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dnewguy
12-02-2012, 09:47 PM
From what you've seen so far which player will most likely be MVP? barring injury to the player or important teammates.

Personally I will want Bron to win it but it's looking like Durant's season.

Sactown
12-02-2012, 09:50 PM
Lbj

shep33
12-02-2012, 09:50 PM
Larry Sanders

dnewguy
12-02-2012, 09:51 PM
Lbj

More valuable to his team than Durant? That Thunder team is just not a play-off team without KD

Gram
12-02-2012, 09:51 PM
In before BlkynKnicks3 says Melo.

bucketss
12-02-2012, 09:53 PM
durant has been a boss

dnewguy
12-02-2012, 09:53 PM
In before BlkynKnicks3 says Melo.

Melo is MVP for NBA's second unit.

Raps08-09 Champ
12-02-2012, 09:53 PM
Durant so far.

Gram
12-02-2012, 09:53 PM
Melo is MVP for NBA's second unit.

You know it Raj. ;)

bucketss
12-02-2012, 09:56 PM
voters are gonna go with durant unless lebron does some thing we havent seen from him before.

Sactown
12-02-2012, 09:57 PM
More valuable to his team than Durant? That Thunder team is just not a play-off team without KD
Yes they are lol they'd just implement Kmart into the starting lineup to help

I'd take

Westbrook/Maynor
Kevin Martin/Lamb
Seph/PJIII?
Ibaka/Nick C.
Perks/ Thabeet

over

Mario/Norris
Wade/Allen
Miller/Lewis/
Battier/Haslem
Bosh/Joel

Especially with Wade's injury problems that are more than likely going to cause him to miss a substantial amount of time.

There's no play makers on Miami like their is on OKC, and without Lebron it kills everything Miami is doing on offense.

The way I really look at it is like this, Without Durant, OKC loses a huge scorer and a great defensive player.

Without Lebron Miami loses their, Playmaker, huge scorer, defensive anchor.

Mr.Nate30
12-02-2012, 10:06 PM
If Duncan keeps hes play up hell be in top 5

JNoel
12-02-2012, 10:06 PM
In before BlkynKnicks3 tries to convince us that Pablo Prigoni should be Mvp.

Matter.
12-02-2012, 10:08 PM
Kobe Bryant

Save me.

Bruno
12-02-2012, 10:09 PM
Durant.

this will probably be his year. the first of three of four.

Ill21
12-02-2012, 10:10 PM
In before someone makes another stupid Knicks joke

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 10:12 PM
durant right this second. but if miami finished with the top seed in the NBA and okc doesn't get in the top 3 then i think lbj can take it. but voters are looking for a reason to give it to someone else and durant is certainly making a case

NYYCowboys
12-02-2012, 10:15 PM
Right now my top 5 for MVP would be:

1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. CP3
4. Duncan
5. Melo

LoveMeOrHateMe
12-02-2012, 10:19 PM
It will be between these 5 at the end

Lebron
Kobe
Durant
Cp3
Howard

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 10:21 PM
It will be between these 5 at the end

Lebron
Kobe
Durant
Cp3
Howard

no chance kobe gets it unless the lakers get a better record than okc. then maybe kobe might have a chance.

Max.This
12-02-2012, 10:21 PM
Dwayne Wade.

MELO 15
12-02-2012, 10:28 PM
U guys are ridiculous, have u not watched Melo play, and what he is doing. He could end up winning the scoring title, and he is playing exceptional defense. Plus the knicks have one of the best records in the NBA. A lot of haters on this forum. And im not a homer either, cause when Melo is doing poorly id be the first to admit it, but i can tell u that Melo is top three MVP

NYYCowboys
12-02-2012, 10:29 PM
It will be between these 5 at the end

Lebron
Kobe
Durant
Cp3
Howard

Nah usually the winner is on a good team.

Ebbs
12-02-2012, 10:29 PM
LeBron

jmoney85
12-02-2012, 10:32 PM
U guys are ridiculous, have u not watched Melo play, and what he is doing. He could end up winning the scoring title, and he is playing exceptional defense. Plus the knicks have one of the best records in the NBA. A lot of haters on this forum. And im not a homer either, cause when Melo is doing poorly id be the first to admit it, but i can tell u that Melo is top three MVP

username is "melo 15" but hes not a homer lol

Minimal
12-02-2012, 10:34 PM
A lot of people say Durant, but imo there is no reasoning to put Durant over LeBron right now. LeBron puts up greater numbers and his team has a better record.

Although I think media will support Durant a lot this year and Durant will end up with the MVP award.

My top 5 right now:
1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Duncan
4. CP3
5. Melo

Bishnoff
12-02-2012, 10:36 PM
LeBron.

Il Mago50
12-02-2012, 10:39 PM
Cp3

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 10:43 PM
username is "melo 15" but hes not a homer lol

:laugh:

tredigs
12-02-2012, 10:50 PM
A lot of people say Durant, but imo there is no reasoning to put Durant over LeBron right now. LeBron puts up greater numbers and his team has a better record.

Although I think media will support Durant a lot this year and Durant will end up with the MVP award.

My top 5 right now:
1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Duncan
4. CP3
5. Melo

Better record? It's 12-3 to 14-4. That's not even a mentionable difference.

Durant has the better offensive and defensive rating, higher offensive and defensive win shares (leads the league in both) + WS/48 and more points per game on a higher TS%. There's definitely plenty of stats in his favor. Could argue Lebron's 2 apg difference and sliver advantage in PER (.3 ahead) and rebounding (both just under 9pg). But overall I'd say KD has the better numbers.

JNoel
12-02-2012, 10:51 PM
It will be between these 5 at the end

Lebron
Kobe
Durant
Cp3
Howard

Nah usually the winner is on a good team.

:laugh:

MELO 15
12-02-2012, 10:51 PM
username is "melo 15" but hes not a homer lol

Dont get me wrong, Melo is my boy but as I mentioned b4 when Melo isn't playing up to par or is screwing up im the first to get on him. Like my kids 4 example, when they are doing good in school I acknowledge it, but when they are not I let them know as well. And in the case of being MVP, my son has made me proud thus far. If u guys can't. Admit to it than u are haters, as I mentioned b4 top 3.

LoveMeOrHateMe
12-02-2012, 10:54 PM
Nah usually the winner is on a good team.

I didn't realize the season was almost over

dnewguy
12-02-2012, 10:58 PM
I didn't realize the season was almost over

He didn't even mention the Lakers :)

More-Than-Most
12-02-2012, 11:03 PM
Homer pick Jrue

Matter.
12-02-2012, 11:04 PM
Landry Fields, Raptors cant win without him.

KnickaBocka.44
12-02-2012, 11:04 PM
Kd

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-02-2012, 11:05 PM
Jerry Stackhouse.

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-02-2012, 11:06 PM
U guys are ridiculous, have u not watched Melo play, and what he is doing. He could end up winning the scoring title, and he is playing exceptional defense. Plus the knicks have one of the best records in the NBA. A lot of haters on this forum. And im not a homer either, cause when Melo is doing poorly id be the first to admit it, but i can tell u that Melo is top three MVP

Jesus man c'mon.. For the sake of your fellow fans (I'm not a Knicks fan)

Exceptional defense? Please.

OG "Dee" LOCc
12-02-2012, 11:09 PM
Melo if people actually watch the way he's been playing its incredible today he showed it the most, he was diving on the floor, blocking shots, getting assists, rebounds

he's brought his game higher by playing filling up the stat sheet. As long as the Knicks continue to win I think he can win it, but the other obvious candidates are cp3, lebron, durant

tredigs
12-02-2012, 11:16 PM
This is how basketball-reference has it right now based on their prediction model:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/mvp.cgi


Rk ▴ Player Tm W L W-L% G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 Kevin Durant OKC 14 4 .778 18 18 39.0 8.5 16.6 .512 1.6 3.6 .438 7.6 8.5 .895 0.7 8.0 8.7 4.3 1.6 1.6 3.4 1.5 26.2
2 LeBron James MIA 12 3 .800 15 15 37.3 9.7 18.3 .533 1.4 3.2 .438 3.9 5.9 .659 1.5 7.3 8.9 6.5 1.1 0.9 2.5 1.9 24.7
3 Marc Gasol MEM 12 3 .800 15 15 36.5 5.6 11.1 .503 0.0 0.1 .000 4.7 5.2 .897 2.2 4.9 7.1 4.4 0.7 1.4 1.5 3.3 15.9
4 Tim Duncan SAS 14 4 .778 17 17 31.3 7.6 14.1 .538 0.1 0.2 .667 3.6 4.7 .775 1.9 8.1 10.1 2.6 0.9 2.4 1.5 1.9 18.9
5 Westbrook OKC 14 4 .778 18 18 35.8 7.4 17.9 .415 1.4 4.2 .347 4.3 5.6 .772 1.4 3.7 5.1 8.7 2.1 0.3 3.4 2.7 20.7
6 Chris Bosh MIA 12 3 .800 15 15 33.7 6.9 12.6 .550 0.1 0.8 .167 5.3 6.1 .868 2.3 5.6 7.9 1.3 0.7 1.4 1.9 2.4 19.3
7 Mike Conley MEM 12 3 .800 14 14 34.0 5.4 10.8 .497 1.8 3.9 .463 2.8 3.4 .830 0.6 2.2 2.8 6.7 2.6 0.3 3.0 2.1 15.3
8 Zach Randolph MEM 12 3 .800 15 15 36.3 6.3 13.6 .466 0.0 0.2 .000 3.7 4.9 .753 4.9 7.9 12.7 1.5 0.7 0.5 2.4 2.5 16.3
9 Chris Paul LAC 10 6 .625 16 16 33.9 5.6 11.7 .481 1.0 2.9 .348 4.1 4.6 .892 0.6 3.1 3.7 9.3 2.7 0.0 2.3 2.8 16.4
10 Carmelo Anthony NYK 11 4 .733 15 15 35.3 9.1 19.3 .469 2.2 5.0 .440 5.7 7.3 .789 2.1 4.9 7.0 2.1 0.7 0.5 3.0 3.2 26.1

b@llhog24
12-02-2012, 11:18 PM
Nah usually the winner is on a good team.

:burn:

BklynKnicks3
12-02-2012, 11:24 PM
Melo is the clear mvp but lebron will win because people forgot what the award really means if ur team is a 45 to 50 win team without u u are not a mvp

naps
12-02-2012, 11:38 PM
LeBron.

Durant is the only one that can take it from LeBron eventually. I don't see anyone else with a realistic chance.

Thunder-Sooner
12-02-2012, 11:40 PM
Melo is the clear mvp but lebron will win because people forgot what the award really means if ur team is a 45 to 50 win team without u u are not a mvp

Nobody can be a clear MVP this far into the season.

Sactown
12-02-2012, 11:42 PM
Nobody can be a clear MVP this far into the season.
But fans can be clear bone-headed homers this early

JordansBulls
12-02-2012, 11:47 PM
It will be Durant unless Miami has a much better record than OKC or unless Lebron's numbers blow Durant's out of the water like last year. Otherwise Durant will get it and if not Durant, maybe Duncan to be the oldest player ever to win mvp.

Quietmoney
12-02-2012, 11:53 PM
You guys do know that at the moment, the Knicks are a half game back of top seed in the east and Melo is averaging more points than Lebron or Durant. He has the Knicks right there in the standings and the Knicks have been short handed all season while the Heat and Thunder have been completely healthy. The way people hate on Melo is just crazy! Melo's team smacks Lebron and co. and people make all sorts of excuses. Knicks playing better ball than the Heat and have had a harder schedule thus far.

Baller1
12-02-2012, 11:58 PM
You guys do know that at the moment, the Knicks are a half game back of top seed in the east and Melo is averaging more points than Lebron or Durant. He has the Knicks right there in the standings and the Knicks have been short handed all season while the Heat and Thunder have been completely healthy. The way people hate on Melo is just crazy! Melo's team smacks Lebron and co. and people make all sorts of excuses. Knicks playing better ball than the Heat and have had a harder schedule thus far.

Melo isn't even top 5 in the MVP race as of now.

1-2. Lebron and Durant
3. Kobe
4. Duncan

Everyone else. That's how it stands right now.

bucketss
12-03-2012, 12:05 AM
U guys are ridiculous, have u not watched Melo play, and what he is doing. He could end up winning the scoring title, and he is playing exceptional defense. Plus the knicks have one of the best records in the NBA. A lot of haters on this forum. And im not a homer either, cause when Melo is doing poorly id be the first to admit it, but i can tell u that Melo is top three MVP

look at your name bruh?

bucketss
12-03-2012, 12:08 AM
Melo if people actually watch the way he's been playing its incredible today he showed it the most, he was diving on the floor, blocking shots, getting assists, rebounds

he's brought his game higher by playing filling up the stat sheet. As long as the Knicks continue to win I think he can win it, but the other obvious candidates are cp3, lebron, durant

hes been playing well but other guys have been playing better cuuh.

bucketss
12-03-2012, 12:10 AM
You guys do know that at the moment, the Knicks are a half game back of top seed in the east and Melo is averaging more points than Lebron or Durant. He has the Knicks right there in the standings and the Knicks have been short handed all season while the Heat and Thunder have been completely healthy. The way people hate on Melo is just crazy! Melo's team smacks Lebron and co. and people make all sorts of excuses. Knicks playing better ball than the Heat and have had a harder schedule thus far.

hardens team smacked the knicks

harden mvp

ChickenSouvlaki
12-03-2012, 12:22 AM
I think Melo should be MVP because he plays for the Knicks. #knicksareback #logic #Melo4DPOY

Hoopsadvocate
12-03-2012, 12:26 AM
Durant still is not close to the defensive impact lebron has or nearly as good of a playmakers lebron is hes a better scorer but the thunder without him are still a playoff team.

Lebron shouldnt be punished for having more talented players around him. He is still hands down the best player in the world.

The MVP is his until they get tired of giving it to him all the time. /thread

Baller1
12-03-2012, 12:33 AM
Durant still is not close to the defensive impact lebron has or nearly as good of a playmakers lebron is hes a better scorer but the thunder without him are still a playoff team.

Lebron shouldnt be punished for having more talented players around him. He is still hands down the best player in the world.

The MVP is his until they get tired of giving it to him all the time. /thread

Durant has been just as good as Lebron on defense so far this season.

tredigs
12-03-2012, 12:46 AM
Durant has been just as good as Lebron on defense so far this season.

Durant has been better on defense.

The fact that he leads the league in defensive win shares (Duncan, Howard, Noah and Hibbert rounding out the top 5) is not an anomaly. He's holding opponents PER production to a miniscule 9.9 (18 for Lebron) against him and is the only one getting you 1.5+ stls and 1.5+ blks a night. Lebron's still a more dynamic defender against multiple positions, but KD has been killing it.

ChickenSouvlaki
12-03-2012, 01:24 AM
Durant has been better on defense.

The fact that he leads the league in defensive win shares (Duncan, Howard, Noah and Hibbert rounding out the top 5) is not an anomaly. He's holding opponents PER production to a miniscule 9.9 (18 for Lebron) against him and is the only one getting you 1.5+ stls and 1.5+ blks a night. Lebron's still a more dynamic defender against multiple positions, but KD has been killing it.

Correct me if I'm wrong here but could that be because he is guarding weaker opponents than Lebron is? Since Sefolosha plays alongside Durant you would think he would often take on the opponents best wing player leaving Durant on someone else whereas Lebron guards the best player every night especially with Battier out.

NYYCowboys
12-03-2012, 01:30 AM
Melo isn't even top 5 in the MVP race as of now.

1-2. Lebron and Durant
3. Kobe
4. Duncan

Everyone else. That's how it stands right now.

Everyone talks about Melo maintaining his numbers, and it only being 16 games, but no one says this about Kobe, who is getting up there in age. He is posting BY FAR the best TS% and FG% of his career. I doubt he is able to sustain this over a full season.

Hawkeye15
12-03-2012, 01:30 AM
Durant is crushing it.

29$JerZ
12-03-2012, 01:33 AM
Melo only gets MVP if the Knicks win their division and get a 2nd/3rd seed.
Even then Durant/LeBron will still be the likely favorites.

Big Zo
12-03-2012, 01:39 AM
You guys do know that at the moment, the Knicks are a half game back of top seed in the east and Melo is averaging more points than Lebron or Durant. He has the Knicks right there in the standings and the Knicks have been short handed all season while the Heat and Thunder have been completely healthy. The way people hate on Melo is just crazy! Melo's team smacks Lebron and co. and people make all sorts of excuses. Knicks playing better ball than the Heat and have had a harder schedule thus far.

Dwyane Wade and Shane Battier say hi.

Baller1
12-03-2012, 01:40 AM
Everyone talks about Melo maintaining his numbers, and it only being 16 games, but no one says this about Kobe, who is getting up there in age. He is posting BY FAR the best TS% and FG% of his career. I doubt he is able to sustain this over a full season.

I don't think he will keep it up either, but as of now he's been great. Although his percentages are already starting to dip.

Realistically, it's Lebron's or Durant's this season. No one else has much of a shot unless they both get injured.

QueensG_718
12-03-2012, 05:17 AM
You guys do know that at the moment, the Knicks are a half game back of top seed in the east and Melo is averaging more points than Lebron or Durant. He has the Knicks right there in the standings and the Knicks have been short handed all season while the Heat and Thunder have been completely healthy. The way people hate on Melo is just crazy! Melo's team smacks Lebron and co. and people make all sorts of excuses. Knicks playing better ball than the Heat and have had a harder schedule thus far.

Melo isn't even top 5 in the MVP race as of now.

1-2. Lebron and Durant
3. Kobe
4. Duncan

Everyone else. That's how it stands right now.

Way to totally dismiss quietmoneys whole post. Close minded fool

RapOZo
12-03-2012, 06:03 AM
so far durant, lebron, cp3 or duncan

but lakers will settle in, and end up with over 45 wins, if kobe keeps scoring 26+ on .500 he'll get it.

sammyvine
12-03-2012, 07:10 AM
Don't people want a new winner? Are you not bored of Lebron winning it every year.

Same with Messi in football. I want someone else now, wouldn't mind either Durant or Anthony/

sammyvine
12-03-2012, 07:11 AM
A lot of people say Durant, but imo there is no reasoning to put Durant over LeBron right now. LeBron puts up greater numbers and his team has a better record.

Although I think media will support Durant a lot this year and Durant will end up with the MVP award.

My top 5 right now:
1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Duncan
4. CP3
5. Melo

Lebron plays on a far better team and the easier conference.

Lebron plays with Wade, Bosh and might have the best 6th man in Ray Allen.
Durant and Melo don't play with as good players. Westbrook is good but i actually thinks he harms Durants stats with the chucker that he is.

benzni
12-03-2012, 09:26 AM
I think Reggie Evans is gonna win

NYKnickFanatic
12-03-2012, 10:56 AM
In before BlkynKnicks3 says Melo.

Lol Melo

Gram
12-03-2012, 11:17 AM
Lol Melo

:hi5:

NYKnickFanatic
12-03-2012, 11:25 AM
:hi5:

:cheers:

Baller1
12-03-2012, 01:44 PM
Way to totally dismiss quietmoneys whole post. Close minded fool

Hahaha, read the whole post. He said "Melo scores more points and the Knicks are winning".

Durant scores more and has a better record. :laugh2:

Then we can get into the superior efficiency, superior passing, superior rebounding, superior defense, superior statistics, superior everything...

SINCESTARBURY25
12-03-2012, 01:49 PM
Melo or Rondo.

ManRam
12-03-2012, 01:55 PM
Don't people want a new winner? Are you not bored of Lebron winning it every year.

Same with Messi in football. I want someone else now, wouldn't mind either Durant or Anthony/

I don't think that should matter. Give it to the guy that deserves, regardless if it pleases people or not.

BklynKnicks3
12-03-2012, 02:17 PM
durant n lebron both have to much help to be mvps its Melo clearly. That said the league will give to the coward

Thunder-Sooner
12-03-2012, 03:11 PM
durant n lebron both have to much help to be mvps its Melo clearly. That said the league will give to the coward

That does not make any sense at all.

Ciruam
12-03-2012, 03:13 PM
Durant scores more and has a better record. :laugh2:

Then we can get into the superior efficiency, superior passing, superior rebounding, superior defense, superior statistics, superior everything...[/QUOTE]

Doesn't durant have better players around him than Melo?? Melo is doing everything people said he should be doing and better and still getting criticize smh.

Baller1
12-03-2012, 03:46 PM
Doesn't durant have better players around him than Melo?? Melo is doing everything people said he should be doing and better and still getting criticize smh.

When did I criticize him? He's not as good as Durant or Lebron, that's just fact.

Deezy3
12-03-2012, 05:31 PM
Zach Randolph

Ciruam
12-05-2012, 11:39 AM
When did I criticize him? He's not as good as Durant or Lebron, that's just fact.

No you didn't critize him, sorry I just read every other post and group it in. As far as not being better than James I can agree to an extent. Lebron is an once in a lifetime player like MJ but Melo seems to have no problem matching up with him. Talent wise I think Melo Does more now than Durant. Overall MVP is most valuable player in the league and most importantly to their team. Take all three of their Team. Okc and Miami would be better than the Knicks.Thus Melo Having More Of an Impact on his team.

justinnum1
12-05-2012, 11:43 AM
Durant>melo

and it's not close.

D-Leethal
12-05-2012, 11:44 AM
Since when does the best player win MVP? Rose wasn't the best, Nash wasn't the best, Barkley wasn't the best, David Robinson wasn't the best, Dirk wasn't the best.

Its all about the sexy pick on the surprise team. Melo fits the bill this year. MVP is more of a beauty contest than a best player award.

bucketss
12-05-2012, 11:49 AM
No you didn't critize him, sorry I just read every other post and group it in. As far as not being better than James I can agree to an extent. Lebron is an once in a lifetime player like MJ but Melo seems to have no problem matching up with him. Talent wise I think Melo Does more now than Durant. Overall MVP is most valuable player in the league and most importantly to their team. Take all three of their Team. Okc and Miami would be better than the Knicks.Thus Melo Having More Of an Impact on his team.

if that how mvps went by than dwight howard would have two mvps by now.

lol, please
12-05-2012, 01:51 PM
From what you've seen so far which player will most likely be MVP? barring injury to the player or important teammates.

Personally I will want Bron to win it but it's looking like Durant's season.

DLee.

GiantsSwaGG
12-05-2012, 01:57 PM
Melo>Wade

xxplayerxx23
12-05-2012, 01:58 PM
1-Durant
2-Lebron
3-Duncan
4-Melo
5-Cp3
MVP mean most valuable to there team. Without Durant how many games does OKC win? Without Melo how many games do the Knicks win? Etc.

xxplayerxx23
12-05-2012, 01:59 PM
Durant is better then Melo but that doesn't mean Melo can't win MVP. To be clear I don't think Melo will win it.

Blitzbolt
12-05-2012, 02:08 PM
As in today guys like Duncan and ZBO should be top 5.

But at the end of the day Lebron KD Cp3 are the top 3 one of them will win it.

mngopher35
12-05-2012, 02:38 PM
To people saying Lebron doesn't mean a ton to the heat I disagree. That team seems built around him, and with wades overall play this year he is doing alot. Without james they lose the ability to dominate with small ball. Lebron covers them rebounding and defensively big time and I think they struggle without him. Not saying hes the most valuable just that what he brings is very important to that heat team.

That said I think right now Durant, Lebron, Melo, and Kobe (if the record improves) are all still in the running for sure, cp3 and duncan hanging around as well.

GiantsSwaGG
12-05-2012, 03:29 PM
Durant is winning it this year and rightfully so

nycericanguy
12-05-2012, 03:53 PM
So far its been Melo. He's led his team to a 12-4 record without any offensive help.

LBJ has Bosh & Wade, Durant has Westbrook & Martin.

Melo has literally had no other player even scoring 16ppg. I'm not a huge Melo fan, but I don't see how you can put anyone else above him right now.

mngopher35
12-05-2012, 04:41 PM
So far its been Melo. He's led his team to a 12-4 record without any offensive help.

LBJ has Bosh & Wade, Durant has Westbrook & Martin.

Melo has literally had no other player even scoring 16ppg. I'm not a huge Melo fan, but I don't see how you can put anyone else above him right now.

Points are only one part of the game, and the Knicks have a pretty balanced scoring attack. No they don't have star scorers like Miami but play a great team game. Not saying Melo doesnt carry the biggest scoring load of the candidates, just explaining that not having another star scorer doesn't mean much when there are enough players putting up points efficeintly. Melo currently is averaging more turnovers than assists and his defense has never been his strong suit. I agree he should be mentioned as a candidate but I don't think its clearly him at this point.

Baller1
12-05-2012, 04:46 PM
I never thought I'd actually give Durant the Lebron over the edge and believe what I was saying, but it's come to that. Right now, Durant is the MVP over Lebron.

1. Durant
2. Lebron


That's it.

NYY 26 to 7
12-05-2012, 04:53 PM
December just started and there is what about 65 games left per team. Yea maybe midseason you start considering MVP talk.

nycericanguy
12-05-2012, 05:18 PM
Points are only one part of the game, and the Knicks have a pretty balanced scoring attack. No they don't have star scorers like Miami but play a great team game. Not saying Melo doesnt carry the biggest scoring load of the candidates, just explaining that not having another star scorer doesn't mean much when there are enough players putting up points efficeintly. Melo currently is averaging more turnovers than assists and his defense has never been his strong suit. I agree he should be mentioned as a candidate but I don't think its clearly him at this point.

Melo's defense has been very solid for a while now...

The whole "melo doesn't play defense" thing is getting kinda old.

Like you said, Melo is carrying the biggest load on a 12-4 team... so to me he is the MVP so far.

justinnum1
12-05-2012, 05:42 PM
I never thought I'd actually give Durant the Lebron over the edge and believe what I was saying, but it's come to that. Right now, Durant is the MVP over Lebron.

1. Durant
2. Lebron


That's it.

Agree

Ciruam
12-05-2012, 05:44 PM
if that how mvps went by than dwight howard would have two mvps by now.

Then what's your criteria??

mngopher35
12-05-2012, 06:00 PM
Melo's defense has been very solid for a while now...

The whole "melo doesn't play defense" thing is getting kinda old.

Like you said, Melo is carrying the biggest load on a 12-4 team... so to me he is the MVP so far.

I said carrying the scoring load. He is scoring less efficiently then durant and james (close to james), and is basically tied in ppg with durant. Then you get to distributing and Lebron destroys him and Durant has been much better. So you could easily make an argument that both Durant and Lebron have been better offensively as a whole than Melo even though he is averaging the most ppg. Then you get to defense where I mentioned Melo isnt known for his defense. I didn't mean to say he has been bad on that end, just that he isn't better than durant or Lebron (the people hes competing with) so he gains no ground. I have it 1. Durant 2. Lebron 3. Melo. You can flip the order if you want but I was pointing out there are others in the league who have just as good or a stronger claim right now.

Mr Costanza
12-05-2012, 06:20 PM
Looking at it just through the whopping 15-20 games played it would idiotic to say Melo isn't a candidate. Yeah Lebron and Durant are the easy choice as front runners (rightfully so) but Melo thus far has led his team to the best record in the east. To not have him in the discussion is just silly and says you either haven't watched him play this year or you are blinded by your hate of the Knicks.

nycericanguy
12-05-2012, 06:24 PM
I said carrying the scoring load. He is scoring less efficiently then durant and james (close to james), and is basically tied in ppg with durant. Then you get to distributing and Lebron destroys him and Durant has been much better. So you could easily make an argument that both Durant and Lebron have been better offensively as a whole than Melo even though he is averaging the most ppg. Then you get to defense where I mentioned Melo isnt known for his defense. I didn't mean to say he has been bad on that end, just that he isn't better than durant or Lebron (the people hes competing with) so he gains no ground. I have it 1. Durant 2. Lebron 3. Melo. You can flip the order if you want but I was pointing out there are others in the league who have just as good or a stronger claim right now.

If you want to make the MVP just who has the best stats then yes Durant & Lebron have better stats. But I don't think MVP should go just by stats, if thats the case just give it to LBJ every year. Rose won it even though he didn't have the best stats, and Jordan would have about 10 MVP's if thats all it were based on.

BTW Melo is scoring on par or more than Durant or Lebron in substantially less MPG since NY is having so many blowouts.

LBJ is clearly on another level defensively, but I don't see how you can say Durant has been better defensively.

mngopher35
12-05-2012, 06:44 PM
If you want to make the MVP just who has the best stats then yes Durant & Lebron have better stats. But I don't think MVP should go just by stats, if thats the case just give it to LBJ every year. Rose won it even though he didn't have the best stats, and Jordan would have about 10 MVP's if thats all it were based on.

BTW Melo is scoring on par or more than Durant or Lebron in substantially less MPG since NY is having so many blowouts.

LBJ is clearly on another level defensively, but I don't see how you can say Durant has been better defensively.

It doesn't have to be just stats. I'm pointing out that Melo is the least efficient scorer of the three, is a much worse distributor, and is worse or the same on defense. Yes he should be in the conversation because hes the leader of a top team but the other two are playing great as well. You said in your first post I quoted something like "its melo and i dont see how anyone else can be ahead of him". I'm just pointing out that those two arguably have had better individual years than melo, and many people have them in the top 2. If They all keep up this play and NY ends up with the best record of the three he will obviously have a solid case, but for now Lebron and Durant have played better.