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asandhu23
12-08-2012, 11:12 PM
He's having an amazing year. He's pretty much been the only really consistent player for the W's.


NBA.com stats aren't updated but he is averaging 18 points 10.9 reb 3 assists 1 spg and 50 percent fg.

Tonight he had 24 points and 17 rebounds

do you think he will be an All Star again this year?

asandhu23
12-08-2012, 11:14 PM
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/david_lee/

Baller1
12-08-2012, 11:14 PM
I would like to see him make it. He's one of my favorite players... Never gets much credit, but he always puts up great numbers. Now he's finally on a team that's winning, which is what he always lacked.

b@llhog24
12-08-2012, 11:20 PM
No.

iFYouSeekAmy
12-09-2012, 12:00 AM
No because David Lee is a stat padder and plays in an inflated system. Oh and he never helps his team win games and the Warriors suck. jk. Yes he should definitely be considered. He's been putting up ridiculous numbers- 11 straight double doubles I believe?

jmoney85
12-09-2012, 12:03 AM
Yes he should

droalex
12-09-2012, 12:06 AM
Traded Mike Conley and Pierce for Lee and tony parker.

Don't regret it

lol, please
12-09-2012, 12:11 AM
Lee will be an all star this season. The White Chris Webber!

Arch Stanton
12-09-2012, 12:16 AM
He's playing well but Love, Griffin, and Splitter are all playing better.

bucketss
12-09-2012, 12:18 AM
again? was he one before :3?

SugeKnight
12-09-2012, 12:21 AM
He's playing well but Love, Griffin, and Splitter are all playing better.
LOOOOOLLL SPLITTER? REALLY? YOU THINK TIAGO SPLITTER IS AN ALLSTAR? :wow:
Stop watching basketball

SugeKnight
12-09-2012, 12:22 AM
again? was he one before :3?

Yea he made it once as a Knick

b-ballistic
12-09-2012, 12:33 AM
David Lee is my hero!!!!!!! :clap:

Victimize
12-09-2012, 12:47 AM
Actually watch the Warriors and you will see Lee is very crafty offensively, has a good mid range game, good rebounder.

Does he have flaws? Of course, hes below average defensively. He has decent speed and basketball IQ to guard strech 4's on the perimeter but isnt great inside. Also limited ability to protect the rim.

If Lee maintains these numbers he will probably get selected.

asandhu23
12-09-2012, 01:46 AM
again? was he one before :3?

yes.

asandhu23
12-09-2012, 01:48 AM
He's playing well but Love, Griffin, and Splitter are all playing better.

:speechless:

Ebbs
12-09-2012, 01:48 AM
No Kevin Love senior according to PSD is a stat padder who plays 0 defense

Guppyfighter
12-09-2012, 01:53 AM
Lee has been much improved defensively this year. Lets see if that maintains over a larger sample size.

Baller1
12-09-2012, 02:07 AM
Damn, I didn't know Lee made the allstar team in NY.

YouCan'tBeatLA
12-09-2012, 02:10 AM
He's playing well but Love, Griffin, and Splitter are all playing better.

HAHAHAHA.

... and Lee has been arguably better than Griffin.

Arch Stanton
12-09-2012, 02:20 AM
LOOOOOLLL SPLITTER? REALLY? YOU THINK TIAGO SPLITTER IS AN ALLSTAR? :wow:
Stop watching basketball

Did you just push the panic button? Take the twinkies out of your mouth. I never said such dribble. I said those players are playing better Oakland. I get that Splitter is playing less minutes in more of a reserve role but that doesn't diminish his impact.

sf-fanatic
12-09-2012, 02:21 AM
HAHAHAHA.

... and Lee has been arguably better than Griffin.

but griffin dunks the ball better

sf-fanatic
12-09-2012, 02:23 AM
Did you just push the panic button? Take the twinkies out of your mouth. I never said such dribble. I said those players are playing better Oakland. I get that Splitter is playing less minutes in more of a reserve role but that doesn't diminish his impact.

huh? lee impacts the game more than splitter...

since when did a backup center have more impact than a starting pf?

Guppyfighter
12-09-2012, 02:24 AM
Did you just push the panic button? Take the twinkies out of your mouth. I never said such dribble. I said those players are playing better Oakland. I get that Splitter is playing less minutes in more of a reserve role but that doesn't diminish his impact.

More minutes, means you impact the outcome more. Lee is averaging 37 minutes a game, work horses are inherently more valuable at the start.

If two players are giving similar production, the one with more minutes is doing better.

Arch Stanton
12-09-2012, 02:25 AM
Love - PER - 22.43
Splitter- PER - 21.09
Griffin - PER - 20.23
Lee - PER - 18.94

Guppyfighter
12-09-2012, 02:26 AM
Love - PER - 22.43
Splitter- PER - 21.09
Griffin - PER - 20.23
Lee - PER - 18.94

Love is better, but I am not sure if he has logged enough games, maybe.

NoahH
12-09-2012, 02:29 AM
I predict GS only gets one all star and its Curry

SPLITTER: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1LRRjRYCdo "Nobody sets better picks in the NBA than Thiago Splitter"

Arch Stanton
12-09-2012, 02:30 AM
Love is better, but I am not sure if he has logged enough games, maybe.

True but Love has a reputation. Did I just use true and love in a sentence? I feel like I've just started to write a really awesome (bad) screenplay.

b@llhog24
12-09-2012, 02:31 AM
Damn, I didn't know Lee made the allstar team in NY.

Yea, probably cause he was a replacement.


HAHAHAHA.

... and Lee has been arguably better than Griffin.

I don't see it now, and it definitely won't be one come All-star weekend.


Did you just push the panic button? Take the twinkies out of your mouth. I never said such dribble. I said those players are playing better Oakland. I get that Splitter is playing less minutes in more of a reserve role but that doesn't diminish his impact.

Yr. Tiago is str8 fiya manye.

Arch Stanton
12-09-2012, 02:31 AM
More minutes, means you impact the outcome more. Lee is averaging 37 minutes a game, work horses are inherently more valuable at the start.

If two players are giving similar production, the one with more minutes is doing better.

Metrics?

asandhu23
12-09-2012, 02:32 AM
Love - PER - 22.43
Splitter- PER - 21.09
Griffin - PER - 20.23
Lee - PER - 18.94

On nba.com, its says 11.85

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tiago_splitter/

and for for Lee its 23.05

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/david_lee/

b@llhog24
12-09-2012, 02:33 AM
On nba.com, its says 11.85

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tiago_splitter/

and for for Lee its 23.05

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/david_lee/

They're not the same thing.

NoahH
12-09-2012, 02:33 AM
On nba.com, its says 11.85

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tiago_splitter/

and for for Lee its 23.05

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/david_lee/

I dont think ANYONE can ACTUALLY say Splitter is playing better ball than David Lee.

sf-fanatic
12-09-2012, 02:37 AM
Love - PER - 22.43
Splitter- PER - 21.09
Griffin - PER - 20.23
Lee - PER - 18.94

Players tend to have a higher PER in limited minutes. PER also judges efficiency which is different than impact. So you want the top 3 in PER from each position to make the all star team?

sf-fanatic
12-09-2012, 02:38 AM
Love - PER - 22.43
Splitter- PER - 21.09
Griffin - PER - 20.23
Lee - PER - 18.94

Do you think Gregg Smith is a top 10 player in the nba?

b@llhog24
12-09-2012, 02:42 AM
Players tend to have a higher PER in limited minutes. PER also judges efficiency which is different than impact. So you want the top 3 in PER from each position to make the all star team?

PER and efficiency isn't synonymous. And which players you have in mind to say that their PER is inflated by their lack of minutes? Shouldn't more mins = more counting stats = a higher PER?

b@llhog24
12-09-2012, 02:44 AM
Do you think Gregg Smith is a top 10 player in the nba?

No, but he produces like one in the minutes he's given.

Arch Stanton
12-09-2012, 02:47 AM
Do you think Gregg Smith is a top 10 player in the nba?

No... Top ten? Thought we were comparing the PF position for the All Star game. Never said anyone was better. Just said that these players had better numbers. Also didn't include Duncan who leads the pack. Also note: Splitter has had a better PER than Lee last season also. So wouldn't you think that's a bit telling?

NoahH
12-09-2012, 02:57 AM
Why aren't Greg Smith and Splitter playing 38mpg

Monta is beast
12-09-2012, 03:02 AM
Metrics?

Common sense

sf-fanatic
12-09-2012, 03:02 AM
I can probably name at least 10 players whos PER decreased due to more minutes.

Arch Stanton
12-09-2012, 03:06 AM
I can probably name at least 10 players whos PER decreased due to more minutes.

I get that... And if its an issue take Splitter out and add Duncan. Now what?

sf-fanatic
12-09-2012, 03:07 AM
I get that... And if its an issue take Splitter out and add Duncan. Now what?

Then you are just speaking common sense?

No one argued Duncan was a better player than Lee?

Hawkeye15
12-09-2012, 03:08 AM
no, he will get buried by the norms unfortunately.

b@llhog24
12-09-2012, 03:11 AM
Regardless: The Thread is asking if David Lee is an all-star. Tell me which of these players has he proven to be better than:

Love
Griffin
Zbo
Duncan
Al Jeff/Paul Milsap
LMA
Dirk (I don't kno when he's scheduled to comeback however)
Ryan Anderson
Duncan
Gasol.

His chances are EXTREMELY low.

sf-fanatic
12-09-2012, 03:15 AM
Regardless: The Thread is asking if David Lee is an all-star. Tell me which of these players has he proven to be better than:

Love
Griffin
Zbo
Duncan
Al Jeff/Paul Milsap
LMA
Dirk (I don't kno when he's scheduled to comeback however)
Ryan Anderson
Duncan
Gasol.

His chances are EXTREMELY low.

I would say he will probably get in over Ryan Anderson and Dirk (if he misses over half the year) assuming he doesnt win the fan voting. He's been better than Millsap too but the rest is questionable. There will be injuries and a few players that wont play too so its possible but unlikely.

Arch Stanton
12-09-2012, 03:19 AM
Then you are just speaking common sense?

No one argued Duncan was a better player than Lee?

I thought this thread was about Lee and if he was an all star? I have nothing against Lee. I'm just posting info about players that are performing better (strictly PER) than Lee thus far. I didn't post Duncan because i thought it wasn't important since other players were performing at a greater level. Honestly, I would love to see all new faces representing both East and West. If you feel Lee should represent please explain why.

sf-fanatic
12-09-2012, 03:21 AM
I thought this thread was about Lee and if he was an all star? I have nothing against Lee. I'm just posting info about players that are performing better (strictly PER) than Lee thus far. I didn't post Duncan because i thought it wasn't important since other players were performing at a greater level. Honestly, I would love to see all new faces representing both East and West. If you feel Lee should represent please explain why.

I didnt think Lee should represent. I think he has a chance too but the odds are against him. The west is deep in 4/5s.

I was just pointing out the flawed logic in using PER to determine the better player.

Arch Stanton
12-09-2012, 03:29 AM
I didnt think Lee should represent. I think he has a chance too but the odds are against him. The west is deep in 4/5s.

I was just pointing out the flawed logic in using PER to determine the better player.

What is it?

c.c.
12-09-2012, 03:35 AM
Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, Serge Ibaka, Paul Millsap, Kenneth Faried, Lamarcus Aldridge, Zach Randolph. He got some competition

SugeKnight
12-09-2012, 04:10 AM
I thought this thread was about Lee and if he was an all star? I have nothing against Lee. I'm just posting info about players that are performing better (strictly PER) than Lee thus far. I didn't post Duncan because i thought it wasn't important since other players were performing at a greater level. Honestly, I would love to see all new faces representing both East and West. If you feel Lee should represent please explain why.

because PER is a great way to determine how a player is performing :rolleyes:

Arch Stanton
12-09-2012, 04:13 AM
because PER is a great way to determine how a player is performing :rolleyes:

So you're saying you don't believe in PER? Either way sell me on Lee.

lol, please
12-09-2012, 04:26 AM
huh? lee impacts the game more than splitter...

since when did a backup center have more impact than a starting pf?


More minutes, means you impact the outcome more. Lee is averaging 37 minutes a game, work horses are inherently more valuable at the start.

If two players are giving similar production, the one with more minutes is doing better.


On nba.com, its says 11.85

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tiago_splitter/

and for for Lee its 23.05

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/david_lee/


I dont think ANYONE can ACTUALLY say Splitter is playing better ball than David Lee.
:clap::clap:

GiantsSwaGG
12-09-2012, 04:32 AM
:facepalm:

JasonJohnHorn
12-09-2012, 12:47 PM
David Lee has been playing at an All-Star level since he was in NY.


But this is how the league goes. You play for a small market, nobody cares. You play for NY, you make the all-star team. One need look no further than Lee as an example. He's played better with the GSW than he did in NY, yet in NY he makes an All-Star team and in GS nobody notices him.

If Melo was on GS instead of NY people wouldnt be going off about him.


Same thing with Chandler. He makes the Mavs and NBA championship team with his defence and Diwght wins DPOY, Chandler shows up in NY and they remain a first-round-exit team and he wins DPOY? Hmm...


Lee is an all-star, even if he isn't playing in LA or NY.

Sly Guy
12-09-2012, 01:29 PM
but griffin dunks the ball better

lol, sadly this is what will define it too. Griffin gets the fan vote, Love gets the coaches vote, Lee gets left out. Sad but true. Casual fans don't know squat.

tredigs
12-09-2012, 01:45 PM
I'd actually argue that Lee has been our 3rd best player this year, will be our 4th or 5th best by seasons end, and is being outplayed by his backup Carl Landry. Landry's the 6th man of the year along with Jamal Crawford imo.

I love Lee, but the guy is so atrocious defensively that he basically gives up all the offensive production he generates. Which is a lot.

No he should not be an all star and for a dubs fan to say he's been our best player seriously confuses me. Steph Curry is not quite firing on all cylinders yet, but he's the driving force of the teams run along with the bench production lead by Carl Landry. Warriors are strong though, so glad they aren't dipping below .500 and have no reason not to let Bogut get all the extended rest he needs.

THE MTL
12-09-2012, 01:46 PM
Now that his team is finally winning he definitely should make the allstar team. He deserves it over dwight howard

ManRam
12-09-2012, 01:52 PM
He's having a good year, but not All-Star worthy.

Forwards (and centers) more deserving: Durant, Duncan, Anderson, Jefferson, Howard, Randolph, Marc Gasol, Griffin, LMA, Love (?)....maybe some others. There's just too much competition.

Hustla23
12-09-2012, 01:57 PM
Lee was a tough, gritty defender before D'antoni helped turn him into an offensive machine.

He just never played defense after that.

lol, please
12-09-2012, 02:51 PM
David Lee has been playing at an All-Star level since he was in NY.


But this is how the league goes. You play for a small market, nobody cares. You play for NY, you make the all-star team. One need look no further than Lee as an example. He's played better with the GSW than he did in NY, yet in NY he makes an All-Star team and in GS nobody notices him.

If Melo was on GS instead of NY people wouldnt be going off about him.


Same thing with Chandler. He makes the Mavs and NBA championship team with his defence and Diwght wins DPOY, Chandler shows up in NY and they remain a first-round-exit team and he wins DPOY? Hmm...


Lee is an all-star, even if he isn't playing in LA or NY.
Sad but true.

nycericanguy
12-09-2012, 03:07 PM
What is it?

I'm with you. PER is a great stat when used by itself!

Now lets put Jason Kidd & Jimmer Fredette with their 20 PER at PG in the ASG :D

nycericanguy
12-09-2012, 03:09 PM
David Lee has been playing at an All-Star level since he was in NY.


But this is how the league goes. You play for a small market, nobody cares. You play for NY, you make the all-star team. One need look no further than Lee as an example. He's played better with the GSW than he did in NY, yet in NY he makes an All-Star team and in GS nobody notices him.

If Melo was on GS instead of NY people wouldnt be going off about him.


Same thing with Chandler. He makes the Mavs and NBA championship team with his defence and Diwght wins DPOY, Chandler shows up in NY and they remain a first-round-exit team and he wins DPOY? Hmm...


Lee is an all-star, even if he isn't playing in LA or NY.

Ummm... no.

Lee made the ASG ONCE in NY as an injury replacement in a year where he averaged 20/12 & 4, he was never really considered an AS in NY, far from it.

More like when you actually contribute to a WINNING team you get recognition, as it should be.

b@llhog24
12-09-2012, 03:16 PM
I'm with you. PER is a great stat when used by itself!

Now lets put Jason Kidd & Jimmer Fredette with their 20 PER at PG in the ASG :D

He's pretty "meh" as far as other metrics go in comparison to other top flight PFs. I honestly love Lee's game and I think he's mad underrated but he shouldn't make the all-star team this year.

knicksfan42
12-09-2012, 03:20 PM
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. My favorite non-Knick (whose Knick number is in my sig) definitely deserves to be an All-Star this year. I was telling Warriors fans in the offseason I expected them to play really well this season. Good young starters, super deep bench, man if only Bogut was healthy with you guys. Anyways back to Lee, he definitely deserves to be an All-Star this year both because of his play and because of the way his play has contributed to the Warriors success this year. I wish we still had him instead of Stat. Hope the Warriors and Lee continue doing well this season except during their meetings with the Knicks.

sep11ie
12-09-2012, 03:20 PM
David Lee

Blitzace137
12-09-2012, 03:21 PM
he should be a all star

lol, please
12-09-2012, 04:11 PM
he should be a all star

Agreed.

TrueFan420
12-09-2012, 04:56 PM
So you're saying you don't believe in PER? Either way sell me on Lee.

Let me put it like this splitter might have a higher per but if the contracts matched the spurs would give up splitter for lee in a heartbeat

ohreally
12-09-2012, 05:07 PM
He's pretty "meh" as far as other metrics go in comparison to other top flight PFs. I honestly love Lee's game and I think he's mad underrated but he shouldn't make the all-star team this year.

Just what are those metrics and who are the other PF? I can see a case for Zach and maybe Faried, though Denver is underperforming. I'd love to see Zach, Lee, and Jamal Crawford on the all-star team. Dumped Knicks redux.

Guppyfighter
12-09-2012, 06:00 PM
The Bay is not a small market so I am not feeling that argument. They are the sixth largest market in the league and the eleventh biggest in the world.

b@llhog24
12-09-2012, 08:36 PM
Just what are those metrics and who are the other PF? I can see a case for Zach and maybe Faried, though Denver is underperforming. I'd love to see Zach, Lee, and Jamal Crawford on the all-star team. Dumped Knicks redux.

Take a look for yourself.


Rk Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 Ryan Anderson 2012-13 24 19 13 32.8 6.9 14.5 .478 3.4 7.6 .444 1.2 1.3 .880 2.4 5.1 7.5 1.3 0.3 0.3 1.0 2.6 18.4
2 Tim Duncan 2012-13 36 20 20 30.3 7.4 13.9 .531 0.1 0.2 .667 3.3 4.3 .776 1.8 8.0 9.8 2.6 0.8 2.4 1.6 1.8 18.1
3 Blake Griffin 2012-13 23 19 19 32.7 7.4 14.1 .522 0.0 0.3 .000 3.2 5.2 .606 1.7 7.3 9.1 3.3 1.4 0.6 2.5 3.1 17.9
4 Carl Landry 2012-13 29 20 0 26.1 4.7 8.4 .563 0.0 0.1 .000 3.8 4.9 .776 3.1 3.9 7.0 1.1 0.4 0.5 1.9 3.0 13.2
5 David Lee 2012-13 29 20 20 37.6 7.6 15.1 .505 0.0 0.1 .000 3.3 4.3 .776 2.9 8.4 11.3 3.5 1.0 0.3 2.7 3.3 18.5
6 Kevin Love 2012-13 24 9 9 34.4 6.4 16.9 .382 1.2 5.7 .216 7.1 10.6 .674 3.9 10.3 14.2 2.1 1.0 0.4 2.3 2.0 21.2


Rk Player Season Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 LaMarcus Aldridge 2012-13 27 19 19 38.2 8.2 18.1 .451 0.0 0.3 .000 4.2 5.3 .782 2.1 6.0 8.1 2.5 0.9 1.3 2.1 3.3 20.5
2 Kenneth Faried 2012-13 23 20 20 29.9 5.0 9.3 .538 0.0 0.0 2.4 4.1 .580 4.5 5.8 10.2 0.6 1.0 1.0 1.5 3.1 12.4
3 Zach Randolph 2012-13 31 18 18 36.7 6.9 13.9 .498 0.0 0.2 .000 3.7 4.9 .742 4.9 8.1 12.9 1.3 0.7 0.7 2.3 2.4 17.6

And the advanced lines if you're into that kind of stuff.


Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Ryan Anderson 2012-13 24 19 623 21.5 .610 .594 8.8 18.7 13.7 7.9 0.5 0.8 6.2 23.3 122 112 2.1 0.1 2.2 .167
2 Tim Duncan 2012-13 36 20 605 26.4 .576 .534 7.3 28.2 18.5 14.6 1.4 5.6 9.0 25.9 115 94 1.7 1.4 3.1 .250
3 Blake Griffin 2012-13 23 19 621 21.0 .546 .522 6.6 26.1 16.6 17.2 2.3 1.6 13.1 26.2 107 99 1.0 1.1 2.1 .164
4 Carl Landry 2012-13 29 20 522 19.7 .628 .563 13.6 16.3 15.0 6.8 0.7 1.5 15.3 21.4 119 105 1.6 0.5 2.1 .189
5 David Lee 2012-13 29 20 751 19.1 .547 .505 9.0 24.2 16.8 16.5 1.4 0.5 13.8 23.5 109 102 1.3 1.0 2.3 .150
6 Kevin Love 2012-13 24 9 310 22.3 .493 .418 12.6 33.0 22.9 11.8 1.5 1.0 9.8 31.0 105 96 0.5 0.7 1.1 .176


Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 LaMarcus Aldridge 2012-13 27 19 726 18.3 .501 .451 6.1 20.1 12.6 12.8 1.2 2.6 9.3 26.9 104 108 0.9 0.5 1.3 .087
2 Kenneth Faried 2012-13 23 20 598 19.3 .557 .538 16.5 21.7 19.1 3.2 1.6 2.6 11.6 18.2 116 105 1.3 0.6 1.9 .155
3 Zach Randolph 2012-13 31 18 661 20.2 .545 .498 15.9 25.9 20.9 6.2 1.0 1.6 12.6 22.5 111 99 1.4 1.2 2.6 .18

You've got some guys slumping like LMA, Griffin, (Gasol who I didn't include), and if you want to discount Love because he's only played 9 games thus far that's cool, even though he's probably due for a career season again. Also I forgot Serge so there's that. I honestly don't see who he should make it ahead of. And it's not like he's some type of defensive juggernaut or something.

b@llhog24
12-09-2012, 08:38 PM
Also since the removed centers from the ballot: Gasol, Dwight, DJ + all the other forwards eligible are going to/have a shot at making it.

Swashcuff
12-09-2012, 09:08 PM
Love - PER - 22.43
Splitter- PER - 21.09
Griffin - PER - 20.23
Lee - PER - 18.94

Context?

BKLYNpigeon
12-09-2012, 09:12 PM
Lee probably wont make it because he is not popular enough. If Shaq keeps giving him WCW shout outs on TNT he might get in.

TrueFan420
12-09-2012, 09:22 PM
Context?

i dont think he understand... alot of us arent even saying hes gonna make it to the asg but the fact that that guy thinks that splitter is better and has a better shot at the asg cause of his per is a joke

Swashcuff
12-09-2012, 09:31 PM
i dont think he understand... alot of us arent even saying hes gonna make it to the asg but the fact that that guy thinks that splitter is better and has a better shot at the asg cause of his per is a joke

Posts like that are a major reason as to why some people dislike advanced stats. Splitter has always had a very high PER that doesn't mean however that if placed in a role such as Lee's that will continue to be the case. That's like James Harden's dip in scoring efficiency. Your role, minutes played and supporting casts are going to affect your stats in so many different ways that you can't just compare two players who have two totally different roles on their respective teams and say one is better than the other or more impactful because of the fact that he has superior advanced #s. If we're using that basis I'd simply say that Andray Blatche is better than Varejao.

JNoel
12-09-2012, 09:41 PM
David Lee

David Lee?

lol, please
12-09-2012, 09:49 PM
i dont think he understand... alot of us arent even saying hes gonna make it to the asg but the fact that that guy thinks that splitter is better and has a better shot at the asg cause of his per is a joke
This.

David Lee?

David Lee.

FraziersKnicks
12-09-2012, 09:58 PM
Blake Griffin
Dwight Howard
Kevin Love
Zach Randolph
Tim Duncan
LaMarcus Aldridge
Marc Gasol
Ryan Anderson

All big men who should make it over Lee... So no, he won't make it.

b-ballistic
12-10-2012, 12:41 AM
Blake Griffin
Dwight Howard
Kevin Love
Zach Randolph
Tim Duncan
LaMarcus Aldridge
Marc Gasol
Ryan Anderson

All big men who should make it over Lee... So no, he won't make it.

It's ok. I'll take a non-All-Star D. Lee over half that list any day.

PurpleJesus
12-10-2012, 01:00 AM
Lamarcus Aldridge is the one that has consistently been edged out. He is the next in line of the politics of the all star game.

b@llhog24
12-10-2012, 01:03 AM
It's ok. I'll take a non-All-Star D. Lee over half that list any day.

You'll just win less games, no biggie.

mrblisterdundee
12-10-2012, 02:11 AM
I think David Lee is, at this point in the season, an all-star. And no; he's not been the only consistent player on his team (see Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson and Carl Landry, if you view him as a solid spark off the bench).
His team is neck-and-neck with the Clippers for best record in the Pacific Division. On the Warriors, he's the second highest scorer, second-most prolific passer and the leading rebounder - he's also got the most defensive win shares.

b-ballistic
12-10-2012, 02:11 AM
You'll just win less games, no biggie.

guess you haven't been checking out the standings lately :rolleyes:

mrblisterdundee
12-10-2012, 02:14 AM
Lamarcus Aldridge is the one that has consistently been edged out. He is the next in line of the politics of the all star game.

He's made the all-star game. That's about all he's earned so far. Aldridge really needs to toughen up (and the Blazers need to play better), then he'll get more attention.

TrueFan420
12-10-2012, 02:16 AM
I think David Lee is, at this point in the season, an all-star. And no; he's not been the only consistent player on his team (see Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson and Carl Landry, if you view him as a solid spark off the bench).
His team is neck-and-neck with the Clippers for best record in the Pacific Division. On the Warriors, he's the second highest scorer, second-most prolific passer and the leading rebounder - he's also got the most defensive win shares.

Curry and Klay have not been conistent this curry... Curry just hit his stride 5 games ago

b@llhog24
12-10-2012, 02:32 AM
guess you haven't been checking out the standings lately :rolleyes:

The Clippers, San Antonio Spurs, and the Grizzlies all have a higher record than them. While everybody else are just flat out better players than him.

KingPosey
12-10-2012, 02:49 AM
Lee will be an all star this season. The White Chris Webber!

Don't compare Lee to CWebb lol

KingPosey
12-10-2012, 02:51 AM
It's ok. I'll take a non-All-Star D. Lee over half that list any day.

Lee is a good player, but you're crazy!

iFYouSeekAmy
12-10-2012, 02:59 AM
Don't compare Lee to CWebb lol

WCW all day!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60sEUd3pcz8

TrueFan420
12-10-2012, 03:03 AM
It's ok. I'll take a non-All-Star D. Lee over half that list any day.

im a warriors fan and even i think your tripping... id take lee over Anderson. You might be able to make a case for LMA for this year cause he is having a down year and Timmy cause at this point in his career who knows how much longer he will play and at this level. But your tripping if you'd take him over half no questions asked

b-ballistic
12-10-2012, 05:19 AM
It's ok.....I've been a D. Lee fan since he was with NY. I'm glad to see him and the Warriors at the top of their class. But the way this team gels, I certainly wouldn't trade him for ANYONE on that list. That's the kind of thing that made the old Warriors below average every year. Chemistry is what's important and it's a team game. Lee fits with this team and that's all that matters.

b-ballistic
12-10-2012, 05:22 AM
The Clippers, San Antonio Spurs, and the Grizzlies all have a higher record than them. While everybody else are just flat out better players than him.

You can't count the Grizzlies because they have two of those guys from your list on the same team. If the Warriors had Bogut, for example, they could very well have a better record than any of those teams. I'm really not that high on Bogut, though.

b@llhog24
12-10-2012, 05:46 AM
You can't count the Grizzlies because they have two of those guys from your list on the same team. If the Warriors had Bogut, for example, they could very well have a better record than any of those teams. I'm really not that high on Bogut, though.

Lol records aren't indicative of a player's individual talent/production. That's like saying you'd take David Lee over 04-05 Kevin Garnett because he missed the playoffs. Make you evaluations based on how much a closer a specific player would bring a W to your teams record rather than saying "well player A plays on a team with a better record so it's him."

I've noticed you're into advanced stats but I'll try to explain this to you. Like I could make a case for Anderson being a better player than Lee because he can space the floor with his 3 point shooting, he scores more points in less minutes, and even though he isn't an all world defender, he's certainly better than Lee. Only thing Lee has on Anderson is passing and rebounding, the last of which isn't a valuable as many make it out to be at the individual level.

b@llhog24
12-10-2012, 05:48 AM
It's ok.....I've been a D. Lee fan since he was with NY. I'm glad to see him and the Warriors at the top of their class. But the way this team gels, I certainly wouldn't trade him for ANYONE on that list. That's the kind of thing that made the old Warriors below average every year. Chemistry is what's important and it's a team game. Lee fits with this team and that's all that matters.

You can have all the chemistry you want, talent more often than not wins out. In before you cite the exceptions to the rules (04 Detroit Pistons and the 011 Mavericks).

TrueFan420
12-10-2012, 05:56 AM
Lol records aren't indicative of a player's individual talent/production. That's like saying you'd take David Lee over 04-05 Kevin Garnett because he missed the playoffs. Make you evaluations based on how much a closer a specific player would bring a W to your teams record rather than saying "well player A plays on a team with a better record so it's him."

I've noticed you're into advanced stats but I'll try to explain this to you. Like I could make a case for Anderson being a better player than Lee because he can space the floor with his 3 point shooting, he scores more points in less minutes, and even though he isn't an all world defender, he's certainly better than Lee. Only thing Lee has on Anderson is passing and rebounding, the last of which isn't a valuable as many make it out to be at the individual level.
Anderson is not a better defender than lee. Lee is much improved this year. He's not great but ok. I'd put them on par with each other.

b-ballistic
12-10-2012, 05:56 AM
Lol records aren't indicative of a player's individual talent/production. That's like saying you'd take David Lee over 04-05 Kevin Garnett because he missed the playoffs. Make you evaluations based on how much a closer a specific player would bring a W to your teams record rather than saying "well player A plays on a team with a better record so it's him."

I've noticed you're into advanced stats but I'll try to explain this to you. Like I could make a case for Anderson being a better player than Lee because he can space the floor with his 3 point shooting, he scores more points in less minutes, and even though he isn't an all world defender, he's certainly better than Lee. Only thing Lee has on Anderson is passing and rebounding, the last of which isn't a valuable as many make it out to be at the individual level.

Dude, I never brought up any records or stats......if i did......i would certainly lose the argument........if was arguing.

I just said I'd prefer Lee over half the list you posted......it's just my opinion because I think D. Lee is a good team player and that's important on a small market team like the Warriors.

TrueFan420
12-10-2012, 05:57 AM
Dude, I never brought up any records or stats......if i did......i would certainly lose the argument........if was arguing.

I just said I'd prefer Lee over half the list you posted......it's just my opinion because I think D. Lee is a good team player and that's important on a small market team like the Warriors.

Bay Area isn't a small market

b-ballistic
12-10-2012, 06:00 AM
You can have all the chemistry you want, talent more often than not wins out. In before you cite the exceptions to the rules (04 Detroit Pistons and the 011 Mavericks).

Honestly, I don't think they're quite there yet (championship level). But they're on their way if they can add a player or two..........but the fact that HB is so young is a promising factor

b-ballistic
12-10-2012, 06:01 AM
Bay Area isn't a small market

Well, let's just say that not every player in the NBA is eager to go to the Warriors

b-ballistic
12-10-2012, 06:01 AM
yet

lol, please
12-10-2012, 12:46 PM
Well, let's just say that not every player in the NBA is eager to go to the Warriors
Because they haven't been winning, the market is large.

yet
That will change soon enough.

Oefarmy2005
12-10-2012, 02:58 PM
nah, Love is still better and will be in along with Griffin over Lee.

ManRam
12-10-2012, 03:00 PM
Lee was a tough, gritty defender before D'antoni helped turn him into an offensive machine.

He just never played defense after that.

I really don't think he ever played defense period. :shrug:

And I've been following him since he stepped foot on campus at Gainesville.

TrueFan420
12-10-2012, 03:31 PM
I really don't think he ever played defense period. :shrug:

And I've been following him since he stepped foot on campus at Gainesville.

It doesn't help that he plays center from time to time. He can be solid defensively I've seen it and more will see it when Bogut is next to him cause he will hide some of lees weaknesses

lol, please
12-11-2012, 02:20 AM
It doesn't help that he plays center from time to time. He can be solid defensively I've seen it and more will see it when Bogut is next to him cause he will hide some of lees weaknesses

This.