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Chronz
12-04-2012, 03:54 PM
Obviously they wound up trading for Shaq but it was only after they saw what Dwight did to their flimsy frontcourt. The Shaq Im talking about was the healthiest he'd been in years, the Suns training staff had him all cured up and he was performing at an All-Star level. He would have been the best teammate Bron ever had in Cleveland, which is kind of sad in itself but still true.

Ultimately the Cavs didnt want to part ways with Wally's expiring contract nor disrupt team chemistry. Wally wound up sitting on the bench during the playoffs however and Dwight had the best series of his career vs their hurt/outmatched centers.

When they finally got Shaq it was with the idea of matching up with Orlando, instead they faced the Celtics and Brown's incompetent coaching was on full display.





How good does All-Star Shaq make the Cavs? I think it gos without saying they beat Orlando but I dont see them taking out the Lakers at the height of their powers.

heyman321
12-04-2012, 04:01 PM
What are you talking about? Shaq was an absolute beast, all porky 375 lbs of him. And so was Ben Wallace, and so was Ilgauskas and Varejao.

Shaq won *All-star game MVP* just the year before, it's Lebron's fault that he couldn't "get it done as the man with a franchise that had never won anything before". Oh and Cleveland was also the top seed for the that year and the year before!!! Surely he already had enough help in Shaq/Z/Varejao/Mike Brown's coaching prowess. It's Lebron's fault!!!

JasonJohnHorn
12-04-2012, 05:40 PM
If they had Shaq the season they played Orlando in the conference finals they could have won it all... but I think LBJ still would have left... his attitude would have been: I brought a ring to Cleveland, but they are in re-building mode now and I have a better chance to win in MIA with Bosha nd Wade.

of course... other things might have changed had Cleveland won that season and other events might have kept James in Cleveland, but I think James was bound to leave Cleveland regardless of if he won or not.

stawka
12-04-2012, 05:42 PM
And HCA bruh, don't forget the HCA bruhhhhhh!!

JordansBulls
12-04-2012, 05:45 PM
Obviously they wound up trading for Shaq but it was only after they saw what Dwight did to their flimsy frontcourt. The Shaq Im talking about was the healthiest he'd been in years, the Suns training staff had him all cured up and he was performing at an All-Star level. He would have been the best teammate Bron ever had in Cleveland, which is kind of sad in itself but still true.

Ultimately the Cavs didnt want to part ways with Wally's expiring contract nor disrupt team chemistry. Wally wound up sitting on the bench during the playoffs however and Dwight had the best series of his career vs their hurt/outmatched centers.

When they finally got Shaq it was with the idea of matching up with Orlando, instead they faced the Celtics and Brown's incompetent coaching was on full display.





How good does All-Star Shaq make the Cavs? I think it gos without saying they beat Orlando but I dont see them taking out the Lakers at the height of their powers.

Shaq made them pretty good. Whenever you get a 1x league mvp and 3x finals mvp winner to go with a superstar on the team you should win it all.

nickdymez
12-04-2012, 05:47 PM
Shaq made them pretty good. Whenever you get a 1x league mvp and 3x finals mvp winner to go with a superstar on the team you should win it all.

This

stawka
12-04-2012, 05:49 PM
AHAHAHAHAHA there it is, I was waiting for it!!!

HCA too bro, don't forget that

DoMeFavors
12-04-2012, 05:51 PM
Shaq was fat and out of shape, his last good year was like 07

Raps18-19 Champ
12-04-2012, 05:52 PM
Shaq made them pretty good. Whenever you get a 1x league mvp and 3x finals mvp winner to go with a superstar on the team you should win it all.

It only applies if he still played like the 1x Leabue MVP and the 3x Finals MVP.

But I don't think they would've won with him anyways had they got him in 2008.

JordansBulls
12-04-2012, 05:52 PM
AHAHAHAHAHA there it is, I was waiting for it!!!

HCA too bro, don't forget that

Don't be that way man. We go wayy back.:)

JordansBulls
12-04-2012, 05:53 PM
It only applies if he still played like the 1x Leabue MVP and the 3x Finals MVP.

But I don't think they would've won with him anyways had they got him in 2008.

2009 was no excuse. KG was out for the playoffs and Jameer was out, there was absolutely no one else in the East who should have stopped them with or without Shaq. You can say the Lakers should still have beaten them, but no one in the East should have.

Raps18-19 Champ
12-04-2012, 05:57 PM
2009 was no excuse. KG was out for the playoffs and Jameer was out, there was absolutely no one else in the East who should have stopped them with or without Shaq. You can say the Lakers should still have beaten them, but no one in the East should have.

What does this have to do with what I'm saying?

I'm asking you: Why do you still bring up " 1x Leabue MVP and the 3x Finals MVP" when it has no relevance.

Sactown
12-04-2012, 05:59 PM
Honestly, I don't think it would of made much difference, they didn't have a serious offensive game plan.. Doesn't matter what happens when you're always extremely out coached, ISO's don't win championships.. Honestly sad Cleveland couldn't get it's act together.. To bad their GM didn't realize no matter what coach they had they were going to win a significant amount of games, they should of looked for the right coach instead of being satisfied with Lebrons ISO's.

naps
12-04-2012, 06:14 PM
Shaq made them pretty good. Whenever you get a 1x league mvp and 3x finals mvp winner to go with a superstar on the team you should win it all.

:facepalm:

Shaq winning those MVPs 10 years ago has what to do with his Cleveland days?

JordansBulls
12-04-2012, 06:18 PM
:facepalm:

Shaq winning those MVPs 10 years ago has what to do with his Cleveland days?

The OP clearly mentioned the allstar form of Shaq in 2009 who won allstar MVP.

Steelers23_06
12-04-2012, 06:18 PM
http://nesn.com/2010/02/cavaliers-on-verge-of-trading-for-amare-stoudemire/

Or it would have helped to have both and it would have given them two solid pieces to duel against bosh and wade and the miami heat. It would have atleast shown him they aren't trying to rebuild they are trying to win now. Stat would have definitely contributed to miami beating Boston in that series

Raps18-19 Champ
12-04-2012, 06:20 PM
The OP clearly mentioned the allstar form of Shaq in 2009 who won allstar MVP.

There's a big difference between Shaq's 2009 form and his 1999-2003 form. A BIG difference.

Raps18-19 Champ
12-04-2012, 06:20 PM
http://nesn.com/2010/02/cavaliers-on-verge-of-trading-for-amare-stoudemire/

Or it would have helped to have both and it would have given them two solid pieces to duel against bosh and wade and the miami heat. It would have atleast shown him they aren't trying to rebuild they are trying to win now. Stat would have definitely contributed to miami beating Boston in that series

:laugh2:

Is that ****ing legit? How the hell did the Cavs miss out on Amar'e?

Alayla
12-04-2012, 07:00 PM
:laugh2:

Is that ****ing legit? How the hell did the Cavs miss out on Amar'e?

Amare was on a 1 year deal and the cavs didnt want to give up hickson for a rental

Hawkeye15
12-04-2012, 07:07 PM
Shaq made them pretty good. Whenever you get a 1x league mvp and 3x finals mvp winner to go with a superstar on the team you should win it all.

why do you continue with this? Shaq was a shell of his former self. Furthermore, that idiot Brown took away his one advantage over the Celtics, by playing the slower Shaq and Big Z minutes over his faster guys Anderson, Hickson, and Moon, whose athletic ability would have given the Celtics problems.

12/6, in 23 mpg. That is a mvp and finals mvp caliber player? You never put into context where LeBron's awesome help was at when they played with him.

Andrew32
12-04-2012, 07:09 PM
I do think beat Orlando with Shaq in 2009.
He'd do 100x better then Varejo or Z did on Dwight.

Now... if they beat the Lakers is a better question.

JordansBulls
12-04-2012, 07:19 PM
why do you continue with this? Shaq was a shell of his former self. Furthermore, that idiot Brown took away his one advantage over the Celtics, by playing the slower Shaq and Big Z minutes over his faster guys Anderson, Hickson, and Moon, whose athletic ability would have given the Celtics problems.

12/6, in 23 mpg. That is a mvp and finals mvp caliber player? You never put into context where LeBron's awesome help was at when they played with him.

We are talking about 2009 when Shaq made the allstar team and won allstar game mvp.

Hawkeye15
12-04-2012, 07:21 PM
We are talking about 2009 when Shaq made the allstar team and won allstar game mvp.

Even then, he wasn't the Shaq you are painting him out to be. Neither were the others you try and paint as elites, well past their elite days.

Tom Chambers won all star MVP. Do you think he would have put LeBron over the top had he been the Chambers of that year? Cmon now.

davids22
12-04-2012, 07:31 PM
Just look at my sig, there's your answer. Although

What are you talking about? Shaq was an absolute beast, all porky 375 lbs of him. And so was Ben Wallace, and so was Ilgauskas and Varejao.

Shaq won *All-star game MVP* just the year before, it's Lebron's fault that he couldn't "get it done as the man with a franchise that had never won anything before". Oh and Cleveland was also the top seed for the that year and the year before!!! Surely he already had enough help in Shaq/Z/Varejao/Mike Brown's coaching prowess. It's Lebron's fault!!!

...summed it up pretty nicely.

stawka
12-04-2012, 07:59 PM
Shaq won All-Star game MVP with Kobe as a sympathy vote: a mere thing that he was playing alongside Kobe for the first time in many years and was a FA at seasons end I believe and everyone was saying "he'll go back to LA and reunite with Kobe"

I'm a Shaq fan, but it's clear he didn't deserve that MVP and the West team was forcing Shaq the ball to get him the MVP

It wasn't because Shaq was a beast that year, he clearly wasn't!

Chronz
12-04-2012, 08:15 PM
Shaq made them pretty good.
What do you mean made them pretty good? Didnt they win more games the year prior? I dont think Shaq made anything, werent the Cavs better without Shaq that year?


Whenever you get a 1x league mvp and 3x finals mvp winner to go with a superstar on the team you should win it all.

So you honestly think the Suns and Celtics should have won it all with Shaq? Why didnt they?


Shaq was fat and out of shape, his last good year was like 07
Define good. Being an All-Star/All-League level player isnt good anymore?


Don't be that way man. We go wayy back.:)
Me and Stawka go back even further, he wouldn't lie about Shaq

Chronz
12-04-2012, 08:17 PM
Even then, he wasn't the Shaq you are painting him out to be. Neither were the others you try and paint as elites, well past their elite days.

Tom Chambers won all star MVP. Do you think he would have put LeBron over the top had he been the Chambers of that year? Cmon now.

You took it the wrong route, his post said Shaq made them better. How can he be talking about All-Star Shaq when hes talking about the Shaq that showed up in Cleveland?

Chronz
12-04-2012, 08:19 PM
Shaq won All-Star game MVP with Kobe as a sympathy vote: a mere thing that he was playing alongside Kobe for the first time in many years and was a FA at seasons end I believe and everyone was saying "he'll go back to LA and reunite with Kobe"

I'm a Shaq fan, but it's clear he didn't deserve that MVP and the West team was forcing Shaq the ball to get him the MVP

It wasn't because Shaq was a beast that year, he clearly wasn't!

He was a beast, I remember making a thread on M2 where I say, if Shaq takes the Suns to the playoffs its as great of an accomplishment as his 4th championship. I was prolly out of line there but he was looking very good. Shame they had a dunce for a coach.

DumDum
12-04-2012, 08:20 PM
back then yeah make the trade but knowing what we know nope

davids22
12-04-2012, 09:21 PM
Define good. Being an All-Star/All-League level player isnt good anymore?

Implying being voted onto the All-Star team means you're good versus you're popular.

Hawkeye15
12-04-2012, 09:46 PM
You took it the wrong route, his post said Shaq made them better. How can he be talking about All-Star Shaq when hes talking about the Shaq that showed up in Cleveland?

uh, because anyone who enters the convo with Jordan immediately enters his agenda to discredit?

Chronz
12-05-2012, 12:29 AM
Implying being voted onto the All-Star team means you're good versus you're popular.
All-NBA ???

And I meant All-Star by production levels.