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BklynKnicks3
12-02-2012, 04:49 PM
how is that 17th rank working out for them? Someone should be held accountable for this. Melo finally has a good team around him and look at the results most games are over in the 3rd qtr. #3tothehead #knickstape #balldontlie

JNoel
12-02-2012, 04:51 PM
What?

Im_in_Mia_bish
12-02-2012, 04:51 PM
last season, he was in the 15-20 range. i personally ranked him 7 based off of his talent tho, but based on last years production, 15-20 is where he is at dude.

and it's ESPN owes 'Melo AN apology lol

NYKnickFanatic
12-02-2012, 04:54 PM
Ban this guy from making threads please.

rocket
12-02-2012, 04:54 PM
Oh my god ****ing close the NBA forum. Can't believe how people like this are allowed to make threads

bucketss
12-02-2012, 04:55 PM
lol this guy is obsessed with melo.

chicagocubsfan
12-02-2012, 04:55 PM
#thisisnttwitterbrah #pleasestop

topdog
12-02-2012, 04:57 PM
"Held accountable" :laugh2: What because they may have collectively bruised his giant ego if he even bothered to follow the silly thing?

JNoel
12-02-2012, 04:58 PM
#Inbeforeban

calibird707
12-02-2012, 04:58 PM
Stop it....no wonder errybody hates us knicks fans

Green_Monster
12-02-2012, 04:59 PM
Oh my god ****ing close the NBA forum. Can't believe how people like this are allowed to make threads

This.

Some people need to be banned from making threads.

thekmp211
12-02-2012, 05:00 PM
lol wow.

dee279
12-02-2012, 05:08 PM
from ESPN


On the behalf of ESPN, we would like to show our deepest concern to Carmelo. Obviously, him and some of his fans were butt hurt by our rankings of NBA players. We would like to apologize... But we wont. The guy plays no defense and made it out the second round of the playoffs how many times? The writer of those rankings will be getting a raise.

Avenged
12-02-2012, 05:12 PM
Saying "Melo finally has a good team around him and look at the results" doesn't help your argument on Melo ranking 17.. You're saying he needs a good team for these results?? Hmmm.

Ebbs
12-02-2012, 05:14 PM
Melo is definitely better than 17 but when he had a career worst season last year not sure ESPN owes you anything.

Pakman
12-02-2012, 05:15 PM
from ESPN


On the behalf of ESPN, we would like to show our deepest concern to Carmelo. Obviously, him and some of his fans were butt hurt by our rankings of NBA players. We would like to apologize... But we wont. The guy plays no defense and made it out the second round of the playoffs how many times? The writer of those rankings will be getting a raise. lol clap

KnickaBocka.44
12-02-2012, 05:17 PM
BklynKnicks3: Giving Knicks fans a bad rep on PSD since November 2010.

Hawkeye15
12-02-2012, 05:20 PM
Melo has had a good team around him every year of his career.....

He is playing like a top 10 player right now, but remember what I have always said about Melo. He will have a 10 game stretch that makes him look as good as anyone in the league, and then he flakes out for 15 games. His consistency has always been his handicap, I see no reason why it won't be again. Let him prove it over 82, not 15.

ManRam
12-02-2012, 05:21 PM
how is that 17th rank working out for them? Someone should be held accountable for this. Melo finally has a good team around him and look at the results most games are over in the 3rd qtr. #3tothehead #knickstape #balldontlie

Go away.

Mr_Jones
12-02-2012, 05:21 PM
from ESPN

I feel like that was completely made up and not true at all!

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 05:22 PM
how is that 17th rank working out for them? Someone should be held accountable for this. Melo finally has a good team around him and look at the results most games are over in the 3rd qtr. #3tothehead #knickstape #balldontlie

He's not that good, get over it.

LA>WORLD___KOBE
12-02-2012, 05:22 PM
Melo defense still sucks and will always suck.......dont you notice every game they lose its because his defense.....hes to lazy on defense

Gram
12-02-2012, 05:23 PM
Oh my goodness! More of this crap? :facepalm:

Lol Bk3, stop making terrible threads! :laugh2:

ManRam
12-02-2012, 05:24 PM
The real question is: why in the world would Melo care about anything like this? Why do you even care about some trivial ranking?

JNoel
12-02-2012, 05:24 PM
Oh my goodness! More of this crap? :facepalm:

Lol Bk3, stop making terrible threads! :laugh2:

This x1000000000

Gram
12-02-2012, 05:27 PM
I impose a sanction on this forum that everytime BklynKnicks3 makes a thread, the only thing people can reply with is "Lol Melo".

Sanction approved...

Sactown
12-02-2012, 05:30 PM
Melo doesn't make my top 50

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-02-2012, 05:31 PM
11-27 today...?

Kashmir13579
12-02-2012, 05:31 PM
BKLYN are you trying to jinx us? STFU

'Melo had a standard 'Melo game today. nuff said.

Kashmir13579
12-02-2012, 05:32 PM
He's not that good, get over it.

Better than Wade. :laugh2:

IndiansFan337
12-02-2012, 05:32 PM
I think that's where he belongs even now that his team is doing well. Those that were ranking him top 5-10 at the time he was traded from Denver to NYK were buying into the hype and overrating him. He's a good player, for sure. But he needs a lot of help because he doesn't do a lot of the little things that all around superstars like Kobe and LBJ do.

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 05:38 PM
Better than Wade. :laugh2:

he has been so far this season. but thats not saying much. wade is our 2nd best player. congrats. the best player on your team has looked better than miami's 2nd best player. To bad you don't win anything for that tho.

mavwar53
12-02-2012, 05:38 PM
how is that 17th rank working out for them? Someone should be held accountable for this. Melo finally has a good team around him and look at the results most games are over in the 3rd qtr. #3tothehead #knickstape #balldontlie

Awe did they hurt your feelings???

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 05:39 PM
Awe did they hurt your feelings???

Of course his feelings are hurt. this is the guy that thinks melo is on jordans level...

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-02-2012, 05:41 PM
Of course his feelings are hurt. this is the guy that thinks melo is on jordans level...

Most Knicks fans do

Alayla
12-02-2012, 05:41 PM
how is that 17th rank working out for them? Someone should be held accountable for this. Melo finally has a good team around him and look at the results most games are over in the 3rd qtr. #3tothehead #knickstape #balldontlie

the thing about mello is... he hasn't had a bad team since at least 2006 while its true that team play has nothing to do with individual play he has a nasty habit of making other players worse and never fitting in with what his team is doing and it makes him and his team much worse.

StarvingKnick22
12-02-2012, 05:42 PM
Saying "Melo finally has a good team around him and look at the results" doesn't help your argument on Melo ranking 17.. You're saying he needs a good team for these results?? Hmmm.

This.
Plus The ranking was made before the season even started.

JasonJohnHorn
12-02-2012, 05:45 PM
I can think of at least 20 players I'd rather build my team around than Melo. I don't think ESPN was off. Besides, they likely based that evaluation off his performance last season, in which case a ranking of 17 is quite flattering. NY is 5-4 over their last 9 games. Let us not pretend they are playing like champions just yet. Melo is playing very well right now, but there are a great many players in the NBA who bring as much, or more to the table than Melo.

BigBlueCrew
12-02-2012, 05:48 PM
Why are you even watching ESPN or going to espn.com?

waveycrockett
12-02-2012, 05:48 PM
Right now, this year Melo is a top-5 player. Point blank period. We'll see what happens when Amar'e comes back and how it affects his game but big props to him.

amos1er
12-02-2012, 05:53 PM
Saying "Melo finally has a good team around him and look at the results" doesn't help your argument on Melo ranking 17.. You're saying he needs a good team for these results?? Hmmm.

Exactly, Kobe had the worst roster in the NBA back in 2006 and was still hands down the best player in the league that year.

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 05:53 PM
I can think of at least 20 players I'd rather build my team around than Melo. I don't think ESPN was off. Besides, they likely based that evaluation off his performance last season, in which case a ranking of 17 is quite flattering. NY is 5-4 over their last 9 games. Let us not pretend they are playing like champions just yet. Melo is playing very well right now, but there are a great many players in the NBA who bring as much, or more to the table than Melo.

great point, they are basically beating up on the weakest teams.

SLY WILLIAMS
12-02-2012, 05:59 PM
Most Knicks fans do

Not Knicks fans that watched the games in the 80's and 90's.

I could not stand Jordan but he was the best I ever saw play.

GiantsSwaGG
12-02-2012, 06:04 PM
Better than Wade. :laugh2:

:laugh:

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 06:05 PM
it's taking wade playing the worst he has in a long time for melo to look better. llullz

wade will be better by seasons end, no doubt.

GiantsSwaGG
12-02-2012, 06:08 PM
Someone mad :laugh2:

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 06:08 PM
Someone mad :laugh2:

Best record in the east with wade playing like **** and miami in cruise control. So mad :cool:

Just waiting for the finals to see who miami faces from the west.

Enjoy those regular season wins kid.

BigBlueCrew
12-02-2012, 06:09 PM
it's taking wade playing the worst he has in a long time for melo to look better. llullz

wade will be better by seasons end, no doubt.

Is wade not being serious about the season either? :facepalm:

naps
12-02-2012, 06:10 PM
How's this guy still making threads?

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 06:13 PM
Is wade not being serious about the season either? :facepalm:

Hasn't been in a while. When you win a ring, you know it's all about the post season. If your a fan of a team that hasn't won one(in your lifetime at least) you wouldn't know.

BigBlueCrew
12-02-2012, 06:16 PM
Hasn't been in a while. When you win a ring, you know it's all about the post season. If your a fan of a team that hasn't won one(in your lifetime at least) you wouldn't know.

Oh I am [won championships], you can see in my username and in my sig. I know this "he's/we're not serious" crap is just a convenient excuse when you lose.

SteBO
12-02-2012, 06:17 PM
Melo has surpassed expectations through 16 games. The problem?..........It's only been 16 games. We'll see how everyone stacks up at seasons end and at this point it doesn't matter what Melo does in the regular season. It's the postseason that matters.....

GiantsSwaGG
12-02-2012, 06:19 PM
Best record in the east with wade playing like **** and miami in cruise control. So mad :cool:

Just waiting for the finals to see who miami faces from the west.

Enjoy those regular season wins kid.

:laugh: Awww you mad, best record by one game and dot forget how we embarrassed you guys to start the season. This without our best on ball defender in Shump. And with stat willing to come off the bench, the Knicks are capable of making a run.

Like how you use the cruise control excuse lol says a lot about your teams effort :laugh2:

:laugh:

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 06:21 PM
:laugh: Awww you mad, best record by one game and dot forget how we embarrassed you guys to start the season. This without our best on ball defender in Shump. And with stat willing to come off the bench, the Knicks are capable of making a run.

Like how you use the cruise control excuse lol says a lot about your teams effort :laugh2:

:laugh:

Yep, their effort is laughable. But their record isn't ;)

Are you going to bring up that one game all season long? Still havent shown us the trophy you guys won for that game.

Enjoy the regular season junior.

GiantsSwaGG
12-02-2012, 06:21 PM
Melo has surpassed expectations through 16 games. The problem?..........It's only been 16 games. We'll see how everyone stacks up at seasons end and at this point it doesn't matter what Melo does in the regular season. It's the postseason that matters.....

I agree with this, he's been playing super but he has ALOT to prove including in the postseason. This might be his only season where he has to prove he's the guy.

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 06:24 PM
who cares what melo does during the regular season? let's see him get out of the first round for the 2nd time in his career. Knicks are going to face one of the celtics, heat, or nets in the 2nd round and they most likely aren't going to be able to win. they already lost to the nets and no one honestly believes they can beat the heat. they better hope they meet the celtics or nets and someone is injured.

GiantsSwaGG
12-02-2012, 06:24 PM
Yep, their effort is laughable. But their record isn't ;)

Enjoy the regular season junior.

Knicks 12-4
Heat 12-3 including a spanking by the Knicks :laugh2:

Not that much of a difference. Enjoy the heat effort nearly losing to the Spurs backups :laugh:

And keep the insults coming, I would Insult you back, but you will run back to the mods like a girl and report me. I know ya tactics bud. Keep your troll, maybe I'll report you for baiting :laugh2:

GiantsSwaGG
12-02-2012, 06:26 PM
who cares what melo does during the regular season? let's see him get out of the first round for the 2nd time in his career. Knicks are going to face one of the celtics, heat, or nets in the 2nd round and they most likely aren't going to be able to win. they already lost to the nets and no one honestly believes they can beat the heat. they better hope they meet the celtics or nets and someone is injured.

The Heat nearly lost to the Spurs back ups, and we beat the spurs with their starters. But I agree Melo has to prove this in the post season. But for now he's playing super.

BigBlueCrew
12-02-2012, 06:26 PM
who cares what melo does during the regular season? let's see him get out of the first round for the 2nd time in his career. Knicks are going to face one of the celtics, heat, or nets in the 2nd round and they most likely aren't going to be able to win. they already lost to the nets and no one honestly believes they can beat the heat. they better hope they meet the celtics or nets and someone is injured.

Is this your expert analysis? :laugh2:

maybe you should be on ESPN

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 06:27 PM
The Heat nearly lost to the Spurs back ups, and we beat the spurs with their starters. But I agree Melo has to prove this in the post season. But for now he's playing super.

Guess you never heard of a team playing down to their opponent, is this your first season watching the NBA?


Is this your expert analysis? :laugh2:

maybe you should be on ESPN

That's the non knicks homer analysis.

GiantsSwaGG
12-02-2012, 06:27 PM
Is this your expert analysis? :laugh2:

maybe you should be on ESPN

:laugh:

NYY09
12-02-2012, 06:27 PM
Hasn't been in a while. When you win a ring, you know it's all about the post season. If your a fan of a team that hasn't won one(in your lifetime at least) you wouldn't know.

So what's worse? a pro athlete mailing it in for the reg. season cuz "only the post-season matters" or the fact that you not only think thats it's ok but you speak highly of it.

Anyway, for the most part you're amusing so whatever...

GiantsSwaGG
12-02-2012, 06:29 PM
Guess you never heard of a team playing down to their opponent, is this your first season watching the NBA?



That's the non knicks homer analysis.

Wow the great Heat team playing down to their opponent, say it ain't so. Never knew Heat can play like back ups. Lol

Love the effort!

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 06:29 PM
So what's worse? a pro athlete mailing it in for the reg. season cuz "only the post-season matters" or the fact that you not only think thats it's ok but you speak highly of it.

Anyway, for the most part you're amusing so whatever...

Whats worse is not winning a championship, let alone getting out of the first round.

GiantsSwaGG
12-02-2012, 06:29 PM
So what's worse? a pro athlete mailing it in for the reg. season cuz "only the post-season matters" or the fact that you not only think thats it's ok but you speak highly of it.

Anyway, for the most part you're amusing so whatever...

Lol it's not surprising

RangersMets
12-02-2012, 06:30 PM
Best record in the east with wade playing like **** and miami in cruise control. So mad :cool:

Just waiting for the finals to see who miami faces from the west.

Enjoy those regular season wins kid.

Pretty sure you're something around 18...

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 06:30 PM
Wow the great Heat team playing down to their opponent, say it ain't so. Never knew Heat can play like back ups. Lol

Love the effort!

Record don't lie.

GiantsSwaGG
12-02-2012, 06:31 PM
Record don't lie.

They don't, but they do mislead thou ;)

GiantsSwaGG
12-02-2012, 06:32 PM
Pretty sure you're something around 18...

:laugh: :laugh:

VinceCarter
12-02-2012, 06:33 PM
how is that 17th rank working out for them? Someone should be held accountable for this. Melo finally has a good team around him and look at the results most games are over in the 3rd qtr. #3tothehead #knickstape #balldontlie

#NobodyCares #iJustAtePizza

BigBlueCrew
12-02-2012, 06:33 PM
Guess you never heard of a team playing down to their opponent, is this your first season watching the NBA?
.

yes.....here's is the motto to all the fans who buy tickets to the '12-'13 Miami Heat season

We'll Win If We're Serious But Even We Dont When That Is

Bruno
12-02-2012, 06:33 PM
knick fans like the OP are going to be so pissed off when they find him on the second team behind Durant and James again.

Paul
Kobe
Durant
James
Howard

baring injury, that will be the 2013 first team.

GiantsSwaGG
12-02-2012, 06:35 PM
knick fans like the OP are going to be so pissed off when they find him on the second team behind Durant and James again.

Paul
Kobe
Durant
James
Howard

baring injury, that will be the 2013 first team.

Who cares thou? It's too the point we want rings now. Really doesn't matter if Melo is better than do guys.

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 06:35 PM
knick fans like the OP are going to be so pissed off when they find him on the second team behind Durant and James again.

Paul
Kobe
Durant
James
Howard

baring injury, that will be the 2013 first team.

why would they be pissed? on melos best days he is no where near durant or lebron. I dont think any knicks fans aside from maybe BklynKnicks3 thinks he is deriving of a first team selection. I think they just want to make it out of the first round. Or even win a few playoff games.

AI
12-02-2012, 06:36 PM
Justinum is basically the DMF of the Heat fanbase. If there's a Knick thread, he will be there trolling all day because he clearly has no life, 46K posts in 2 years. :laugh2:

JNoel
12-02-2012, 06:36 PM
Knicks are back, just rolls off the tongue doesn't it ;) LMFAO

xxplayerxx23
12-02-2012, 06:37 PM
Most Knicks fans do

You get mad when I say most net fans because of your 3 Trolls? And you do this very hypocritical if you ask me

NYY09
12-02-2012, 06:37 PM
Whats worse is not winning a championship, let alone getting out of the first round.

Yes, its absolutely groundbreaking to not win a championship without a championship caliber team.

VinceCarter
12-02-2012, 06:38 PM
:laugh: :laugh:

From what you've exhibited on this forum you are not any older...

JNoel
12-02-2012, 06:41 PM
Yes, its absolutely groundbreaking to not win a championship without a championship caliber team.

Lmao, so the Knicks aren't a championship caliber team with Amare, Melo, Chandler, Shumpert, Smith, Novak, Felton, Camby, Brewer, Kidd, and Sheed?

NYY09
12-02-2012, 06:43 PM
Lmao, so the Knicks aren't a championship caliber team with Amare, Melo, Chandler, Shumpert, Smith, Novak, Felton, Camby, Brewer, Kidd, and Sheed?

This years team could/should be. But thats not what I was referring to, neither was he.

gaughan333
12-02-2012, 06:43 PM
The NBA forum has become as much of a joke as the league itself. Are the majority of the people who post here 12? No one owes Melo anything. They gave their opinion. Every thread ends up with people using ******** slang and calling the other side homers.

AI
12-02-2012, 06:45 PM
The NBA forum has become as much of a joke as the league itself. Are the majority of the people who post here 12? No one owes Melo anything. They gave their opinion.

You do realize it's just one poster right? And a stupid one at that.

GiantsSwaGG
12-02-2012, 06:46 PM
Justinum is basically the DMF of the Heat fanbase. If there's a Knick thread, he will be there trolling all day because he clearly has no life, 46K posts in 2 years. :laugh2:

:laugh: :laugh:

GiantsSwaGG
12-02-2012, 06:47 PM
You get mad when I say most net fans because of your 3 Trolls? And you do this very hypocritical if you ask me

:clap:

NYSpirit1
12-02-2012, 06:48 PM
Melo has had a good team around him every year of his career.....

He is playing like a top 10 player right now, but remember what I have always said about Melo. He will have a 10 game stretch that makes him look as good as anyone in the league, and then he flakes out for 15 games. His consistency has always been his handicap, I see no reason why it won't be again. Let him prove it over 82, not 15.

Top Ten? He's playing Top 5 right now.

Gram
12-02-2012, 06:49 PM
Top Ten? He's playing Top 5 right now.

I thought you stopped posting...please stop posting again.

GiantsSwaGG
12-02-2012, 06:49 PM
Top Ten? He's playing Top 5 right now.

No he's not

Gram
12-02-2012, 06:51 PM
No he's not

Not sure if trolling. ;)

Gram
12-02-2012, 06:51 PM
And you're great at instigating the issue :laugh2:

It's an issue that you're bad at trolling? :laugh2:

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 06:51 PM
Top Ten? He's playing Top 5 right now.

Homer Alert

Gram
12-02-2012, 06:52 PM
Homer Alert

Are you not a Miami homer?

jscotty8
12-02-2012, 06:53 PM
Get on line behind the entire west coast.

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 06:53 PM
Are you not a Miami homer?

go check out the heat forum and all the posts i have of criticizing them. then you can tell me.

gaughan333
12-02-2012, 06:54 PM
You do realize it's just one poster right? And a stupid one at that.

Look at the posts following yours.

GiantsSwaGG
12-02-2012, 06:54 PM
It's an issue that you're bad at trolling? :laugh2:

Why do you care? :laugh2: am I your favorite poster to follow? You seem to find me a lot lately

Gram
12-02-2012, 06:54 PM
go check out the heat forum and all the posts i have of criticizing them. then you can tell me.

Don't shoot me officer! :laugh2: I was just asking, all you do is troll the Knicks and get mad at the Heat haters. :shrug:

AI
12-02-2012, 06:54 PM
Top Ten? He's playing Top 5 right now.

Don't get me wrong, Melo does what the team needs him to do which is put the ball in the basket but he's not a top 5 player. He's playing much better than everyone expected, especially on the defensive end. He doesn't get enough rebounds or assists, plus he's a volume shooter not a really efficient one like Durant. This is coming from a Knicks/Melo fan.

KnickaBocka.44
12-02-2012, 06:55 PM
go check out the heat forum and all the posts i have of criticizing them. then you can tell me.

Everyone criticizes their own team in their team forum, that doesn't make you any less of a homer.

bucketss
12-02-2012, 06:55 PM
knicks fans are funny :)

Gram
12-02-2012, 06:56 PM
Why do you care? :laugh2: am I your favorite poster to follow? You seem to find a lot now a days

Didn't say I cared. :laugh2: And no, that poster in BlkynKnicks3. :laugh2:

You post how many times a day? I see your posts in every thread. I was actually expecting some good posts from you in this thread but I guess not. :laugh2:

AI
12-02-2012, 06:57 PM
Are you not a Miami homer?


Don't shoot me officer! :laugh2: I was just asking, all you do is troll the Knicks and get mad at the Heat haters. :shrug:

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

Beltrans Mole
12-02-2012, 06:57 PM
Melo is a top 10 NBA player

Gram
12-02-2012, 06:57 PM
Carmelo Anthony.

BigBlueCrew
12-02-2012, 06:58 PM
Don't get me wrong, Melo does what the team needs him to do which is put the ball in the basket but he's not a top 5 player. He's playing much better than everyone expected, especially on the defensive end. He doesn't get enough rebounds or assists, plus he's a volume shooter not a really efficient one like Durant. This is coming from a Knicks/Melo fan.

If your waiting for Melo to get assists, dont hold your breath. Plus I dont even want him to. For what? to appease people on forums like this??? We're not paying him 20Mil per year to pass the ball to someone else. **** that.

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 06:58 PM
Don't shoot me officer! :laugh2: I was just asking, all you do is troll the Knicks and get mad at the Heat haters. :shrug:

I get mad at heat haters if they talking nonsense.

Saying wade is done after 16 games when he is putting up 19.5/4/5 on 49% shooting is...well you can draw your own conclusions. But to anyone saying wade is done, stfu.

GiantsSwaGG
12-02-2012, 06:59 PM
Didn't say I cared. :laugh2: And no, that poster in BlkynKnicks3. :laugh2:

You post how many times a day? I see your posts in every thread. I was actually expecting some good posts from you in this thread but I guess not. :laugh2:

I post probably 10 times a day, and you see my post in every thread, so everytime I post I should expect a response from you right? :laugh:

And sorry for not posting some good post, usually when I debate with Justin, I don't usually post seriously. Still waiting on yours thou without the baiting? ;)

KnickaBocka.44
12-02-2012, 07:01 PM
I get mad at heat haters if they talking nonsense.

Saying wade is done after 16 games when he is putting up 19.5/4/5 on 49% shooting is...well you can draw your own conclusions. But to anyone saying wade is done, stfu.

Wade is declining.

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 07:02 PM
Wade is declining.

ok.

We will revisit this at seasons end. I expect his numbers to look like 22/5/5 on 52% shooting

AI
12-02-2012, 07:03 PM
If your waiting for Melo to get assists, dont hold your breath. Plus I dont even want him to. For what? to appease people on forums like this??? We're not paying him 20Mil per year to pass the ball to someone else. **** that.

To his defense, Melo has been drawing double teams and getting hockey assists all year. This is why our 3 pt% as a team has been so good, we've been getting A LOT of open looks due to our ball movement.

SteBO
12-02-2012, 07:03 PM
I get mad at heat haters if they talking nonsense.

Saying wade is done after 16 games when he is putting up 19.5/4/5 on 49% shooting is...well you can draw your own conclusions. But to anyone saying wade is done, stfu.

Wade is declining.
So?

KnickaBocka.44
12-02-2012, 07:04 PM
ok

Just wanted to make sure that was a more appropriate term to refer to his reduced production by...since you apparently must sign off on anything anyone says about the eastern conference or any of its players.

KnickaBocka.44
12-02-2012, 07:05 PM
ok.

We will revisit this at seasons end. I expect his numbers to look like 22/5/5 on 52% shooting

what you expect and what reality is are two entirely different things

Hawkeye15
12-02-2012, 07:07 PM
Exactly, Kobe had the worst roster in the NBA back in 2006 and was still hands down the best player in the league that year.

Yeppers.

Blitzace137
12-02-2012, 07:07 PM
Why did you create this thread... smh

Hawkeye15
12-02-2012, 07:08 PM
Top Ten? He's playing Top 5 right now.

meh, possibly. My point stands however. Melo has shown flashes of being a top 5 player plenty of times, only to fall asleep for 15 games following his hot streak. With Rose out, Dirk out, Love not 100%, he bumps them. For now.

JOhnnyTHaJet
12-02-2012, 07:09 PM
You get mad when I say most net fans because of your 3 Trolls? And you do this very hypocritical if you ask me

C'mon, let's be real here, when do the majority of Knicks fans really break down Melos game and notice how inefficient he is? I barely see that, most of it is praise for him being the "MVP" while he has a 40% shooting night and playing phantom defense. It's not just one or two trolls similar to DoMeFavors, it's posters that I've seen on here that I actually respect.

I realize there are people in your fanbase who are intelligent and know what they're talking about but again, I have not seen a critical analysis that's blatantly obvious to me. If I've missed that, then my mistake.

I'm not trying to troll at all, just stating what I believe.

xxplayerxx23
12-02-2012, 07:14 PM
C'mon, let's be real here, when do the majority of Knicks fans really break down Melos game and notice how inefficient he is? I barely see that, most of it is praise for him being the "MVP" while he has a 40% shooting night and playing phantom defense. It's not just one or two trolls similar to DoMeFavors, it's posters that I've seen on here that I actually respect.

I realize there are people in your fanbase who are intelligent and know what they're talking about but again, I have not seen a critical analysis that's blatantly obvious to me. If I've missed that, then my mistake.

I'm not trying to troll at all, just stating what I believe.

Bull ****. Last year a majority of the fans said he wasn't top 10 ill remember this when DMf and wavey and even jmoney make a homer thread. I'll make rememebet to say most net fans agree. It isn't most it's like 6 Knicks fans on here

justinnum1
12-02-2012, 07:17 PM
what you expect and what reality is are two entirely different things

reality is he is currently doing 19.5/4/5 49% shooting...dont see how 22/5/5 52% are that far off.

JNoel
12-02-2012, 07:17 PM
Melo is too one-dimensional as a player, that's why this ranking was pretty generous.

NYKnicksAllDay
12-02-2012, 07:19 PM
Of course his feelings are hurt. this is the guy that thinks melo is on jordans level...

Most Knicks fans do

Except we don't.

Beltrans Mole
12-02-2012, 07:25 PM
Melo is too one-dimensional as a player, that's why this ranking was pretty generous.

Guess you haven't watched many games this year if you think he's been one-dimensional.

Gram
12-02-2012, 07:26 PM
I post probably 10 times a day, and you see my post in every thread, so everytime I post I should expect a response from you right? :laugh:

And sorry for not posting some good post, usually when I debate with Justin, I don't usually post seriously. Still waiting on yours thou without the baiting? ;)

Not sure where you got that logic from - but okay. :laugh2:

Never have I seen a good post from you, and if you look at my posting history I've ever baited a handful of posters on a regular basis. :laugh2:

You're hilarious. :laugh2:

xxplayerxx23
12-02-2012, 07:28 PM
How can you say he is one dimensional? He is a good rebounder and a good scorer. This year he has been solid on the defensive side. Early on he is top 4 To 8 but yes it is very early.

JNoel
12-02-2012, 07:35 PM
Guess you haven't watched many games this year if you think he's been one-dimensional.


How can you say he is one dimensional? He is a good rebounder and a good scorer. This year he has been solid on the defensive side. Early on he is top 4 To 8 but yes it is very early.

He's a scorer, and mediocre rebounder at best. All the other players ahead of him can do much more than just score. That is what ultimately separates him from an all-star and a superstar level.

b@llhog24
12-02-2012, 07:41 PM
He's a scorer, and mediocre rebounder at best. All the other players ahead of him can do much more than just score. That is what ultimately separates him from an all-star and a superstar level.

LeBron is only a slightly better rebounder than him, so what's LeBron an average rebounder? :confused:

AI
12-02-2012, 07:41 PM
C'mon, let's be real here, when do the majority of Knicks fans really break down Melos game and notice how inefficient he is? I barely see that, most of it is praise for him being the "MVP" while he has a 40% shooting night and playing phantom defense. It's not just one or two trolls similar to DoMeFavors, it's posters that I've seen on here that I actually respect.

I realize there are people in your fanbase who are intelligent and know what they're talking about but again, I have not seen a critical analysis that's blatantly obvious to me. If I've missed that, then my mistake.

I'm not trying to troll at all, just stating what I believe.

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showpost.php?p=24549596&postcount=101

b@llhog24
12-02-2012, 07:42 PM
Melo has played like a superstar so far this season. If people considered Rose a superstar when he won his MVP then Melo is undoubtedly one.

JasonJohnHorn
12-02-2012, 07:43 PM
Is it possible that rather than ESPN owing Melo an apology, that Melo owes NY fans an apology for playing like $#!T last year? Just saying.

If I was an NY fan, while I would be excited about his current level of play, I would be just as upset at the p!$$ poor effort he put out last season ;-) But hey, we can just all blame 'Antoni.

JNoel
12-02-2012, 07:47 PM
LeBron is only a slightly better rebounder than him, so what's LeBron an average rebounder? :confused:

He is, a great rebounder averages 12-15 rebounds nowadays

Sactown
12-02-2012, 07:50 PM
Melo owes NY an apology...

b@llhog24
12-02-2012, 07:51 PM
He is, a great rebounder averages 12-15 rebounds nowadays

Lol he's talking about at his position.

Btw there must be only three great rebounders in the league, because only three players are currently averaging over 12 boards a game. I guess Dwight isn't a great rebounder then?

xxplayerxx23
12-02-2012, 07:55 PM
He's a scorer, and mediocre rebounder at best. All the other players ahead of him can do much more than just score. That is what ultimately separates him from an all-star and a superstar level.

James is slightly better. Must mean he is a mediocre rebounder as well.

GiantsSwaGG
12-02-2012, 07:56 PM
Not sure where you got that logic from - but okay. :laugh2:

Never have I seen a good post from you, and if you look at my posting history I've ever baited a handful of posters on a regular basis. :laugh2:

You're hilarious. :laugh2:

Cool story bro, I'll see of I have a cookie for ya ;)

JNoel
12-02-2012, 08:03 PM
James is slightly better. Must mean he is a mediocre rebounder as well.
Like I said, I consider James a mediocre rebounder as well, though it is hard to say that while he is getting close to 9 boards a game. There are a couple of guys on another level when it comes to rebounding, and they are the only one's I consider great.


Lol he's talking about at his position.

Btw there must be only three great rebounders in the league, because only three players are currently averaging over 12 boards a game. I guess Dwight isn't a great rebounder then?
Im talking about in general, I could careless about position. If there is only 3 players who average that many rebounds, then they are the only great rebounders in the league. Dwight is capable of getting that many rebounds so I would still label him in that category.

xxplayerxx23
12-02-2012, 08:06 PM
But how are they not good rebounders for their Position. :pity:

JNoel
12-02-2012, 08:09 PM
For nyKnicks...Melo is one dimensional on the basis that he can only score. When you say that he can pass out to the 3, he must do it twice per game because thats how many assists he averages. Also chill with the personal attacks, education is the same over here as it is everywhere else...This is why the fans of NY get hated on...

AI
12-02-2012, 08:12 PM
Like I said, I consider James a mediocre rebounder as well, though it is hard to say that while he is getting close to 9 boards a game. There are a couple of guys on another level when it comes to rebounding, and they are the only one's I consider great.

Melo's getting 7 boards a game to go with 26 PPG, 47 FG% and 44 3P% and is ranked 8th with a 24.24 PER (should be 7th since Anthony Davis is on the list with only 6 games played). I get the hate for Melo sometimes, but seriously?

JNoel
12-02-2012, 08:14 PM
But how are they not good rebounders for their Position. :pity:

I never said they weren't good rebounders for their position-because they are. One of you mentioned broadly great rebounders, and they aren't good rebounders if you compare them to the elite rebounders.

Jamiecballer
12-02-2012, 08:14 PM
how is that 17th rank working out for them? Someone should be held accountable for this. Melo finally has a good team around him and look at the results most games are over in the 3rd qtr. #3tothehead #knickstape #balldontlie

an apology for an OPINION?


bahahahahahahaha

JNoel
12-02-2012, 08:19 PM
Melo's getting 7 boards a game to go with 26 PPG, 47 FG% and 44 3P% and is ranked 8th with a 24.24 PER (should be 7th since Anthony Davis is on the list with only 6 games played). I get the hate for Melo sometimes, but seriously?

Okay but i wasn't hating on Melo, all I was saying was he is one-dimensional because while he may be a prolific scorer and mediocre rebounder, thats about all he can do.

xxplayerxx23
12-02-2012, 08:20 PM
I never said they weren't good rebounders for their position-because they are. One of you mentioned broadly great rebounders, and they aren't good rebounders if you compare them to the elite rebounders.

Well that goes without saying.

Quietmoney
12-02-2012, 08:22 PM
Screw ESPN and all you fans that have to find advanced stats to try and figure out what's going on in games. Melo right now is the most unguardable player in the league. No team can leave their player one on one with him over any extended period of time. He sees more double teams than any other player. He's top 3 in scoring and that's with all the blowouts where he didn't even play the fourth quarter. He's not as efficient with his numbers because he scores from all over the court in more ways than anyone else in the league. He's the worst match up nightmare the league has. And at this pace, he'll win MVP.

Quietmoney
12-02-2012, 08:25 PM
How can someone ranked so low even be considered in MVP talks right and be leading his team the way he does?? That was a horrible ranking by ESPN.

AI
12-02-2012, 08:26 PM
Okay but i wasn't hating on Melo, all I was saying was he is one-dimensional because while he may be a prolific scorer and mediocre rebounder, thats about all he can do.

Watch the games, then talk. I never defend Melo but people like you look at a box score and see that he averages 2 assists a game and say he's one-dimensional, couldn't be farther from the truth. He's such a big target on offense, that he sucks in the defense and most of the time it's not his pass which gets the assist, but rather the 2nd or maybe 3rd for a wide open shot, hockey assists. You'd be surprised at how much his game has evolved this year.

JNoel
12-02-2012, 08:28 PM
Screw ESPN and all you fans that have to find advanced stats to try and figure out what's going on in games. Melo right now is the most unguardable player in the league. No team can leave their player one on one with him over any extended period of time. He sees more double teams than any other player. He's top 3 in scoring and that's with all the blowouts where he didn't even play the fourth quarter. He's not as efficient with his numbers because he scores from all over the court in more ways than anyone else in the league. He's the worst match up nightmare the league has. And at this pace, he'll win MVP.

So Lebron doesn't get double teams all the time and doesn't score from all areas of the court while having higher averages in virtually every category than Carmelo? Give me a break.

seikou8
12-02-2012, 08:35 PM
here we go again my fellow knicks fans some these guys never watched a single knick game and says he plays no defense.melo has flaws but he playing alot playing than last year during the first 16 games of the year.lets see if he can sutain his level of play.

JNoel
12-02-2012, 08:37 PM
Watch the games, then talk. I never defend Melo but people like you look at a box score and see that he averages 2 assists a game and say he's one-dimensional, couldn't be farther from the truth. He's such a big target on offense, that he sucks in the defense and most of the time it's not his pass which gets the assist, but rather the 2nd or maybe 3rd for a wide open shot, hockey assists. You'd be surprised at how much his game has evolved this year.

I respect that your a pretty rational Knick fan which can't be said about most. The few games I have watched, he's looked good scoring the ball, as usual, but at the same token he rarely passed the ball in that game. He may make some great hockey assists which don't help his cause. I definitely have to take a look at a couple more Knicks games but my arguments are based off what i've seen which have been more than few games i've watched this season.

Beltrans Mole
12-02-2012, 08:42 PM
I respect that your a pretty rational Knick fan which can't be said about most. The few games I have watched, he's looked good scoring the ball, as usual, but at the same token he rarely passed the ball in that game. He may make some great hockey assists which don't help his cause. I definitely have to take a look at a couple more Knicks games but my arguments are based off what i've seen which have been more than few games i've watched this season.

The entire Knicks team is playing great team basketball. And Melo scores at will, rebounds, and actually looks for his teammates instead of forcing terrible shots. I've watched about 95% of the Knicks games this year...call me a homer if you'd like, but I consider myself to be brutally honest about the Knicks, always have been. He's playing like a superstar in this early season so far.

StrandedCub
12-02-2012, 08:45 PM
I gotta agree with AI4LIFE here. Melo has been exceptional at passing the ball out. I venture to say that it is one of the primary reasons the Knicks have been so damn good beyond the 3 point line this season. This season has been the best I've ever seen his all around game.

AI
12-02-2012, 08:48 PM
I respect that your a pretty rational Knick fan which can't be said about most. The few games I have watched, he's looked good scoring the ball, as usual, but at the same token he rarely passed the ball in that game. He may make some great hockey assists which don't help his cause. I definitely have to take a look at a couple more Knicks games but my arguments are based off what i've seen which have been more than few games i've watched this season.

Fair enough. I've always been critical of Melo because I see the talent/potential he has, so far this year he's been more of a team player than any other year since he's entered the league regardless of how many assists he's getting per game. Those who have actually watched the game can see this.

There are spurts where he goes 1-on-1 and gets a little bit to shot happy and tries to do too much, but he's not perfect and one has to accept the good with the bad. The ball movement for the Knicks this year has been crisp, and it all starts with him drawing double teams or creating shots by sucking in the defense. That's why our 3P% as a team has been excellent this year.

HouRealCoach
12-02-2012, 08:57 PM
You guys really don't watch Knicks games...

Melo has played good (not great) on defense
Sets the tone every game
Can score from anywhere
Hasn't played many 4th quarters
Also playing team ball

His attitude has changed, he has matured, & like it or not he is a MVP candidate right now along with LeBron & Durant

MTL_123
12-02-2012, 09:10 PM
lmao how did i know you were the one that made this thread

JNoel
12-02-2012, 09:15 PM
lmao how did i know you were the one that made this thread

Because he is an obvious Knicks troll. Every fanbase has them.

xxplayerxx23
12-02-2012, 09:19 PM
I think you owe us an apology for this thread.

MTL_123
12-02-2012, 09:23 PM
i feel bad for real knicks fan smh

SINCESTARBURY25
12-02-2012, 09:41 PM
He is better than 17 but I aint even mad.

Baller1
12-02-2012, 09:43 PM
Is everyone in New York this obsessed with Melo? Honest question.

bucketss
12-02-2012, 09:49 PM
i don't mind that he is backing up his player but this disses/discredits/disrespects every player that looks like a threat to melo lol.

PlezPlayDKnicks
12-02-2012, 10:12 PM
Is everyone in New York this obsessed with Melo? Honest question.

50/50 split it feels like but it's lower than that honestly

xxplayerxx23
12-02-2012, 10:18 PM
Baller not even close. A lot of people don't like melo

b@llhog24
12-02-2012, 10:23 PM
Like I said, I consider James a mediocre rebounder as well, though it is hard to say that while he is getting close to 9 boards a game. There are a couple of guys on another level when it comes to rebounding, and they are the only one's I consider great.


Im talking about in general, I could careless about position. If there is only 3 players who average that many rebounds, then they are the only great rebounders in the league. Dwight is capable of getting that many rebounds so I would still label him in that category.

So Wade is a mediocre defender in your book as well? How about Cwebb, is he just an average passer?

Blitzace137
12-02-2012, 10:26 PM
I think you owe us an apology for this thread.

lol This.

knicks=love
12-02-2012, 10:27 PM
Is everyone in New York this obsessed with Melo? Honest question.

no actually. he actually really pisses me off when he hold the ball above his head when he's got an iso. idk why, but it drives me insane.

JNoel
12-02-2012, 10:33 PM
So Wade is a mediocre defender in your book as well? How about Cwebb, is he just an average passer?

Wade has career totals of 2 steals and 1 block per game/plays great on-ball defense, which is pretty good considering his injury plagued history. Why would I think he's a mediocre defender? Also explain to me where Cwebb comes into the argument.

yanksrock
12-02-2012, 10:52 PM
Lol

yanksrock
12-02-2012, 10:53 PM
Stop it....no wonder errybody hates us knicks fans

I don't subscribe to this logic at all.

How does one knucklehead making a dumb thread say anything about me or other Knicks fans??

WAYNEBO
12-02-2012, 11:03 PM
I respect that your a pretty rational Knick fan which can't be said about most. The few games I have watched, he's looked good scoring the ball, as usual, but at the same token he rarely passed the ball in that game. He may make some great hockey assists which don't help his cause. I definitely have to take a look at a couple more Knicks games but my arguments are based off what i've seen which have been more than few games i've watched this season.

I've watched plenty this year and you are dead on... What seperates Melo from Lebron the most his he doesn't make his teammates better. I'd love to see his numbers up around 5-7 a game.

b@llhog24
12-02-2012, 11:12 PM
Wade has career totals of 2 steals and 1 block per game/plays great on-ball defense, which is pretty good considering his injury plagued history. Why would I think he's a mediocre defender?

He's mediocre if you compare his defensive impact to the likes of

Ben Wallace
KG
Hakeem
Russell
Drob
Duncan
....I can list off basically any competent defensive center and this would hold true. The reason you can say that Wade is better than a mediocre defender is because you're talking about in comparison to his position.


Also explain to me where Cwebb comes into the argument.

Because he "only" averages 4 assist for his career, but you wouldn't call him a mediocre passer now would you?

BklynKnicks3
12-02-2012, 11:16 PM
the thing about mello is... he hasn't had a bad team since at least 2006 while its true that team play has nothing to do with individual play he has a nasty habit of making other players worse and never fitting in with what his team is doing and it makes him and his team much worse.

u people are clueless look at the playoff rosters melo has had the passed 2 years. Last year vs the heat the knicks 2nd and 3rd best players where baron davis n bibby. Amare helped in 1 game the 1 they won

dee279
12-02-2012, 11:19 PM
u people are clueless look at the playoff rosters melo has had the passed 2 years. Last year vs the heat the knicks 2nd and 3rd best players where baron davis n bibby. Amare helped in 1 game the 1 they won

No one told Amare to punch a damn fire extinguisher lol

yanksrock
12-02-2012, 11:22 PM
No one told Amare to punch a damn fire extinguisher lol

:)

Not Melo's fault.

BklynKnicks3
12-02-2012, 11:26 PM
:)

Not Melo's fault.

exactly point is he had no help what ever the reason or excuse was and still took the fully healthy heat team to 5 games just like durant did. Only durant had wb n harden melo had bibby n baron

dee279
12-02-2012, 11:26 PM
:)

Not Melo's fault.

Yea well thats why he should have took control of the team like a leader(something he is not) put his team on his back, shot better, played defense, got his teammates involved instead of just chucking up shots all game and play bull fighter defense.

dee279
12-02-2012, 11:27 PM
exactly point is he had no help what ever the reason or excuse was and still took the fully healthy heat team to 5 games just like durant did. Only durant had wb n harden melo had bibby n baron

The Heat are always good at giving up one.

yanksrock
12-02-2012, 11:28 PM
exactly point is he had no help what ever the reason or excuse was and still took the fully healthy heat team to 5 games just like durant did. Only durant had wb n harden melo had bibby n baron

Yeah I'm with you man.

yanksrock
12-02-2012, 11:31 PM
Yea well thats why he should have took control of the team like a leader(something he is not) put his team on his back, shot better, played defense, got his teammates involved instead of just chucking up shots all game and play bull fighter defense.

Oh so now Amare's bonehead play is somehow Melo's fault because he's not a leader?? (something you somehow clearly know he's not)

Here's something to think about. How about the other 100 million dollar guy can be his own damn leader!!! Maybe he should lead himself into not punching a goddamn fire extinguisher!!

Everything is always Melo's fault.

Sactown
12-02-2012, 11:32 PM
They took the Heat to 5 games?? you act like they were tough games LOL
Average win margin was 17.5 points... please.. they HEAT STEAM rolled the Knicks like it was no ones business.

dee279
12-02-2012, 11:33 PM
exactly point is he had no help what ever the reason or excuse was and still took the fully healthy heat team to 5 games just like durant did. Only durant had wb n harden melo had bibby n baron

And stop saying like Baron and Bibby was really the best players he had. Did the defensive player of the year miss that series or something? Amare might have been one handed but MIami was shorthanded too. Bibby? No need to even bring him up

Gram
12-02-2012, 11:33 PM
Yeah I'm with you man.

Don't dig that trap for yourself.

yanksrock
12-02-2012, 11:34 PM
They took the Heat to 5 games?? you act like they were tough games LOL
Average win margin was 17.5 points... please.. they HEAT STEAM rolled the Knicks like it was no ones business.

As you would expect.

LBJ, Wade, Bosh >>>>>>>>>>>> Melo, Bibby, Barron

yanksrock
12-02-2012, 11:35 PM
Don't dig that trap for yourself.

What do you mean?? I didn't read all the previous pages. Did he say something stupid??

Kashmir13579
12-02-2012, 11:36 PM
he has been so far this season. but thats not saying much. wade is our 2nd best player. congrats. the best player on your team has looked better than miami's 2nd best player. To bad you don't win anything for that tho.

If i made you type what is ALMOST a full paragraph, you were riled up. You are averaging 5 words per post.

dee279
12-02-2012, 11:36 PM
Oh so now Amare's bonehead play is somehow Melo's fault because he's not a leader?? (something you somehow clearly know he's not)

Here's something to think about. How about the other 100 million dollar guy can be his own damn leader!!! Maybe he should lead himself into not punching a goddamn fire extinguisher!!

Everything is always Melo's fault.

When did i say what Amare did was Melo's fault? Wise up and learn how to comprehend. I said Melo should have put the team on his back and lead his team with a healthy Amare or not. Melo shot them out of games taking bad shot after bad shot. If you call that being a good leader, well that is your opinion sir, but i beg to differ.

Sactown
12-02-2012, 11:39 PM
As you would expect.

LBJ, Wade, Bosh >>>>>>>>>>>> Melo, Bibby, Barron

LBJ is just straight >>> Melo

BklynKnicks3
12-02-2012, 11:39 PM
And stop saying like Baron and Bibby was really the best players he had. Did the defensive player of the year miss that series or something? Amare might have been one handed but MIami was shorthanded too. Bibby? No need to even bring him up

chandler was garbage vs heat mainly the first 2 games he had the flu

yanksrock
12-02-2012, 11:41 PM
LBJ is just straight >>> Melo

True.

He's the best player in the NBA. Doesn't mean his team can't be beat.

n83417
12-02-2012, 11:42 PM
Fab Melo plays for the celtics.

Sactown
12-02-2012, 11:44 PM
True.

He's the best player in the NBA. Doesn't mean his team can't be beat.

I don't think I've ever seen Melo overachieve with a team, he either does what is expected, or underachieves and that right their tells you why I don't consider him a superstar

GiantsSwaGG
12-02-2012, 11:44 PM
If i made you type what is ALMOST a full paragraph, you were riled up. You are averaging 5 words per post.

Lol

yanksrock
12-02-2012, 11:45 PM
When did i say what Amare did was Melo's fault? Wise up and learn how to comprehend. I said Melo should have put the team on his back and lead his team with a healthy Amare or not. Melo shot them out of games taking bad shot after bad shot. If you call that being a good leader, well that is your opinion sir, but i beg to differ.

How can you shoot better when you have three defenders draped all over you because he has nobody to kick the ball out to. Look what happened to Lebron Before he surrounded himself with talent. He was considered a choker and yes you guessed it NOT A LEADER.

Give Melo this team the way they're playing right now against the Heat and it's a different ball game.

dee279
12-02-2012, 11:45 PM
chandler was garbage vs heat mainly the first 2 games he had the flu

Still played all of the games. But in reality everyone is going to play garbage against the heat. Its called defense. Anyways Your MVP shot low 40% from the field(if that) shooting about 30 something shots a game. That will not get you out of the first round, no matter who you have on your team. Until Melo becomes more efficient consistently over a whole season and through the playoffs, Melo will always take heat from his play.

yanksrock
12-02-2012, 11:46 PM
I don't think I've ever seen Melo overachieve with a team, he either does what is expected, or underachieves and that right their tells you why I don't consider him a superstar

People said that about Lebron before he surrounded himself with talent.

Sactown
12-02-2012, 11:48 PM
People said that about Lebron before he surrounded himself with talent.

That's a joke, Lebron overachieved every regular season with the Cavs, they had no business winning over 50 games with that roster... and Boston showed that every time they met in the playoffs.

Melo has always had talented rosters...

Kashmir13579
12-02-2012, 11:50 PM
People said that about Lebron before he surrounded himself with talent.

i mean, the poster you're replying to is going to be none the wiser - but lets face it, other than their rookie campaigns, Lebron has been bounds ahead of 'Melo, regardless of the players surrounding him.

JNoel
12-02-2012, 11:50 PM
He's mediocre if you compare his defensive impact to the likes of

Ben Wallace
KG
Hakeem
Russell
Drob
Duncan
....I can list off basically any competent defensive center and this would hold true. The reason you can say that Wade is better than a mediocre defender is because you're talking about in comparison to his position.
The guys you listed are obviously defensive elites, and of course Wade looks mediocre compared to them. I never said Wade was an elite defender, I just stated that his 2 steals/1 block were respectable considering his injury history and his position being a 6'4 guard.



Because he "only" averages 4 assist for his career, but you wouldn't call him a mediocre passer now would you?

Of course I wouldn't call him a mediocre passer, as the position he plays doesn't really require him to be a passer. I get the point that you are trying to get across about positions and stats, but I was using that Lebron and Carmelo example because you had broadly stated "great rebounder" while not really mentioning position. I agree that Lebron and Carmelo are excellent rebounders for their position but again, if you want to say "great rebounders" without "position" it leads me to believe you are talking about all rebounders in the league.

dee279
12-02-2012, 11:51 PM
How can you shoot better when you have three defenders draped all over you because he has nobody to kick the ball out to. Look what happened to Lebron Before he surrounded himself with talent. He was considered a choker and yes you guessed it NOT A LEADER.

Give Melo this team the way they're playing right now against the Heat and it's a different ball game.

Ok you did this to yourself. In Cleveland, Lebron lead his team(without much talent around him) to the Eastern Conference championship like 3 times? Correct me if im wrong. Was not a Lebron fan then. To the Finals once, won plenty of MVPs and lead his team to best records with what i would call a horrible Cleveland team. The best player he played with was Mo Williams for goodness sake. Now lets look at Melo's playoff history. Has never made it out of the second round. Made it to the second round like once. You tell me what resume you would like best. Dont compare Lebron to Melo because Melo has nothing on Lebron. Oh and about the 3 defenders drapes on you comment. Lebron figured out how to do it for 7 years straight because he was the only real threat on that team. Maybe Melo should take some pointers from him.

Kashmir13579
12-02-2012, 11:53 PM
I will say that people have an agenda against 'Melo and the Knicks on this site. That is clear as day. I would be mad too if a team thats been horrible for a decade, had more fans than the team i root for. Especially if the team i rooted for had Lebron and two other pretty good players.

yanksrock
12-02-2012, 11:55 PM
i mean, the poster you're replying to is going to be none the wiser - but lets face it, other than their rookie campaigns, Lebron has been bounds ahead of 'Melo, regardless of the players surrounding him.

Clearly.

My point is not that Lebron underachieved. I'm saying his perception changed. Lebron clearly carried his team year in and year out. Melo never was able to do the same. But in the end Lebron couldn't deliver on his own. Everybody needs help in a team sport.

Melo is no different.

Gram
12-02-2012, 11:57 PM
What do you mean?? I didn't read all the previous pages. Did he say something stupid??

He's been saying that he's the second best player in the league, number one MVP candidate, that ESPN owes him an apology, that he's better than KD, and that we're all stupid because everyone disagrees with him.

Trust me, don't be the second BklynKnicks3.

dee279
12-02-2012, 11:59 PM
I will say that people have an agenda against 'Melo and the Knicks on this site. That is clear as day. I would be mad too if a team thats been horrible for a decade, had more fans than the team i root for. Especially if the team i rooted for had Lebron and two other pretty good players.

Lol like people give a damn about who has bigger fan bases. If they do, they need to stop. So the New York knicks, New York being one of the most well known cities, one of the biggest cities, one of the most successful cities, and the knicks being one of the oldest teams in the history of the league has more fans over a Miami Heat team which compared to New York is a farely new team. Congrats to Knicks fans, but really that was a dumb comment IMHO.

yanksrock
12-02-2012, 11:59 PM
Ok you did this to yourself. In Cleveland, Lebron lead his team(without much talent around him) to the Eastern Conference championship like 3 times? Correct me if im wrong. Was not a Lebron fan then. To the Finals once, won plenty of MVPs and lead his team to best records with what i would call a horrible Cleveland team. The best player he played with was Mo Williams for goodness sake. Now lets look at Melo's playoff history. Has never made it out of the second round. Made it to the second round like once. You tell me what resume you would like best. Dont compare Lebron to Melo because Melo has nothing on Lebron. Oh and about the 3 defenders drapes on you comment. Lebron figured out how to do it for 7 years straight because he was the only real threat on that team. Maybe Melo should take some pointers from him.

I'm not saying Melo is the same as Lebron. Lebron is clearly the better player and has done things that very few in history have with little talent around him. I'm saying if even a guy like Lebron needs help than surely Melo needs as well. Until he doesn't get that help his legacy can't be written.

Lebron Even with all the great things he did was considered a choker until he got help and changed that perception.

b@llhog24
12-02-2012, 11:59 PM
The guys you listed are obviously defensive elites, and of course Wade looks mediocre compared to them. I never said Wade was an elite defender, I just stated that his 2 steals/1 block were respectable considering his injury history and his position being a 6'4 guard.




Of course I wouldn't call him a mediocre passer, as the position he plays doesn't really require him to be a passer. I get the point that you are trying to get across about positions and stats, but I was using that Lebron and Carmelo example because you had broadly stated "great rebounder" while not really mentioning position. I agree that Lebron and Carmelo are excellent rebounders for their position but again, if you want to say "great rebounders" without "position" it leads me to believe you are talking about all rebounders in the league.

It kind of goes without saying, is what I'm getting at. Which is why I took offense to you calling him a "mediocre rebounder". And I never claimed him to be a "great" rebounder across positions and neither did xxplayer.

yanksrock
12-03-2012, 12:00 AM
I will say that people have an agenda against 'Melo and the Knicks on this site. That is clear as day. I would be mad too if a team thats been horrible for a decade, had more fans than the team i root for. Especially if the team i rooted for had Lebron and two other pretty good players.

:clap:

yanksrock
12-03-2012, 12:01 AM
He's been saying that he's the second best player in the league, number one MVP candidate, that ESPN owes him an apology, that he's better than KD, and that we're all stupid because everyone disagrees with him.

Trust me, don't be the second BklynKnicks3.

HAHA

He's the one that started this thread??:facepalm:

I apologize.

Sactown
12-03-2012, 12:02 AM
I will say that people have an agenda against 'Melo and the Knicks on this site. That is clear as day. I would be mad too if a team thats been horrible for a decade, had more fans than the team i root for. Especially if the team i rooted for had Lebron and two other pretty good players.

Honestly, the reason Melo gets bashed so often is because of these kind of comments, saying Bosh and Wade are pretty good players when they're clearly in the same breath as Melo.. or the fact that all Knicks fan believe their team is elite before the 20 game mark. You guys go around bashing other players and over hyping your own and complain and scream bloody murder when anyone tells you different... you don't think it's annoying seeing a "Shumpert is the next best 2 way player" threads? are you kidding me? dude isn't anything above average... Melo is a great player, but asking ESPN to apologize after saying he's ranked #17 after the disgraceful season last year? This is why you get bashed not because their is a "agenda against melo and the knicks" you put a target on their backs...

STAT1
12-03-2012, 12:02 AM
#hashtag

Gram
12-03-2012, 12:02 AM
HAHA

He's the one that started this thread??:facepalm:

I apologize.

Lol don't apologize playa, just giving you the heads up.

dee279
12-03-2012, 12:04 AM
Clearly.

My point is not that Lebron underachieved. I'm saying his perception changed. Lebron clearly carried his team year in and year out. Melo never was able to do the same. But in the end Lebron couldn't deliver on his own. Everybody needs help in a team sport.

Melo is no different.

Melo had a nice team in Denver man. He had players like Nene, Marcus Camby, AI, Chauncey Billups, and other guys i cant think of at the moment. Those are good enough players to atleast get out of the second round.

yanksrock
12-03-2012, 12:07 AM
Lol don't apologize playa, just giving you the heads up.

Thanks man.

b@llhog24
12-03-2012, 12:07 AM
Carmelo Anthony.

Kashmir13579
12-03-2012, 12:12 AM
Lol like people give a damn about who has bigger fan bases. If they do, they need to stop. So the New York knicks, New York being one of the most well known cities, one of the biggest cities, one of the most successful cities, and the knicks being one of the oldest teams in the history of the league has more fans over a Miami Heat team which compared to New York is a farely new team. Congrats to Knicks fans, but really that was a dumb comment IMHO.
I didn't say that was the only reason. However, the massive amounts of fans we have, make for massive amounts of homers and idiot Knick fans.. Homers share their opinions, PSD hears those opinions. PSD hates Knick fans. It isn't hard to comprehend.

:clap:
:hi5:

Go Knicks:D

Honestly, the reason Melo gets bashed so often is because of these kind of comments, saying Bosh and Wade are pretty good players when they're clearly in the same breath as Melo.. or the fact that all Knicks fan believe their team is elite before the 20 game mark. You guys go around bashing other players and over hyping your own and complain and scream bloody murder when anyone tells you different... you don't think it's annoying seeing a "Shumpert is the next best 2 way player" threads? are you kidding me? dude isn't anything above average... Melo is a great player, but asking ESPN to apologize after saying he's ranked #17 after the disgraceful season last year? This is why you get bashed not because their is a "agenda against melo and the knicks" you put a target on their backs...
Your rant is based around things i have never said, which makes it irrelevant.

Kashmir13579
12-03-2012, 12:14 AM
Carmelo Anthony.

LOL did you come up with that sig on your own bro? If so... Mighty fine work. :D

I laughed out loud, literally.

JNoel
12-03-2012, 12:18 AM
It kind of goes without saying, is what I'm getting at. Which is why I took offense to you calling him a "mediocre rebounder". And I never claimed him to be a "great" rebounder across positions and neither did xxplayer.

Fair enough, I thought that one of you said that getting 7 rebounds was considered being a great rebounder. When Melo starts averaging 13 boards a game, hmu :)

dee279
12-03-2012, 12:20 AM
I didn't say that was the only reason. However, the massive amounts of fans we have, make for massive amounts of homers and idiot Knick fans.. Homers share their opinions, PSD hears those opinions. PSD hates Knick fans. It isn't hard to comprehend.

:hi5:

Go Knicks:D

Your rant is based around things i have never said, which makes it irrelevant.

Dude You said heat fans hate Melo and the Knicks because Heat fans have an agenda out because NY has more fans eventhough Knicks been suck for a long time and The Heat have some of the most popular players in the league or as you put it: Lebron and some pretty good players. So what i said to that comment was very relevant and comprehended well.

Hoopsadvocate
12-03-2012, 12:21 AM
I didn't say that was the only reason. However, the massive amounts of fans we have, make for massive amounts of homers and idiot Knick fans.. Homers share their opinions, PSD hears those opinions. PSD hates Knick fans. It isn't hard to comprehend.

:hi5:

Go Knicks:D

Your rant is based around things i have never said, which makes it irrelevant.

on page 2you said melo is at least better than wade in response to a heat fan posting.

So you actually already proved his point of overrating your players and putting down others.

Your not too far off from the OP.

Kashmir13579
12-03-2012, 12:23 AM
Dude You said heat fans hate Melo and the Knicks because Heat fans have an agenda out because NY has more fans eventhough Knicks been suck for a long time and The Heat have some of the most popular players in the league or as you put it: Lebron and some pretty good players. So what i said to that comment was cery relevant.

In the future please try to use sentences. I can read pretty well, but its easier when the print is eligible and organized. I said PSD hates Knick fans, and offered up a possible reason why.

I also didn't say your comment was irrelevant, and yes i was trolling Heat fans like JNoel and Justinum. So be it.

justinnum1
12-03-2012, 12:25 AM
Dude You said heat fans hate Melo and the Knicks because Heat fans have an agenda out because NY has more fans eventhough Knicks been suck for a long time and The Heat have some of the most popular players in the league or as you put it: Lebron and some pretty good players. So what i said to that comment was very relevant and comprehended well.

Just let him be, he tries to troll but fails miserably at it.

Kashmir13579
12-03-2012, 12:27 AM
on page 2you said melo is at least better than wade in response to a heat fan posting.

So you actually already proved his point of overrating your players and putting down others.

Your not too far off from the OP.

I don't believe 'Melo is a better player. In the WADE thread, i came to his defense. (before he went off for 34)

I have historically been a fan of Wade. The facial he gave to Jermaine O'neal in the 2004 playoffs is one of my first best memories of the NBA. You assume incorrectly. Thats my fault for trolling Justinum earlier, but it was totally worth it.

Kashmir13579
12-03-2012, 12:27 AM
Just let him be, he tries to troll but fails miserably at it.

You got me pinned! :D

Kashmir13579
12-03-2012, 12:28 AM
I rarely troll, but when i do, i troll the NBA forum.

justinnum1
12-03-2012, 12:31 AM
I rarely troll, but when i do, i troll the NBA forum.

It shows, your awful at it.

Kashmir13579
12-03-2012, 12:32 AM
It shows, your awful at it.

Your trolling may not be the best, but it is pervasive and consistent. :D

JNoel
12-03-2012, 12:33 AM
I don't often drink Kashmir, but when I do, I prefer the PSD Kashmir :D

Kashmir13579
12-03-2012, 12:34 AM
I don't often drink Kashmir, but when I do, I prefer the PSD Kashmir :D

lol wtf?

JNoel
12-03-2012, 12:36 AM
lol wtf?

I don't even know lmao.

Kashmir13579
12-03-2012, 12:37 AM
I don't even know lmao.

:laugh:

yanksrock
12-03-2012, 12:38 AM
Dude You said heat fans hate Melo and the Knicks because Heat fans have an agenda out because NY has more fans eventhough Knicks been suck for a long time and The Heat have some of the most popular players in the league or as you put it: Lebron and some pretty good players. So what i said to that comment was very relevant and comprehended well.

Lol he was talking to Sactown

JNoel
12-03-2012, 12:39 AM
Carmelo is the MVP, and better than MJ!!!!

I'm out on that note.

Kashmir13579
12-03-2012, 12:40 AM
In summation, my only point to fellow Knick fans is this - Its too late... we've already lost the war on PSD. Apart from the handful of intellectuals on this site, we'll never get a fair shake - don't try for one and don't expect one.

yanksrock
12-03-2012, 12:40 AM
I don't often drink Kashmir, but when I do, I prefer the PSD Kashmir :D

Seriously wtf?:laugh:

yanksrock
12-03-2012, 12:41 AM
In summation, my only point to fellow Knick fans is this - Its too late... we've already lost the war on PSD. Apart from the handful of intellectuals on this site, we'll never get a fair shake - don't try for one and don't expect one.

All hail Kash, the wisest of us all.

Kashmir13579
12-03-2012, 12:42 AM
All hail Kash, the wisest of us all.

Far from that. :D

TO Rapz
12-03-2012, 12:43 AM
Melo to ESPN is what Drew Brees is to Norm in your eyes.

JNoel
12-03-2012, 12:43 AM
Seriously wtf?:laugh:

Can't believe I got wasted on a Sunday :speechless:

Kashmir13579
12-03-2012, 12:43 AM
Can't believe I got wasted on a Sunday :facepalm:

LOL i'm thinking the same. I need to go to bed.

b@llhog24
12-03-2012, 12:44 AM
LOL did you come up with that sig on your own bro? If so... Mighty fine work. :D

I laughed out loud, literally.

Lol nah I got it off of Facebook. Thought it was pretty cool.


Fair enough, I thought that one of you said that getting 7 rebounds was considered being a great rebounder. When Melo starts averaging 13 boards a game, hmu :)

It's cool, just messing wit cha man :cheers:

AI
12-03-2012, 01:01 AM
Just let him be, he tries to troll but fails miserably at it.


It shows, your awful at it.

You should teach him, 46K posts in 2 years and all troll posts professor:

"HOW TO NOT HAVE A LIFE AND TROLL KNICK FANS ON PSD ALL DAY 101"

Hawkeye15
12-03-2012, 01:23 AM
I will say that people have an agenda against 'Melo and the Knicks on this site. That is clear as day. I would be mad too if a team thats been horrible for a decade, had more fans than the team i root for. Especially if the team i rooted for had Lebron and two other pretty good players.

You have a good point. Most casual fans never had to deal with the NY wrath due to them being irrelevant for years. And now that they are a pretty damn good team, the fair weather fans have exploded, and flooded chat boards and media.

The last portion is a stab dude. No fanbase is as loyal, or irrational as NYs. This is a fact. I have to say, there are some great posters here that are Knicks/Nets fans, but the majority are tough to deal with.

I have never had an agenda towards Melo, I simply think his skillset has been overrated for years. We have talked about this. I love his start this year, but to erase (or attempt to) the previous 8 seasons of inconsistency, its up to him. He is frustrating. Running off 10 games of "I am as good as anyone", followed by 15 games of complacency.

Let him prove it over 82, or hell, 95. Not 15.

JNoel
12-03-2012, 01:27 AM
You have a good point. Most casual fans never had to deal with the NY wrath due to them being irrelevant for years. And now that they are a pretty damn good team, the fair weather fans have exploded, and flooded chat boards and media.

The last portion is a stab dude. No fanbase is as loyal, or irrational as NYs. This is a fact. I have to say, there are some great posters here that are Knicks/Nets fans, but the majority are tough to deal with.

I have never had an agenda towards Melo, I simply think his skillset has been overrated for years. We have talked about this. I love his start this year, but to erase (or attempt to) the previous 8 seasons of inconsistency, its up to him. He is frustrating. Running off 10 games of "I am as good as anyone" followed by 15 games of complacency.

Let him prove it over 82, or hell, 95. Not 15.

This is probably the most relevant post in this whole thread.

Kashmir13579
12-03-2012, 03:24 AM
You have a good point. Most casual fans never had to deal with the NY wrath due to them being irrelevant for years. And now that they are a pretty damn good team, the fair weather fans have exploded, and flooded chat boards and media.



The last portion is a stab dude. No fanbase is as loyal, or irrational as NYs. This is a fact. I have to say, there are some great posters here that are Knicks/Nets fans, but the majority are tough to deal with.
I mean, at the end of the day, if i can't take a little stab at Justinum and JNoel, whats the point? Those two kids frequent the **** outa Knick threads. And there are plenty of good posters in the Knick forum. 50/50 i'd say, same as any fanbase. Most of them just don't waste their time in here. I haven't been posting in here nearly as much as i used to.


I have never had an agenda towards Melo, I simply think his skillset has been overrated for years. We have talked about this. I love his start this year, but to erase (or attempt to) the previous 8 seasons of inconsistency, its up to him. He is frustrating. Running off 10 games of "I am as good as anyone", followed by 15 games of complacency.

Let him prove it over 82, or hell, 95. Not 15.


I haven't really pumped up 'Melo or anything. I'm as surprised at his great start as anyone. To think one day i'd actually watch 'Melo pass out of a triple team.. Its a sight to behold.

Hawkeye15
12-03-2012, 03:27 AM
I mean, at the end of the day, if i can't take a little stab at Justinum and JNoel, whats the point?

fair enough


Those two kids frequent the **** outa Knick threads. And there are plenty of good posters in the Knick forum. 50/50 i'd say, same as any fanbase. Most of them just don't waste their time in here. I haven't been posting in here nearly as much as i used to.

I don't frequent the Knicks forum, I will take your word for it.



I haven't really pumped up 'Melo or anything. I'm as surprised at his great start as anyone. To think one day i'd actually watch 'Melo pass out of a triple team.. Its a sight to behold.

Dude, you have been a huge Melo critic the last 16 months, trust me, I think you are as rational as it gets for a Knicks fan.

It is odd, his start. Let's see if it continues

Kashmir13579
12-03-2012, 03:35 AM
It is odd, his start. Let's see if it continues

There was one game this year, i forget against who, it might've been the first game we lost. We were getting our butts kicked. 'Melo was complaining, not hustling back on D, chucking, poor body language.. The Works... I said to myself, this is where 'Melo reverts back to his old ways..
Later that week in a practice he told the media he was butthurt with not getting calls but he'd stop letting it get to his head. I haven't noticed it as much since and he's been putting up numbers.

RonE Coleman
12-03-2012, 03:44 AM
You have a good point. Most casual fans never had to deal with the NY wrath due to them being irrelevant for years. And now that they are a pretty damn good team, the fair weather fans have exploded, and flooded chat boards and media.

The last portion is a stab dude. No fanbase is as loyal, or irrational as NYs. This is a fact. I have to say, there are some great posters here that are Knicks/Nets fans, but the majority are tough to deal with.

I have never had an agenda towards Melo, I simply think his skillset has been overrated for years. We have talked about this. I love his start this year, but to erase (or attempt to) the previous 8 seasons of inconsistency, its up to him. He is frustrating. Running off 10 games of "I am as good as anyone", followed by 15 games of complacency.

Let him prove it over 82, or hell, 95. Not 15.

Its not as if there fair weather fans, the fans are there it just gets more interesting when you actually have a chance to win. Tell me why posters should come online and talk about a team who was paying 5 years and 40 million to jerome james lol.

I see you are a Wolves fan, I would guarantee if a Melo,KD,Bron type came to the Wolves to play with Love the amount of attention and fans would multiply tenfold.

And for the second part, that is just how it is here in New York. Things move so fast we have no patience for anything, if you are sitting at a red light in NYC for an extra 2 seconds there will be 10 different cars honking behind you haha

Kashmir13579
12-03-2012, 03:51 AM
Its not as if there fair weather fans, the fans are there it just gets more interesting when you actually have a chance to win. Tell me why posters should come online and talk about a team who was paying 5 years and 40 million to jerome james lol.

I see you are a Wolves fan, I would guarantee if a Melo,KD,Bron type came to the Wolves to play with Love the amount of attention and fans would multiply tenfold.

And for the second part, that is just how it is here in New York. Things move so fast we have no patience for anything, if you are sitting at a red light in NYC for an extra 2 seconds there will be 10 different cars honking behind you haha
dude, i hate New York City. I swear people just honk their horns mindlessly, even when the traffic is running smoothly. Everytime i go there i leave with a headache, chaffed thighs, and a lot less money.

I have a lot of friends from Long Island and their driving habits worry me. I won't even drive my car passed Rockland.

RonE Coleman
12-03-2012, 03:53 AM
dude, i hate New York City. I swear people just honk their horns mindlessly, even when the traffic is running smoothly. Everytime i go there i leave with a headache, chaffed thighs, and a lot less money.

I have a lot of friends from Long Island and their driving habits worry me. I won't even drive my car passed Rockland.

Im from Rockland. But idk how you can hate NYC. Its annoying to drive it but it is so much fun.

I feel you on the money thing though lol ill spend like 10$ on a watered down jack n coke its ridiculous :speechless:

Kashmir13579
12-03-2012, 03:56 AM
Im from Rockland. But idk how you can hate NYC. Its annoying to drive it but it is so much fun.

I feel you on the money thing though lol ill spend like 10$ on a watered down jack n coke its ridiculous :speechless:

The only reasons i go there are Broadway and basketball. Other than that i have no use for NYC.

RonE Coleman
12-03-2012, 04:03 AM
The only reasons i go there are Broadway and basketball. Other than that i have no use for NYC.

You must be older than me then lol.

Kashmir13579
12-03-2012, 04:06 AM
You must be older than me then lol.

i'm 23 i just enjoy the finer things in life

seikou8
12-03-2012, 04:08 AM
You have a good point. Most casual fans never had to deal with the NY wrath due to them being irrelevant for years. And now that they are a pretty damn good team, the fair weather fans have exploded, and flooded chat boards and media.

The last portion is a stab dude. No fanbase is as loyal, or irrational as NYs. This is a fact. I have to say, there are some great posters here that are Knicks/Nets fans, but the majority are tough to deal with.

I have never had an agenda towards Melo, I simply think his skillset has been overrated for years. We have talked about this. I love his start this year, but to erase (or attempt to) the previous 8 seasons of inconsistency, its up to him. He is frustrating. Running off 10 games of "I am as good as anyone", followed by 15 games of complacency.

Let him prove it over 82, or hell, 95. Not 15.

:nod: