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SteveNash
12-07-2012, 05:25 PM
I've never seen this in NBA history. You had two starting PGs on your roster, let them both walk so you could overpay a guy that doesn't seem like he belongs on a basketball court.

Goran Dragic signed a 4 year 30 million dollar deal.

Kyle Lowry had 2 years 12 million left on his deal.

Jeremy Lin signed a 3 year 25 million dollar deal.

Dragic: 15.4/3/6.5

Lowry: 18.3/5.7/6.0

Lin: 10.5/4.2/6.2 38.6%

Other bad moves can at least be explained, trying to fill a need, trying to win now, weak market, trade demands, team chemistry, trying to shed salary, trying to rebuild. None of which explains the Lin signing.

DoMeFavors
12-07-2012, 05:32 PM
he sure was he should be on a couch right now out of the league, but fans and I Guess gms were blinded by 9 games.

GiantsSwaGG
12-07-2012, 05:36 PM
They were stupid. Even toney Douglas is playing better. Thank God the Knicks didn't match

PlezPlayDKnicks
12-07-2012, 05:37 PM
Clearly 16 games tell the whole story. I guess Brooklyn should be mad at joe j stealing money from them with his terrible production

LAKobeBryant
12-07-2012, 05:37 PM
Rockets like paying big bucks for unproven players. They like taking risk for ex. harden, lin, asik, some work out some don't.

LAKobeBryant
12-07-2012, 05:38 PM
Clearly 16 games tell the whole story. I guess Brooklyn should be mad at joe j stealing money from them with his terrible production

Who wouldn't be mad Johnson is like one of the top 3 highest paid player in the NBA but don't even get mentioned in the MVP race EVER.

Jon Gruden
12-07-2012, 05:38 PM
Well you'd have to think so, Stevey.

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-07-2012, 05:39 PM
16 games means everything apparently. It decides players careers and championships.

Baller1
12-07-2012, 05:40 PM
It's 16 games...

AWC713
12-07-2012, 05:47 PM
this is rediculous. WORST SIGNING OF ALL TIME?

he's averaging 11/ 6/ 4 with 2 steals a game...for 8 mil a year.

thats not the WORST of ALL TIME. cmon. is he underperforming? sure. but he's 24 and is coming back from an injury.

how about gilbert for 120 mil? or rashard lewis for a max contract.

id say nene is a worse contract right now too, hes getting a max contract and hes pulling in just over 4 rebounds a game

Sly Guy
12-07-2012, 05:47 PM
bad contract, nowhere near the worst.

mightybosstone
12-07-2012, 05:49 PM
This might be the worst thread I've seen on PSD in months. Some of you are truly mind blowingly stupid.

SteveNash
12-07-2012, 05:51 PM
Clearly 16 games tell the whole story. I guess Brooklyn should be mad at joe j stealing money from them with his terrible production


16 games means everything apparently. It decides players careers and championships.


It's 16 games...

Lin starting 25 games was enough to earn $25 mil. Y not judge him now?

Joe Johnson wasn't a free agent.

JNoel
12-07-2012, 05:54 PM
Charlie V signing<

SteveNash
12-07-2012, 05:55 PM
this is rediculous. WORST SIGNING OF ALL TIME?

he's averaging 11/ 6/ 4 with 2 steals a game...for 8 mil a year.

thats not the WORST of ALL TIME. cmon. is he underperforming? sure. but he's 24 and is coming back from an injury.

how about gilbert for 120 mil? or rashard lewis for a max contract.

id say nene is a worse contract right now too, hes getting a max contract and hes pulling in just over 4 rebounds a game

Look at the big picture, though and you can at least make sense of those deals. Wizards and Denver were trying to make a push for the playoffs while maintaining their core. If they let those guys walk, the teams get worse in the immediate future.

Rashard Lewis was in a weak free agent market. Orlando had money to spend, if they didn't spend it, they would lost cap space while remaining neutral.

Cal827
12-07-2012, 05:56 PM
Laundry Fields

sep11ie
12-07-2012, 05:59 PM
Steve Nash.

djohn2oo8
12-07-2012, 06:12 PM
Dumb thread. Lin was signed in part of his marketability to the Asian market.

Nabeshin
12-07-2012, 06:18 PM
I would not go as far as calling him a bust just yet, but given the few games he played with the Knicks last season 20 + and then the Rockets giving him a 3/25m contract is a bit absurd similar to the contract the Raptors gave Fields. We got Felton at 4/12m and he is proving that he was the correct choice and meshes well with the rest of the squad.

Htownballa1622
12-07-2012, 06:19 PM
This might be the worst thread I've seen on PSD in months. Some of you are truly mind blowingly stupid.

This. And its funny how the same ppl agree. Tells u what u need to know about a few.

JEDean89
12-07-2012, 06:19 PM
considering he makes the Rockets tons of money, no

JEDean89
12-07-2012, 06:21 PM
Laundry Fields

this, loved him his rookie year in NY, then he regressed and regressed and is still regressing all the way to a legendary 1.33 PER

Cal827
12-07-2012, 06:26 PM
this, loved him his rookie year in NY, then he regressed and regressed and is still regressing all the way to a legendary 1.33 PER

Yup, nothing like barebacking your own team with no lube by using cap space that could have been placed towards on a max player, on a guy who's making Rasual Butler's amazing season with us, look actually decent :cry:

**** Brian Colangelo :mad:

RonE Coleman
12-07-2012, 06:28 PM
Lmao, no but his best friend Landry Fields might be the worst.

My Knicks have also given some awful contracts, Jerome James, Eddy Curry, the list goes on :facepalm:

king4day
12-07-2012, 06:28 PM
The first two years of the deal actually aren't that bad. Keep in mind he is learning to play with a ball dominant guard on the fly. It's still a new team for him.

If these are his stats by mid next season, then I would be concerned.

ManRam
12-07-2012, 06:32 PM
It's been a month. Stop being an idiot and saying "ALL TIME".

SeoulBeatz
12-07-2012, 06:32 PM
Charlie V signing<

I second that.

The goods
12-07-2012, 06:32 PM
He sucks but not the worse.

Zefflin
12-07-2012, 06:34 PM
Pretty damn close. Someone name 3 worse...

ManRam
12-07-2012, 06:40 PM
Pretty damn close. Someone name 3 worse...

I could name way more than three. Probably 100.

Gilbert Arenas. That contract crippled the teams he was on FAR more than Lin's tiny contract in comparison will.
Greg Oden
Grant Hill (Magic)
Larry Hughes (Cavs)
Ben Wallace (Cavs)
Eddy Curry (4 years 60 million w/ Chicago)


Come on. He didn't deserve it, but his contract isn't that awful. He's making 5 million this year and next...and then in his final year he could have trade value as a HUGE expiring contract. You know how many crappy players make 5+ million a year? A **** ton.

SteveNash
12-07-2012, 06:45 PM
considering he makes the Rockets tons of money, no

Source? Attendance is about the same. Can't find any other measures of revenue.

Some people seem to be confused and keep bringing up that it's only been 16 games. Most of these people don't seem to realize the problem with small sample sizes. Yes, numbers can look bad, but it goes beyond numbers. If Lin was playing great, getting tons of great shots and is just off it would be one thing.

It isn't, Lin has been terrible in pretty much every area of the game. He's not able to create for himself, he has been exposed. Scouting reports start to come in and Lin is in trouble. He contributes virtually nothing to the team. It wasn't like Lin was the only option and they had to stick with him.

They had two superior players, playing the same position, available for less money per year. What is Lin's purpose, to be a slightly better rebounder at the PG position?



I could name way more than three. Probably 100.

Gilbert Arenas. That contract crippled the teams he was on FAR more than Lin's tiny contract in comparison will.
Greg Oden
Grant Hill (Magic)
Larry Hughes (Cavs)
Ben Wallace (Cavs)
Eddy Curry (4 years 60 million w/ Chicago)


Come on. He didn't deserve it, but his contract isn't that awful. He's making 5 million this year and next...and then in his final year he could have trade value as a HUGE expiring contract. You know how many crappy players make 5+ million a year? A **** ton.

Teams had legitimate reasons for those signings though. I'll give you an example. Say the Washington Wizards had Chris Paul and Deron Williams. They let those two guys so they can pay more money for Gilbert Arenas. That's what Houston did.

BKLYNpigeon
12-07-2012, 06:45 PM
It would be a bad signing if Lin were on the Lakers, Knicks, or Heat where salary cap is essential. Lin is playing on the Rockets, they have cap room and flexibility. its only for 3 years.

some past contracts that were worse.


Washington - Gilbert Arenas, six-year $111 million

Philly - Elton Brand, five-year $80 million

Hornets - Peja Stojakovich, five-year, $64 million

Knicks - Eddy Curry, six-year, $60 million deal

Dallas - Raef Lafrentz, seven-year, $70 million deal

Indiana - Jermaine O'Neil - seven-year, $70 million deal

Portland - Brian Grant, seven-year, $86 million deal.

Milwalkee - Vin Baker seven-year, $86 million deal.

Denver - Kenyon Martin, seven-year max deal

Indiana - Austin Croshere, seven-year 51 million deal.

Avenged
12-07-2012, 06:47 PM
Doesn't matter how many games there's been. Lin has never been that good. He had a hot stretch, it happens.

mightybosstone
12-07-2012, 06:51 PM
The dude's making an average of $8 million a year for three years and his numbers aren't nearly as bad as everyone is making them sound. Not only is this not the worst contract of all-time, it's not even the worse contract signed this year. This thread is awful and anyone who tries to jump on board that train is a complete moron.

nycericanguy
12-07-2012, 06:54 PM
I could name way more than three. Probably 100.

Gilbert Arenas. That contract crippled the teams he was on FAR more than Lin's tiny contract in comparison will.
Greg Oden
Grant Hill (Magic)
Larry Hughes (Cavs)
Ben Wallace (Cavs)
Eddy Curry (4 years 60 million w/ Chicago)


Come on. He didn't deserve it, but his contract isn't that awful. He's making 5 million this year and next...and then in his final year he could have trade value as a HUGE expiring contract. You know how many crappy players make 5+ million a year? A **** ton.

no his contract with HOU will count as 8.4m x 3 years.

HouRealCoach
12-07-2012, 06:55 PM
Charlie V, Landry Fields, Travis Outlaw, etc.

It was much more but it was a terrible signing but aren't all restricted FA's signings terrible? NBA needs to get rid of that

mightybosstone
12-07-2012, 06:56 PM
no his contract with HOU will count as 8.4m x 3 years.

That's how much it actually costs. But that's not what the number is against the cap. It's something like 5, 5, 15 against the cap, as is Asik's contract.

heyman321
12-07-2012, 06:56 PM
He's actually playing very well aside from his FG%. 11/4/6 from a third-fourth option on a team? That's good.

People making these threads are just closet racists that can't still can't believe that stretch in NY happened, and the people backing up these threads are angry Knicks fans who feel betrayed by him "leaving" (when he wasn't the one who decided to leave) but feel redeemed and justified because Felton is playing great.

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-07-2012, 06:56 PM
Worse Contract: Johan Petro 3 years 10 Million. The fact that he earned a dollar in the NBA is absurd.

smith&wesson
12-07-2012, 06:57 PM
yes! Lin was extreamly over rated last season.

imagine houston with harden and lowry :drool:

nycericanguy
12-07-2012, 06:58 PM
That's how much it actually costs. But that's not what the number is against the cap. It's something like 5, 5, 15 against the cap, as is Asik's contract.

No, his cap hit is averaged out over 3 years, so yes it's an 8.4m cap hit.

it would only be 5/5/15 had ny matched

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/houston-rockets/jeremy-lin/

ManRam
12-07-2012, 06:59 PM
no his contract with HOU will count as 8.4m x 3 years.

Yeah. The cap hit is 8 a year. Forgot about the poison pill thing.


It's not good. But again, it's far from one of the worst ever.

nycericanguy
12-07-2012, 07:01 PM
Yeah. The cap hit is 8 a year. Forgot about the poison pill thing.


It's not good. But again, it's far from one of the worst ever.

that actually prob works out better for HOU, otherwise they'd had close to $50m tied up in Lin/asik/Harden come 2015

spreadeagle
12-07-2012, 07:03 PM
It would be a bad signing if Lin were on the Lakers, Knicks, or Heat where salary cap is essential. Lin is playing on the Rockets, they have cap room and flexibility. its only for 3 years.

some past contracts that were worse.


Washington - Gilbert Arenas, six-year $111 million

Philly - Elton Brand, five-year $80 million

Hornets - Peja Stojakovich, five-year, $64 million

Knicks - Eddy Curry, six-year, $60 million deal

Dallas - Raef Lafrentz, seven-year, $70 million deal

Indiana - Jermaine O'Neil - seven-year, $70 million deal

Portland - Brian Grant, seven-year, $86 million deal.

Milwalkee - Vin Baker seven-year, $86 million deal.

Denver - Kenyon Martin, seven-year max deal

Indiana - Austin Croshere, seven-year 51 million deal.

correct, also Hedo 5 years 50 million..its crazy to see all those 6-7 year deals, thank god teams are doin 3-4 year deals now

SteveNash
12-07-2012, 07:09 PM
Charlie V, Landry Fields, Travis Outlaw, etc.

It was much more but it was a terrible signing but aren't all restricted FA's signings terrible? NBA needs to get rid of that

What do all three of those signings have in common? Teams that had money and were willing to spend. When you have money to spend, money you need to spend if you want to accomplish goals you want to accomplish, you're going to get some bad contracts.

This signing is dumb because it's not about the money. Lin brings NOTHING over Dragic/Lowry. You don't get better with Lin, you don't get much younger with Lin, you don't save cap space with Lin.

AddiX
12-07-2012, 07:10 PM
My big fault with the contract is that Hou didn't bring in a good vet for lin to learn from. It's a bad contract but not the worse.

Funny, Lin took Douglas's JM in ny, and than went to Hou and tok his job again, and now td is starting to take the job back. Puts into perspective just how much mike ds system helped Jeremy.

JasonJohnHorn
12-07-2012, 07:28 PM
It's not the worst signing... it was a gamble, like a draft pick.. they got a small sample size and then had a bidding war, so they over paid, but it was a good risk.

That said, I would say it was ironic... since they signed him before NY, then didn't play him, and let him sign with NY. I mean, they had him BEFORE he blew up in NY and gave up on him. Then they sign him... I mean, didn't they get a good enough look at him the first time around?

Captain Moroni
12-07-2012, 07:36 PM
Worst ever? come on...

mightybosstone
12-07-2012, 07:49 PM
It isn't, Lin has been terrible in pretty much every area of the game. He's not able to create for himself, he has been exposed. Scouting reports start to come in and Lin is in trouble. He contributes virtually nothing to the team.
This just simply isn't accurate, and that's coming from a Rockets fan who has seen most games this season and has been pretty critical of Lin. For one, he's been bad shooting from the perimeter, but he still gets to the rim a decent amount and seems to be figuring out his role better in this offense.

In the four games prior to the Lakers game, he averaged 13.5/7.25/4.25/2.5 while shooting .571 from the floor and .429 beyond the arc. He's clearly making strides from earlier in the season, but no one wants to notice that. He's doing a good job in the pick and roll offense when he's got the ball in his hands, but the guy's trying to get used to playing without the ball and that's going to take time.


It wasn't like Lin was the only option and they had to stick with him. They had two superior players, playing the same position, available for less money per year. What is Lin's purpose, to be a slightly better rebounder at the PG position?
This is WILDLY inaccurate. For one, Lowry was going to be gone no matter what because he and McHale didn't see eye to eye. And even if he didn't, he and Harden could never have played together, because the Rockets acquired Harden using the pick they got for Lowry.

And Morey wanted to keep Dragic, but they didn't want to give Dragic a player option on the fourth year. Also, Dragic makes $8.5 million a year, which is more than Lin makes and Lowry makes less than Lin now, but not for long. He'll sign a contract extension this year or next and easily make $10 million a year. Lin was easily the cheapest, easiest option long term, unlike you're claiming.


Teams had legitimate reasons for those signings though. I'll give you an example. Say the Washington Wizards had Chris Paul and Deron Williams. They let those two guys so they can pay more money for Gilbert Arenas. That's what Houston did.
The Rockets had legitimate reasons for their signing. They didn't want to pay Dragic for the fourth year. Also, Morey knew this was a young team and got a significantly younger player in Lin with just as much upside as Dragic and Lowry. You're seriously an idiot if you think this is the "worse contract ever." They haven't even played a quarter of a season yet!!!

WAYNEBO
12-07-2012, 07:52 PM
he sure was he should be on a couch right now out of the league, but fans and I Guess gms were blinded by 9 games.

Only thing I can agree with this knob-gobbler about.

Loved his potential, was looking forward to Lin resigning at a reasonable price, to learn from JKidd -- but at that arrogant price, glad that kid walked.

Lin was a fun cartoonish story that helped revitalize a sagging, disappointing team and fanbase, but he was not the reason for their successful string of games. By having that team around a functioning PG better than Toney Douglas and Mike Bibby... that's why he looked so good.

ccg34
12-07-2012, 07:57 PM
Haters gonna hate. Dumbest thread of all time?

AntwanN21
12-07-2012, 08:01 PM
Nope that award would go to the Hedo Turkoglu signing.

29$JerZ
12-07-2012, 08:01 PM
Jerome James
Jared Jeffries (Full MLE, 5 years, and a Player Option during the 2010 Free Agency)

Don't insult Lin like that. There are far worse cases.

roshan3ai
12-07-2012, 08:01 PM
You do know that Jerome James and Jared Jeffries were both given the full MLE right?

roshan3ai
12-07-2012, 08:02 PM
You do know that Jerome James and Jared Jeffries were both given the full MLE right?


Jerome James
Jared Jeffries (Full MLE, 5 years, and a Player Option during the 2010 Free Agency)

Don't insult Lin like that. There are far worse cases.

OhmyGod crazy timing :hi5:

Chronz
12-07-2012, 08:04 PM
Look at the big picture, though and you can at least make sense of those deals. Wizards and Denver were trying to make a push for the playoffs while maintaining their core. If they let those guys walk, the teams get worse in the immediate future.

Rashard Lewis was in a weak free agent market. Orlando had money to spend, if they didn't spend it, they would lost cap space while remaining neutral.

You werent saying any of this when Arenas signed that deal

Shark
12-07-2012, 08:10 PM
I've never seen this in NBA history. You had two starting PGs on your roster, let them both walk so you could overpay a guy that doesn't seem like he belongs on a basketball court.

Goran Dragic signed a 4 year 30 million dollar deal.

Kyle Lowry had 2 years 12 million left on his deal.

Jeremy Lin signed a 3 year 25 million dollar deal.

Dragic: 15.4/3/6.5

Lowry: 18.3/5.7/6.0

Lin: 10.5/4.2/6.2 38.6%

Other bad moves can at least be explained, trying to fill a need, trying to win now, weak market, trade demands, team chemistry, trying to shed salary, trying to rebuild. None of which explains the Lin signing.

It probably did not help that they went out and made a big splash trade to get Harden... It feels like Harden has a bigger agenda to prove himself and make him the star of that team. I feel as if Lin would have a bigger impact without the trade for Harden

Evolution23
12-07-2012, 08:12 PM
He is overpaid but not the worse ever.

astrosmaniac
12-07-2012, 08:18 PM
That's how much it actually costs. But that's not what the number is against the cap. It's something like 5, 5, 15 against the cap, as is Asik's contract.

If he's traded. Houston actually pays him in terms of 5, 5, 15 but it counts for like 8.3 for us each season unless traded.

Lowry didn't get along with mchale and trading him to Toronto got us The pick that was crucial to get harden. Do I wish we had kept dragic instead? Hell yeah. Most rockets fans think that way. Does that make him the worst FA signing of all time? No.

And dragic was a UFA. No guarantee he would have stayed even if we offered him the same thing Phoenix did

LOOTERX9
12-07-2012, 08:18 PM
Pretty damn close. Someone name 3 worse...

That's way too easy :)

1-Jerome James (knicks)
2-Gilbert Arenas (wizards)
3-Rashard "steroids" lewis
4-Landry Fields
5-Eddie Curry
6- And maybe even Amare Stoudamire lol

MonroeFAN
12-07-2012, 08:19 PM
I agree with whomever said Landry Fields. This guy was an interesting role player, and Toronto thought they found a diamond in the rough. There is even a member on here who has a signature claiming for him to be a star.

Goofy Canadians.

astrosmaniac
12-07-2012, 08:21 PM
It's not the worst signing... it was a gamble, like a draft pick.. they got a small sample size and then had a bidding war, so they over paid, but it was a good risk.

That said, I would say it was ironic... since they signed him before NY, then didn't play him, and let him sign with NY. I mean, they had him BEFORE he blew up in NY and gave up on him. Then they sign him... I mean, didn't they get a good enough look at him the first time around?

I liked him in TC. But they already had 3 PGs with guaranteed contracts and with our front court depth they didnt have the roster spots to keep 4 PGs

heyman321
12-07-2012, 08:23 PM
I agree with whomever said Landry Fields. This guy was an interesting role player, and Toronto thought they found a diamond in the rough. There is even a member on here who has a signature claiming for him to be a star.

Goofy Canadians.

signing Landry Fields was a tactic to get Steve Nash to the Raptors, they didn't sign him because they thought he was prime T-mac, genius.

MonroeFAN
12-07-2012, 08:24 PM
You were the one actually, nice NEW signature.

29$JerZ
12-07-2012, 08:26 PM
Oh Yeah

Lin's BFF Landry Fields, check him out

Landry Fields
$5,000,000
$5,225,000
$8,500,000

This Season

2012-13 24 TOR NBA 5 5 21.4 1.0 4.8 .208 0.0 0.6 .000 0.4 0.6 .667 0.6 2.6 3.2 1.6 0.6 0.0 1.0 1.2 2.4

His PER is 1.33

MonroeFAN
12-07-2012, 08:30 PM
Actually,

If he were to play as well as he was in NY, the contract isn't a bad one. Hey Detroit signed BG and CV thinking they were going to be the next big thing.

heyman321
12-07-2012, 08:34 PM
You were the one actually, nice NEW signature.

Yes I was that one, why are you acting like I'm denying it? That signature was a joke you idiot, and it seems everyone on the forum besides you understood that.

evadatam5150
12-07-2012, 08:46 PM
he sure was he should be on a couch right now out of the league, but fans and I Guess gms were blinded by 9 games.

Pretty much this.. The hype was all there with no real NBA substance to back it up.. Sure he had a great run of a few games but eventually landed in reality.. I think the real problem is that he was playing for NY at the time and the media craze really got out of hand.. He's an average player at best who got hot in the right city at the right time.. Superstar player he is not though..

astrosmaniac
12-07-2012, 08:58 PM
Pretty much this.. The hype was all there with no real NBA substance to back it up.. Sure he had a great run of a few games but eventually landed in reality.. I think the real problem is that he was playing for NY at the time and the media craze really got out of hand.. He's an average player at best who got hot in the right city at the right time.. Superstar player he is not though..

how does "average player" translate to he should be out of the league (which is what DMF said and you said you agreed)?

i dont think anyone here is claiming he's a superstar, but it's not like he was paid like one. does the deal look bad now? yes, but in a couple months it will look better IMO, and even if he never improves from his numbers right now, it's still not the worst signing in NBA history

Kashmir13579
12-07-2012, 09:41 PM
Clearly 16 games tell the whole story. I guess Brooklyn should be mad at joe j stealing money from them with his terrible production

The Nets might as well have signed Lin at $25,000,000

Kashmir13579
12-07-2012, 09:42 PM
Oh Yeah

Lin's BFF Landry Fields, check him out

Landry Fields
$5,000,000
$5,225,000
$8,500,000

This Season

2012-13 24 TOR NBA 5 5 21.4 1.0 4.8 .208 0.0 0.6 .000 0.4 0.6 .667 0.6 2.6 3.2 1.6 0.6 0.0 1.0 1.2 2.4

His PER is 1.33

LOL... who could've seen that coming?? The contract or the PER.....

Anji
12-07-2012, 09:46 PM
I cheated.

Raef LaFrentz 7 years 70 million
Austin Croshere 5 years 50 million


Lin is just over hyped, wish somebody would show those figures of all that money a Ramon Session level point guard is bringing into the Rockets chauffeurs.

Kashmir13579
12-07-2012, 09:50 PM
I cheated.

Raef LaFrentz 7 years 70 million
Austin Croshere 5 years 50 million


Lin is just over hyped, wish somebody would show those figures of all that money a Ramon Session level point guard is bringing into the Rockets chauffeurs.




damn....

knicks=love
12-07-2012, 09:52 PM
I've never seen this in NBA history. You had two starting PGs on your roster, let them both walk so you could overpay a guy that doesn't seem like he belongs on a basketball court.

Goran Dragic signed a 4 year 30 million dollar deal.

Kyle Lowry had 2 years 12 million left on his deal.

Jeremy Lin signed a 3 year 25 million dollar deal.

Dragic: 15.4/3/6.5

Lowry: 18.3/5.7/6.0

Lin: 10.5/4.2/6.2 38.6%

Other bad moves can at least be explained, trying to fill a need, trying to win now, weak market, trade demands, team chemistry, trying to shed salary, trying to rebuild. None of which explains the Lin signing.

i guess you didn't hear about toronto signing landry fields

seikou8
12-07-2012, 09:55 PM
i guess you didn't hear about toronto signing landry fields

this

mdm692
12-07-2012, 10:11 PM
i guess you didn't hear about toronto signing landry fields

This. I love how someone above mentioned that Fields was a move made to "lure" Nash to the Raptors as if they were trying to justify the signing.

meloman1592
12-07-2012, 10:20 PM
All i know is...Felton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lin and Brewer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fields

ewing
12-07-2012, 10:44 PM
I think it was John "Hot rod" Williams.

GiantsSwaGG
12-07-2012, 10:55 PM
It's like the Raps signed a weaker DeRozan in fields :laugh:

DerekRE_3
12-07-2012, 11:08 PM
No. The Kings signed Mikki Moore. Voluntarily. Mikki Moore for 3 years 18 million. Mikki Moore.

Pistol_Pete
12-07-2012, 11:19 PM
Allan Houston was probably the worst signing of all time.

Lin is underperforming based on what people thought he would do. But 10.5/6/4/2 is not bad at all. Plus, I'm not even sure the Rockets signed him for on court performance as much as they did for the marketing opportunities and merchandise sales.

lakerboy
12-07-2012, 11:23 PM
Eddy curry was worst. Lin will play better.

Benaforce
12-08-2012, 03:51 AM
From a marketability stand point I don't think it was bad. I' m sure the Rockets have and will make money from it. He will have a 4 game stretch of excellent ball and hit some clutch shots and the marketability will go up again. It only took a few games last year for him to become one of the most popular players. So..Sure they over paid talent wise, but from a money standpoint I think the Rockets will be ok.

Sadds The Gr8
12-08-2012, 03:59 AM
Landry Fields says hello

Ebbs
12-08-2012, 05:12 AM
No where near the worst ever

sagemania
12-08-2012, 08:38 AM
Lin is pure thrash. It is looking like a very stupid move. Reality Dragic>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.20 game media made hype

the unknown
12-08-2012, 09:18 AM
Jerome Jordan 5 years 35.. career 4.1 ppg

the unknown
12-08-2012, 09:19 AM
You can't teach height smh

NYKNYGNYY
12-08-2012, 09:34 AM
And I was upset when we didn't sign fields and Lin ...I let my heart get the best of me there , that's why fans don't run teams

dalton749
12-08-2012, 09:36 AM
bargnani is a prime example of how a short stretch of games means nothing. he came out last year for 13 games and everyone thought he may finally be an allstar before getting injured and now this year being absolutely terrible

xxfresh
12-08-2012, 02:39 PM
yes! Lin was extreamly over rated last season.

imagine houston with harden and lowry :drool:

Lowry to Toronto played a part in the Harden trade didn't it?

Plus on top of that BOTH our pg's wanted out. Lowry had problems with Adleman and Dragic wanted to go back to the Suns. If i recall we offered Dragic a similar contract that Phoenix gave him but he chose them instead.

At the time, Lin was the best option at pg available. He was a household name, and does bring revenue from the Chinese market (which we sort of lost through Yao's retirement).

BcEuAbRsS
12-08-2012, 02:59 PM
Lakers should trade for him. :D

MonroeFAN
12-08-2012, 06:06 PM
Yes I was that one, why are you acting like I'm denying it? That signature was a joke you idiot, and it seems everyone on the forum besides you understood that.

Why are you calling me an idiot? Are you unable to accept a little criticism without insulting me? If it was a joke fine, I'm sorry. It really wasn't funny.

And, relax tough guy.

Dankster
12-08-2012, 06:12 PM
No, not at all. Kinda feel bad for the kid that he's being examined so scrupulously all the time, but than I remember he's a multimillionaire so I don't really care that much.

He's underperformed based on his contract, but he was in a lose-lose situation because it was going to be hard to live up to that contract anyway with all they hype that surrounded him. He'd probably be playing completely differently if Harden wasn't on the team.

People used to ***** on the NYK forum about Melo and Lin on the court together but Harden in my opinion is even worse. That dude is a straight up ball stopper. Lin has been relegated to more of a spot up guy offensively if the ball isn't in his hands.

But he's rebounding well and averaging a decent amount of assists (>6.) Hopefully he keeps improving.

SteveNash
12-08-2012, 07:00 PM
Haven't seen Fields play this year, but he's obviously better than what he's doing right now. He's obviously upgrades their roster, not weakens it like Lin.

John Walls Era
12-08-2012, 07:02 PM
Of all time....

likemystylez
12-08-2012, 07:18 PM
It would be a bad signing if Lin were on the Lakers, Knicks, or Heat where salary cap is essential. Lin is playing on the Rockets, they have cap room and flexibility. its only for 3 years.

some past contracts that were worse.


Washington - Gilbert Arenas, six-year $111 million

Philly - Elton Brand, five-year $80 million

Hornets - Peja Stojakovich, five-year, $64 million

Knicks - Eddy Curry, six-year, $60 million deal

Dallas - Raef Lafrentz, seven-year, $70 million deal

Indiana - Jermaine O'Neil - seven-year, $70 million deal
Portland - Brian Grant, seven-year, $86 million deal.

Milwalkee - Vin Baker seven-year, $86 million deal.
Denver - Kenyon Martin, seven-year max deal

Indiana - Austin Croshere, seven-year 51 million deal.

to be fair- some of these contracts were big contracts and maybe a touch on the high side- but the bolded players were very good players leading up to the contract.... for the most part it was just injuries that made the contracts not work out- but I dont think that makes them historically "bad signings". Some contracts dont work out- its a risk on both ends.

Jeremy Lin is an interesting contract because as a player he is not worth that money. I think even the rockets knew they were overpaying for him (I mean they had to offer a contract that the knicks wouldnt match- think about that for a second)

Most of the time when you are trying to steal a young a developing player away from another team that has his bird rights- you are going to overpay for him. In some cases- it makes sense to overpay for a player. Usually those cases are when he is the final piece to a contending team (Jeremy lin is not)

Jeremy Lin could earn his money on the PR side though. A team with jeremy lin could get a tv deal with china similar to the one the lakers got with time warner. They could have jeremy lin doing weekly episodes of how he likes the nba.... he could make his franchise a ton of money.

Its amazing that he didnt stay in Golden State for this very reason. Its amazing that the warriors owners didnt see the potential with him going to a public highschool 30 miles up the highway, and such a huge chinese population in the bay area at the games. Jeremy lin was a huge jersey seller before he even got into a game at goldenstate.

To top it off- Jeremy lin is a decent player. I think hes a good bench combo guard, an average starter at best- but in a few yrs when hes making 15 million a yr and houston is starting a late 1st rd pick over him- this is going to be an even bigger problem.

Cal827
12-08-2012, 07:33 PM
LMAO I'm sorry, did somebody just say that Landry Fields upgrades a roster? Based on this season, I wouldn't want to put him on my old middle school pee wee team.



GTFO. This thread doesn't continue properly until you GFTO

sammyvine
12-08-2012, 07:46 PM
I could name way more than three. Probably 100.

Gilbert Arenas. That contract crippled the teams he was on FAR more than Lin's tiny contract in comparison will.
Greg Oden
Grant Hill (Magic)
Larry Hughes (Cavs)
Ben Wallace (Cavs)
Eddy Curry (4 years 60 million w/ Chicago)


Come on. He didn't deserve it, but his contract isn't that awful. He's making 5 million this year and next...and then in his final year he could have trade value as a HUGE expiring contract. You know how many crappy players make 5+ million a year? A **** ton.

Wasn't he a superstar?

I am a bit new to the nba and didn't see Hill play but i heard he was awesome in his prime?

the_prodigy
12-08-2012, 07:50 PM
you seem to forget that the rockets made the moves involving dragic and lowry with the plan of getting deron williams....lin was the fallback option. amazing how fast pple are willing to jump on signings and label em bad without even letting half the season play out yet. :facepalm:

Heatcheck
12-08-2012, 11:04 PM
what the op fails to relize is that lins contributions go far beyond the court. if the Chinese take to him like they did yao, hes going to more than pay for his contract in sales.

phoenix_bladen
12-08-2012, 11:20 PM
He was signed because the rockets needed to sell tickets and they thought Lin could be the face of the franchise. They banked on his potential and he hasn't worked out so far.

He sure was more popular than dragic or Lowry. Although they have better production at the moment none are franchise players and outside of Houston nobody even talks about them.

Lin was a bit different he was all hype but now it doesn't look too great and plus they got harden now

IDunknown
12-08-2012, 11:50 PM
Wasn't he a superstar?

I am a bit new to the nba and didn't see Hill play but i heard he was awesome in his prime?

He was a less strong Lebron James style player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVFJkdolDcA

popo85
12-08-2012, 11:52 PM
Larry Hughes AKA LeBron's Pippen

SouthSideRookie
12-09-2012, 01:23 AM
you seem to forget that the rockets made the moves involving dragic and lowry with the plan of getting deron williams....lin was the fallback option. amazing how fast pple are willing to jump on signings and label em bad without even letting half the season play out yet. :facepalm:

Lin is just going on a half-seasons worth of NBA experience. Also, having Lowry meant no Harden.

Lin is younger than both Lowry and Dragic who have way more experience.

Lowry and Dragic with the Rockets was good enough for the 14th pick year after year.

Rockets went younger and finally on a rebuilding phase which they should have done way sooner.

phoenix_bladen
12-09-2012, 02:08 AM
Lin is just another Darren collision or Ramon sessions and even andrea bargnani in the 2nd half of his 3rd season.

A short period where they all blew up and then faded away

sagemania
12-09-2012, 02:10 AM
Benched again for Douglas.Rockets coaching staff are coming to the same conclusion as us that Lin is a backup.

LA_Raiders
12-09-2012, 02:29 AM
who???

heyman321
12-09-2012, 02:33 AM
Ya'll racist!

Blitzace137
12-09-2012, 02:37 AM
No, not at all. Kinda feel bad for the kid that he's being examined so scrupulously all the time, but than I remember he's a multimillionaire so I don't really care that much.

He's underperformed based on his contract, but he was in a lose-lose situation because it was going to be hard to live up to that contract anyway with all they hype that surrounded him. He'd probably be playing completely differently if Harden wasn't on the team.

People used to ***** on the NYK forum about Melo and Lin on the court together but Harden in my opinion is even worse. That dude is a straight up ball stopper. Lin has been relegated to more of a spot up guy offensively if the ball isn't in his hands.

But he's rebounding well and averaging a decent amount of assists (>6.) Hopefully he keeps improving.

Dankster the voice of reason, your post is spot on I've been saying the same thing. Lin doesn't fit in with this Rocket team it's obvious. He's not a spot up shooter I have no doubt that he would be better with us under Kidd and Woodson running the point.

mjt20mik
12-09-2012, 02:39 AM
No. Two Words.

Landry Fields

Blitzace137
12-09-2012, 02:39 AM
you seem to forget that the rockets made the moves involving dragic and lowry with the plan of getting deron williams....lin was the fallback option. amazing how fast pple are willing to jump on signings and label em bad without even letting half the season play out yet. :facepalm:

what? Deron was never coming to Houston I think your thinking of the Mavs wrong Texas team lol

bootleg42
12-09-2012, 02:42 AM
It wasn't the dumbest, but it wasn't wise. Houston overpaid to get mediocre players. They were wise to get Harden but other than that, the rest of their off-season was..............irrelevant.

Blitzace137
12-09-2012, 02:43 AM
This is the dumbest thread title I've seen in a while though to be honest.

8kobe24
12-09-2012, 02:43 AM
For that kind of money, yes.

alexander_37
12-09-2012, 02:46 AM
It wasn't the dumbest, but it wasn't wise. Houston overpaid to get mediocre players. They were wise to get Harden but other than that, the rest of their off-season was..............irrelevant.

Asik is mediocre????? :facepalm:

Blitzace137
12-09-2012, 03:12 AM
What the Rockets did is they handed the keys to the Benz to Jeremy then took it back and gave it to Harden. Before Hardin, Lin was in a perfect system where he would run thing's and be the primary playmaker. Now he's just a role player, a spot up shooter. They should have went with Dragic like McHale initially wanted.

They didn't bring in any vets to help Lin like the Knicks did with Kidd, they basically threw him under the fire to fend for himself just to cash in on his market and hoped he performed well like he did in NY.

I'm still rooting for the kid, hopefully he comes around.

c.c.
12-09-2012, 03:13 AM
No comment :-#

the_prodigy
12-09-2012, 03:52 AM
what? Deron was never coming to Houston I think your thinking of the Mavs wrong Texas team lol

early on in free agency there were reports that one of the pitches the rockets were making to dwight was that they were hoping to sign williams as well. houston may not have been high on his list but they were attempting to sign him. dwight didnt like lin as a back up plan which is why the trade with orlando never fell through.

the_prodigy
12-09-2012, 03:54 AM
Lin is just going on a half-seasons worth of NBA experience. Also, having Lowry meant no Harden.

Lin is younger than both Lowry and Dragic who have way more experience.

Lowry and Dragic with the Rockets was good enough for the 14th pick year after year.

Rockets went younger and finally on a rebuilding phase which they should have done way sooner.


Could'nt agree more. I was hoping they would've cashed in on Yao when they had the chance I was never a fan.

c.c.
12-09-2012, 04:08 AM
I honestly would of fired Kevin Mchale before shipping off Kyle Lowry. Him and Harden would of been great together but without that Raptors pick, the Rockets wouldn't of never got Harden so.............

alexander_37
12-09-2012, 09:11 AM
What the Rockets did is they handed the keys to the Benz to Jeremy then took it back and gave it to Harden. Before Hardin, Lin was in a perfect system where he would run thing's and be the primary playmaker. Now he's just a role player, a spot up shooter. They should have went with Dragic like McHale initially wanted.

They didn't bring in any vets to help Lin like the Knicks did with Kidd, they basically threw him under the fire to fend for himself just to cash in on his market and hoped he performed well like he did in NY.

I'm still rooting for the kid, hopefully he comes around.

How do you spell Harden correctly the literally 2 words later spell it incorrectly....

Secondly they brought in Harden .. so you kind of contradicted yourself. Harden may not be a point guard but he is an excellent primary handler and passer. Douglas has also improved a hundred fold in the last 2-3 weeks.

Greedy22
12-09-2012, 09:45 AM
Lin starting 25 games was enough to earn $25 mil. Y not judge him now?

Joe Johnson wasn't a free agent.

You can't fault Lin for being offered that deal, Houston was extremely desperate at the time. It's still early and he's in his first full season as a starter, this talk is quite premature.

Joe Johnson was a free agent when he signed his albatross of a contrract and it's even worse that Brooklyn was willing to take it on.

Dankster
12-09-2012, 10:43 AM
Dankster the voice of reason, your post is spot on I've been saying the same thing. Lin doesn't fit in with this Rocket team it's obvious. He's not a spot up shooter I have no doubt that he would be better with us under Kidd and Woodson running the point.

Thanks blitzace, ditto man. I always enjoy reading your posts on the Knick forum. You know the deal with him, he has such a huge bullseye on his back and basketball fans are pretty relentless with him.

I have no doubt either bud that he would be thriving in our system with all our veterans. He would gain so much confidence from our guys, especially Kidd who could've really helped hone his PG skills. The ball movement on our team is sublime, and Lin would've fit in pretty dam good especially with his drive and kickout capabilities.

Anyway we got Felton at least, and he's doing great so none of us can complain. But any Knick fan knows how special his time last year at the Garden was, and he's gonna always be considered a special person to Knick fans.

I still don't think what he did last year was THAT flukish. He's a very aggressive player going into the paint, so I always thought he could be a scorer in this league. BUt to me I knew the kid was the real deal from those double digit assist games he was putting up regularly last year--- just showed the kind of court vision and passing abilities the kid has.

He's not an All Star, but he's definitely not a scrub as some people make him out to be. I think his major issue right now is his inefficiency scoring the ball. If he can figure out how to fix his shooting woes and bring his FG% up to a more respectable # (at least 41%,) he should be fine.

I mean the guy is being called a scrub for averaging over 10 ppg, 6 apg and 4 rpg. I'll be rooting for the kid.

nycericanguy
12-09-2012, 10:55 AM
Lin is just going on a half-seasons worth of NBA experience. Also, having Lowry meant no Harden.

Lin is younger than both Lowry and Dragic who have way more experience.

Lowry and Dragic with the Rockets was good enough for the 14th pick year after year.

Rockets went younger and finally on a rebuilding phase which they should have done way sooner.

I think this is just something HOU fans say to justify it or make themselves feel better... Just like saying Lowry didn't like Mchale. I mean Mchale is not some hall of fame coach that you have to please. He's pretty average at best, you don't trade away a 25 year PG making just $5m to appease an average coach. Also Lowry was upset at not starting, I'm pretty sure if he was the starting PG things could have been smoothed out, players and coaches have rifts.

HOU was after Harden hard according to OKC, they were the first team they called according to OKC. They have plenty of assets, you can't tell me that 1 pick would have been a deal breaker. Maybe HOU needs to include Patterson or Donetas instead, but i'm pretty sure Harden would still be attainable.

Quinnsanity
12-09-2012, 11:10 AM
Joe Smith says hello.

xxfresh
12-09-2012, 11:43 AM
I think this is just something HOU fans say to justify it or make themselves feel better... Just like saying Lowry didn't like Mchale. I mean Mchale is not some hall of fame coach that you have to please. He's pretty average at best, you don't trade away a 25 year PG making just $5m to appease an average coach. Also Lowry was upset at not starting, I'm pretty sure if he was the starting PG things could have been smoothed out, players and coaches have rifts.

HOU was after Harden hard according to OKC, they were the first team they called according to OKC. They have plenty of assets, you can't tell me that 1 pick would have been a deal breaker. Maybe HOU needs to include Patterson or Donetas instead, but i'm pretty sure Harden would still be attainable.


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7974223/houston-rockets-kyle-lowry-issue-kevin-mchale-coach

"The Rockets guard told the Houston Chronicle on Friday that he does not think he and Goran Dragic will both return next season. And he is especially unlikely to play for Houston if Kevin McHale returns as coach. "

It was Lowry's decision,we were basically between a rock and a hard place.

6cadi6
12-09-2012, 11:51 AM
All time? Wow. What a reach. Good job. :facepalm:

DJiC
12-09-2012, 11:53 AM
how bout hibbert this year...max contract and avg less than 10 points and less than 10 reb....then theres mcgee whose getting 10 mil a year and playing less than 20 min a game...theres way worse contracts out there so i wouldnt be too hard on this kid...its his first time coming into a season as a starter and it always takes time to adjust especially if you adjusted with a guy and then he gets shipped to OKC for another guy a few days prior to the season....give the rockets and lin time im sure he'll adjust just fine

lkingratedr
12-09-2012, 11:56 AM
So the Knicks just called and said calm down we still hold the worst contract for a free agent with the Jerome James 60 million

DreamShaker
12-09-2012, 11:57 AM
Joe Smith says hello.

And Jerome James. And Rashard Lewis. And oh so many more

DreamShaker
12-09-2012, 11:58 AM
So the Knicks just called and said calm down we still hold the worst contract for a free agent with the Jerome James 60 million

For real. That was horrible.

nycericanguy
12-09-2012, 12:00 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7974223/houston-rockets-kyle-lowry-issue-kevin-mchale-coach

"The Rockets guard told the Houston Chronicle on Friday that he does not think he and Goran Dragic will both return next season. And he is especially unlikely to play for Houston if Kevin McHale returns as coach. "

It was Lowry's decision,we were basically between a rock and a hard place.

its a rift, it happens, and thats an old article, obviously HOU was not going to sign BOTH. Tell Lowry, "you're our starter"... and I'm sure things could have been ironed out.

But at the end of the day, if it came down to it do you really choose an average coach over the franchise PG?

nycericanguy
12-09-2012, 12:01 PM
For real. That was horrible.

it was a horrible deal, but James didn't get anywhere near $60m... it was $35m over 5 years.

rhymeratic
12-09-2012, 12:23 PM
You're only 16 games into this deal. He might take a step forward in a year. Goran Dragic took time to get better. Same with Lowry. Toney Douglas has been in the league longer and he was recovering from shoulder surgery. Looks like he has found his shooting touch again. If that's the case, you have a borderline starter in Toney Douglas which is a good thing. When he's on he can be really good.

As far as Jeremy Lin... he's coming of surgery and he's not been given a license to run the show through him. It's run through Harden. I stand by my theory that at BEST he'll put up a stat line similar to Mike Conley/ Jrue Holiday. He's a nice 3rd option if he can be more consistent.

heyman321
12-09-2012, 02:05 PM
You're only 16 games into this deal. He might take a step forward in a year. Goran Dragic took time to get better. Same with Lowry. Toney Douglas has been in the league longer and he was recovering from shoulder surgery. Looks like he has found his shooting touch again. If that's the case, you have a borderline starter in Toney Douglas which is a good thing. When he's on he can be really good.

As far as Jeremy Lin... he's coming of surgery and he's not been given a license to run the show through him. It's run through Harden. I stand by my theory that at BEST he'll put up a stat line similar to Mike Conley/ Jrue Holiday. He's a nice 3rd option if he can be more consistent.

the problem is he's not being used as a ballhandler because they have harden, so really all his talent is being wasted as a spot up shooter. but the problem is also that Harden is much better at ballhandling.

Blitzace137
12-09-2012, 03:32 PM
How do you spell Harden correctly the literally 2 words later spell it incorrectly....

Secondly they brought in Harden .. so you kind of contradicted yourself. Harden may not be a point guard but he is an excellent primary handler and passer. Douglas has also improved a hundred fold in the last 2-3 weeks.

Same way you spelled the instead of then incorrectly lol.

As for Douglas I know how he plays, I've seen him at his best and worst, Douglas is a catch and shoot guy. That's when he was at his best here in NY, he's back in that role in Houston that's why he's thriving.

Harden is a great player I'm not questioning that acquisition. What I'm saying is I've seen the type of system Lin needs to play his best and it's not in this current Rocket system. He's just a spot up shooter for you guy's that's just not his game.

Blitzace137
12-09-2012, 03:38 PM
the problem is he's not being used as a ballhandler because they have harden, so really all his talent is being wasted as a spot up shooter. but the problem is also that Harden is much better at ballhandling.

exactly you understand the point I'm trying to make. Lin is a bad fit for this team. Lin's a attacker/slasher not Ray Allen also agree on the Harden point you made

lol, please
12-09-2012, 04:17 PM
Wait...what happened to Linsanity? :confused:

rurichie
12-09-2012, 04:29 PM
Landry Fields??

SouthSideRookie
12-09-2012, 09:25 PM
I think this is just something HOU fans say to justify it or make themselves feel better... Just like saying Lowry didn't like Mchale. I mean Mchale is not some hall of fame coach that you have to please. He's pretty average at best, you don't trade away a 25 year PG making just $5m to appease an average coach. Also Lowry was upset at not starting, I'm pretty sure if he was the starting PG things could have been smoothed out, players and coaches have rifts.

HOU was after Harden hard according to OKC, they were the first team they called according to OKC. They have plenty of assets, you can't tell me that 1 pick would have been a deal breaker. Maybe HOU needs to include Patterson or Donetas instead, but i'm pretty sure Harden would still be attainable.

Well apparently the Toronto pick was a key chip in the Howard negotiations. The exact day Orlando re-signed Nelson, hours later Morey traded Lowry to the Raptors for the pick.

Also the Rockets made numerous attempts in moving up as high as possible in the lottery on draft night but failed to do so, Kyle was being dangled in those efforts.

To me it's clear Houston had their minds made up in accumulating as many assets in the form of draft picks and young talent in order to acquire a star player which in the end they did. Kyle Lowry was really the only player in Houston's roster that could net such pick.

AIRMAR72
12-09-2012, 10:20 PM
yes! Lin was extreamly over rated last season.

imagine houston with harden and lowry :drool:

I agree if lowry was playing with harden,harden stats be better too, lin is simply a bench player who is overrated and overpay

alexander_37
12-10-2012, 12:49 AM
Same way you spelled the instead of then incorrectly lol.

As for Douglas I know how he plays, I've seen him at his best and worst, Douglas is a catch and shoot guy. That's when he was at his best here in NY, he's back in that role in Houston that's why he's thriving.

Harden is a great player I'm not questioning that acquisition. What I'm saying is I've seen the type of system Lin needs to play his best and it's not in this current Rocket system. He's just a spot up shooter for you guy's that's just not his game.

There is a difference between missing an n, and switching e with i.

Mchale said he kept Douglas in because he was pushing the pace better.

KniCks4LiFe
12-10-2012, 01:46 AM
Wait...what happened to Linsanity? :confused:

they are trying to make him Miller Time and it's exploding in their face. Like I would on my girl.


I agree if lowry was playing with harden,harden stats be better too, lin is simply a bench player who is overrated and overpay

not playing that type of ball. Do you realize they playing the PG position as a screen and shoot position over there? they don't run enough pick n'roll, they don't play a post game, their offense is one screen for the PG, passes it to the wing, then camps on the 3 pt. line. I've seen their games. Lowry isn't playing that system in Toronto.

sagemania
12-10-2012, 06:08 AM
Wait...what happened to Linsanity? :confused:

Sameway Raymond Sessions and Fli Murrays hype went. Down the toilet because it was a fluke

The Bard
12-10-2012, 07:28 AM
Smartest Contract, you know who is the NBA team to watch in Asia?

todu82
12-10-2012, 11:15 AM
Indeed it was. The guy was good for all of 2-3 weeks last year and that was it.

alexander_37
12-10-2012, 11:00 PM
Lin's ripping the Spurs for 31 9-15...

jam
12-10-2012, 11:06 PM
32 pts; 4-5 from 3. 6 pts from a career high.

Can HOU find a coach who can exploit the talents of both Lin and Harden?

justinnum1
12-10-2012, 11:13 PM
lin needs the star of the team to be sitting for him to have a very good game

jam
12-10-2012, 11:24 PM
I've never seen this in NBA history. You had two starting PGs on your roster, let them both walk so you could overpay a guy that doesn't seem like he belongs on a basketball court.

Goran Dragic signed a 4 year 30 million dollar deal.

Kyle Lowry had 2 years 12 million left on his deal.

Jeremy Lin signed a 3 year 25 million dollar deal.

Dragic: 15.4/3/6.5

Lowry: 18.3/5.7/6.0

Lin: 10.5/4.2/6.2 38.6%

Other bad moves can at least be explained, trying to fill a need, trying to win now, weak market, trade demands, team chemistry, trying to shed salary, trying to rebuild. None of which explains the Lin signing.


34 pts, 7 assists, 2 stls, 2 blks, and the game's not even over yet.

Kuya_Clive
12-10-2012, 11:39 PM
Complete silence from the haters.

Too busy sucking their own (and each other's) dicks in commiseration.

You still gotta admit he's been having a bad year so far.

D-Leethal
12-10-2012, 11:40 PM
Complete silence from the haters.

Too busy sucking their own (and each other's) dicks in commiseration.

That was a good shot he had to end regulation.

Speaking of silent haters, you've been MIA from the Knicks forum. I wonder why?

Kuya_Clive
12-10-2012, 11:43 PM
It's too small a sample size. :p

True

jam
12-10-2012, 11:44 PM
That was a good shot he had to end regulation.

Speaking of silent haters, you've been MIA from the Knicks forum. I wonder why?

Lin was completely gassed.

You miss me that much, huh? :p

KnickFanSince91
12-11-2012, 12:32 AM
They still lost because of two horrid turnover's by Lin in crunch time and his team has a losing record.

Kashmir13579
12-11-2012, 12:36 AM
So he finally had a good game? 'Bout freaking time.

Anji
12-11-2012, 01:01 AM
Well, guess he played his great game for the month, see in 2013 Lin.:rolleyes:

greg_ory_2005
12-11-2012, 01:04 AM
Linsanity is back!

PlezPlayDKnicks
12-11-2012, 01:09 AM
Well, guess he played his great game for the month, see in 2013 Lin.:rolleyes:

He's had a few stinkers and a few good games. He was the first option tonight and performed well. Guess you have to hate on him. Since I love Felton , I have to hate Lin syndrome lol

seikou8
12-11-2012, 01:12 AM
first great game in a while

IndiansFan337
12-11-2012, 01:12 AM
It is a bad contract basketball-wise, but definitely not the dumbest ever. He will still make them money.

PlezPlayDKnicks
12-11-2012, 01:56 AM
Knicks fans seek validation wishing some1 who played his heart out for their team to fail in another uniform. It's shameful. Half y'all was screaming in ur seats for those two weeks. And even if ur happy with Felton. What if Jkidd tutored this kid the same way Felton is getting now. I never liked Felton but I won't wish him to fail in our uniform either. And the Knicks fans pointing out 2 turnovers act like our pg doesn't do the same sometimes in clutch moments. Jkidd has been the calming influence on the floor. Attack me if you want but I call you a hypocrite after 84 games as a pro your bashing this kid. Tony Parker himself says he on pace with his numbers as a youngster. Psd scouts

SouthSideRookie
12-11-2012, 01:59 AM
I missed the game to watch the debacle in New England:facepalm:

Blitzace137
12-11-2012, 02:23 AM
He's had a few stinkers and a few good games. He was the first option tonight and performed well. Guess you have to hate on him. Since I love Felton , I have to hate Lin syndrome lol

Anji's just not a fan lol,

Blitzace137
12-11-2012, 02:26 AM
Knicks fans seek validation wishing some1 who played his heart out for their team to fail in another uniform. It's shameful. Half y'all was screaming in ur seats for those two weeks. And even if ur happy with Felton. What if Jkidd tutored this kid the same way Felton is getting now. I never liked Felton but I won't wish him to fail in our uniform either. And the Knicks fans pointing out 2 turnovers act like our pg doesn't do the same sometimes in clutch moments. Jkidd has been the calming influence on the floor. Attack me if you want but I call you a hypocrite after 84 games as a pro your bashing this kid. Tony Parker himself says he on pace with his numbers as a youngster. Psd scouts

preach brother. I'll listen to Toney Parker or Magic over PSD fans

FeltonYaMotha
12-11-2012, 03:35 AM
I think the fact that Lowry had two years left on his deal makes it one of the dumbest financial moves in NBA history, but he has talent. He wasn't a good fit for New York though. He needs to be on a team where he can be the focal point and New York wasn't the place for that. Wish him all the luck in the world but I'm glad he's gone.

jam
12-11-2012, 03:36 AM
Oscar Robertson would average 12 pts a game playing for mchale.

heyman321
12-11-2012, 03:36 AM
Knicks fans seek validation wishing some1 who played his heart out for their team to fail in another uniform. It's shameful. Half y'all was screaming in ur seats for those two weeks. And even if ur happy with Felton. What if Jkidd tutored this kid the same way Felton is getting now. I never liked Felton but I won't wish him to fail in our uniform either. And the Knicks fans pointing out 2 turnovers act like our pg doesn't do the same sometimes in clutch moments. Jkidd has been the calming influence on the floor. Attack me if you want but I call you a hypocrite after 84 games as a pro your bashing this kid. Tony Parker himself says he on pace with his numbers as a youngster. Psd scouts

Seriously, I don't get why Knicks fans are so hateful. The unreasonable Knicks fans only do this because they feel redeemed by the fact felton is playing so good, otherwise they wouldn't say a word.

noodle
12-11-2012, 03:48 AM
Good for him! I miss him on the Knicks, but he's the one dude I hope kills it.

jason17
12-11-2012, 04:01 AM
this is rediculous. WORST SIGNING OF ALL TIME?

he's averaging 11/ 6/ 4 with 2 steals a game...for 8 mil a year.

thats not the WORST of ALL TIME. cmon. is he underperforming? sure. but he's 24 and is coming back from an injury.

how about gilbert for 120 mil? or rashard lewis for a max contract.

id say nene is a worse contract right now too, hes getting a max contract and hes pulling in just over 4 rebounds a game

Sadly the wizards are the skins FO because all those 3 players we had or one of them still is on the team.

Lin not bad problem is the media hyped it up so much that hes bad or something.

NYYCowboys
12-11-2012, 04:43 AM
Jerome James comes to mind. Def worse than Lin.

jam
12-11-2012, 04:45 AM
"Jeremy Lin's contract is ridiculous."

Signed,

Rashard (not Rashad....Rashard) Lewis

albertajaysfan
12-11-2012, 04:50 AM
Charlie V signing<

I see your Charlie V signing and raise you one Landry Fields with a side of Andrea Bargnani.

cbs9889
12-11-2012, 04:51 AM
[QUOTE=SteveNash;24627787]Lin starting 25 games was enough to earn $25 mil. Y not judge him now?

this

Baller1
12-11-2012, 04:52 AM
I see your Charlie V signing and raise you one Landry Fields with a side of Andrea Bargnani.

Poor Toronto... Damn, haha.

heyman321
12-11-2012, 05:02 AM
I see your Charlie V signing and raise you one Landry Fields with a side of Andrea Bargnani.

Should have went all in :

Drafting 50 PFs, also signing Aaron Gray to a $10 mil contract for having averaged 3 mins the past year, and signing Kleiza to 4 years $20 mil for doing nothing.

albertajaysfan
12-11-2012, 05:05 AM
Should have went all in :

Drafting 50 PFs, also signing Aaron Gray to a $10 mil contract for having averaged 3 mins the past year, and signing Kleiza to 4 years $20 mil for doing nothing.

lol touche my friend

albertajaysfan
12-11-2012, 05:08 AM
Poor Toronto... Damn, haha.

It truly is amazing the loyalty of Toronto sports fans. We have the Raptors and the Leafs in the same city. No city deserves that kind of FO ineptitude.

There is a reason Toronto sports fans worship Anthopolous. He seems to have a plan and isn't full of BS ala Colangelo and Burke.

albertajaysfan
12-11-2012, 05:09 AM
Should have went all in :

Drafting 50 PFs, also signing Aaron Gray to a $10 mil contract for having averaged 3 mins the past year, and signing Kleiza to 4 years $20 mil for doing nothing.

Don't worry we have two second round picks for next year so we can get two more PFs to play with Acy on our D-league team.

KnickFanSince91
12-11-2012, 08:45 AM
Knicks fans seek validation wishing some1 who played his heart out for their team to fail in another uniform. It's shameful. Half y'all was screaming in ur seats for those two weeks. And even if ur happy with Felton. What if Jkidd tutored this kid the same way Felton is getting now. I never liked Felton but I won't wish him to fail in our uniform either. And the Knicks fans pointing out 2 turnovers act like our pg doesn't do the same sometimes in clutch moments. Jkidd has been the calming influence on the floor. Attack me if you want but I call you a hypocrite after 84 games as a pro your bashing this kid. Tony Parker himself says he on pace with his numbers as a youngster. Psd scouts

Maybe because people put on the cape for this kid like he's basketball jesus when he's the Tebow of the NBA --above average player that's out of position who hasn't paid dues but his fans want to put in the hall of fame and will crucify you if you don't agree.

Linsanity was almost a year ago and the body of work since then indicates he's just an average guy who hasn't made a big bucket when it counts since February. There's no hate...it is what it is. Harden is out, Lin scores big and they lose to to SA because he didn't make the plays when it counted. Melo is out, Felton scores big and the Knicks trounce Miami because he made the plays to stop any momentum they had. There's no need in comparing a kid with 50 starts to an 8 year pro.

mightybosstone
12-11-2012, 10:55 AM
Maybe because people put on the cape for this kid like he's basketball jesus when he's the Tebow of the NBA --above average player that's out of position who hasn't paid dues but his fans want to put in the hall of fame and will crucify you if you don't agree.

Linsanity was almost a year ago and the body of work since then indicates he's just an average guy who hasn't made a big bucket when it counts since February. There's no hate...it is what it is. Harden is out, Lin scores big and they lose to to SA because he didn't make the plays when it counted. Melo is out, Felton scores big and the Knicks trounce Miami because he made the plays to stop any momentum they had. There's no need in comparing a kid with 50 starts to an 8 year pro.
I'll actually buy this as one of the most reasonable Lin arguments I've seen from a Knicks fan since he came to the Rockets. He is NOT basketball jesus and people DO give him way too much credit for such a small sample size. That being said, he also receives far too much criticism. It's clear to me that he's an inconsistent player with an occasionally explosive game and a high ceiling if he could learn to work with the system he's in.

And you're right, the kid isn't an 8-year pro, so people should stop treating him like he is and criticize him for every poor performance. People will say that last night's game was an anomaly, but he has played plenty of very solid games this year that no one has paid any attention to. As for a few mistakes at the end of the game, I would argue that those are the kind of mistakes that young players make. Green made a great defensive play to prevent him from getting up a shot at the end of regulation, but he should have made a move to the basket sooner.

Still, you can't argue that if it wasn't for Lin, the Rockets would not have been in that game in the first place. And regardless of whether or not he's worth this contract, he clearly has a lot of talent. The Rockets need to just find a way to harness it with both he and Harden on the floor.

PlezPlayDKnicks
12-11-2012, 11:17 AM
I'll actually buy this as one of the most reasonable Lin arguments I've seen from a Knicks fan since he came to the Rockets. He is NOT basketball jesus and people DO give him way too much credit for such a small sample size. That being said, he also receives far too much criticism. It's clear to me that he's an inconsistent player with an occasionally explosive game and a high ceiling if he could learn to work with the system he's in.

And you're right, the kid isn't an 8-year pro, so people should stop treating him like he is and criticize him for every poor performance. People will say that last night's game was an anomaly, but he has played plenty of very solid games this year that no one has paid any attention to. As for a few mistakes at the end of the game, I would argue that those are the kind of mistakes that young players make. Green made a great defensive play to prevent him from getting up a shot at the end of regulation, but he should have made a move to the basket sooner.

Still, you can't argue that if it wasn't for Lin, the Rockets would not have been in that game in the first place. And regardless of whether or not he's worth this contract, he clearly has a lot of talent. The Rockets need to just find a way to harness it with both he and Harden on the floor.

This. Exactly. Saved me the trouble lol

I Rock Shaqs
12-11-2012, 11:23 AM
yes

DitchDat
12-11-2012, 11:33 AM
Charlie Villanueva?

Kashmir13579
12-11-2012, 11:35 AM
Lin is my favorite player in the NBA. :)

brewboy288
12-11-2012, 11:52 AM
Hes a court general. Hes becoming a team leader. Hes not putting up the best stats, but hes good at being a team general.

KnickFanSince91
12-11-2012, 12:00 PM
I'll actually buy this as one of the most reasonable Lin arguments I've seen from a Knicks fan since he came to the Rockets. He is NOT basketball jesus and people DO give him way too much credit for such a small sample size. That being said, he also receives far too much criticism. It's clear to me that he's an inconsistent player with an occasionally explosive game and a high ceiling if he could learn to work with the system he's in.

And you're right, the kid isn't an 8-year pro, so people should stop treating him like he is and criticize him for every poor performance. People will say that last night's game was an anomaly, but he has played plenty of very solid games this year that no one has paid any attention to. As for a few mistakes at the end of the game, I would argue that those are the kind of mistakes that young players make. Green made a great defensive play to prevent him from getting up a shot at the end of regulation, but he should have made a move to the basket sooner.

Still, you can't argue that if it wasn't for Lin, the Rockets would not have been in that game in the first place. And regardless of whether or not he's worth this contract, he clearly has a lot of talent. The Rockets need to just find a way to harness it with both he and Harden on the floor.

Word. The extremists on both sides get annoying. I've been on record as clearly not a fan of his game but I'll concede there is some upside if he can get it together. The problem with him and Harden is there's only one basketball and Harden is flat out better with it in his hands. Lin is going to have to improve his jumpshot and move better off the ball before he has any consistent success.

mightybosstone
12-11-2012, 12:12 PM
Word. The extremists on both sides get annoying. I've been on record as clearly not a fan of his game but I'll concede there is some upside if he can get it together. The problem with him and Harden is there's only one basketball and Harden is flat out better with it in his hands. Lin is going to have to improve his jumpshot and move better off the ball before he has any consistent success.

Agreed. As a Rockets fan, I've tried to temper my expectations of Lin this season and have been critical of him at times. But I was still on my feet screaming and throwing fist pumps last night when he was killing it. He and Harden are so young and there is so much talent there that I don't see why they can't coexist. Once Lin learns to be a better spot shooter and Harden is willing to give up the ball every once in a while to let Lin run the offense, that could be one of the best backcourts in basketball.

NYJ - NYY
12-11-2012, 12:20 PM
Agreed. As a Rockets fan, I've tried to temper my expectations of Lin this season and have been critical of him at times. But I was still on my feet screaming and throwing fist pumps last night when he was killing it. He and Harden are so young and there is so much talent there that I don't see why they can't coexist. Once Lin learns to be a better spot shooter and Harden is willing to give up the ball every once in a while to let Lin run the offense, that could be one of the backcourts in basketball.

i agree deff one of the backcourts in basketball

SLY WILLIAMS
12-11-2012, 12:21 PM
I think a lot of people want to close the book on this kid way too early. He was still basically a rookie coming in to this season in terms of games played. He was coming off a significant knee injury. He is adjusting to a new team and coach. He is putting up 11ppg-6ap-4rpg-2spg despite a horrible start. Even his shooting percentages are rising. I'm rooting for the kid because I like him. People could even make a debate that without J Lin's 25 games as a starter last season the Knicks may have struggled to make the playoffs.

KnickFanSince91
12-11-2012, 12:23 PM
I think a lot of people want to close the book on this kid way too early. He was still basically a rookie coming in to this season in terms of games played. He was coming off a significant knee injury. He is adjusting to a new team and coach. He is putting up 11ppg-6ap-4rpg-2spg despite a horrible start. Even his shooting percentages are rising. I'm rooting for the kid because I like him. People could even make a debate that without J Lin's 25 games as a starter last season the Knicks may have struggled to make the playoffs.

I'll debate you that if he didn't explode in that Nets game, D'Antoni would've been fired 15 games sooner and we would've made the playoffs as a higher seed :)

mightybosstone
12-11-2012, 12:27 PM
i agree deff one of the backcourts in basketball

Wow. I'm one of the biggest grammar Nazis on this site, but I make one typo and get **** for it from a guy who can't even formulate a single sentence correctly to insult me. You stay classy pal.

NYJ - NYY
12-11-2012, 12:46 PM
Wow. I'm one of the biggest grammar Nazis on this site, but I make one typo and get **** for it from a guy who can't even formulate a single sentence correctly to insult me. You stay classy pal.

i was really joking - didnt think you'd go all crazy jeeze layoff psd for a while if something like that really gets you mad...meant nothing by it just a simple lol...

PlezPlayDKnicks
12-11-2012, 01:04 PM
I'll debate you that if he didn't explode in that Nets game, D'Antoni would've been fired 15 games sooner and we would've made the playoffs as a higher seed :)

If Dantoni never gave him a shot Mike Woodson wouldve probably started bibby so we cant be too sure:)

torocan
12-11-2012, 01:07 PM
If Dantoni never gave him a shot Mike Woodson wouldve probably started bibby so we cant be too sure:)

Lol... true. We only had Toney Douglas. Davis and Bibby were injured.

Would Woodson have done THAT much better over those 10 games with only Toney Douglas for the point guard? Put the ball in Iman Shumpert's hands?

It gives me nightmares just to contemplate it...

Blitzace137
12-11-2012, 02:02 PM
I'll debate you that if he didn't explode in that Nets game, D'Antoni would've been fired 15 games sooner and we would've made the playoffs as a higher seed :)

So your telling me we would have been a higher seed with D'antoni gone, Amare out because of his brothers death and Melo injured?

Blitzace137
12-11-2012, 02:03 PM
If Dantoni never gave him a shot Mike Woodson wouldve probably started bibby so we cant be too sure:)

exactly Woodson loves his vets and Bibby already played for him before in Atlanta. There would be no Lin he probably would have been cut.

KnickFanSince91
12-11-2012, 02:06 PM
Lol... true. We only had Toney Douglas. Davis and Bibby were injured.

Would Woodson have done THAT much better over those 10 games with only Toney Douglas for the point guard? Put the ball in Iman Shumpert's hands?

It gives me nightmares just to contemplate it...



If Dantoni never gave him a shot Mike Woodson wouldve probably started bibby so we cant be too sure:)

Based on what I've seen from Woody, I have full confidence he would've played the best PG available. If Lin was styling on everybody in practice like they said he was, I'm sure he would've put him in the game.


So your telling me we would have been a higher seed with D'antoni gone, Amare out because of his brothers death and Melo injured?

Yes. Exactly.

Blitzace137
12-11-2012, 02:10 PM
Based on what I've seen from Woody, I have full confidence he would've played the best PG available. If Lin was styling on everybody in practice like they said he was, I'm sure he would've put him in the game.



Yes. Exactly.

not sure because Copeland had a good first half against the Suns this season and he didn't even get any burn in the second half. Woodson is old school he rarely plays rookies. The chances that Lin would play is slim. Maybe if Woody's hands were forced but still I would say very slim chance Lin would play.

SLY WILLIAMS
12-11-2012, 02:18 PM
Based on what I've seen from Woody, I have full confidence he would've played the best PG available. If Lin was styling on everybody in practice like they said he was, I'm sure he would've put him in the game.


You cant have it both ways. I said
People could even make a debate that without J Lin's 25 games as a starter last season the Knicks may have struggled to make the playoffs.

You cant have it both ways. Without Lin means without Lin. Not with Lin and Woodson.

KnickFanSince91
12-11-2012, 02:18 PM
not sure because Copeland had a good first half against the Suns this season and he didn't even get any burn in the second half. Woodson is old school he rarely plays rookies. The chances that Lin would play is slim. Maybe if Woody's hands were forced but still I would say very slim chance Lin would play.

But he will play the best guy available, regardless if he's a rookie or not. He kept Shump on the floor as much as possible last year and with the way TD and Bibby were playing, Lin would have gotten a shot.

As far as the game with Cope...I believe he went to the smaller lineup in the 2nd half and stayed with it since it worked.

KnickFanSince91
12-11-2012, 02:21 PM
You cant have it both ways. I said

You cant have it both ways. Without Lin means without Lin. Not with Lin and Woodson.

My fault, sir. Another 25 games with TD's dismal PG play would've tanked us. It's all hypothetical but I think Shump running the point full time down the stretch would've have given us the same amount of wins in those 25 wins as Lin did.

SLY WILLIAMS
12-11-2012, 02:33 PM
My fault, sir. Another 25 games with TD's dismal PG play would've tanked us. It's all hypothetical but I think Shump running the point full time down the stretch would've have given us the same amount of wins in those 25 wins as Lin did.

You had me getting dizzy there for a second :)

You are right. It is all hypothetical. I can not say what would have been down the stretch with a full team but would Shrump's have been able to quarterback the same depleted lineup the way J Lin did? I remember those games against Dirk and Kobe. That was like catching lightning in a bottle. :)

heyman321
12-11-2012, 02:37 PM
But he will play the best guy available, regardless if he's a rookie or not. He kept Shump on the floor as much as possible last year and with the way TD and Bibby were playing, Lin would have gotten a shot.

As far as the game with Cope...I believe he went to the smaller lineup in the 2nd half and stayed with it since it worked.

No he wouldn't, believe it or not there will still be a stigma that because he's Asian he can't play, Lin was put in as an ABSOLUTE last resort by Dantoni cause everyone else was injured or sucking.

blahblahyoutoo
12-11-2012, 02:47 PM
Knicks fans seek validation wishing some1 who played his heart out for their team to fail in another uniform. It's shameful. Half y'all was screaming in ur seats for those two weeks. And even if ur happy with Felton. What if Jkidd tutored this kid the same way Felton is getting now. I never liked Felton but I won't wish him to fail in our uniform either. And the Knicks fans pointing out 2 turnovers act like our pg doesn't do the same sometimes in clutch moments. Jkidd has been the calming influence on the floor. Attack me if you want but I call you a hypocrite after 84 games as a pro your bashing this kid. Tony Parker himself says he on pace with his numbers as a youngster. Psd scouts

levelheaded knicks fan. a rarity around these parts.
:clap:

roshan3ai
12-11-2012, 02:55 PM
Knicks fans seek validation wishing some1 who played his heart out for their team to fail in another uniform. It's shameful. Half y'all was screaming in ur seats for those two weeks. And even if ur happy with Felton. What if Jkidd tutored this kid the same way Felton is getting now. I never liked Felton but I won't wish him to fail in our uniform either. And the Knicks fans pointing out 2 turnovers act like our pg doesn't do the same sometimes in clutch moments. Jkidd has been the calming influence on the floor. Attack me if you want but I call you a hypocrite after 84 games as a pro your bashing this kid. Tony Parker himself says he on pace with his numbers as a youngster. Psd scouts

Great post. I feel the same way as you do my friend.

D-Leethal
12-11-2012, 03:38 PM
He's had a few stinkers and a few good games. He was the first option tonight and performed well. Guess you have to hate on him. Since I love Felton , I have to hate Lin syndrome lol

With all due respect my dude, please don't act like it doesn't go both ways and Felton isn't the same target from all the Lin fans. Facts are facts, Felton has been way better than Lin this year. Lin has regressed and is nowhere near where most, including myself, thought he would be this season. He plays shook out there.


Knicks fans seek validation wishing some1 who played his heart out for their team to fail in another uniform. It's shameful. Half y'all was screaming in ur seats for those two weeks. And even if ur happy with Felton. What if Jkidd tutored this kid the same way Felton is getting now. I never liked Felton but I won't wish him to fail in our uniform either. And the Knicks fans pointing out 2 turnovers act like our pg doesn't do the same sometimes in clutch moments. Jkidd has been the calming influence on the floor. Attack me if you want but I call you a hypocrite after 84 games as a pro your bashing this kid. Tony Parker himself says he on pace with his numbers as a youngster. Psd scouts

You used to be one of the best posters in our forum but I have to ask: Are you a Knicks fan or a Lin fan? Have you stopped being a Knicks fan over this ****ing kid? I haven't seen you post anything in months over there, yet your all over every Jeremy Lin thread in this forum. :confused:

I loved every second of Linsanity, doesn't mean I have to be a Lin apologist and make excuses for every sub par game, which is a lot, hes had this season. I can acknowledge Felton is flat out better right now and plays with a style thats way better for our team.

You are acting like Knicks fans come in here and post everytime the kid has a crappy game. Its simply not true. Especially considering crappy games have been the norm for him this season. We are too busy posting about our first place team than to worry about a 10-6 PG out West who rarely ever finishes games anymore.

Do you really expect Knicks fans to give him every excuse in the book as to why he sucks this year instead of just acknowledging he sucks this year?

alexander_37
12-11-2012, 03:54 PM
They still lost because of two horrid turnover's by Lin in crunch time and his team has a losing record.

No they lost because of 2 stupid contested layups by Parsons and a shitt Delfino turnover. Did you even watch?

DitchDat
12-11-2012, 04:25 PM
Landry.Fields.

KnickFanSince91
12-11-2012, 04:39 PM
No they lost because of 2 stupid contested layups by Parsons and a shitt Delfino turnover. Did you even watch?

Yup. Was in a sports bar watching MNF and they had some NBA games on as well. I didn't even wanna be too hard on the kid for the 2 or 3 times he missed the go ahead bucket.

PlezPlayDKnicks
12-11-2012, 05:26 PM
With all due respect my dude, please don't act like it doesn't go both ways and Felton isn't the same target from all the Lin fans. Facts are facts, Felton has been way better than Lin this year. Lin has regressed and is nowhere near where most, including myself, thought he would be this season. He plays shook out there.



You used to be one of the best posters in our forum but I have to ask: Are you a Knicks fan or a Lin fan? Have you stopped being a Knicks fan over this ****ing kid? I haven't seen you post anything in months over there, yet your all over every Jeremy Lin thread in this forum. :confused:

I loved every second of Linsanity, doesn't mean I have to be a Lin apologist and make excuses for every sub par game, which is a lot, hes had this season. I can acknowledge Felton is flat out better right now and plays with a style thats way better for our team.

You are acting like Knicks fans come in here and post everytime the kid has a crappy game. Its simply not true. Especially considering crappy games have been the norm for him this season. We are too busy posting about our first place team than to worry about a 10-6 PG out West who rarely ever finishes games anymore.

Do you really expect Knicks fans to give him every excuse in the book as to why he sucks this year instead of just acknowledging he sucks this year?


Dee you need to look closer then. Our forum has become a blatant homerism / bash thread if you disagree with anything the consensus has to say. I'm loving the winning streak and Felton is playing really well within our group of vets. If Felton was in Houston would he have the same level of success without Kidd , Melo, and Chandler to lean on. Felton is doing a great job but I won't bash Lin as most do now to validate Felton. I accept it for what it is. I'm actually happy for both sides. People have ignored all logic to bash the kid when he played hard for us and I don't accept any slander for any Knick who played hard for us. That included Gallo, Chandler etc etc.

I will admit he struggled. I will admit he's not a finished product. But the I told you Felton is better than that bum crap doesn't fly with me. We even had a mod bump an old thread to bait because he's been all in this season. I want my team to succeed but our fan base is becoming a bit obnoxious. I can find several posters every Lin thread ready to bait after a bad game. I've been a fan before the Melo n Amare years just like you. I'm pumped for this season just like you. I just don't overlook unfair criticism of a young player on a 17 game sample size. If that's the case lots of players suck right now.

And as far as posting in the Knick forum , most would say the quality of posting has dipped substantially from past years. Roshan made a great debate thread pointing out areas of concern that Melo has overcome this season and it was totally bashed and bumped to discredit when it actually shows he was right and those same numbers prove his point

jam
12-26-2012, 12:17 AM
Jeremy Lin signed a 3 year 25 million dollar deal.




12/25: 20 pts, 11 assists; W 120-97
12/22: 15 pts, 11 assists; W 121-96
12/19: 18 pts, 6 assists; W 125-103
12/17: 22 pts, 8 assists; W 109-96

Linsanity's back, hatin' azz *****ez!!!!!

yanksrock
12-26-2012, 12:37 AM
12/25: 20 pts, 11 assists; W 120-97
12/22: 15 pts, 11 assists; W 121-96
12/19: 18 pts, 6 assists; W 125-103
12/17: 22 pts, 8 assists; W 109-96

Linsanity's back, hatin' azz *****ez!!!!!

Clearly worst of all time.

KniCks4LiFe
12-26-2012, 12:38 AM
Merry Christmas bit**** :cool:

Blitzace137
12-26-2012, 12:48 AM
This is the worst thread of all time. Made way to pre-maturely at the time.

heyman321
12-26-2012, 12:49 AM
Would Knicks fans would have wanted Lin or Felton today?

Blitzace137
12-26-2012, 12:52 AM
Would Knicks fans would have wanted Lin or Felton today?

In a NY minute. Lin>Felton been saying it since the beginning.

JesusNYY_Savior
12-26-2012, 12:54 AM
Would Knicks fans would have wanted Lin or Felton today?
No, I'm not going to act like I didn't like Lin when he was with us but he has flaws in his game(as does Felton). I'm fine with the team we have now although Felton does shoot to much.

JesusNYY_Savior
12-26-2012, 12:56 AM
I also don't believe Lin would mesh well with us this year.

BleedGreen1014
12-26-2012, 12:57 AM
Honestly felton has been struggling shooting the ball lately, 5 of 18 today, and 8 of 30 not too long ago. He's shooting way much and not getting his teammates involved, while te last 6-7 games, Jeremy Lin has been the Jeremy Lin of last year, and he had that 38 point outburst against the spurs one of the better defensive teams in the league. Right now I'd take Lin, but hopefully for the Knicks sake Felton will get it going again as he has shown he has tremendous chemistry with amare. Maybe move Felton to the bench with amare and they can anchor that unit so Shumpert can step into the starting role. Sorry I was getting off topic haha.

Point is, Lin is ballin lately.

Blitzace137
12-26-2012, 12:57 AM
I also don't believe Lin would mesh well with us this year.

Why?

heyman321
12-26-2012, 12:57 AM
No, I'm not going to act like I didn't like Lin when he was with us but he has flaws in his game(as does Felton). I'm fine with the team we have now although Felton does shoot to much.

Yeah, but Lin is in what is basically his second season, and Felton has been playing eight years. Knicks are a good team, but wtf Felton takes twenty shots a game?? Lmao!! those shots should be going to Melo.

Imagine if Kidd tutored Lin.

KniCks4LiFe
12-26-2012, 01:04 AM
that's the f'n annoying part. Everyone is like he wouldn't mesh, Felton is trying to do what he does in his sleep. Felton a bit better dribble aside from that he can't pass it like lin, he can't drive and kick like him, he doesn't rebound like him. Defend, Lin is actually leading a category on D.

Jason Kidd is the Knicks PG, but if Lin were his partner, crap it would have been way better. But that's for another discussion, truth is for whatever reason ultimately attitude wise, personal agenda wise, it wouldn't work.

FOBolous
12-26-2012, 01:07 AM
Yeah, but Lin is in what is basically his second season, and Felton has been playing eight years. Knicks are a good team, but wtf Felton takes twenty shots a game?? Lmao!! those shots should be going to Melo.

Imagine if Kidd tutored Lin.

Kidd tutoring Lin....:drool:

DeyAce
12-26-2012, 01:12 AM
Lin abused Hinrich tonight

QueensG_718
12-26-2012, 01:16 AM
We should have resigned lin. Point blank period. I said it right after last season. Smh it hurts to see him ball on another team.

KniCks4LiFe
12-26-2012, 01:19 AM
We should have resigned lin. Point blank period. I said it right after last season. Smh it hurts to see him ball on another team.

We have to win the NBA Championship. No if ands or buts, not anymore.

TeamSeattle
12-26-2012, 01:20 AM
We should have resigned lin. Point blank period. I said it right after last season. Smh it hurts to see him ball on another team.

This and he's ballin right when raymond felton is a black hole too.

KniCks4LiFe
12-26-2012, 01:23 AM
This and he's ballin right when raymond felton is a black hole too.

OT: Russell Wilson is a bad mother.....

Blitzace137
12-26-2012, 01:24 AM
We should have resigned lin. Point blank period. I said it right after last season. Smh it hurts to see him ball on another team.

This...

TeamSeattle
12-26-2012, 01:27 AM
OT: Russell Wilson is a bad mother.....

Yep people are paying attention to him now. My second fav team the giants aint doing ******* so gotta rep the home town team to the fullest. To answer the OP's question, no the signing was kinda genius as Houston is one piece away from a top 5 seed.

JesusNYY_Savior
12-26-2012, 01:28 AM
I also don't believe Lin would mesh well with us this year.

Why?
He and melo never meshed well last year and Woodson wasn't an advocate of his.

jam
12-26-2012, 01:31 AM
Yep people are paying attention to him now. My second fav team the giants aint doing ******* so gotta rep the home town team to the fullest. To answer the OP's question, no the signing was kinda genius as Houston is one piece away from a top 5 seed.

Morey's an absolute pimp. The only other GM who I've held in as high an estimation is Jerry West.

edit: great 'revenge' game of sorts for Asik: 20 pts, 18 rebounds, 3 blks. Asik made the bulls eat his nuts all night long.

jam
12-26-2012, 01:35 AM
He and melo never meshed well last year and Woodson wasn't an advocate of his.

translation: Carmela was a jealous ***** and feared Jeremy would steal "his" spotlight.

Woody's a politician: he was never going to take sides against carmela; carmela got d'antoni fired, and woodson was too smart to offend the prima donna.

FOBolous
12-26-2012, 01:50 AM
I also don't believe Lin would mesh well with us this year.


He and melo never meshed well last year and Woodson wasn't an advocate of his.

agreed. if it's any consolation to Knicks fan, Lin would've never found success on the Knicks. 'melo doesn't have Harden's willingness to work with Lin. i had the feeling the Woodson didn't like Lin either. nor did JR Smith. so Lin leaving was for the best of both sides...Knicks' chemistry and Lin's career.

JoeDirt05
12-26-2012, 01:58 AM
I've never seen this in NBA history. You had two starting PGs on your roster, let them both walk so you could overpay a guy that doesn't seem like he belongs on a basketball court.

Goran Dragic signed a 4 year 30 million dollar deal.

Kyle Lowry had 2 years 12 million left on his deal.

Jeremy Lin signed a 3 year 25 million dollar deal.

Dragic: 15.4/3/6.5

Lowry: 18.3/5.7/6.0

Lin: 10.5/4.2/6.2 38.6%

Other bad moves can at least be explained, trying to fill a need, trying to win now, weak market, trade demands, team chemistry, trying to shed salary, trying to rebuild. None of which explains the Lin signing.

was this the dumbest thread ever made perhaps only time will tell and no im not a rockets fan.

Blitzace137
12-26-2012, 02:03 AM
agreed. if it's any consolation to Knicks fan, Lin would've never found success on the Knicks. 'melo doesn't have Harden's willingness to work with Lin. i had the feeling the Woodson didn't like Lin either. nor did JR Smith. so Lin leaving was for the best of both sides...Knicks' chemistry and Lin's career.

I think Kidd would have balanced everything out. He's a coach on the court and our true vocal leader in the locker room. Jeremy would have been just fine here as the number one playmaker on this team. I think Melo and him would eventually learn to play with each other, both are smart players they would have made it work. And who cares about what J.R. thinks.

The wild card here is Kidd to me, if Kidd wasn't here, then their might have been issues in the locker room.

jam
12-26-2012, 02:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OJpdGInf2n4

Look at this ish: Lin taking charges, blocking shots, steals, droppin' dimes, blowin' past Hinrich again and again, post ups against li'l Wayne (I mean Nate), floaters, jumpers, and my favorite moment: 4:57 in, Nate calls Lin a motherf---er and Lin blows by him for a layup. :)

Blitzace137
12-26-2012, 02:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OJpdGInf2n4

Look at this ish: Lin taking charges, blocking shots, steals, droppin' dimes, blowin' past Hinrich again and again, post ups against li'l Wayne (I mean Nate), floaters, jumpers, and my favorite moment: 4:57 in, Nate calls Lin a motherf---er and Lin blows by him for a layup. :)

lol I don't think he called Lin a mother***** I think he just said in the heat of the moment.

kyubi256
12-26-2012, 02:11 AM
I love Lin and hope he succeeds but even today I'd take Felton over him. The difference between the two isn't big, but Felton does keep the ball better as opposed to Lin who turns it over a lot

jam
12-26-2012, 02:12 AM
The nice thing is, Lin's only at 65-70% right now. He's still not in shape, and he's still recovering his game legs post surgery.

Lin's playing well now, but his game will pick up as he gains more confidence and endurance, and develops an intuitive chemistry with his teammates, Harden in particular.

Blitzace137
12-26-2012, 02:13 AM
I love Lin and hope he succeeds but even today I'd take Felton over him. The difference between the two isn't big, but Felton does keep the ball better as opposed to Lin who turns it over a lot

Your living in last season, Lin's TO have come way down

heyman321
12-26-2012, 02:13 AM
The nice thing is, Lin's only at 65-70% right now. He's still not in shape, and he's still recovering his game legs post surgery.

Lin's playing well now, but his game will pick up as he gains more confidence and endurance, and develops an intuitive chemistry with his teammates, Harden in particular.

His knee is fine, he's just trying to learn to play with Harden with is a ball dominating pick and roll guard, which is what exactly he is. But when they work it out to their full potential, their backcourt will be NICE, and I mean NICE.

KniCks4LiFe
12-26-2012, 02:14 AM
I love Lin and hope he succeeds but even today I'd take Felton over him. The difference between the two isn't big, but Felton does keep the ball better as opposed to Lin who turns it over a lot

You serious? :facepalm:

jam
12-26-2012, 02:18 AM
His knee is fine, he's just trying to learn to play with Harden with is a ball dominating pick and roll guard, which is what exactly he is. But when they work it out to their full potential, their backcourt will be NICE, and I mean NICE.

Structurally, yes. But every player responds differently to surgery, however minor, and Lin is clearly not in optimal game shape yet. Dude was huffin and puffin like he had just finished the NYC marathon, and this was at the START of the second half, lol.

KniCks4LiFe
12-26-2012, 02:19 AM
His knee is fine, he's just trying to learn to play with Harden with is a ball dominating pick and roll guard, which is what exactly he is. But when they work it out to their full potential, their backcourt will be NICE, and I mean NICE.

they fixed it w/ one move, they gave Lin the ball and Harden's game got better as well as off that one move. He's not 100%, it's still sore on day to day. It's getting there though.

QueensG_718
12-26-2012, 02:23 AM
Dam lin is good! Those were some nice highlights. He was a game changer doing everything on the floor.

Derick713
12-26-2012, 02:48 AM
Jeremy was a decent addition. He's had good games. He's improving. The Cavs signing Larry Hughes was pretty bad. He did get 5 years and about 70 million. That's as bad as it gets. Juwan Howard's 7 year 105 million contract was crazy bad.

rocketfuel
12-26-2012, 03:22 AM
There were just people waiting for and wishing that Lin would fail and jumped on any little misstep.....but, you notice those same guys are neveer around when he has good games. Cowards.

Lin would have been great with Kidd....and Lin's personality is not to rock the boat, so I don't see how he wouldn't have deferred to Anthony like he does to Harden now. Lin is getting his points, assists and rebounds while giving Harden most of the shots. If you watch these games, Lin is pushing the tempo and shoving it down the opponents throats...he'll get Harden and Parson their points first. He would have been fine in the East...the Rockets have thrased the East by 20-30 point leads and are 11-2 against the East. Morey's additions: Harden, Lin, Asik and Parsons are all looking like nice additions.