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Hellcrooner
12-05-2012, 01:06 PM
Some similaritys.

the season started with the lakers getting togheter a "fantastic four" of future HOF players.

The offseason favourite topic was if that team could Beat Bulls Best record.

Everything looked promising.

Their Young star had an expiring contract that would get him to be a Unrestricted F.A after the season.


Their Old Star had one more season left on their contract.


Thats how season unfolded.

One of the new adquisitions, an old star battled with injury during the whole season.

The other old star found him lost in the new system he had never played ( triangle) and struggled mightly.

They started strugglin during the season and the record was FAR from what expected.

Old Star refused to pass the torch to the new star and ignored him on the court and tried every game to prove he still was the man.


Young star started to get disgruntled and threaten to leave, he also ballhoged the ring away in the finals.

The season eneded and Old star forced the F-O to either let the young one walk or trade him.

The young star stated that if the Old star wasnt traded he Would not sigh back .


See the similaritys?


Shaq= Kobe
Kobe= Dwight
Pau= Payton
Malone= Nash.

What will 2012 F.O decide if Dwight and Kobe put them in the same situation?

Does kobe get the boot ? ( if they trade nash, artest, pau away for expirings and Amnesty kobe, they have the Caspace to Keep dwight go for Paul, and go for a big f.a in 2014).

nickdymez
12-05-2012, 01:14 PM
I think the Lakers started out that season 16-4 or something like that. Kobe raped a chick. Malone was injured. I think Shaq was even injured a little bit too.. That team still made the finals and im confident there is no team in the east that is as good as that pistons team was back then. I know that of all the top teams in the east, Doc Rivers is the only coach thats on Larry Browns level.

SteBO
12-05-2012, 01:16 PM
Holy bleep, can we wait until Steve gets back and Dwight gets back to completely health please??!!

whitemamba33
12-05-2012, 01:26 PM
The key is chemistry.

The idea that teams can just throw big name stars on a team and instantly play top notch basketball is a little far fetched. Look no further than the past USA Olympic Teams. Judging by rosters alone, it's hard to see how the US could have ever lost a game, let alone get bronze. The commitment level at the time was low, and players would skip previous games and just focus on the actual Olympic Games. Then they refocused and realized that these guys need to play together more often, and things have been good since then.

Remember that it's more important to play well later than it is to play well now. As excited everyone is to see this team fire on all cylinders, it's clearly not in the cards until they build some chemistry. Until then, people can waste all the time they want drawing old comparisons and complaining about things, but I'm holding my judgement until:

#1 The focus of the entire offense returns from injury (Nash)
#2 Until after the all-star break.

whitemamba33
12-05-2012, 02:01 PM
By the way, the Lakers will never amnesty Kobe. It didn't happen when you first brought it up a long time ago, and it's no closer to happening now.

Chronz
12-05-2012, 02:03 PM
I think this is a unique situation that I cant compare to anything with regards to expectations and results/injuries. Similarities for sure but its not really that close.

JordansBulls
12-05-2012, 02:06 PM
Lakers were 18-3 to start in 2004. They are 8-10 now, certainly not the same.

Maybe 2013 is the same as 2003 when the Lakers were 11-19 to start the season.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
12-05-2012, 02:07 PM
lmao

AnthonyTyrael
12-05-2012, 02:08 PM
Nash coming back won't solve all problems.

Big Zo
12-05-2012, 02:11 PM
The '04 team made it to the finals. These guys aren't even at .500 yet. : /

3RDASYSTEM
12-05-2012, 02:40 PM
Some similaritys.

the season started with the lakers getting togheter a "fantastic four" of future HOF players.

The offseason favourite topic was if that team could Beat Bulls Best record.

Everything looked promising.

Their Young star had an expiring contract that would get him to be a Unrestricted F.A after the season.


Their Old Star had one more season left on their contract.


Thats how season unfolded.

One of the new adquisitions, an old star battled with injury during the whole season.

The other old star found him lost in the new system he had never played ( triangle) and struggled mightly.

They started strugglin during the season and the record was FAR from what expected.

Old Star refused to pass the torch to the new star and ignored him on the court and tried every game to prove he still was the man.


Young star started to get disgruntled and threaten to leave, he also ballhoged the ring away in the finals.

The season eneded and Old star forced the F-O to either let the young one walk or trade him.

The young star stated that if the Old star wasnt traded he Would not sigh back .


See the similaritys?


Shaq= Kobe
Kobe= Dwight
Pau= Payton
Malone= Nash.

What will 2012 F.O decide if Dwight and Kobe put them in the same situation?

Does kobe get the boot ? ( if they trade nash, artest, pau away for expirings and Amnesty kobe, they have the Caspace to Keep dwight go for Paul, and go for a big f.a in 2014).

Its similar team talent wise, but heres the 'big' diff. from my angle

SHAQ-MALONE-PAYTON were never considered 'overrated/soft' as far as i can recall from fan/media masses,they just got old and decline like allgreats do

i know they may have choked in reg/playoff games(like all bigtime players do) but they have never had the overrrated or soft label like the new version of this LAKERsquad

i've heard DHOWARD overrated, i've heard KOBE overrated and same with GASOL being soft for yrs and how he couldnt win a round without KOBE


Thats a big reason to me why 04 version started out winning 16 of they first 20 or so and why this new version has won 8 out of they first 18 or so, but what do i know

Only reason they wont get rid of KOBE is because they drafted him, they got SHAQ/HOWARD via trade/free agent so it doesnt hold same value as drafting someone...but if HOWARD pulls a KOBE and says me or him,then maybe they go his direction since MIKE just said hes the 'franchise' player, or does that title still belong to the backupturnedstarter since PAU has flamed out?

KB-Pau-DH2012
12-05-2012, 02:45 PM
I think the Lakers started out that season 16-4 or something like that. Kobe raped a chick. Malone was injured. I think Shaq was even injured a little bit too.. That team still made the finals and im confident there is no team in the east that is as good as that pistons team was back then. I know that of all the top teams in the east, Doc Rivers is the only coach thats on Larry Browns level.

18-3 to be exact before that bum Scott Williams of PHX injured the Mailman.

shep33
12-05-2012, 02:55 PM
18-3 before the injuries started to pile up... and then Kobe's trial, and then Shaq being fat plus the feud with Kobe. That year was more of a mess than this one.

I can't judge these guys fully until Nash, Pau and Dwight get healthy. 3 of our top 4 players on a top heavy team are not healthy. Still no excuse for the lame start, we suck right now, I won't even debate that.

Lakers deserve one of these right now :facepalm:

Hawkeye15
12-05-2012, 02:58 PM
That year just broke down man, with legal trials, injuries, and chemistry breaking down. Are there similarities? A few I guess. But if Malone hadn't gotten hurt, they had a great chance, even with the hatred spewing over between Shaq and Kobe at the time, to still beat Detroit. As it stands, this current team doesn't look anything like a contender.

But I, and everyone else, should at least hold judgment until Nash comes back, the Gasol situation resolves itself, and we see how they look later in the season.

abe_froman
12-05-2012, 03:07 PM
ummm the '04 lakers , despite the chemistry issues,off court distractions and injuries ,were still really good! got off to a dominating start and held a near 700 win% for the season.these guys wish they were '04

JordansBulls
12-05-2012, 03:07 PM
18-3 to be exact before that bum Scott Williams of PHX injured the Mailman.

I don't even remember what happened on the play, what did he do?

I remember he was good Xmas day vs Houston though.

GunFactor187
12-05-2012, 04:06 PM
WOO HOO! Does that mean the Pistons will win it all this year?!? :D

Sssmush
12-05-2012, 04:19 PM
Some similaritys.

the season started with the lakers getting togheter a "fantastic four" of future HOF players.

The offseason favourite topic was if that team could Beat Bulls Best record.

Everything looked promising.

Their Young star had an expiring contract that would get him to be a Unrestricted F.A after the season.


Their Old Star had one more season left on their contract.


Thats how season unfolded.

One of the new adquisitions, an old star battled with injury during the whole season.

The other old star found him lost in the new system he had never played ( triangle) and struggled mightly.

They started strugglin during the season and the record was FAR from what expected.

Old Star refused to pass the torch to the new star and ignored him on the court and tried every game to prove he still was the man.


Young star started to get disgruntled and threaten to leave, he also ballhoged the ring away in the finals.

The season eneded and Old star forced the F-O to either let the young one walk or trade him.

The young star stated that if the Old star wasnt traded he Would not sigh back .


See the similaritys?


Shaq= Kobe
Kobe= Dwight
Pau= Payton
Malone= Nash.

What will 2012 F.O decide if Dwight and Kobe put them in the same situation?

Does kobe get the boot ? ( if they trade nash, artest, pau away for expirings and Amnesty kobe, they have the Caspace to Keep dwight go for Paul, and go for a big f.a in 2014).

All I will say, is that when the Lakers started going on 10 and 20 game winning streaks and toying with teams around late December/January, all of these fair-weather Laker fans are going to have to eat a lot of crow.

Also, for the record

KOBE = Kobe

Dwight = NOT an insecure out of shape A-hole like Shaq

Nash = 3x better than Gary Payton

Gasol = in his fifth season as a Laker, and not a ring-chaser in his final NBA season who signed as a free agent in the offseason.

Andrew32
12-05-2012, 04:22 PM
Dwight = NOT an insecure out of shape A-hole like Shaq


Shaq wasn't out of shape in 2004 and the A-hole was Kobe who was in chuck mode the entire season and loved to play keep-away with Shaq.

Sssmush
12-05-2012, 04:24 PM
That year just broke down man, with legal trials, injuries, and chemistry breaking down. Are there similarities? A few I guess. But if Malone hadn't gotten hurt, they had a great chance, even with the hatred spewing over between Shaq and Kobe at the time, to still beat Detroit. As it stands, this current team doesn't look anything like a contender.

But I, and everyone else, should at least hold judgment until Nash comes back, the Gasol situation resolves itself, and we see how they look later in the season.

Detroit beating the Lakers that year was a bigger upset than America beating the Soviets in Hockey, and would never even have happened if the referees hadn't been ridiculously, 100%, absolutely in the bag for Detroit, because David Stern was terrified of having an accused rapist be the Finals MVP on the championship team.

Andrew32
12-05-2012, 04:26 PM
Detroit beating the Lakers that year was a bigger upset than America beating the Soviets in Hockey, and would never even have happened if the referees hadn't been ridiculously, 100%, absolutely in the bag for Detroit, because David Stern was terrified of having an accused rapist be the Finals MVP on the championship team.

Eh... the main reason they lost was because of the selfish play by Kobe and the terrible perimeter defense by Kobe and more specifically Payton who got absolutely abused by Billups.

Can't blame Stern for Kobe flat-out refusing to feed the post at times and shooting such horrible %'s.
Detroit winning the Championship wouldn't bring the league extra money so Stern had no reason to want it.

ewing
12-05-2012, 05:55 PM
Shaq wasn't out of shape in 2004 and the A-hole was Kobe who was in chuck mode the entire season and loved to play keep-away with Shaq.


He was out of shape or hurt b/c he couldn't get off the damn floor in the playoffs. I bet on Detroit that year and won big

nickdymez
12-05-2012, 06:05 PM
Eh... the main reason they lost was because of the selfish play by Kobe and the terrible perimeter defense by Kobe and more specifically Payton who got absolutely abused by Billups.

Can't blame Stern for Kobe flat-out refusing to feed the post at times and shooting such horrible %'s.
Detroit winning the Championship wouldn't bring the league extra money so Stern had no reason to want it.

Your way worse than me with the Lebron hate. I just dispell Lebron myths (Like he can play quarterback for the Packers and lead them to a superbowl or play Center and be the greatest center to ever play). You just hate kobe. Is your sister or mom from Denver?

mightybosstone
12-05-2012, 06:08 PM
Your way worse than me with the Lebron hate. I just dispell Lebron myths (Like he can play quarterback for the Packers and lead them to a superbowl or play Center and be the greatest center to ever play). You just hate kobe. Is your sister or mom from Denver?

Kobe blows. I don't understand what Lakers fans see in him. If I were a Laker fan, I would just jump ship to the Heat to watch a superior basketball player in Lebron James.

nickdymez
12-05-2012, 06:13 PM
Kobe blows. I don't understand what Lakers fans see in him. If I were a Laker fan, I would just jump ship to the Heat to watch a superior basketball player in Lebron James.

It took Lebron 3 tries to win a ring. Pathetic. We will stick to Kobe who seems to be playing in the Finals every 3 years. Thanks though. Tune in tonight to watch Kobe become the youngest player to reach 30,000 points. Should be fun!

By the way, that was a terrible attempt at trolling...

Andrew32
12-05-2012, 06:22 PM
He was out of shape or hurt b/c he couldn't get off the damn floor in the playoffs. I bet on Detroit that year and won big
Couldn't get off the floor?
He averaged 3.5bpg in the first three rounds of the playoffs.

Dude was in excellent shape after hiring a marine personal trainer in the 03 off-season.

Andrew32
12-05-2012, 06:23 PM
Your way worse than me with the Lebron hate.
Not hating on Kobe.

The fact is he was a massive douche-bag that year and did things on the court that hurt their chances of success.

So many times in the Finals he would have the ball in the corner and Shaq would have post position and instead of feeding him he'd swing the ball back around the perimeter or force a bad shot.

nickdymez
12-05-2012, 06:24 PM
Not hating on Kobe.

The fact is he was a massive douche-bag that year and did things on the court that hurt their chances of success.

why is he a bigger D bag then Shaq? They were both *******s to each other.

Andrew32
12-05-2012, 06:28 PM
why is he a bigger D bag then Shaq? They were both *******s to each other.
Kobe was much more at fault.

It was his inability to listen to Phil, know his place and accept his role that pissed off Shaq and when O'neal complained about it Kobe instead of listening and changing chose to destroy their relationship.
He was arrogant and thought he knew better and it led to failure.

Sure they both were immature at times but Kobe was the one who was more in the wrong and out of place.

nickdymez
12-05-2012, 06:30 PM
Kobe was much more at fault.

It was his inability to listen to Phil, know his place and accept his role that pissed off Shaq and when he complained about it Kobe chose to destroy their relationship.
He was arrogant and thought he knew better and it led to failure.

Sure they both were immature at times but Kobe was the one who was more in the wrong and out of place.

Because Kobe was working a lot harder and taking the game way more serious than Shaq was. They were both Alpha males, it happens

Andrew32
12-05-2012, 06:39 PM
Because Kobe was working a lot harder and taking the game way more serious than Shaq was. They were both Alpha males, it happens
How does Kobe know how hard Shaq worked in the off-season and Shaq always took the game seriously when he was on the court.
How is that any of his business anyway?

Shaq was still the better player, the veteran and the "main man" behind their recent 3peat.

If MWP worked harder then Kobe in the off-season does he have the right to ignore the coach and run the offense the way he want.

Im_in_Mia_bish
12-05-2012, 06:57 PM
Hmm.

2004 lakers and the 2012 lakers are completely different except for the 4 future HOFers in the starting rotation thing.

We have yet to see the 2012 lakers identity.