are already crowning themselves and we are about a fourth through the season. dont get upset if people dont think you are legit contenders...you havent been for a long time.

Contender to me is a top 3-4 seed in each conference - no one is crowning anyone but the difference between crowning and people thinking the Knicks are going to sink back to a .500 team is a wide gap and I would doubt those people have watched the Knicks much. I don't get when people think there are only 2-3 teams that can possibly win.

You should buy into Felton because he really isn't playing over his head - this is how he played in his last stint with the Knicks and then tanked when he left. He is a solid player and if you've been watching there really isn't anything crazy he is doing - he is very quick and strong and uses that to take advantage on the pick and roll. The thing about the Knicks 3's is they are all good shots coming on skip passes and ball reversal. Open 3's are different than just jacking up 3's. I never liked the D'Antoni style of put up the 1st 3 you can but this team goes to Melo in the post or gets penetration on the p&r and then gets it out for open 3's. If you take away the 3 Melo can take advantage inside or Felton can go to the hoop or hit Chandler on the roll. Its really not just guys out there jacking 3's - its a good offense and ball movement getting guys open. This team just takes what the D gives.

I'm skeptical of JR as well but he says he has stopped partying and working harder and seems to have really fit in his role because it seems Woody has really gotten to him. Brewer has been a part time player that will be phased out once Shump is back who is better defensively and a better shooter so Brewer shouldn't be much of an issue but certainly his early shooting was a surprise (although of late he has not been good). Woodson and JKidd have changed this team and I would say just watch and you will see why this record is not a fluke.

For your point of jump shooting teams - the Mavs from 2 years ago. This team is basically built to be very similar to that team. As a Knicks fan I'm really not concerned too much about the shooting (I am concerned about the rebounding though) because the quality of the shots because of the ball movement has been great.

elledaddy
12-14-2012, 01:22 PM
live and die by the three while getting pounded on the glass



I dont know why you said that the Knicks get " pounded" on the glass. Did you just repeat Barkley or something? The Knicks get outrebounded by 4 rebounds per game,thats all 4. They also shoot the ball 5 more times than their opponent opponent per game. Do you see the connection? Shoot 5 more shots and give up 4 more rebounds. Thats an excuse that ppl keep using to discredit the Knicks. Here's my question, how do the Knicks get " pounded on the boards" and give up the second fewest offensive rebounds in the NBA? Seems a little off to me.

Federal Reserve
12-14-2012, 01:25 PM
The only numbers that matter: 17-5.

rocky4104
12-14-2012, 01:26 PM
unbiased fan here. the way the knicks are playing right now lead by a "reformed" anthony, with a bench led by grizzled veterans, with 2 more rotation players waiting to come back, this team will only get better

legit.

nycericanguy
12-14-2012, 01:27 PM
i didnt say they werent playing good defenses before that. the problem with this website is that people's reading comprehension ****ing sucks. of course OKC played good defenses before that. they beat San Antonio in the western conference finals and they shot the ball extremely well and thats what it takes for jump-shooting teams, EVERYTHING must fall.

also, the Heat's best 2 players are not primarily jump shooters. so idk why you're confused. Lebron and Wade are best when going to the basket. if you're really comparing the Heat and Knicks, then i am going to disregard anything you say because those teams are COMPLETELY different. the Heat are supported by 3-point shooters while the Knicks RELY on 3-point shooters. theres a difference.

im sorry if i dont buy into Raymond Felton (the guy is playing out his ***), or if i think that JR Smith is a headcase and only a cancer to his team, or that Ronnie Brewer, who couldnt hit a jump shot to save his life no more than a year ago, is shooting 35% from 3, and i can keep going on and on about the roster..

you guys are playing great ball, i cant deny that, but Knick fans are already crowning themselves and we are about a fourth through the season. dont get upset if people dont think you are legit contenders...you havent been for a long time.

No one is crowning anything.

I don't get why people are legitimately upset that NY is good. NY is the only team that gets questioned.

MIA & OKC are both shooting 3's better than NY, yet I haven't heard even one person ever say those teams and their shooting will come back down to earth.

Knicks are 35-11 under Woody now...they aren't just all of a sudden going to stop playing defense, and they aren't all of a sudden going to turn into a bad 3 point shooting team.

Felton playing out of his mind? :facepalm: Really? He's actually been struggling quite a bit and him and JR are only shooting 40%.

And so what if Brewer is shooting 35% from 3? Is that really amazing? He plays like 20mpg and shoots like 2 per game. You act like its some sort of miracle and NY's season hinges on Brewers shooting... You can do better than that.

ewing
12-14-2012, 01:29 PM
No one is crowning anything.

I don't get why people are legitimately upset that NY is good. NY is the only team that gets questioned.

MIA & OKC are both shooting 3's better than NY, yet I haven't heard even one person ever say those teams and their shooting will come back down to earth.

Knicks are 35-11 under Woody now...they aren't just all of a sudden going to stop playing defense, and they aren't all of a sudden going to turn into a bad 3 point shooting team.

Felton playing out of his mind? :facepalm: Really? He's actually been struggling quite a bit and him and JR are only shooting 40%.

And so what if Brewer is shooting 35% from 3? Is that really amazing? He plays like 20mpg and shoots like 2 per game. You act like its some sort of miracle and NY's season hinges on Brewers shooting... You can do better than that.

beat me too it :clap:

D-Leethal
12-14-2012, 01:35 PM
I dont know why you said that the Knicks get " pounded" on the glass. Did you just repeat Barkley or something? The Knicks get outrebounded by 4 rebounds per game,thats all 4. They also shoot the ball 5 more times than their opponent opponent per game. Do you see the connection? Shoot 5 more shots and give up 4 more rebounds. Thats an excuse that ppl keep using to discredit the Knicks. Here's my question, how do the Knicks get " pounded on the boards" and give up the second fewest offensive rebounds in the NBA? Seems a little off to me.

We make up for the boards we give up by forcing TO's and giving up way less than any other team in the league.

HouRealCoach
12-14-2012, 01:38 PM
I dont know why you said that the Knicks get " pounded" on the glass. Did you just repeat Barkley or something? The Knicks get outrebounded by 4 rebounds per game,thats all 4. They also shoot the ball 5 more times than their opponent opponent per game. Do you see the connection? Shoot 5 more shots and give up 4 more rebounds. Thats an excuse that ppl keep using to discredit the Knicks. Here's my question, how do the Knicks get " pounded on the boards" and give up the second fewest offensive rebounds in the NBA? Seems a little off to me.


No one is crowning anything.

I don't get why people are legitimately upset that NY is good. NY is the only team that gets questioned.

MIA & OKC are both shooting 3's better than NY, yet I haven't heard even one person ever say those teams and their shooting will come back down to earth.

Knicks are 35-11 under Woody now...they aren't just all of a sudden going to stop playing defense, and they aren't all of a sudden going to turn into a bad 3 point shooting team.

Felton playing out of his mind? :facepalm: Really? He's actually been struggling quite a bit and him and JR are only shooting 40%.

And so what if Brewer is shooting 35% from 3? Is that really amazing? He plays like 20mpg and shoots like 2 per game. You act like its some sort of miracle and NY's season hinges on Brewers shooting... You can do better than that.

These two = BEAST.. :box::lift::win:

Jroz
12-14-2012, 02:09 PM
The only good shooter really is Novak. Kidd, Felton, Smith, Sheed, are all so streaky, but everything has gone in this season. That won't work in the playoffs when nothing falls. But that remains to be seen.

I'd agree Felton/Smith/Sheed are a bit streaky..but Kidd is leading the league this year in 3point %

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/3PointS.jsp?league=00&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qualified=Y&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=

And Kidd is what..3rd all-time in 3point field goals made behind Allen and Reggie?...a domefavors answer to that is - yea because he's 95 :)

ewing
12-14-2012, 02:28 PM
The only good shooter really is Novak. Kidd, Felton, Smith, Sheed, are all so streaky, but everything has gone in this season. That won't work in the playoffs when nothing falls. But that remains to be seen.


Judging everyone on the Novak's standard isn't fair. If it was there would only be like 5 guys in the league that can shoot at all. Anyway with regard to the guys that everything has gone in for so far this year:

JR Smith is currently shooting just below his career average from 3.

Kidd is on fire but like someone else said he is 3rd in all time makes so it not like a he can't shoot.

Raymond Felton is shooting better then his career average from 3 but is also only shooting 40% from the field. I'd expect him to go up a little overall and come down a little from 3.

Sheed is shooting 32% from downtown. Honestly that's not that good

So the the only guy shooting significantly better then you could expect is Kidd and he is a shooter. The Knicks players are not hitting everything and assuming nothing will fall in the playoff doesn't make sense.

RonE Coleman
12-14-2012, 02:29 PM
The only numbers that matter: 17-5.

Im in love w your sig, Cheryl Cole <3

Philapsychosis
12-14-2012, 02:57 PM
Domefavors is the best dude on this forum haha. The fact that you idiots keep falling for it astonishes me.

I honestly can't see why anyone is arguing with Hawkeye. Everyone just wants to jump out and hear what they wanna hear. Trithfully, the Knicks could look as good as they want right now, which is pretty damn good. Lets see at the end of the season. Mainly the playoffs.

smood999
12-14-2012, 03:04 PM
I keep going back to this. My Wolves, around the 2001-02' season or so, started 30-10, and then regressed to the mean. I simply can't take a team seriously as being elite until later in the season. I just can't.


My point is, when a team that has not been a contender all of a sudden jumps out to a great record, that should set off some signals. The season is peaks and valleys. NY started peaking, the valley will set it. It always does. How quickly they can get through them will define their record to end the season.

I used one example. There are plenty. Its not as if this would be a concern of mine if it were Miami, OKC, or SA. They are perennial contenders now. It's just so difficult to jump from a non-playoff team, or a team that has won a single playoff game in a decade, to real contenders.

Too early for this is my point. Lets get late in the season, and see where they are.

I agree that it's still too early and that anything can happen but you are acting as if this is the same Knick team from prior yrs...this team has probably gone through as much roster change as any other team every yr for the past 3 yrs, including this past offseason and including a coaching change....so what exactly are you basing it on? Kidd, Brewer, Wallace, Camby, Felton, Prigioni, Thomas, Copeland, White were not with the team last yr...so no one has seen this collection of players play together to be able to judge on past team performances..

2nd when the Knicks switched to Woodson they went 18-6 to finish the season, they are 17-5 now...and only 1 home loss that entire time...judging how they finished the season and how they started this season, it's starting to seem like it's more of a trend...that's a 46 game sample under Woodson

3rd even you can admit that they have pretty much underachieved the pas 2 seasons and you cant underachieve without there being some kind of expectation there...there were factors such as no training camp, constant roster changes, coaching philosophy, never being healthy and the biggest one not having stability at the point that I've argued the past couple yrs how much of an unknown this team truly is

At some point before every team was a contender, they weren't very good or just avg...again to what you're saying, I'm not sure but you would've had to feel the same about OKC, CHI, MEM in these past few yrs...3 teams that pretty much went in the same pattern as the Knicks...the Knicks have been gradually better each yr before now the same with those teams before they burst on to the scene

Again, I agree it's too early but some respect is due and at some point you have to start believing what your eyes are seeing...championship contender, idk if they can beat MIA in a series...one of the top 2 or 3 teams in the East though, yes

b@llhog24
12-14-2012, 03:21 PM
It's gonna be fun watching the Knicks go through a rough patch this season.

Da Knicks
12-14-2012, 03:24 PM
I agree that it's still too early and that anything can happen but you are acting as if this is the same Knick team from prior yrs...this team has probably gone through as much roster change as any other team every yr for the past 3 yrs, including this past offseason and including a coaching change....so what exactly are you basing it on? Kidd, Brewer, Wallace, Camby, Felton, Prigioni, Thomas, Copeland, White were not with the team last yr...so no one has seen this collection of players play together to be able to judge on past team performances..

2nd when the Knicks switched to Woodson they went 18-6 to finish the season, they are 17-5 now...and only 1 home loss that entire time...judging how they finished the season and how they started this season, it's starting to seem like it's more of a trend...that's a 46 game sample under Woodson

3rd even you can admit that they have pretty much underachieved the pas 2 seasons and you cant underachieve without there being some kind of expectation there...there were factors such as no training camp, constant roster changes, coaching philosophy, never being healthy and the biggest one not having stability at the point that I've argued the past couple yrs how much of an unknown this team truly is

At some point before every team was a contender, they weren't very good or just avg...again to what you're saying, I'm not sure but you would've had to feel the same about OKC, CHI, MEM in these past few yrs...3 teams that pretty much went in the same pattern as the Knicks...the Knicks have been gradually better each yr before now the same with those teams before they burst on to the scene

Again, I agree it's too early but some respect is due and at some point you have to start believing what your eyes are seeing...championship contender, idk if they can beat MIA in a series...one of the top 2 or 3 teams in the East though, yes

just let it be, i was arguing with all these guys that Melo was one of the top 5 players and got laughed at. Ill just let Melo and the knicks make everyone look like barkley did yesterday...

nycericanguy
12-14-2012, 03:24 PM
It's gonna be fun watching the Knicks go through a rough patch this season.

haha... that sounds like the very definition of a hater, waiting for someone to do bad to feel good about it...:facepalm:

and yes, they will go through a rough patch, heck they kind of already did losing those 2 back to back games in Texas and being blown out by HOU

b@llhog24
12-14-2012, 04:14 PM
It's gonna be fun watching the Knicks go through a rough patch this season.

haha... that sounds like the very definition of a hater, waiting for someone to do bad to feel good about it...:facepalm:

and yes, they will go through a rough patch, heck they kind of already did losing those 2 back to back games in Texas and being blown out by HOU

Then don't watch.

D-Leethal
12-14-2012, 04:53 PM
Then don't watch.

Bonafide hater. Why so salty?

D-Leethal
12-14-2012, 04:54 PM
Another Kings fan that hates the Knicks? What'd we ever do to your sorry *** franchise?

sixer04fan
12-14-2012, 05:38 PM
The Knicks look pretty damn legit to me. They're playing better than anyone in the league, blowing out teams (highest point differential in the east by far), and have been since the beginning of the season.

Do I expect them to sustain this level of success for the whole season? No. They have a .773 winning percentage, which would be good for 63-64 wins on the season. I think they're good, but I just don't see that. There are also a few patterns with the team that just seem pretty unsustainable.

First of all, they're chucking up 29 threes a game, and making a ridiculous amount of them (12 a game), shooting at a .412 clip as a team. A lot of that has to do with their great ball distribution and depth of quality three point shooters (Novak, Kidd, Smith, Melo, Sheed, etc.), but I think that rate will still come down. I mean, Melo is shooting nearly 6 threes a game at 46% percent. He's having a fantastic year and is deep in the mix for MVP, but that seems unsustainable.

They also have one of the highest offensive efficiencies of all time right now, but are only average in defensive efficiency compared to the rest of the league (15th). Even though they're playing so well, I would expect the offensive efficiency to fall back down to earth at least slightly throughout the season.

I'm not really buying into the "Amare will mess up their chemistry when he comes back" notion at this point. I was a big believer that Amare and Melo would never figure it out together up through last season, but it appears that Melo has "figured it out" on his own, and he's playing like a different type of player right now, and it's making everyone else around him better. I think now when Amare does come back, the Knicks should still be fine going forward. Although, anticipating at least a slight setback is reasonable, just due to the fact that your adding another high profile player that needs the ball in his hands to be effective.

However, one thing you cannot overlook, is that this Knicks team is the oldest team in league history. Literally. They are the oldest by average age in the history of the NBA. I'm not saying you can't win with that formula, but injuries and fatigue are always a factor that can never be ignored. In having the oldest team ever, your stacking the odds against you that you can get lucky and avoid injuries/fatigue at the end of the season.

Having said all that, I'm sticking with my original point. The Knicks ARE legit. They shouldn't be ignored or doubted at this point. They're playing better ball than anyone in the league pretty much. The playoffs will be a different animal obviously, but for now it looks like they have a formula down for beating the Heat, and other good teams. I can definitely see them winning the Atlantic with relative ease over Boston, Brooklyn, and Philly. And I see them contending for a top 2 playoff seed, and being one of the favorites out of the east.

nycericanguy
12-14-2012, 05:53 PM
The Knicks look pretty damn legit to me. They're playing better than anyone in the league, blowing out teams (highest point differential in the east by far), and have been since the beginning of the season.

Do I expect them to sustain this level of success for the whole season? No. They have a .773 winning percentage, which would be good for 63-64 wins on the season. I think they're good, but I just don't see that. There are also a few patterns with the team that just seem pretty unsustainable.

First of all, they're chucking up 29 threes a game, and making a ridiculous amount of them (12 a game), shooting at a .412 clip as a team. A lot of that has to do with their great ball distribution and depth of quality three point shooters (Novak, Kidd, Smith, Melo, Sheed, etc.), but I think that rate will still come down. I mean, Melo is shooting nearly 6 threes a game at 46% percent. He's having a fantastic year and is deep in the mix for MVP, but that seems unsustainable.

They also have one of the highest offensive efficiencies of all time right now, but are only average in defensive efficiency compared to the rest of the league (15th). Even though they're playing so well, I would expect the offensive efficiency to fall back down to earth at least slightly throughout the season.

I'm not really buying into the "Amare will mess up their chemistry when he comes back" notion at this point. I was a big believer that Amare and Melo would never figure it out together up through last season, but it appears that Melo has "figured it out" on his own, and he's playing like a different type of player right now, and it's making everyone else around him better. I think now when Amare does come back, the Knicks should still be fine going forward. Although, anticipating at least a slight setback is reasonable, just due to the fact that your adding another high profile player that needs the ball in his hands to be effective.

However, one thing you cannot overlook, is that this Knicks team is the oldest team in league history. Literally. They are the oldest by average age in the history of the NBA. I'm not saying you can't win with that formula, but injuries and fatigue are always a factor that can never be ignored. In having the oldest team ever, your stacking the odds against you that you can get lucky and avoid injuries/fatigue at the end of the season.

Having said all that, I'm sticking with my original point. The Knicks ARE legit. They shouldn't be ignored or doubted at this point. They're playing better ball than anyone in the league pretty much. The playoffs will be a different animal obviously, but for now it looks like they have a formula down for beating the Heat, and other good teams. I can definitely see them winning the Atlantic with relative ease over Boston, Brooklyn, and Philly. And I see them contending for a top 2 playoff seed, and being one of the favorites out of the east.

I kinda stopped reading there, because that's what everyone wants to say... but people that actually watch the Knicks know that's not the case.

Someone wrote an article after the BK game in which NY took 28 three's... a whopping 20 of them were WIDE OPEN shots. That's just smart basketball and good ball movement and the product of an unselfish team with 3 smart PG's.

They are also routinely getting more shots than their opponents as well, because they simply don't turn the ball over.

So yea I agree that they probably won't shoot 41% from 3 all year, just like OKC & MIA probably won't shoot 43% from 3 all year, but I think they'll stay fairly close to that, because the vast majority of the looks they are getting are very good shots.

If they come down to 37% or so, I don't think that affects them too much, we're not talking about a team that is squeaking out wins by 2 or 3 points, NY like you said, has by far the highest PPG differential in the East, and that's usually a good indicator of a truly elite team.

A fluke to me, or a team that cannot sustain would be a team shooting 41% from 3 and still only having a few point differential.

Sactown
12-14-2012, 05:59 PM
I hate that PSD HAS TO judge teams so early, why can't we wait till we're 3/4 of the season through to deem a team "LEGIT" Almost every year a team starts off hot and cools down, not saying it's the Knicks, but there's a chance it is.. Although they're looking good and I can't deny that.

Also let's remember it's almost impossible to maintain the 3pt% they're shooting at so I'd expect that to go down, so it'll be interesting to see what they do to get better closer shots at the rim.

b@llhog24
12-14-2012, 06:01 PM
Then don't watch.

Bonafide hater. Why so salty?

Cause I did it for the llulz.

Sactown
12-14-2012, 06:05 PM
Also I'd be concerned as a Knicks fan to see that my team is
21st In FTA
and tied for 13th for FGA a game,but leading the league in 3PTA
also they're 28th in rebound differential and also in the bottom half of opponents FG%
They're also allowing other teams to hit a high clip from the 3pt line

Those are some concerning numbers, but the season is still young, although they are great at not turning the ball over.

sixer04fan
12-14-2012, 06:08 PM
I kinda stopped reading there, because that's what everyone wants to say... but people that actually watch the Knicks know that's not the case.

Someone wrote an article after the BK game in which NY took 28 three's... a whopping 20 of them were WIDE OPEN shots. That's just smart basketball and good ball movement and the product of an unselfish team with 3 smart PG's.

They are also routinely getting more shots than their opponents as well, because they simply don't turn the ball over.

So yea I agree that they probably won't shoot 41% from 3 all year, just like OKC & MIA probably won't shoot 43% from 3 all year, but I think they'll stay fairly close to that, because the vast majority of the looks they are getting are very good shots.

If they come down to 37% or so, I don't think that affects them too much, we're not talking about a team that is squeaking out wins by 2 or 3 points, NY like you said, has by far the highest PPG differential in the East, and that's usually a good indicator of a truly elite team.

A fluke to me, or a team that cannot sustain would be a team shooting 41% from 3 and still only having a few point differential.

If you wouldn't have stopped reading there, you wouldn't have needed to post this message. Because everything you said that only "people that actually watch the Knicks" know, I basically said the exact same thing. I said the Knicks are a great team and pretty much complimented them throughout my entire post. Which is hard enough to do as a Sixers fan. I wasn't brushing them off for shooting 30 threes a night. I was being completely unbiased and explained only why that may be unsustainable.

I apologize if saying that they're playing the best ball in the league, that they'll run away with the division, and that they've already shown they have a formula for beating the Heat and are one of the favorites to win the east isn't good enough for you. I went way above and beyond saying that the "Knicks are legit." I figured a Knicks fan would be interested in reading what I have to say to support that.

Kashmir13579
12-14-2012, 06:11 PM
Also I'd be concerned as a Knicks fan to see that my team is
21st In FTA
and tied for 13th for FGA a game,but leading the league in 3PTA
also they're 28th in rebound differential and also in the bottom half of opponents FG%
They're also allowing other teams to hit a high clip from the 3pt line

Those are some concerning numbers, but the season is still young, although they are great at not turning the ball over.

As a Kings fan, what are you concerned with?

LoveMeOrHateMe
12-14-2012, 06:14 PM
Its so tough to beat a team with Chris Duhon starting pg?

This... oh wait he's on my favorite team smh :facepalm:

Sactown
12-14-2012, 06:15 PM
As a Kings fan, what are you concerned with?

Opponents FG%
Our FG%
Assist and turnovers
overall talent
coaching
GM
Owners
Moving
Everything basketball related lol...
we're a mess.

LoveMeOrHateMe
12-14-2012, 06:15 PM
Another Kings fan that hates the Knicks? What'd we ever do to your sorry *** franchise?

Oh the irony :rolleyes:

Kashmir13579
12-14-2012, 06:16 PM
Opponents FG%
Our FG%
Assist and turnovers
overall talent
coaching
GM
Owners
Moving
Everything basketball related lol...
we're a mess.

So there you have it folks.. Sactowns favorite team is in utter shambles.. From the horses mouth.

RonE Coleman
12-14-2012, 06:17 PM
The Knicks look pretty damn legit to me. They're playing better than anyone in the league, blowing out teams (highest point differential in the east by far), and have been since the beginning of the season.

Do I expect them to sustain this level of success for the whole season? No. They have a .773 winning percentage, which would be good for 63-64 wins on the season. I think they're good, but I just don't see that. There are also a few patterns with the team that just seem pretty unsustainable.

First of all, they're chucking up 29 threes a game, and making a ridiculous amount of them (12 a game), shooting at a .412 clip as a team. A lot of that has to do with their great ball distribution and depth of quality three point shooters (Novak, Kidd, Smith, Melo, Sheed, etc.), but I think that rate will still come down. I mean, Melo is shooting nearly 6 threes a game at 46% percent. He's having a fantastic year and is deep in the mix for MVP, but that seems unsustainable.

They also have one of the highest offensive efficiencies of all time right now, but are only average in defensive efficiency compared to the rest of the league (15th). Even though they're playing so well, I would expect the offensive efficiency to fall back down to earth at least slightly throughout the season.

I'm not really buying into the "Amare will mess up their chemistry when he comes back" notion at this point. I was a big believer that Amare and Melo would never figure it out together up through last season, but it appears that Melo has "figured it out" on his own, and he's playing like a different type of player right now, and it's making everyone else around him better. I think now when Amare does come back, the Knicks should still be fine going forward. Although, anticipating at least a slight setback is reasonable, just due to the fact that your adding another high profile player that needs the ball in his hands to be effective.

However, one thing you cannot overlook, is that this Knicks team is the oldest team in league history. Literally. They are the oldest by average age in the history of the NBA. I'm not saying you can't win with that formula, but injuries and fatigue are always a factor that can never be ignored. In having the oldest team ever, your stacking the odds against you that you can get lucky and avoid injuries/fatigue at the end of the season.

Having said all that, I'm sticking with my original point. The Knicks ARE legit. They shouldn't be ignored or doubted at this point. They're playing better ball than anyone in the league pretty much. The playoffs will be a different animal obviously, but for now it looks like they have a formula down for beating the Heat, and other good teams. I can definitely see them winning the Atlantic with relative ease over Boston, Brooklyn, and Philly. And I see them contending for a top 2 playoff seed, and being one of the favorites out of the east.

Solid post but the whole old thing is way overblown. Dont believe what the media tells you. The old guys besides J Kidd and Sheed are not counted on to play big minutes.

Kurt Thomas plays like no minutes, same thing with Camby so far.

Melo JR Felton Brewer Tyson Novak are the guys playing big minutes and all are 30 or younger. Not to mention when Amare and Shump come back Shump is 22 and Amare is 29 I believe. If you take over Kurt Thomas and Camby the average age significantly drops.

nycericanguy
12-14-2012, 06:23 PM
If you wouldn't have stopped reading there, you wouldn't have needed to post this message. Because everything you said that only "people that actually watch the Knicks" know, I basically said the exact same thing. I said the Knicks are a great team and pretty much complimented them throughout my entire post. Which is hard enough to do as a Sixers fan. I wasn't brushing them off for shooting 30 threes a night. I was being completely unbiased and explained only why that may be unsustainable.

I apologize if saying that they're playing the best ball in the league, that they'll run away with the division, and that they've already shown they have a formula for beating the Heat and are one of the favorites to win the east isn't good enough for you. I went way above and beyond saying that the "Knicks are legit." I figured a Knicks fan would be interested in reading what I have to say to support that.

my apologies, i guess i took a bit offense to the "chucking" term, because they def are not chucking.

Sactown
12-14-2012, 06:24 PM
So there you have it folks.. Sactowns favorite team is in utter shambles.. From the horses mouth.

I would never deny that, because even though I have emotional ties to my favorite team I'm capable of judging them with some perspective, I can see our team is in utter shambles and are honestly another bad year from re-rebuilding and having to trade away our assets for draft picks and trying again.. Being a fan doesn't mean you have to use homer goggles. I'm not attacking the Knicks, I'm just showing some concerns for them maintaining their streaks.

The Knicks rely on 3pt shooting, and don't turn over the ball, as they don't rebound well or hold other teams to a low FG%, They don't get to the FT line often. I'm just saying It's hard to win it all when you don't rebound well or get to the line. They essentially take one of the hardest shots in basketball on a consistent bases..

bucketss
12-14-2012, 06:26 PM
Oh the irony :rolleyes:

:laugh:

LAakaSoundtrak
12-14-2012, 06:28 PM
Unneeded thead.

But I agree with what Charles said. As freaking good as they are they can't win a championship off pure jump shooting.


Actually, the Knicks can win a championship this way just like the Mavs did and the Heat in their first championship. Neither of those teams were good rebounding teams but had multiple good shooters from the three. This Knicks team is definitely more talented and deeper than those teams plus play awesome defense. They currently have the best +/- turnover ratio in history and our playing without Stoudemire and Shumpert (defensive beast). Even the experts who usually hate on the Knicks have said the Knicks are the only team n the East that is capable of beating Miami in 7 but we'll just have to see on that one.

Kashmir13579
12-14-2012, 06:28 PM
I would never deny that, because even though I have emotional ties to my favorite team I'm capable of judging them with some perspective, I can see our team is in utter shambles and are honestly another bad year from re-rebuilding and having to trade away our assets for draft picks and trying again.. Being a fan doesn't mean you have to use homer goggles. I'm not attacking the Knicks, I'm just showing some concerns for them maintaining their streaks.

The Knicks rely on 3pt shooting, and don't turn over the ball, as they don't rebound well or hold other teams to a low FG%, They don't get to the FT line often. I'm just saying It's hard to win it all when you don't rebound well or get to the line. They essentially take one of the hardest shots in basketball on a consistent bases..
I'm not interesting in talking shop with someone so clueless. Sorry.

Sactown
12-14-2012, 06:32 PM
I'm not interesting in talking shop with someone so clueless. Sorry.

LOL how am I clueless, I've watched the Knicks and their stats indicate exactly what I am saying, they are #1 in 3PTA, they also don't get to the line a lot as indicated by being the 21st team in the league in that category, Also they don't turn the ball over which is what is allowing them to average 3 more shot attempts than their opponents DESPITE not being a good rebounding team as they are 28th in rebounding differential.. I would love to here you explain how I am clueless? So what the King suck, that doesn't make the Knicks a better rebounding team... So why bring it up? As if I care, Also the Knicks are a jump shooting team, they are, so were the Kings in 2002-2003 when they almost won it all.. I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying it's hard to win it all when you're constantly being pounded on the boards... you sir are the clueless one.

sixer04fan
12-14-2012, 06:35 PM
my apologies, i guess i took a bit offense to the "chucking" term, because they def are not chucking.

Nah it's all good. I just meant chucking as in "damn they're shooting a **** ton of threes" haha. It's incredible. But it's totally warranted, it's working. I personally don't think it will sustain at this high of a level, but I'm not saying it's a fluke. They are a great three point shooting team. I think we pretty much agree.

Yeah, usually chucking would be a negative term, as in they're just mindlessly throwing up dumb shots. Not the case at all here.

DoMeFavors
12-14-2012, 06:36 PM
So last week Nets were ahead of the Knicks in the EAST but now another week has gone by and they have the lead but they are legit not the Nets? You people buy too much into the hype just like Landry Fields and Lin were good basketball players...because they were talked up so highly.

sixer04fan
12-14-2012, 06:41 PM
So last week Nets were ahead of the Knicks in the EAST but now another week has gone by and they have the lead but they are legit not the Nets? You people buy too much into the hype just like Landry Fields and Lin were good basketball players...because they were talked up so highly.

It's different now. Those players were definitely overhyped, but those Knicks teams were weak and everyone knew it. The team is legit now, and people are respecting that.

And yes. The Knicks are playing better than the Nets. They look like a better team to everyone. If you can't see that and accept it, then you shouldn't take part in the conversation.

DoMeFavors
12-14-2012, 06:43 PM
It's different now. Those players were definitely overhyped, but those Knicks teams were weak and everyone knew it. The team is legit now, and people are respecting that.

And yes. The Knicks are playing better than the Nets. They look like a better team to everyone. If you can't see that and accept it, then you shouldn't take part in the conversation.

I could say the same to you, Nets are better if you cant see that and accept it then you should not take part in the conversation. What you say means nothing to me.

NYYCowboys
12-14-2012, 06:45 PM
I could say the same to you, Nets are better if you cant see that and accept it then you should not take part in the conversation. What you say means nothing to me.

You are such a joke.

Kashmir13579
12-14-2012, 06:45 PM
LOL how am I clueless, I've watched the Knicks and their stats indicate exactly what I am saying, they are #1 in 3PTA, they also don't get to the line a lot as indicated by being the 21st team in the league in that category, Also they don't turn the ball over which is what is allowing them to average 3 more shot attempts than their opponents DESPITE not being a good rebounding team as they are 28th in rebounding differential.. I would love to here you explain how I am clueless? So what the King suck, that doesn't make the Knicks a better rebounding team... So why bring it up? As if I care, Also the Knicks are a jump shooting team, they are, so were the Kings in 2002-2003 when they almost won it all.. I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying it's hard to win it all when you're constantly being pounded on the boards... you sir are the clueless one.

Understand that i don't take the time to read your posts. You had your chance and you failed miserably. You are bordering DoMeFavors status. That is all.

KnickaBocka.44
12-14-2012, 06:46 PM
I could say the same to you, Nets are better if you cant see that and accept it then you should not take part in the conversation. What you say means nothing to me.

You could say that but it would be wrong.

Sactown
12-14-2012, 06:47 PM
Understand that i don't take the time to read your posts. You had your chance and you failed miserably. You are bordering DoMeFavors status. That is all.

Lol you're such a homer it's disgusting.

sixer04fan
12-14-2012, 06:49 PM
I could say the same to you, Nets are better if you cant see that and accept it then you should not take part in the conversation. What you say means nothing to me.

Nets are better than the Knicks? I disagree 100%, but you're entitled to your own opinion, that's fine.

But I'm in agreement with the other 99% of people posting in this thread, and I'm having a conversation with them about the Knicks being legit. No one said anything about your Nets. Comparing the two teams is an entirely different discussion. And it's clear that you don't want to actually be a part of the conversation we're having, because you started something that is off-topic.

DoMeFavors
12-14-2012, 06:50 PM
Just looking at their roster a roster like this the Knicks doesnt win championships, Felton,Kidd, Ray Felton start that is a joke, JR Smith is a horrible 6th man shooter since he cant be controlled and he keeps shooting cant even hit 40%, their big men are Kurt Thomas and Rasheed if Melo or Chandler goes down. You will see...they have no depth at all. Teams get on hot streaks and they think highly of themselves right now but they are nothing to be scared about.

Gideon
12-14-2012, 06:53 PM
In such denial! Lol!

KnickaBocka.44
12-14-2012, 06:54 PM
Just looking at their roster a roster like this the Knicks doesnt win championships, Felton,Kidd, Ray Felton start that is a joke, JR Smith is a horrible 6th man shooter since he cant be controlled and he keeps shooting cant even hit 40%, their big men are Kurt Thomas and Rasheed if Melo or Chandler goes down. You will see...they have no depth at all. Teams get on hot streaks and they think highly of themselves right now but they are nothing to be scared about.

Actually they have a ton of depth and that is proven by the fact that they have the best record in the east without having 2 starters from last years team for the duration of the season up until this point.

DoMeFavors
12-14-2012, 06:56 PM
Actually they have a ton of depth and that is proven by the fact that they have the best record in the east without having 2 starters from last years team for the duration of the season up until this point.

yeah they were really good last year those two they won a lot of games.....one plays no defense and clogs the paint the other shoots like everytime and has a horrible per.

KnickaBocka.44
12-14-2012, 06:59 PM
yeah they were really good last year those two they won a lot of games.....one plays no defense and clogs the paint the other shoots like everytime and has a horrible per.

You obviously put a lot of thought into that one....

pd1dish
12-14-2012, 07:03 PM
No one is crowning anything.

I don't get why people are legitimately upset that NY is good. NY is the only team that gets questioned.

no one (or at least me) is "upset" that they are good. i just dont buy into ANY team unless they prove themselves for an entire season. and as far as NY being the only team being questioned..thats BS. i had to deal with people saying the Bulls werent legit contenders even though they had the #1 record back-to-back years and made the ECF with a healthy
Rose. play at this level all season and i will change my mind, but as of now, there is still a lot of basketball to be played.

MIA & OKC are both shooting 3's better than NY, yet I haven't heard even one person ever say those teams and their shooting will come back down to earth.

MIA and OKC, as far as im concerned, have proven themselves. theres not much to question there except for wondering if OKC is capable of knocking MIA out in the Finals. both teams have gotten it done in the regular season and have made it far in the playoffs or won it.

Knicks are 35-11 under Woody now...they aren't just all of a sudden going to stop playing defense, and they aren't all of a sudden going to turn into a bad 3 point shooting team.

yes, i saw their record under Woodson a few days ago and was impressed. the players are buying into his gameplan. thats great, but like i said, do it over the course of the season.

Felton playing out of his mind? :facepalm: Really? He's actually been struggling quite a bit and him and JR are only shooting 40%.

Felton may be shooting only 40% from the field, but hes 40% from 3

And so what if Brewer is shooting 35% from 3? Is that really amazing? He plays like 20mpg and shoots like 2 per game. You act like its some sort of miracle and NY's season hinges on Brewers shooting... You can do better than that.

im not saying that the success of the Knicks is reliant on Brewer...of course its not. just one of those things that when the shots are falling for a team, theyre falling for everybody including a guy whos a career 26% 3-point shooter.



i also forgot to mention the fact that i think that schlub, Amare, is going to come in and disrupt the good flow that the Knicks have going on right now.

Da Knicks
12-14-2012, 07:11 PM
i also forgot to mention the fact that i think that schlub, Amare, is going to come in and disrupt the good flow that the Knicks have going on right now.

lol hate much?:D

pd1dish
12-14-2012, 07:19 PM
lol hate much?:D

its not hate hahaha i dont get why every time a player/team is criticized, its considered "hate". i dont think some of the players on the team are very good. Amare is known for not playing good defense and his offense hasnt been at the level it needs to be to warrant his contract/hype.

i can do the same thing for my team as well, its called being objective. Boozer is the exact same situation for the Bulls. huge liability on defense and isnt performing up to his contract offensively. our 2-guards in Hamilton and Bellinelli are just average, Nate Robinson is a good spark off the bench but is a complete liability defensively, Heinrich sucks, and Taj Gibson is playing under his capability since hes been payed.

im not "hating", im accepting the reality of things. some Knicks fans (PSD in general, really) are not good at this and just call everyone a hater for disagreeing with their opinion.

NYYCowboys
12-14-2012, 07:20 PM
Just looking at their roster a roster like this the Knicks doesnt win championships, Felton,Kidd, Ray Felton start that is a joke, JR Smith is a horrible 6th man shooter since he cant be controlled and he keeps shooting cant even hit 40%, their big men are Kurt Thomas and Rasheed if Melo or Chandler goes down. You will see...they have no depth at all. Teams get on hot streaks and they think highly of themselves right now but they are nothing to be scared about.

I would take Felton, Kidd, and JR smith by a mile over Joe Johnson, and Gerald Wallace this year. Both of them are playing below league average in PER, and these are guys who start for the Nets :laugh2: Plus take into account both of their terrible contracts, and those 3 Knicks team friendly contracts, and it really isn't close at all.

Enzo
12-14-2012, 07:22 PM
Just looking at their roster a roster like this the Knicks doesnt win championships, Felton,Kidd, Ray Felton start that is a joke, JR Smith is a horrible 6th man shooter since he cant be controlled and he keeps shooting cant even hit 40%, their big men are Kurt Thomas and Rasheed if Melo or Chandler goes down. You will see...they have no depth at all. Teams get on hot streaks and they think highly of themselves right now but they are nothing to be scared about.

I'm honestly trying to figure out if you are either a trolling genius the likes of which the world has never seen or an adult that wears a bib while he eats. I'm going to take an educated guess and assume it's the latter of the two. Really DMF...the Knicks have no depth? :facepalm:

knickfan4life
12-14-2012, 07:58 PM
Yes, I am a DIE HARD, HARDCORE, NYK Fan for the last god knows how many years.

However, I am a REALIST and i dont say ridiculous things about where the knicks will be.

We are a VERY good team these first 20-something games. With that being said, Melo cannot average 30 a night in the playoffs and we cannot win games getting outrebounded by 10+ per game.

We are a GOOD team, but come on guys, its a LONG season, just like the lakers and heat and nets and spurs and OKC have issues they need to work on, so do we.

All in good time, its a VERY long season, we will lose about 20 more games or so and we will make the proper adjustments... Camby and Amare will come back, theyll be worked into the rotation.

This is not a finalized product. The scary thing is, they can get better. We havent legit WON a playoff game since 2000 or 2001. We are a gooood team rt now, but so were a lot of teams like those mavs who were #1 in the league and were knocked out in the first round by the warriors (sorry, no cheap shots, just trying to make a point).

I'm a proud knick fan rt now, anyone can say as they please, but the guys are playing good ball on offense, and defense needs work, we can be much better and rebounding is a MAJOR problem we have now, because we cannot win a title getting outrebounded this badly.

ball4reel
12-14-2012, 07:59 PM
Domefavors is the best dude on this forum haha. The fact that you idiots keep falling for it astonishes me.

I honestly can't see why anyone is arguing with Hawkeye. Everyone just wants to jump out and hear what they wanna hear. Trithfully, the Knicks could look as good as they want right now, which is pretty damn good. Lets see at the end of the season. Mainly the playoffs.

Best post i have seen yet!!!!:clap:

RonE Coleman
12-14-2012, 08:24 PM
yeah they were really good last year those two they won a lot of games.....one plays no defense and clogs the paint the other shoots like everytime and has a horrible per.

Sounds like your talking about Lopez and D Will, LMAO

javsvt
12-14-2012, 08:48 PM
Can we stop paying attention to DMF, why do people fall for his antics. Lets play a game, first one to respond to DMF, or quotes him, loses.:whistle:
BTW, my quote below was done before this post.:Do

ILLUSIONIST^248
12-14-2012, 09:28 PM
:catfight:

Kashmir13579
12-14-2012, 09:38 PM
Can we stop paying attention to DMF, why do people fall for his antics. Lets play a game, first one to respond to DMF, or quotes him, loses.:whistle:
BTW, my quote below was done before this post.:Do

The only time someone should chat with DMF is for a conversational equivalent of prodding him with a stick.

ILLUSIONIST^248
12-15-2012, 08:24 PM
Yes, I am a DIE HARD, HARDCORE, NYK Fan for the last god knows how many years.

However, I am a REALIST and i dont say ridiculous things about where the knicks will be.

We are a VERY good team these first 20-something games. With that being said, Melo cannot average 30 a night in the playoffs and we cannot win games getting outrebounded by 10+ per game.

We are a GOOD team, but come on guys, its a LONG season, just like the lakers and heat and nets and spurs and OKC have issues they need to work on, so do we.

All in good time, its a VERY long season, we will lose about 20 more games or so and we will make the proper adjustments... Camby and Amare will come back, theyll be worked into the rotation.

This is not a finalized product. The scary thing is, they can get better. We havent legit WON a playoff game since 2000 or 2001. We are a gooood team rt now, but so were a lot of teams like those mavs who were #1 in the league and were knocked out in the first round by the warriors (sorry, no cheap shots, just trying to make a point).

I'm a proud knick fan rt now, anyone can say as they please, but the guys are playing good ball on offense, and defense needs work, we can be much better and rebounding is a MAJOR problem we have now, because we cannot win a title getting outrebounded this badly.

Good post.