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sunsfan88
11-30-2012, 06:50 AM
I think its fair to say that both these former superstar, Finals MVPs are both way past their prime. Neither one of them has no where close to the athleticism that they had say 4 or 5 years ago.

Both have been major disappointments this season to say the least. Wade has always been a mediocre shooter so it makes a bit of sense that his game drops so much when losing athleticism. But the same can't really be said for Paul Pierce. Pierce has always been a good shooter so people expected him to continue being good even at a very old age (kinda like Nash has been)

Miami hasn't really missed a beat even with Wade playing like crap but Boston on the other hand has flopped hard. With the departure of Ray Allen, they were probably counting more on Pierce this year a lot and he not met expectations.

So the question is, who has been the bigger disappointment so far this season? Paul Pierce or Dwayne Wade?

Pierce is averaging nearly 20 pts a game on a horrible 42% shooting though he is hitting at a respectable 41% from 3pt range.

Wade is averaging 18 pts a game on 46% shooting including a dismal 17% shooting from 3pt range.

Both Wade and Pierce have been decent on rebounds and assists so far this year. Defensively, Pierce is probably having a worse year than Wade....there are already quite a few ankle breakers on Pierce on Youtube early in this young season :p

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 07:08 AM
Small sample size bro.

Wade has had many great games so far this season.

Removing 1-3 stinkers he is averaging 22 / 5 / 5 on 50+% shooting which is excellent considering he is deferring for the sake of his team so guys like Allen can flourish and contribute in the offense.

He has only slightly disappointed me.

He115ing
11-30-2012, 07:33 AM
We are still in November, chill!

JNoel
11-30-2012, 09:08 AM
Wade is on a championship hangover season, which is a major theme for his play thus far. Though I have barely watched Pierce, he hasn't really been disappointing judging from his numbers. He may have got his "soul taken from him" a couple of times but I don't think his play keeps Celtics fans awake at night.

JasonJohnHorn
11-30-2012, 09:29 AM
I'll go with Wade... I was expecting him to bounce back this season, and he is MUCH younger than Pierce... no reason (outside of injury) that he shouldn't still be performing at his prime level.

kdspurman
11-30-2012, 10:21 AM
I thought Wade would be better cause he got surgery on his knee and was supposed to come back in great shape.

On the other hand Pierce and many of the Celtics look very lethargic at times. I think the expectations were higher for Wade, so I'd say Wade.

Chavacano
11-30-2012, 10:26 AM
Dwyane Tyrone Wade Jr.


Small sample size bro.

Wade has had many great games so far this season.

Removing 1-3 stinkers he is averaging 22 / 5 / 5 on 50+% shooting which is excellent considering he is deferring for the sake of his team so guys like Allen can flourish and contribute in the offense.

He has only slightly disappointed me.

^^ You just said "small sample size" yet you're removing "1-3 stinkers?" Won't that make the sample size smaller? :confused:



I'm also curious as to which "1-3 stinkers" you would remove to arrive for Wade to exactly average "22 / 5 / 5 on 50+% shooting." Please enlighten me. :o

Lakers4life08
11-30-2012, 10:37 AM
Wade is garbage, he should retire,and stop making fool of himself....he declined so fast, Nando De colo made Wade his b/tch

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 10:38 AM
Wade is garbage, he should retire,and stop making fool of himself.

:facepalm:

JordansBulls
11-30-2012, 10:40 AM
The Heat are more stacked this year so less for Wade to do and he is dealing with injuries and playing less than 34 mpg.

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 10:40 AM
You just said "small sample size" yet you're removing "1-3 stinkers?" Won't that make the sample size smaller? :confused:

Wade has had games of :

29 / 4ast
28 / 4ast
22 / 6ast
22 / 5ast
20 / 7ast
20 / 5ast

Omg he better retire now he is so crappy. :rolleyes:
He would be better off without him.

Amnesty Wade!

NYY 26 to 7
11-30-2012, 10:41 AM
Dwyane Tyrone Wade Jr.



^^ You just said "small sample size" yet you're removing "1-3 stinkers?" Won't that make the sample size smaller? :confused:



I'm also curious as to which "1-3 stinkers" you would remove to arrive for Wade to exactly average "22 / 5 / 5 on 50+% shooting." Please enlighten me. :o

Easily Wade. Pierce got embarrassed twice but other than that has been his typical self. The team has started slow but they have the last few years. Its an older team that is built now to just make the playoffs and then turn it on. It works for them - I hate it but it has worked well for them. If not for LeBron they might have been champs.

I'd be a little worried about Wade and his ability to stay healthy. He has always played with reckless abandon which is a credit to him but takes a toll on his smaller frame. The good thing for them is that they have LeBron who can carry the whole team. But I as much as Heat fans want to facepalm and call people stupid and whatever other things defensive fans say when people are just offering opinions, I think Wade would worry me if I were a Heat fan.

Cano4prez
11-30-2012, 10:46 AM
I'll go with Wade... I was expecting him to bounce back this season, and he is MUCH younger than Pierce... no reason (outside of injury) that he shouldn't still be performing at his prime level.

I'll go with this after a successful knee surgery and the supposed hiring of a shooting coach I thought wade would be back to his old self this year.

LongIslandIcedZ
11-30-2012, 10:46 AM
Wade is getting older, especially given his style of play.

He's playing for Championships, Lebron can get this team the 1 seed.

He'll turn it on eventually.

SteBO
11-30-2012, 10:47 AM
Easily Wade. Pierce got embarrassed twice but other than that has been his typical self. The team has started slow but they have the last few years. Its an older team that is built now to just make the playoffs and then turn it on. It works for them - I hate it but it has worked well for them. If not for LeBron they might have been champs.

I'd be a little worried about Wade and his ability to stay healthy. He has always played with reckless abandon which is a credit to him but takes a toll on his smaller frame. The good thing for them is that they have LeBron who can carry the whole team. But I as much as Heat fans want to facepalm and call people stupid and whatever other things defensive fans say when people are just offering opinions, I think Wade would worry me if I were a Heat fan.
Dude say what you want about Heat fans, but they know Wade's been **** so far. The problem is, I don't even think it's about health. He looked fine physically last night. His problem is lack of improvement on his jump shot and lackadasical, "I don't care, I got 2 rings" attitude that seems to give off at times ala the last couple of games. That upsets me more than anything.

I think it's a motivational thing, but I guess I'd rather have that be the issue than some random injury concern we aren't being let on about. All reports tell me is that his knees are fine now.

DanG
11-30-2012, 10:51 AM
I thought Wade would be better cause he got surgery on his knee and was supposed to come back in great shape.

On the other hand Pierce and many of the Celtics look very lethargic at times. I think the expectations were higher for Wade, so I'd say Wade.

This.

Right now Wade is not playing like expected, but it's not hurting the team so much because Bosh and Bron have been spectacular.

DR_1
11-30-2012, 10:53 AM
Wade is done. So great to see.

DanG
11-30-2012, 10:55 AM
Wade is done. So great to see.

:facepalm:

Im_in_Mia_bish
11-30-2012, 10:58 AM
wtf. leave wade alone. he's in the top 20 in scoring.

it's fine, as long as he continues to get better.
yes we get it that his athleticism isnt what it used to be and blah blah blah, but he isnt done.

in a few weeks, you'll be lookin really stupid.

dee279
11-30-2012, 10:59 AM
OMG all these Wade needs to give it up threads. Ok, he is not averaging 30 pts... No one is! He has the best player on his team, a top tier PF, the best shooter of all time, a team full of depth, and o yes do t forget the 2 rings. Wade knows he needs to stay healthy. He is not trying to wear his self down early so his motivation aint what it should be. We are still winning games though. The only thing I dont like is all the offseason **** where he was more worried about his book and shoe deal then getting his shot down and in top shape but the man will be alright. Once it starts getting midway through the season, you will see the difference.

Im_in_Mia_bish
11-30-2012, 10:59 AM
Wade is done. So great to see.

you're going to lose ur sig bet, thats even better to see. :cool:

Im_in_Mia_bish
11-30-2012, 11:06 AM
Wade is averaging 18.2 points, 4.4 boards, and 4.7 assists on 46% shooting, on 33.7 minutes per game lol

thats not bad, and it isnt super star worthy, he'll click, just like how kobe's numbers will fall off, wade's will rise. He had a few good games until that memphis game, which completely messed his average.

As he heals and strts averaging in the 20-25ppg, wade haters will go back in their caves and whine about somethin else.

Chavacano
11-30-2012, 11:08 AM
Wade has had games of :

29 / 4ast
28 / 4ast
22 / 6ast
22 / 5ast
19 / 7ast
19 / 5ast

^^ "Small sample size bro." ;)

Oh and fixed. :p


Omg he better retire now he is so crappy. :rolleyes:
He would be better off without him.

Amnesty Wade!

^^ I don't remember mentioning that "he better retire now he is so crappy" or that the Heat "would be better off without him." :confused:

And you still have yet to enlighten me as to which "1-3 stinkers" you would remove for him to average exactly "22 / 5 / 5 on 50+% shooting." :pity:

Im_in_Mia_bish
11-30-2012, 11:14 AM
And you still have yet to enlighten me as to which "1-3 stinkers" you would remove for him to average exactly "22 / 5 / 5 on 50+% shooting." :pity:

not to get involved in ur argument, but wade only had 2 bad games.
against the clippers and grizz, where he had 6 and 8 respectively, while shooting 20% in both lol..

so if we dont count those 2 games, he is shooting 73/143 = 51%, and 20.67 ppg

so its much more efficient, those 2 games really dragged his averages down.

StarvingKnick22
11-30-2012, 11:22 AM
As a Knick fan, this is great news! The worse they player The closer we get to a win!!!

Big Zo
11-30-2012, 11:24 AM
Wade is done. So great to see.

So is Gimpy Rose! Woot! Woot! :clap:

NYJ - NYY
11-30-2012, 11:32 AM
outside of the knicks.. wade's been my favorite player since coming into the league... hes showing decline but still can be a very very good player... maybe not elite or star anymore but still the 2nd option on a championship caliber team

Chavacano
11-30-2012, 11:34 AM
not to get involved in ur argument, but wade only had 2 bad games.
against the clippers and grizz, where he had 6 and 8 respectively, while shooting 20% in both lol..

so if we dont count those 2 games, he is shooting 73/143 = 51%, and 20.67 ppg

so its much more efficient, those 2 games really dragged his averages down.

^^ You could also argue that the three games where he shot 64.3%, 70% and 71.4% inflates his poor shooting %s for the majority of the 11 games he's played. :shrug:

Don't get me wrong. I think Wade's not done yet. Just simply (or showing signs of) declining and/or uninterested.

Jarvo
11-30-2012, 11:36 AM
:laugh: Wade is gonna beast come the Playoffs and Pierce also, Yeah they're falling off but you guys talk like they're ****ing D League players. Their teams still winning and doing fine it isnt that serious to make thread after thread about this, They both will turn it on when it matters the most.

Manimal
11-30-2012, 12:45 PM
I haven't seen Wade much, but Pierce disappointing? You're kidding right? Yea he got his ankles done a couple of times. But he has been performing quite well. Is still Celtics primary scoring option. I have been more disappointed with KG than Pierce.

b@llhog24
11-30-2012, 01:31 PM
Pierce is still playing well, he's posting a TS above 55% which is still fairly good. Wade hasn't been disappointing to me because I knew his decline was near, I just didn't know when it was going to happen.

Slug3
11-30-2012, 01:48 PM
I have to say Pierce and the reason why is Bron and Bosh have been playing good while Miami has 11-3 record. At this point Wades performance is not hurting the team.

GiantsSwaGG
11-30-2012, 01:50 PM
Wade is garbage, he should retire,and stop making fool of himself....he declined so fast, Nando De colo made Wade his b/tch

:laugh:

GiantsSwaGG
11-30-2012, 01:52 PM
Wade has sucked and pierce has been crossed/ankle break in every game

nickdymez
11-30-2012, 01:57 PM
Wade has had games of :

29 / 4ast
28 / 4ast
22 / 6ast
22 / 5ast
20 / 7ast
20 / 5ast

Omg he better retire now he is so crappy. :rolleyes:
He would be better off without him.

Amnesty Wade!

The advanced stat crew better come in here asap and call this guy "an idiot" for using "caveman stats".

GiantsSwaGG
11-30-2012, 01:59 PM
Wade has had games of :

29 / 4ast
28 / 4ast
22 / 6ast
22 / 5ast
20 / 7ast
20 / 5ast

Omg he better retire now he is so crappy. :rolleyes:
He would be better off without him.

Amnesty Wade!

:facepalm:

b@llhog24
11-30-2012, 02:55 PM
The advanced stat crew better come in here asap and call this guy "an idiot" for using "caveman stats".

His point is still valid. There's no need to.

YoungOne
11-30-2012, 03:05 PM
pierce still has the threeball wade still the refs. you pick.

nickdymez
11-30-2012, 03:07 PM
His point is still valid. There's no need to.

Why is his point valid, but others arent when they use "Stupid caveman stats"?

Chronz
11-30-2012, 03:19 PM
Why is his point valid, but others arent when they use "Stupid caveman stats"?

Because the caveman stats were of the team variety and conflicted with the more accurate barometer. There is no room for argument there.

What exactly do you think advanced stats would change about his argument? Or are you just making another lazy argument for the sake of your vendetta ?


If I were you I would be more interested in his use of selective analysis (regarding which games to look at).

b@llhog24
11-30-2012, 03:20 PM
Why is his point valid, but others arent when they use "Stupid caveman stats"?

You can use per game stats, cause "Advanced" lines are really just per game game stats that are weighed properly. I pick at per game stats when they are misleading. It's like someone claiming that Rondo is more efficient than Billups because Rondo has a higher FG%, yet Billups obliterates Rondo in TS%, Ortg, etc.

blahblahyoutoo
11-30-2012, 03:40 PM
pierce for sure, based on the 2 vids being posted around here recently.

Im_in_Mia_bish
11-30-2012, 05:36 PM
Wade's performances as of this year, and when we are done, get ready to slap yourselves for annoying us with this pathetic thread:

Bos- 29 points/ 3 rebounds/ 4 assists/ 10/22 FG
NYK- 15 points/ 5 rebounds/ 4 assists/ 7/10 FG
DEN- 14 points/ 3 rebounds/ 4 assists/ 5/12 FG
PHO- 22 points/ 3 rebounds/ 6 assists/ 9/14 FG
NETS- 22 points/ 2 rebounds/ 5 assists/ 10/14 FG (got an ankle injury)
MEM- 8 points/ 8 rebounds/ 3 assists/ 3/15 FG (played through injury)
HOU- 19 points/ 6 rebounds/ 7 assists/ 8/18 FG (got a left foot injury)
LAC- 6 points/ 3 rebounds/ 6 assists/ 2/10 FG (played through injury, lebron makes statement that wade should rest, so he can heal from his offseason knee surgery and to also recover his foot, ankle and shoulder injuries)
*Wade misses the next two games*
MIL- 28 points/ 3 rebounds/ 4 assists/ 11/21 FG
CLE- 18 points/ 7 rebounds/ 4 assists/ 6/15 FG
SAS- 19 points/ 5 rebounds/ 5 assists/ 7/17 FG (admitted that he's working on getting his rhythm back)

so besides 2 games that obv hindered his stats, wade has been ok.
as the season goes on and if he is healthy, he will only improve. the amount of disrespect shown to wade is just stupid.

He is a 2x Champion. dont say he's done after him playing 11 games idiots.

give it time.

Evolution23
11-30-2012, 06:12 PM
Dude say what you want about Heat fans, but they know Wade's been **** so far. The problem is, I don't even think it's about health. He looked fine physically last night. His problem is lack of improvement on his jump shot and lackadasical, "I don't care, I got 2 rings" attitude that seems to give off at times ala the last couple of games. That upsets me more than anything.

I think it's a motivational thing, but I guess I'd rather have that be the issue than some random injury concern we aren't being let on about. All reports tell me is that his knees are fine now.

His knees are fine but now the foot is a major issue.

SteBO
11-30-2012, 06:41 PM
His knees are fine but now the foot is a major issue.
Local reports stated his foot okay too, unless it's just the typical media trying to downplay it. We'll see I guess. All I know is Wade needs to be better than he has been.

LA_Raiders
11-30-2012, 06:42 PM
Wade. We all know Pierce is on the decline...

SportsFanatic10
11-30-2012, 07:01 PM
Wade's performances as of this year, and when we are done, get ready to slap yourselves for annoying us with this pathetic thread:

Bos- 29 points/ 3 rebounds/ 4 assists/ 10/22 FG
NYK- 15 points/ 5 rebounds/ 4 assists/ 7/10 FG
DEN- 14 points/ 3 rebounds/ 4 assists/ 5/12 FG
PHO- 22 points/ 3 rebounds/ 6 assists/ 9/14 FG
NETS- 22 points/ 2 rebounds/ 5 assists/ 10/14 FG (got an ankle injury)
MEM- 8 points/ 8 rebounds/ 3 assists/ 3/15 FG (played through injury)
HOU- 19 points/ 6 rebounds/ 7 assists/ 8/18 FG (got a left foot injury)
LAC- 6 points/ 3 rebounds/ 6 assists/ 2/10 FG (played through injury, lebron makes statement that wade should rest, so he can heal from his offseason knee surgery and to also recover his foot, ankle and shoulder injuries)
*Wade misses the next two games*
MIL- 28 points/ 3 rebounds/ 4 assists/ 11/21 FG
CLE- 18 points/ 7 rebounds/ 4 assists/ 6/15 FG
SAS- 19 points/ 5 rebounds/ 5 assists/ 7/17 FG (admitted that he's working on getting his rhythm back)

so besides 2 games that obv hindered his stats, wade has been ok.
as the season goes on and if he is healthy, he will only improve. the amount of disrespect shown to wade is just stupid.

He is a 2x Champion. dont say he's done after him playing 11 games idiots.

give it time.

THIS! now i'll be the first to admit that wade doesn't look fully like himself even when supposedly healthy this year, but miami has so many weapons. wade isn't concerned about "getting his" he just does what the team needs him to do. but no matter what his jumper is just terrible at this point and he needs to put in serious work on it. but to say he's done is laughable and completely false. as the season goes on he'll start to resemble the wade we're used to seeing and i think he'll have a big time playoffs this year.

mightybosstone
11-30-2012, 07:08 PM
The answer to this question has to be Wade. Pierce is five years older than Wade, so it was expected that he was going to decline at some point. Also, his production hasn't taken nearly the hit that Wade's has. Wade went from a top five player a year ago to being maybe the third or fourth best SG in the NBA and a borderline All-Star.

One interesting thing that I'm very interested to see as the season progresses is how they manage Wade and Allen's minutes. Because I don't think it's a huge secret whatsoever that Allen is a better fit on the floor with Lebron than Wade is because of his ability to hit open 3s. If I'm Spoelstra, I would stagger Lebron and Wade's minutes more to get Allen on the floor more often with either of them. His 3-point making with Lebron and Wade's playmaking is an absolute perfect match.

And a lineup of Mario, Allen, Lebron, Shard/Battier and Bosh is just crazy sexy for 3-point shooting and floor spacing. When Miami wants to really spread it out, they should just give Lebron the ball and put the other four guys at least 15 feet from the basket. That offense will just be unstoppable in the playoffs.

smith&wesson
11-30-2012, 07:40 PM
Im guessing that he is coasting untill the post season. the guys body has been through alot of injuries. its wise of him to take it easy a bit in the reg season. miami has the talent, they dont need him to go all out every night until the playoffs.

wade is a competitor. he can will his way to victories if he really wanted too. for now the younger lebron and bosh are carrying them..

BklynKnicks3
11-30-2012, 07:41 PM
Wow... Really, dude? Bitter much?

its the truth its the most pathetic way to win a chip

SportsFanatic10
11-30-2012, 07:42 PM
its the truth its the most pathetic way to win a chip

yep bitter for sure.

mightybosstone
11-30-2012, 08:26 PM
its the truth its the most pathetic way to win a chip

How is what Lebron, Wade and Bosh did any different than what happened in New York with Melo, Amare and Tyson? The only difference is that the Heat are far more talented and have had more success. But if the shoe was on the other foot, would you consider a Knicks championship with this roster "pathetic"? My guess is no.

Slug3
11-30-2012, 11:29 PM
its the truth its the most pathetic way to win a chip

So because lebron is better wade should ask to be traded from the team he has spent his entire career with because he will all of a sudden be chasing rings?

NYKNYGNYY
12-01-2012, 12:51 AM
Wade , the turtle is old

Im_in_Mia_bish
12-01-2012, 11:59 PM
Add wade's 34 point, 6 assist performance to the list.

;)

SportsFanatic10
12-02-2012, 12:12 AM
Add wade's 34 point, 6 assist performance to the list.

;)

it was 7 assists and zero turnovers as well :)

14/20 fg :cool:

Im_in_Mia_bish
12-02-2012, 12:14 AM
Lol wade is a beast.

Supreme LA
12-02-2012, 12:38 AM
Lol wade is a beast.

Small sample size :eyebrow:

#TrollSoHard

SportsFanatic10
12-02-2012, 12:46 AM
Small sample size :eyebrow:

#TrollSoHard

lol actually his few bad games are a small sample size and mostly due to injuries, wade has been a beast way more often then not. you're a clown.