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DaSox_05
12-03-2012, 08:28 AM
Attention PSD Nation:


For the past month a group of PSD members have been participating in a MLB ReDraft. The draft was conducted in a snake format consisting of 30 teams. These are fake teams who with no MLB affiliation so there would be no bias in voting. So please take this very seriously as the GM's have worked very hard on building their team from scratch. Please review the teams very carefully and vote who you think would win a 7 game series, Jamaica has home field advantage in a 2-3-2 format.



Jamaica J-Bay's

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PETCO Park


Salary Information:

Salary Cap: $100,000,000
Team Salary: $97,725,000
Cap Remaining: $2,275,000


1 - Ryan Hanigan (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4952&position=C)
2010-2012 - .279/.373/.368, 100 OPS+, 5.4 brWAR
2 - Dustin Pedroia (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8370&position=2B)
2010-2012 - .297/.368/.469, 123 OPS+, 15.6 brWAR
3 - Curtis Granderson (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4747&position=OF)
2010-2012 - .247/.337/.506, 123 OPS+, 12.1 brWAR
4 - Jose Bautista (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1887&position=3B/OF)
2010-2012 - .271/.400/.593, 165 OPS+, 17.5 brWAR
5 - Michael Morse (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3035&position=1B/OF)
2010-2012 - .296/.345/.516, 132 OPS+, 4.9 brWAR
6 - Brandon Belt (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=10264&position=1B)
2012 - .275/.360/.421, 124 OPS+, 2.7 brWAR
7 - Mike Olt (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=10698&position=1B/3B)
2012 - .288/.398/.579, 28 HR's, 82 RBI (MiLB)
8 - Gerardo Parra (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8553&position=OF)
2010-2012 - .276./335/.399, 96 OPS+, 4.8 WAR
9 - Jean Segura (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5933&position=SS)
2012 - .304/.358/.413, 37 SB's (MiLB)


SP: Mat Latos (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3815&position=P)
2010-2012 - 3.30 ERA, 3.18 K/BB, 116 ERA+, 8.7 brWAR
SP: Shaun Marcum (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6204&position=P)
2010-2012 - 3.62 ERA, 3.06 K/BB, 113 ERA+, 8.0 brWAR
SP: Andy Pettitte (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=840&position=P)
2010-2012 - 3.13 ERA, 2.74 K/BB, 134 ERA+, 4.6 brWAR
SP: Johan Santana (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=755&position=P)
2009-2012 - 3.49 ERA, 2.86 K/BB, 113 ERA+, 7.7 brWAR

Swingman: David Phelps (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6316&position=P)
2012: 3.34 ERA, 2.53 K/BB, 125 ERA+, 2.0 rWAR
Swingman: Rubby De La Rosa (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3862&position=P)
2011 - 3.71 ERA, 1.94 K/BB, 100 OPS+, 0.5 brWAR
LOOGY: Tom Layne (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7501&position=P)
2012 vs LHP - .083 BAA, 15.00 K/BB
MR: Shawn Tolleson (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=10481&position=P)
2012 - 2.82 ERA, 6.80 K/BB, 0.94 WHIP (MiLB)
MR: Jim Henderson (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6653&position=P)
2012 - 3.52 ERA, 3.46 K/BB, 118 ERA+
MR: Joakim Soria (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6941&position=P)
2010-2011 - 2.86 ERA, 3.97 K/BB, 146 ERA+
SU: Ronald Belisario (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=2203&position=P)
2012 - 2.54 ERA, 2.38 K/BB, 150 ERA+
CL: Rafael Betancourt (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=177&position=P)
2010-2012 - 3.11 ERA, 7.82 K/BB, 150 ERA+

Defense

C: Ryan Hanigan
1B: Brandon Belt
2B: Dustin Pedroia
3B: Mike Olt
SS: Jean Segura
LF: Curtis Granderson
CF: Gerardo Parra
RF: Jose Bautista
DH: Michael Morse

Bench

C: Ryan Lavarnway
UTIL: Johnny Giavotella
UTIL:Jordany Valdespin
OF: Fernando Martinez


Draft:
Round 1 - Jose Bautista - 14 M
Round 2 - Dustin Pedroia - 10 M
Round 3 - Mat Latos - 550k
Round 4 - Curtis Granderson - 13 M
Round 5 - Michael Morse - 6.75 M
Round 6 - Shaun Marcum - 7.725 M
Round 7 - Brandon Belt - 490k
Round 8 - Ryan Hanigan - 2.05 M
Round 9 - Andy Pettitte - 2.5 M
Round 10 - Gerardo Parra - 490k
Round 11 - Rafael Betancourt - 4.25 M
Round 12 - Ronald Belisario - 490k
Round 13 - Mike Olt - 490k
Round 14 - Joakim Soria - 6 M
Round 15 - Johan Santana - 25.5 M
Round 16 - Jim Henderson - 490k
Round 17 - Tom Layne - 490k
Round 18 - Rubby De La Rosa - 490k
Round 19 - Jean Segura - 490k
Round 20 - David Phelps - 490k
Round 21 - Ryan Lavarnway - 490k
Round 22 - Johnny Giavotella - 490k
Round 23 - Shawn Tolleson - 490k
Round 24 - Fernando Martinez - 490k
Round 25 -Jordany Valdespin - 490k

vs.

DaSox_05
12-03-2012, 08:46 AM
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Jamaica had to have been a decent team in order to make the finals. And this being the playoffs, their success starts with their rotation, which is led by the solid Mat Latos. He's followed by the reliable...sorry, injury prone Shaun Marcum. He threw 124 innings last year, mostly below league average. But I'm sure there's someone more reliable behind Marcum. After all, they have Andy Pettite who was...oh, right, injured last season. He did manage a whole 12 starts (75 innings). Well, maybe the fourth starter is more reliable? Oh, it's Johan Santana, who threw 117 innings with a 4.85 ERA? And he's followed by De La Rosa who had TJ surgery? Not a good sign.

So basically we shouldn't expect more than 2 of these guys to actually be able to pitch in the playoffs, because none of them, save for Latos, has a shot at being healthy for October. Contrast that with the Twats devastating rotation of Strasburg, Dickey, Moore, and Lincecum, and it's a no brainer. While Santana and Pettite were at one time dominant, big game pitchers, that's no longer the case. At this point in their careers both are injury prone, and in Santana's case he's extremely ineffective as well.

Jamaica does have a solid lineup, anchored by Jose Bautista. The problem is that there's no way he'll ever have a chance at hitting with men on base. With four lefties in our pen, Granderson is guaranteed to see a lefty reliever out of the pen. If for some reason Bautista has men on base, he'll be intentionally walked, leaving Trevor Rosenthal, Sergio Santos, or Kenley Janssen all options to get rid of the "threat" of Mike Morse, he of the 791 OPS.

The rest of the lineup is no threat, as Seguera hasn't hit above AA, Olt hasn't proven he can hit major league pitching (and with a 30% K rate, he's not likely to succeed in the immediate future), and Parra is a below league average hitter. A lot of people have suggested that Jamaica has a strong lineup, but once Bautista is out of the way the lineup isn't that intimidating. Keep in mind that Jose, while a great power hitter, is coming off of wrist surgery - meaning we can't expect him to be as dangerous as he was in the past.

Jamaica's bullpen isn't deep, a significant issue when one realizes how weak their rotation is. Most of their starters failed to average 6 innings pitcher per game, so in the playoffs they'll likely need to get 3-4 innings out of their pen. And I just don't know if they can do that. Tolleson is a below average reliever, and Soria is coming off his second tommy john surgery - and before that, he wasn't even pitching well. Can we really expect Henderson, Layne, Belisario and Betancourt to get them through 3-4 innings? That's asking a lot of a bullpen that is going to be expected to pitch most of the game on back to back days.

Contrast that with the Twats pen, who have 4 relievers with closing experience (Kenley Jansen, Santos, Gonzalez and Thornton) and a very capable shut down set up man in Trevor Rosenthal. Not only that, but the Twats have several pitchers who can go multiple innings, and a deeper bullpen that will ensure that no hitter will ever see a platoon advantage. It's just too easy to pitch around the Jamaican lineup.

Jamaica is completely outclassed in the rotation and pen, and Jose Bautista just isn't enough to overcome the difference. The lineup is overrated, and littered with players with little to no experience. The rotation is filled with injury prone stars that are past their primes, ensuring that they won't be healthy, effective, or able to pitch deep into games. And finally the bullpen is just a mess, filled with arms coming off injuries, guys with no experience, or just limited effectiveness. A rotation that has Andy Pettite and Johan Santana in it expected to play meaningful roles in the 2013 playoffs is one that would and should be bounced out of the playoffs.

The bottom line is that while Jamaica is good, the Twats are much better.



Tuscaloosa Twats
Three Amigos: JD, Twitch, & BBCHWS
Salary: $82,001,500
Salary Remaining:$17,998,500
Park: Comerica Park

25 Twats
C. Travis D'Arnaud (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa389876&position=C) - $491,000
1B. Kevin Youkilis (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1935&position=1B/3B) - $12,250,000
2B: Aaron Hill (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6104&position=2B) - $8,000,000
3B: Matt Carpenter (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8090&position=1B/3B) - $491,000
SS. Andrelton Simmons (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=10847&position=SS) - $491,000
LF. Logan Morrison (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=9205&position=OF) - $491,000
CF. Lorenzo Cain (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=9077&position=OF) - $491,000
RF. Nolan Reimold (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3441&position=OF) - $491,000
DH David Ortiz (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=745&position=DH) - $13,000,000
OF. Dewayne Wise (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1554&position=OF) - $491,000
INF. Jose Iglesias (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=10231&position=SS) - $491,000
UTIL. Scott Moore (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4390&position=1B/3B) - $491,000
C. Francisco Cervelli (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5275&position=C) - $514,000
SP. Stephen Strasburg (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=10131&position=P) - $3,000,000
SP. RA Dickey (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1245&position=P) - $5,000,000
SP. Matt Moore (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1890&position=P) - $1,000,000
SP. Tim Lincecum (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5705&position=P) - $22,000,000
SP. Trevor Rosenthal (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=10745&position=P) - $491,000
LRP. Carlos Villanueva (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4138&position=P) - $2,227,500
MRP. Donnie Veal (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4741&position=P) - $491,000
MRP. Darin Downs (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5903&position=P) - $491,000
LOOGY. Mike Gonzalez (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1794&position=P) - $491,000
RH ACE. Sergio Santos (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4734&position=P) - $2,750,000
LH ACE. Matt Thornton (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1918&position=P) - $5,500,000
CL. Kenley Jansen (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3096&position=P) - $491,000



The Roto

1. Stephen Strasburg: 159 IP l 3.16 ERA l 2.82 FIP l 11.13 K/9 l 4.3 fWAR

2. RA Dickey: 234 IP l 2.73 ERA l 3.27 FIP l 8.86 K/9 l 4.6 fWAR

3. Matt Moore: 177 IP l 3.81 ERA l 3.93 FIP l 8.88 K/9 l 2.3 fWAR

4. Tim Lincecum: 186 IP l 5.18 ERA l 4.18 FIP l 9.19 K/9 l 1.5 fWAR

LR/Swingman: Carlos Villanueva: 125 IP l 4.16 ERA l 4.71 FIP l 8.76 K/9 l 0.6 fWAR

LR/Swingman: Darin Downs: 21 IP l 3.48 ERA l 3.24 FIP l 8.71 K/9 l 0.2 fWAR

MRP. Donnie Veal: 13 IP l 1.38 ERA l 1.09 FIP l 13.15 K/9 l 0.5 fWAR l .303 OPS vs. LH

MRP. Sergio Santos: 63 IP l 3.55 ERA l 2.87 FIP l 13.07 K/9 l 1.7 fWAR (2011)

LOOGY. Mike Gonzalez: 36 IP l 3.03 ERA l 2.98 FIP l 9.84 K/9 l 0.5 fWAR l .526 OPS vs. LH

RH ACE. Trevor Rosenthal: 23 IP l 2.78 ERA l 3.09 FIP l 9.93 K/9 l 0.2 fWAR

LH ACE. Matt Thornton: 65 IP l 3.46 ERA l 3.19 FIP l 7.34 K/9 l 1.4 fWAR

CL. Kenley Jansen: 65 IP l 2.35 ERA l 2.40 FIP l 13.71 K/9 l 1.7 fWAR


Lineup

1. Matt Carpenter: .294/.365/.463/.828 l .355 wOBA l 125 wRC+ l 1.6 fWAR

2. Lorenzo Cain: .266/.316/.419/.735 l .318 wOBA l 99 wRC+ l 1.7 fWAR

3. Aaron Hill: .302/.360/.522/.882 l .375 wOBA l 131 wRC+ l 6.2 fWAR

4. David Ortiz: .318/.415/.611/1.026 l .425 wOBA l 169 wRC+ l 3.0 fWAR

5. Kevin Youkilis: .235/.336/.409/.745 l .328 wOBA l 102 wRC+ l 1.3 fWAR

6. Logan Morrison: .230/.308/.399/.707 l .309 wOBA l 91 wRC+ l 0.2 fWAR

7. Nolan Reimold: .313/.333/.627/.960 l .407 wOBA l 158 wRC+ l 0.6 fWAR

8. Travis D'Arnaud: .333/.380/.595/.975 l .415 wOBA l 147 wRC+ l (AAA)

9. Andrelton Simmons: .289/.335/.416/.751 l .324 wOBA l 102 wRC+ l 2.2 fWAR

OF. Dewayne Wise: .259/.293/.429/.722 l .310 wOBA l 90 wRC+ l 0.9 fWAR

INF. Jose Iglesias: Defense

C. Francisco Cervelli: .266/.324/.395/.729 l .319 wOBA l 96 wRC+ l 0.5 fWAR

UTIL: Scott Moore: .259/.330/.448/.778 l .335 wOBA l 110 wRC+ l 0.5 fWAR


Draft Picks

1. (22) Stephen Strasburg
2. (39) RA Dickey
3. (82) David Ortiz
4. (99) Aaron Hill
5. (139) Matt Moore
6. (162) Tim Lincecum
7. (202) Kevin Youkilis
8. (222) Kenley Jansen
9. (262) Matt Carpenter
10. (279) Andrelton Simmons
11. (319) Lorenzo Cain
12. (342) Matt Thornton
13. (382) Logan Morrison
14. (402) Trevor Rosenthal
15. (442) Sergio Santos
16. (459) Mike Gonzalez
17. (502) Nolan Reimold
18. (519) Travis D'Arnaud
19. (562) Carlos Villanueva
20. (579) Donnie Veal
21. (622) Dewayne Wise
22. (639) Jose Iglesias
23. (682) Scott Moore
24. (699) Darin Downs
25. (742) Francisco Cervelli

DaSox_05
12-03-2012, 12:57 PM
Sticky me please.

Good luck gentlemen.

VRP723
12-03-2012, 01:29 PM
So exciting!

DaSox_05
12-03-2012, 02:06 PM
It would be if I could some sticky!!!

ugafan
12-03-2012, 02:09 PM
That writeup is the biggest crock of **** and I expected better from you guys.

VRP723
12-03-2012, 02:20 PM
That writeup is the biggest crock of **** and I expected better from you guys.

:nod:

Nomar
12-03-2012, 02:21 PM
Congrats Pittz and VRP!

JDIsMyGod23
12-03-2012, 02:23 PM
Golf rules apply?

hammerinhank
12-03-2012, 04:45 PM
It was a toss up until I read the write up, that alone made me go with Jamaica.

Ian.
12-03-2012, 05:26 PM
As nice is that rotation is for Tuscaloosa, I just can't get behind that lineup. At all.

xnick5757
12-03-2012, 06:08 PM
twats lineup = meh

injury history of j-bays pitchers = :puke:

JDIsMyGod23
12-03-2012, 06:12 PM
I'll just blame Twitchy then!

BrianWestKins
12-03-2012, 06:51 PM
Twats by a hair. That pitching staff is so damn good and the lineup is good enough behind it.

Ian.
12-03-2012, 07:44 PM
twats lineup = meh

injury history of j-bays pitchers = :puke:

Strasburg has a major surgery on his record too.

Jeffy25
12-03-2012, 08:30 PM
I like the Twats pitching too much to not vote for them.

But this would be a good competition value wise.

they also have a lot of good value offensive players that nobody knows enough about.

BayArea91
12-03-2012, 10:25 PM
Neither team impresses to make this a classic. Round 2?

J-Bay has a good lineup, but then two minor leaguers kills him. Timmy can dominate the show. Going with Timmy love me or hate me.

Young2Kinsler
12-04-2012, 12:08 AM
I think both those teams are really MEH

JDIsMyGod23
12-04-2012, 01:04 AM
I think both those teams are really MEH

Well, when you have a snake draft at the end of the season, what can you expect?

Every team kind of sucks.

VRP723
12-04-2012, 01:06 AM
Imagine what the talent would be like in the MLB if 30 teams tried competing. That's what we have here.

Twitchy
12-04-2012, 01:59 AM
That writeup is the biggest crock of **** and I expected better from you guys.

It's a crock to point out that none of Jamaica's pitchers are remotely healthy and wouldn't last the season? I didn't realize pointing out the flaws in opposing teams was considered a faux pas. Especially when Pettite (75 innings) and Santana (117 in 2012) can't really be expected to make an impact in October at this point in their careers.

And if you want to argue post season effectiveness then let's not forget that Marcum and Latos were pretty brutal.

I'm not surprised by the voting but what I am surprised by is how everybody is just ignoring the fact that Jamaica's entire pitching staff are virtually all coming off major injuries in 2012. If you want to argue Stras is an injury risk go for it, but he was healthy for 2012, unlike De La Rosa (TJ) or Santana or Marcum or Pettite who all missed significant time due to injury.

Jamaica's lineup is good, but it's not good enough to overcome 4 major injuries like that.

Edit: Congrats to Jamaica on putting together a quality squad.

VRP723
12-04-2012, 02:17 AM
Point is Twitch, people aren't as dumb as you think. Saying other than Bautista that "the rest of the lineup is no threat", is foolish. Your second best hitter is Aaron Hill. In these type of things, you can twist numbers in 100 different directions, we both know that, so I'm not going to get into that discussion, but you said "The lineup is overrated, and littered with players with little to no experience" when you have Matt Carpenter, Lorenzo Cain, Nolan Reimold, Logan Morrison, Travis D'Arnaud and Andrelton Simmons, which is so beyond hypocritical it's hilarious. And people aren't stupid, they saw it just like I did.

Johann
12-04-2012, 02:20 AM
I voted for Jamaica, and it was a tough decision.
I liked their offense more. Their starting pitchers were not as good, but SP isn't a huge deal in the playoffs.
Jamaica in 7.

Twitchy
12-04-2012, 08:43 AM
Point is Twitch, people aren't as dumb as you think. Saying other than Bautista that "the rest of the lineup is no threat", is foolish. Your second best hitter is Aaron Hill. In these type of things, you can twist numbers in 100 different directions, we both know that, so I'm not going to get into that discussion, but you said "The lineup is overrated, and littered with players with little to no experience" when you have Matt Carpenter, Lorenzo Cain, Nolan Reimold, Logan Morrison, Travis D'Arnaud and Andrelton Simmons, which is so beyond hypocritical it's hilarious. And people aren't stupid, they saw it just like I did.

I'm not sure I'd agree that Morrison (1146 AB), Cain (425 AB), or Reimold (808 AB) aren't that experienced. But to each his own. They're not vets, but I wouldn't call them rookies either.

It's not about people being stupid or not, VRP. It's about people coming in with a preconceived notion. If you look at the redraft forum people were saying you'd win halfway through. Which is fine. But I was asking Uggla to point out specifically where I was wrong, as opposed to just saying he doesn't like the fact that a write up by our team shows us as being better, unlike every other team in every past redraft who has done the same.

I don't treat people like they're stupid. I'm raising legitimate questions here. A couple people said they didn't like the write up - fantastic. Instead of saying that, they could point out where they disagreed. Disliking the tone is one thing. I mean, as soon as I saw the injuries I just had to have some fun with the first few paragraphs, knowing full well how people were going to vote and that it wouldn't change a thing.

Now, disagreeing with the facts, be it that your rotation threw a grand total of 525 innings last season from the top 4 guys, is a different story altogether. There's a big difference between that, and say, our healthy top 4 which threw 756 innings. That's why I think it's a legitimate question as to which of your guys would be healthy going into next year, especially the playoffs. We know Santana is injured, we know guys like De La Rosa won't be as good coming off TJ, Pettite is at a stage where he's probably not a solid be for significantly more than 100+ innings (the year he retired he threw 129). I've watched Marcum most of his career, I know he's got all these arm problems and he rarely goes deep into the season (and the one year he did, he got rocked in the playoffs cause he was dead tired). Those are 3 critical guys you're relying on for the playoffs who are just massive question marks, and it just seems like nobody has pointed that out.

Anyways, I just thought I'd clear up what I meant.

Edit: And I'll stop here, so again, congrats.

hammerinhank
12-04-2012, 09:11 AM
The fact that you didn't say anything about why your team should win but instead why his team should lose is what I thought was bs. Its fine to state your opinion and bash his team but why don't you at least tell us why your team is so good?

Twitchy
12-04-2012, 12:29 PM
That's a fair point. I thought I did mention the superiority in the pen (closing experience, depth of the pen, lefty/righty matchups and guys capable of going multiple innings) as well as the fact the rotation was more dominant. Probably could have used more stats to explain it. I skimmed over the lineup which I shouldn't have done.

Thank you.

hammerinhank
12-04-2012, 01:00 PM
At the end of the day both teams did a great job and congrats to you both.

1-800-STFU
12-04-2012, 01:28 PM
I think both those teams are really MEH

This redraft had no rape trades and all very good GM's, thats what happens. All the teams are really well balanced.

DaSox_05
12-04-2012, 01:53 PM
El Paso Diablos got robbed!

Anyway congrats to the Jamaica J-Bays on winning the MLB Re-Draft.

JDIsMyGod23
12-04-2012, 02:01 PM
Closer than I thought it was going to be.

Nomar
12-04-2012, 02:34 PM
That Ramrod team should've won. They had a great team and the GMs had great bodies.

Super.
12-04-2012, 02:34 PM
It's a crock to point out that none of Jamaica's pitchers are remotely healthy and wouldn't last the season? I didn't realize pointing out the flaws in opposing teams was considered a faux pas. Especially when Pettite (75 innings) and Santana (117 in 2012) can't really be expected to make an impact in October at this point in their careers.

And if you want to argue post season effectiveness then let's not forget that Marcum and Latos were pretty brutal.

I'm not surprised by the voting but what I am surprised by is how everybody is just ignoring the fact that Jamaica's entire pitching staff are virtually all coming off major injuries in 2012. If you want to argue Stras is an injury risk go for it, but he was healthy for 2012, unlike De La Rosa (TJ) or Santana or Marcum or Pettite who all missed significant time due to injury.

Jamaica's lineup is good, but it's not good enough to overcome 4 major injuries like that.

Edit: Congrats to Jamaica on putting together a quality squad.

Unfortunately, we're to assume that each player is indeed healthy, no matter what you want to presume.

Pittz
12-04-2012, 03:56 PM
Closer than I thought it was going to be.

Same. I think VRP gave people too much credit. Luckily there were more smart people than stupid people ;)

Twitchy
12-04-2012, 04:19 PM
Unfortunately, we're to assume that each player is indeed healthy, no matter what you want to presume.

This is right from the rules, actually:


(2) Injuries: If a player has a history of injuries , a chronic injury issue, and/or is coming off a substantial injury (ie, just coming back from TJ, or a 2012 season injury or whatever) he is safe to be drafted, however, he is not to be treated as having a clean bill of health for 2013 in this draft. Example would be a guy like Grady Sizemore. He may very well be healthy in 2013 but based off his history he's a guy people are allowed to judge by their opinion on his health.

Since the redraft is over I'll unstick it.