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Fresno
12-11-2012, 11:57 AM
While Casey is under contract through next season, Colangelo's deal expires after this season and he's well aware that he needs to turn this tide. To that end, the Raptors are dangling seventh-year center and 2006 No. 1 pick Andrea Bargnani as trade bait but don't have any takers thus far.

The Lakers have been reported as a possible destination for Bargnani as part of a possible deal involving forward Pau Gasol, but the big man is up for discussion in any and all trade talks so long as the potential pieces coming Toronto's are good enough that they could help right this ship. Point guard Jose Calderon has made it clear that he would like to be traded, and Colangelo continues to explore the possibilities there as well. A Raptors trade of some significance, more than likely, is on the horizon.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2012/12/10/nba-coaches-on-the-hot-seat/1759593/

gwrighter
12-11-2012, 12:10 PM
There are takers, just none willing to give good enough players to right the damned ship that the Raps find themselves on. Maybe teams would be interested if Calderon was packaged with Bargnani...

NYKnickFanatic
12-11-2012, 12:15 PM
Not surprised.

Cant believe he went #1. 2006 was such a weak draft, with some exceptions. (LMA, Gay, Roy, Novak ;) etc...)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html

Anyone want to redo the top 15, knowing the players now? :)

miller74
12-11-2012, 12:21 PM
Other GMs must have watched him play

BALLER R
12-11-2012, 12:26 PM
at this point I'd be happy with a first round pick

ManRam
12-11-2012, 12:29 PM
I'm sure there are people interested, I'm just sure Toronto is asking way too much.

dalton749
12-11-2012, 12:29 PM
Not surprised.

Cant believe he went #1. 2006 was such a weak draft, with some exceptions. (LMA, Gay, Roy, Novak ;) etc...)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html

Anyone want to redo the top 15, knowing the players now? :)

but theres only 10 decent players:confused:

greg_ory_2005
12-11-2012, 12:31 PM
Bargs needs to GTFO

mamba24
12-11-2012, 12:33 PM
As a Lakers fan this news makes me feel relieved... I was dreading a Possiblie Pau for Bargnani swap. That guy is awful.

BALLER R
12-11-2012, 12:36 PM
I'm sure there are people interested, I'm just sure Toronto is asking way too much.

Really hope it' not that because Andrea right now isn't worth much. But Calderon wants out and he is an expiring, So I'm sure that has more value. Probably gonna have to package them but if we want a lot in return we would have to give up a young player. I'm not about that right now.

DoMeFavors
12-11-2012, 12:38 PM
Barnani for Stephen Jackson

NYKnickFanatic
12-11-2012, 12:39 PM
but theres only 10 decent players:confused:

So do a top 10 ;)

black1605
12-11-2012, 12:41 PM
He's an overhyped, overpaid Byron Mullens.

Hellcrooner
12-11-2012, 12:46 PM
bargnani would shine playing PF at the side of a DEFENSIVE center that is a good rebounder.
They should try to make a Damaged Goods exchange.

bargs for Stou
or Bargs for Boozer.

Chronz
12-11-2012, 12:47 PM
Called this when he signed that extension, BC is the master at outbidding himself.


I'm sure there are people interested, I'm just sure Toronto is asking way too much.

You honestly have a hard time buying that no one wants that contract?

Hes a good player but I would hope the GM's see him as having negative trade value and with a contract that big, its not going anywhere, not with harsher rules ahead.

LanceUpperCut
12-11-2012, 12:50 PM
It's pretty easy to harp on Bargs right now he's playing the worse BBall of his career. I'd love to get rid of him but it seems like a desperation move considering his value is at an all-time low. To me the season is lost already might as well wait till the deadline and hopefully his value increased. This is unless of course BC finds a suitor to give back something decent.

pacman16
12-11-2012, 12:51 PM
that is one ugly first round, barny sucks... get him and his friends out of Tdot.
this teams draft record is embarrassing.

greg_ory_2005
12-11-2012, 12:52 PM
bargnani would shine playing PF at the side of a DEFENSIVE center that is a good rebounder.
They should try to make a Damaged Goods exchange.

bargs for Stou
or Bargs for Boozer.

Hell no.

Chronz
12-11-2012, 12:55 PM
BTW What happened to their D? Casey got alot of credit for their turnaround last year but is unable to get the same success with a healthier roster and a better defender at the 1.

KB-Pau-DH2012
12-11-2012, 12:56 PM
Bargs + conditional 2nd round pick to PHX for Gortat + Beasley.

Hellcrooner
12-11-2012, 12:57 PM
BTW What happened to their D? Casey got alot of credit for their turnaround last year but is unable to get the same success with a healthier roster and a better defender at the 1.

Well it happened that their boasted better deffender at the 1 isnt that much better at it(because no one on the team deffends), or at anything else but padding his own stats.

:D

masTOR_shake1
12-11-2012, 01:02 PM
lol, at least the jays have hope

NYKnickFanatic
12-11-2012, 01:03 PM
Bargs + conditional 2nd round pick to PHX for Gortat + Beasley.

Lol, why would PHX do that?

Jamiecballer
12-11-2012, 01:05 PM
BTW What happened to their D? Casey got alot of credit for their turnaround last year but is unable to get the same success with a healthier roster and a better defender at the 1.

had a starting front court that consisted of a 20 year old and Bargnani. you do the math.

nycericanguy
12-11-2012, 01:08 PM
Bargs hasn't shot the 3 ball well since the 09-10 season.. and thats a huge part of his game.

Bargs & Fields for STAT might make sense IF Amare can't fit in, but I think NY would eat Bargs alive. I used to be for that deal, but now I'd be against it, Bargs has just been so bad.

greg_ory_2005
12-11-2012, 01:13 PM
Bargs + conditional 2nd round pick to PHX for Gortat + Beasley.

Deal. Where do I sign up?

YoungOne
12-11-2012, 01:15 PM
So do a top 10 ;)

1. Roy (assuming no health issues, otherwise out of the top 10)
2. Rondo
3. Aldridge
4. Gay
5. Millsap
6. Lowry
7. Bargnani
8. Reddick
9. Foye
10. R. Brewer/S. Brown
11. Powe ( homer pick, he won us one finals game :D )

bucketss
12-11-2012, 01:15 PM
Well it happened that their boasted better deffender at the 1 isnt that much better at it(because no one on the team deffends), or at anything else but padding his own stats.

:D

look at this hater

NYKnickFanatic
12-11-2012, 01:20 PM
1. Roy (assuming no health issues, otherwise out of the top 10)
2. Rondo
3. Aldridge
4. Gay
5. Millsap
6. Lowry
7. Bargnani
8. Reddick
9. Foye
10. R. Brewer/S. Brown
11. Powe ( homer pick, he won us one finals game :D )

I forgot Rondo was even in that draft, he went so high.

goose14741
12-11-2012, 01:20 PM
No he doesn't fit for the lakers because of his defense but he is perfect fit for dantoni. A stretch 4 who speaks the man's language. A trade of bargs, Ross and calderon for pau and Blake. I think those contracts match.
Lakers would look like,
Nash-Calderon
Kobe-meeks-Ross
Mwp-ebanks
Bargs-jamison
Dwight-Hill

That team is much better, raptors also improve.
Lowry-Lucas-Blake
Derozan-Pietrus
Kleiza-Fields
Pau-Amir-Davis
Jonas-Aaron Gray

nycericanguy
12-11-2012, 01:23 PM
Deal. Where do I sign up?

haha, no way PHO trades a top 10-15 center for Bargs. they can just cut beasely if they want to get rid of him that bad.

I think PHO can get a pretty nice haul for Gortat.

sep11ie
12-11-2012, 01:23 PM
I'd trade Patrick Patterson for him. Bargs may look ok next to Asik and it's not like PatPat rebounds for us anyways.

JiffyMix88
12-11-2012, 01:23 PM
He's an overhyped, overpaid Byron Mullens.

He was hyped?

Stinkyoutsider
12-11-2012, 01:26 PM
If he wasn't getting paid so much, I think he could get moved. I wonder if he's making as much as Boozer because that would be an interesting swap?

I know Andrea can shoot, but I would like to see if he can get 7 or more rebounds a game and post up on the block? If so, I think the Bulls could use him for Boozer? Carlos is a solid rebounder but his play in the playoffs last year was terrible.

I can't imagine Toronto wanting Boozer back at all though?

kenzo400
12-11-2012, 01:28 PM
I hope they don't trade him because i just know BC will make some stupid deal. Like the one proposed for Gasol. That would be terrible and just get us the 10th place in east or less. What would be the point? I think it's obvious that BC is just trying to save his own ***. The best case scenario for this franchise would be if we end up in the same place as we are now and get the first or second pick and then NOT sign BC. Finally things might turn around for this team next year.

thedfactor
12-11-2012, 01:28 PM
No he doesn't fit for the lakers because of his defense but he is perfect fit for dantoni. A stretch 4 who speaks the man's language. A trade of bargs, Ross and calderon for pau and Blake. I think those contracts match.
Lakers would look like,
Nash-Calderon
Kobe-meeks-Ross
Mwp-ebanks
Bargs-jamison
Dwight-Hill

That team is much better, raptors also improve.
Lowry-Lucas-Blake
Derozan-Pietrus
Kleiza-Fields
Pau-Amir-Davis
Jonas-Aaron GrayHa they wouldn't just throw in Ross like that. Maybe just Bargs and JC would work tho.

Gators123
12-11-2012, 01:29 PM
Hes a 7'0 starting PF that makes $10+ million a season and averages 4.3 rebounds per game.

YoungOne
12-11-2012, 01:29 PM
No he doesn't fit for the lakers because of his defense but he is perfect fit for dantoni. A stretch 4 who speaks the man's language. A trade of bargs, Ross and calderon for pau and Blake. I think those contracts match.
Lakers would look like,
Nash-Calderon
Kobe-meeks-Ross
Mwp-ebanks
Bargs-jamison
Dwight-Hill

That team is much better, raptors also improve.
Lowry-Lucas-Blake
Derozan-Pietrus
Kleiza-Fields
Pau-Amir-Davis
Jonas-Aaron Gray

why should the raptors give up their top 10 pick in that trade?

teddygreen17
12-11-2012, 01:31 PM
Because he is a prototypical losing player, he does nothing well except shoot. He is a bench player. I'm telling you right now, if they get Bargs out of Toronto they will instantly become better.

Heediot
12-11-2012, 01:34 PM
Get a pick and some players that will expire by summer 2014 .

onlythisfar41
12-11-2012, 01:39 PM
Hes a 7'0 starting PF that makes $10+ million a season and averages 4.3 rebounds per game.

Sounds like a winner to me :shrug:

Chronz
12-11-2012, 01:41 PM
Well it happened that their boasted better deffender at the 1 isnt that much better at it(because no one on the team deffends), or at anything else but padding his own stats.

:D

Anyone have a less biased point of view? You could be right but I doubt it

KB-Pau-DH2012
12-11-2012, 01:41 PM
Lol, why would PHX do that?

Because neither Gortat nor Beasley are happy there.

If you're not happy, you won't play hard and play up to your capabilities. It's as simple as that.

gwrighter
12-11-2012, 01:41 PM
Because he is a prototypical losing player, he does nothing well except shoot. He is a bench player. I'm telling you right now, if they get Bargs out of Toronto they will instantly become better.

He's basically a 7foot version of J.R. Smith. Bargnani is not being utilized properly on the raps. Wherever he ends up he needs to come off the bench against second units in a scoring role.

black1605
12-11-2012, 01:43 PM
He was hyped?

He was the number one pick in the draft...

NYKnickFanatic
12-11-2012, 01:45 PM
Because neither Gortat nor Beasley are happy there.

If you're not happy, you won't play hard and play up to your capabilities. It's as simple as that.

They can get a better deal than that though.

gwrighter
12-11-2012, 01:45 PM
Anyone have a less biased point of view? You could be right but I doubt it

Valanciunas struggles to guard c's 1 on 1 because of a lack of size. Pair him up with a terrible help defender in Bargnani and you have the recipe for a bad defensive front court and last line of defence. Valanciunas and Bargs have no chemistry.

dee279
12-11-2012, 01:46 PM
Not surprised.

Cant believe he went #1. 2006 was such a weak draft, with some exceptions. (LMA, Gay, Roy, Novak ;) etc...)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html

Anyone want to redo the top 15, knowing the players now? :)

Eww that draft was horrible. Still horrible scouting by many teams.

North Yorker
12-11-2012, 02:09 PM
The draft was horrible because it was the 1st year where Stern enforced the no HS players rule. If it had not been enforced then guys like Durant, Oden, etc probably would have entered the draft.

Lucky.
12-11-2012, 02:16 PM
Not surprised.

Cant believe he went #1. 2006 was such a weak draft, with some exceptions. (LMA, Gay, Roy, Novak ;) etc...)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html

Anyone want to redo the top 15, knowing the players now? :)



LaMarcus Aldridge
Rajon Rondo
Paul Millsap
Kyle Lowry
Rudy Gay
Andrea Bargnani
Brandon Roy
Thabo Sefolosha
J.J Reddick
Ronnie Brewer
Shannon Brown
Steve Novak
Daniel Gibson
Randy Foye
Tyrus Thomas
Jordan Farmar
Leon Powe
Sheldon Williams
Shawn Williams
Ryan Hollins


Awful.

Lucky.
12-11-2012, 02:19 PM
1. Roy (assuming no health issues, otherwise out of the top 10)
2. Rondo
3. Aldridge
4. Gay
5. Millsap
6. Lowry
7. Bargnani
8. Reddick
9. Foye
10. R. Brewer/S. Brown
11. Powe ( homer pick, he won us one finals game :D )

If I knew Roy was gonna be hurt, I would still pick him for a couple good years over some of the other players.

That's how bad this draft class was.

Sly Guy
12-11-2012, 02:21 PM
Other GMs must have watched him play

this. And what bothers raptor fans is that he's much better than he's been this season. So his trade value is at an all-time low, and whatever package we get for him we're likely going to be raped in.

Ebbs
12-11-2012, 02:25 PM
Who the **** would want him.

He's playing the like biggest wiener.

It's not even that he's bad at defense, but the guy doesnt even try

The goods
12-11-2012, 02:28 PM
The Italian Dirk huh? Hahaha

DumDum
12-11-2012, 02:29 PM
Gone but never forgotten. RIP Gram. You shall rise again!

Gram got banned ?

Sly Guy
12-11-2012, 02:30 PM
BTW What happened to their D? Casey got alot of credit for their turnaround last year but is unable to get the same success with a healthier roster and a better defender at the 1.

a couple schools of thought...
#1, the addition of jonas, is a rookie center playing next to an already weak bargs. Jonas is the real deal, but he's not strong enough to bang with the bigs of every team every night yet, so interiro defense is currently a problem.
#2, accountability. Casey preaches it, especially on the defensive end. He's applied the accountability to everyone except bargnani, which leads many to believe the players are starting to tune him out. In many of our losses, questions on the rotation have been raised, and with bargnani sitting 3-20 for the game, he's still seeing the floor during the crunch time of games if only as a decoy or floor spacer. Makes it hard to see guys like Ed Davis, Jonas, and Amir play well only to see limited minutes due to his decisions.

heyman321
12-11-2012, 02:31 PM
The Italian Dirk huh? Hahaha

Yeah, Dirk light-light-light, with no sodium, only 1% fat and gluten free.

BHF
12-11-2012, 02:39 PM
He's basically a 7foot version of J.R. Smith. Bargnani is not being utilized properly on the raps. Wherever he ends up he needs to come off the bench against second units in a scoring role.

:facepalm: yeah that's the reason he cant grab 5 reb and is lost on D

JasonJohnHorn
12-11-2012, 02:43 PM
Coangelo is awful. DeRozen and Bargnanin at ten million per? this guy should have been fired, not given an extension!

sep11ie
12-11-2012, 02:45 PM
Gone but never forgotten. RIP Gram. You shall rise again!

Gram got banned ?

Yes:(

GiantsSwaGG
12-11-2012, 02:54 PM
**** Gram

GiantsSwaGG
12-11-2012, 02:54 PM
Amare for Brags

mvb815
12-11-2012, 03:03 PM
i'm still mad at them for not signing LMA that draft when bosh asked them to. when your franchise player wants you to do something, but you trust your garbage scouts who couldn't bring a good sandwich to toronto instead, somebody needs to get fired

gwrighter
12-11-2012, 03:23 PM
:facepalm: yeah that's the reason he cant grab 5 reb and is lost on D

I'm in no way defending his play. Proper utilization would be putting his *** on the bench and letting him focus on the only thing he really wants to focus on in limited minutes.

BALLER R
12-11-2012, 03:32 PM
Jonas and Ed Davis are much better on the court than Andrea. I just want to get him out of here even if it isn't the best deal at least make sure its an expiring contact next year. So we have financial flexibility.

Freakazoid
12-11-2012, 03:35 PM
BTW What happened to their D? Casey got alot of credit for their turnaround last year but is unable to get the same success with a healthier roster and a better defender at the 1.

He lost the players. I think some resent the fact that Casey gives preferential treatment to Andrea and Calderon.

As well, the players don't have a defined role this year so they're often lost.

And a rookie C doesn't help either when paired up with one of the league's worst. As well, with Lowry playing injured and Calderon playing significant minutes, we end up having a porous perimeter defence with no help to protect the rim.

sep11ie
12-11-2012, 03:42 PM
**** Gram

If you got banned nobody here would remember your name.

BHF
12-11-2012, 03:44 PM
I'm in no way defending his play. Proper utilization would be putting his *** on the bench and letting him focus on the only thing he really wants to focus on in limited minutes.

i don't know why but this made me LOL

RonE Coleman
12-11-2012, 03:45 PM
Bargs + conditional 2nd round pick to PHX for Gortat + Beasley.

Ummmmm... :confused:

RonE Coleman
12-11-2012, 03:45 PM
Amare for Brags

GTFO and your a Knick fan?

BHF
12-11-2012, 03:49 PM
GTFO and your a Knick fan?

don't worry as much as we hate Bargs we wouldn't take that scrub Amare for him we are desperate but not stupid

RonE Coleman
12-11-2012, 04:00 PM
don't worry as much as we hate Bargs we wouldn't take that scrub Amare for him we are desperate but not stupid

Lol "that scrub" put up better numbers in his worst season than bargnani ever has :facepalm:

BHF
12-11-2012, 04:03 PM
Lol "that scrub" put up better numbers in his worst season than bargnani ever has :facepalm:

he is still a scrub and no one in his right mind would take his contract :facepalm:

FriedTofuz
12-11-2012, 04:36 PM
Trade Bargnani and calderon for gasol.

FriedTofuz
12-11-2012, 04:44 PM
then shift gasol to center, and start ed davis.

FriedTofuz
12-11-2012, 04:47 PM
I know for afact bargnani would flourish with howard, he needs a change in scenery. same with gasol. Gasol would put up 18/11 in toronto. Calderon's expiring would give the lakers some cap flex too and solid depht behind steve nash

FriedTofuz
12-11-2012, 04:47 PM
kobe d'antoni and bargs will all be speaking italian

FriedTofuz
12-11-2012, 04:53 PM
yo someone post something new, Im geting bored.

king4day
12-11-2012, 06:02 PM
Bargs + conditional 2nd round pick to PHX for Gortat + Beasley.

No thanks. We would see him as a bad contract. So adding Gortat wouldn't make sense when we might be able to get some semblance of value for him. It'd have to be a bad contract for a bad contract for the Suns to get him (I PRAY that this would be there thinking at least).

Plus, we have Frye returning next season (most likely) and Morris. Both are big man 3pt shooters. Not saying they're better, but they play the same role.

smith&wesson
12-11-2012, 06:11 PM
BTW What happened to their D? Casey got alot of credit for their turnaround last year but is unable to get the same success with a healthier roster and a better defender at the 1.

:laugh: we were better last season when we had anthony carter, r.butler, and maglore

we replaced those guys with lowry, ross, jonas, pietruss and kept our core players yet were worse then we were last season lol go figure. . .

smith&wesson
12-11-2012, 06:12 PM
bargs is that player that sux balls in toronto for 7 seasons gets traded and becomes an allstar on his new team.

smith&wesson
12-11-2012, 06:17 PM
Well it happened that their boasted better deffender at the 1 isnt that much better at it(because no one on the team deffends), or at anything else but padding his own stats.

:D

the hell you talking about :confused: lowry is way way way waaaayyy better at man on man D (even playing injured) then calderon could ever be. its not even a close bro.

mvb815
12-11-2012, 06:17 PM
bargs is that player that sux balls in toronto for 7 seasons gets traded and becomes an allstar on his new team.

lol yeah, and it turns out he has a 50 inch vertical and just refuses to dunk for us

Alayla
12-11-2012, 08:34 PM
Not surprised.

Cant believe he went #1. 2006 was such a weak draft, with some exceptions. (LMA, Gay, Roy, Novak ;) etc...)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2006.html

Anyone want to redo the top 15, knowing the players now? :)

guessing and hoping that was a joke

GiantsSwaGG
12-11-2012, 08:36 PM
If you got banned nobody here would remember your name.

If you were banned, nobody here would remember your name...

NYY09
12-11-2012, 08:56 PM
They should call the Dodgers.

ACanadian
12-11-2012, 09:29 PM
If you got banned nobody here would remember your name.

I would

JiffyMix88
12-12-2012, 09:23 AM
He was the number one pick in the draft...

lol ok? Stephen Curry had more 'hype' then him coming out the draft.....Andrea was never hyped for any game or any marque match up that I can remember.

sixer04fan
12-12-2012, 09:26 AM
I think if someone wanted to trade for a PF that averages 4 rebounds a game, then they'd just trade for a SG... And you wouldn't even need a good one at that.

GiantsSwaGG
12-12-2012, 09:32 AM
I wouldn't trade brags for baby ****

kidfury
12-12-2012, 09:49 AM
a couple schools of thought...
#1, the addition of jonas, is a rookie center playing next to an already weak bargs. Jonas is the real deal, but he's not strong enough to bang with the bigs of every team every night yet, so interiro defense is currently a problem.
#2, accountability. Casey preaches it, especially on the defensive end. He's applied the accountability to everyone except bargnani, which leads many to believe the players are starting to tune him out. In many of our losses, questions on the rotation have been raised, and with bargnani sitting 3-20 for the game, he's still seeing the floor during the crunch time of games if only as a decoy or floor spacer. Makes it hard to see guys like Ed Davis, Jonas, and Amir play well only to see limited minutes due to his decisions.

:nod: ACCOUNTABILITY, wtf?!? Amir, busts his *** every game. Davis, has had questions about his endurance and effort in the past but this season looks MUCH improved. primo pasta has been absolutely brutal. His trade value must be at an all time low but at the VERY least bench him and maybe he'll have a string of decent games to up his value... maybe.