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LoveMeOrHateMe
11-30-2012, 12:24 AM
He clearly doesn't look like the same player he was just 2 years ago, and IMO is differing to much to lebron now step your game up man! Is it age? Is he injured? Past his prime?

Lim
11-30-2012, 12:25 AM
It was a good run. Time to be the 3rd option kid. Best chance of repeat is with Chris Bosh as the 2nd option. I have a stuffed nose.

SteBO
11-30-2012, 12:26 AM
He'd rather sign books about his personal obstacles, than work with the shooting coach he said he was going to work with. Now, you're seeing the results of that. I'm not even sure it's about health anymore.....

kobe4thewinbang
11-30-2012, 12:27 AM
Heat forum? LOL

Avenged
11-30-2012, 12:27 AM
18ppg. A PER of 19.3.. I mean, he certainly isn't playing like a superstar, but he is still an all-star. Definitely not "done".

Baller1
11-30-2012, 12:27 AM
Looks unmotivated. Highly, highly unmotivated. Got another ring and seems content.

JesusNYY_Savior
11-30-2012, 12:28 AM
Injuries ruined his career he isn't explosive as he used to be and was never a great shooter

sixer04fan
11-30-2012, 12:29 AM
Sorry to hear that Lim. You should try blowing your nose with a tissue. If the problem persists, try taking an over the counter nasal decongestant. Just be sure to follow the instructions, because overdosing can be dangerous.

seikou8
11-30-2012, 12:29 AM
wow:facepalm:

Lim
11-30-2012, 12:30 AM
hes DONE. his athleticism is RAPIDLY declining and he still has no jump shot and barely any post game. recipe for being DONE. CHRISH BOSH NEEDS TO BE 2nd option for best shot at repeat!!

kobe4thewinbang
11-30-2012, 12:31 AM
He is declining, but why shouldn't he? Guy's been around since 04, if I remember correctly. Had some really bad injuries. And Miami needs to share the ball more. He'll still draw plenty of attention and he can still make big shots or drive in the lane when it matters most. Him and LBJ do crazy stuff in the fast break.

Alayla
11-30-2012, 12:32 AM
hes DONE. his athleticism is RAPIDLY declining and he still has no jump shot and barely any post game. recipe for being DONE. CHRISH BOSH NEEDS TO BE 2nd option for best shot at repeat!!

......LOL.... your making sixers fans look really REALLY bad dude just back away slowly before we get laughed at.

rocket
11-30-2012, 12:34 AM
NBA Forum. Where threads perfect for the team forum is in the NBA Forum.

kobe4thewinbang
11-30-2012, 12:34 AM
LOL, Bosh is even worse. He needs to get traded before Wade becomes a 3rd option. It's always LBJ & D-Wade carrying the load. Bosh only scores big during blowouts.

Slug3
11-30-2012, 12:36 AM
He ha yet to try an adapt his game. If he can do that he will be ok. If not he will be iverson in 2 years and will join his shoe company in china to play.

Slug3
11-30-2012, 12:36 AM
LOL, Bosh is even worse. He needs to get traded before Wade becomes a 3rd option. It's always LBJ & D-Wade carrying the load. Bosh only scores big during blowouts.

Have you watched any of the games this year?

Bruno
11-30-2012, 12:37 AM
just because he isn't dominating the league, doesn't mean he's done.

plus, none of this matters. we'll see whats actually left in the tank when the real season starts in April. most multi-ring champions aren't looking to break their backs in November..

Rndy
11-30-2012, 12:38 AM
He's turrible! My only problem with Wade is I question his worth ethic when it comes to shooting. he really hasn't shown a great improvement since coming into the league. With his insane talent there is something that doesn't add up.

kobe4thewinbang
11-30-2012, 12:39 AM
Have you watched any of the games this year?Yeah, and what the heck has Bosh done?

kswissdaf
11-30-2012, 12:40 AM
lol my fellow heat fans, cmon if you dont support D wade your not a loyal fan. If you were truly fan, you would never doubt D Wade

SteBO
11-30-2012, 12:40 AM
Yeah, and what the heck has Bosh done?
Averaging 20 & 8 on extremely efficient shooting.....:shrug:

seikou8
11-30-2012, 12:40 AM
LOL, Bosh is even worse. He needs to get traded before Wade becomes a 3rd option. It's always LBJ & D-Wade carrying the load. Bosh only scores big during blowouts.

lol wut

popo85
11-30-2012, 12:42 AM
He's not done just lost some athleticism.

RonE Coleman
11-30-2012, 12:43 AM
Ive said it before, he is expendable to that Heat team. The Heat should try and trade him while he is still perceived as a superstar for someone who fits better.

JNoel
11-30-2012, 12:43 AM
Its a combination of body wear and tear and unmotivation/disinterest playing in the regular season.

RaiderLakersA's
11-30-2012, 12:44 AM
I just can't believe that Wade is done. I won't believe it. Something is off, but he'll get it together. I mean it was just a couple of years ago when some people were projecting him as the second best 2-guard of all time. (You'll need to use the "search" feature to find said postings here in the PSD forum.) Whatever the issue(s), Wade isn't done. Not by a longshot.

DoMeFavors
11-30-2012, 12:44 AM
Joe should get the start in the all star game, with all due respect for Wade. Its time to pass the torch.

Ty Fast
11-30-2012, 12:44 AM
age and injuries but give credit where credit is due. he was a top 5 player for almost 10 years and has already had a hall of fame career.

justinnum1
11-30-2012, 12:47 AM
Joe should get the start in the all star game, with all due respect for Wade. Its time to pass the torch.

JJ is total trash this season. Even you know that.

LakersMaster24
11-30-2012, 12:48 AM
Glad we all agree that Kobe is still the best shooting guard in the league.

Wade is not done, but he is out of that "unstoppable mode". He still doesn't have a shot that he and his team can rely on game in and game out.

DoMeFavors
11-30-2012, 12:48 AM
JJ is total trash this season. Even you know that.

He came to the Nets and they are 10-4 he must be doing something right. He isnt trash at all he is playing d making good plays and scoring.

Mr. LA
11-30-2012, 12:48 AM
What do you mean by "done"? he isn't elite anymore but he's a good player .... done would be T-Mac .... Wade>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>T-Mac

Greedy22
11-30-2012, 12:48 AM
Joe should get the start in the all star game, with all due respect for Wade. Its time to pass the torch.

Seriously? He's been atrocious.

C-Style
11-30-2012, 12:49 AM
He ha yet to try an adapt his game. If he can do that he will be ok. If not he will be iverson in 2 years and will join his shoe company in china to play.

IMO I think that's a little too late for that

shep33
11-30-2012, 12:49 AM
He's not done. Dude is still great. That being said, the thing that bugs me most about him isn't his injuries this year, its that he doesn't seem to care when he's out there.

It's almost like once LBJ became the face of the team, Wade just took a step back and started coasting.

Once he regains his fire, he'll be fine

Greedy22
11-30-2012, 12:49 AM
He came to the Nets and they are 10-4 he must be doing something right. He isnt trash at all he is playing d making good plays and scoring.

He's shooting 39%, has a PER of 13.1, TS% .495....he's trash

yanksrock
11-30-2012, 12:50 AM
Joe should get the start in the all star game, with all due respect for Wade. Its time to pass the torch.

Yeah it's always about the Nets.

JNoel
11-30-2012, 12:50 AM
Joe should get the start in the all star game, with all due respect for Wade. Its time to pass the torch.

Ray Allen has a better chance of starting for the allstar team over Joe Johnson.

THE MTL
11-30-2012, 12:50 AM
19pts 5assists 5rebs tnight by Wade. I wouldnt call that done

DoMeFavors
11-30-2012, 12:50 AM
He's shooting 39%, has a PER of 13.1, TS% .495....he's trash

I dont got to say nothing look at 10-4

Mr. LA
11-30-2012, 12:50 AM
I'd take Joe Johnson or Dwayne Wade on my team ... js ...

justinnum1
11-30-2012, 12:51 AM
He came to the Nets and they are 10-4 he must be doing something right. He isnt trash at all he is playing d making good plays and scoring.

100% trash dude. Sorry but its true. Stackhouse has been better than him this season.

10-4? thank jerry

Mr. Baller
11-30-2012, 12:51 AM
He came to the Nets and they are 10-4 he must be doing something right. He isnt trash at all he is playing d making good plays and scoring.

The Heat are 11-3, first in the conference. Clearly D-Wade is doing something right.

RonE Coleman
11-30-2012, 12:52 AM
He's not done. Dude is still great. That being said, the thing that bugs me most about him isn't his injuries this year, its that he doesn't seem to care when he's out there.

It's almost like once LBJ became the face of the team, Wade just took a step back and started coasting.

Once he regains his fire, he'll be fine

Easier said than done, he doesn't seem interested at all.

akagiredsuns
11-30-2012, 12:52 AM
Ive said it before, he is expendable to that Heat team. The Heat should try and trade him while he is still perceived as a superstar for someone who fits better.

Trade him to the Bulls for Boozer & the CHA pick :) FYI that was sarcastic so no facepalms if you quote this please. I didn't mean it.

DoMeFavors
11-30-2012, 12:52 AM
100% trash dude. Sorry but its true. Stackhouse has been better than him this season.

10-4? thank jerry

Instead of watching 2 games watch every game....you arent a Net fan you dont know more than me about my team. Joe has been our 2nd best player behind Brook.

RonE Coleman
11-30-2012, 12:53 AM
I dont got to say nothing look at 10-4

How dumb are you? Knicks are 10-4 as well, I guess I can thank James Flight White for his contribution since hes new to the team and all

DoMeFavors
11-30-2012, 12:53 AM
The Heat are 11-3, first in the conference. Clearly D-Wade is doing something right.

Um he has the MVP and Bosh and a hell of a bench?

yanksrock
11-30-2012, 12:54 AM
I dont got to say nothing look at 10-4

Okay so by that logic, let's just start the entire Heat team for the all star game. Ladies and gentleman, Norris Cole and Mario Chalmers your east point guards.

Greedy22
11-30-2012, 12:54 AM
I dont got to say nothing look at 10-4

In spite of him.

JNoel
11-30-2012, 12:54 AM
Instead of watching 2 games watch every game....you arent a Net fan you dont know more than me about my team. Joe has been our 2nd best player behind Brook.

What about Deron? I'm pretty sure Brook Lopez is not the best player on the team.

Mr. Baller
11-30-2012, 12:55 AM
Um he has the MVP and Bosh and a hell of a bench?

Um he has the great brook lopez (one of the best centers in the league) deron williams (one of the best point guards in the league), gerald wallace, and of course jerry stackhouse.

DoMeFavors
11-30-2012, 12:57 AM
Um he has the great brook lopez (one of the best centers in the league) deron williams (one of the best point guards in the league), gerald wallace, and of course jerry stackhouse.

LeBron is the best player in the NBA and a top 5 player of all time. I dont understand why you are putting him down to make your argument?

yanksrock
11-30-2012, 12:57 AM
Um he has the great brook lopez (one of the best centers in the league) deron williams (one of the best point guards in the league), gerald wallace, and of course jerry stackhouse.

According to Domefavors, he's the best. Maybe greatest all time.

He really is a fanatic. Posts on emotion and not fact.

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 12:57 AM
Wade has had games of :

29 / 4ast
28 / 4ast
22 / 6ast
22 / 5ast
20 / 7ast
20 / 5ast

He has also had 1-3 stinkers which are dragging down his averages.
He is also purposely deferring for the betterment of his team so everyone on his team can flourish and contribute in the offense (Allen for example).

Unlike Kobe (who would kill himself if he didn't average 25ppg) Wade doesn't care about his stats.

Wade is still one of the ten best players in the entire league.
He will look better as the season progresses.

shep33
11-30-2012, 12:58 AM
This should probably be closed

justinnum1
11-30-2012, 12:59 AM
Instead of watching 2 games watch every game....you arent a Net fan you dont know more than me about my team. Joe has been our 2nd best player behind Brook.

JJ is trash so far this season, if you refuse to acknowledge it, that's cool.

this season stack>jj

Mr. Baller
11-30-2012, 12:59 AM
LeBron is the best player in the NBA and a top 5 player of all time. I dont understand why you are putting him down to make your argument?

I am just using your logic.

Joe Johnson is shooting under 40% from the field and you want him to start the all star game. Come on now, he has been awful this year.

Mr. LA
11-30-2012, 12:59 AM
Lebron isn't a top 5 player of all time ... will he be? probably is he right now? no

yanksrock
11-30-2012, 01:00 AM
LeBron is the best player in the NBA and a top 5 player of all time. I dont understand why you are putting him down to make your argument?

How is he putting him down??

He's merely saying the Nets have good pieces that can win many games despite Joe Johnson stinking up the joint by going 4 for 15 from the field with zero free throw attempts.

DoMeFavors
11-30-2012, 01:02 AM
I am just using your logic.

Joe Johnson is shooting under 40% from the field and you want him to start the all star game. Come on now, he has been awful this year.

Stop looking at the FG% that is a horrible stat to use, maybe if nets were losing it would matter but they are winning. Winning teams are the teams that have all stars. Joe is creating a lot of attention and letting people like Stackhouse get wide open shots to make them look better.

justinnum1
11-30-2012, 01:02 AM
Word of the day is despite

Now to use it in a sentence;

the nets are winning despite Joe Johnsons awful play.

Avenged
11-30-2012, 01:03 AM
Wade has had games of :

29 / 4ast
28 / 4ast
22 / 6ast
22 / 5ast
20 / 7ast
20 / 5ast

He has also had 1-3 stinkers which are dragging down his averages.
He is also purposely deferring for the betterment of his team so everyone on his team can flourish and contribute in the offense (Allen for example).

Unlike Kobe (who would kill himself if he didn't average 25ppg) Wade doesn't care about his stats.

Wade is still one of the ten best players in the entire league.
He will look better as the season progresses.

Nice!! This post from you was getting awkward until that little Kobe jab.

RaiderLakersA's
11-30-2012, 01:03 AM
Wade has had games of :

29 / 4ast
28 / 4ast
22 / 6ast
22 / 5ast
20 / 7ast
20 / 5ast

He has also had 1-3 stinkers which are dragging down his averages.
He is also purposely deferring for the betterment of his team so everyone on his team can flourish and contribute in the offense (Allen for example).

Unlike Kobe (who would kill himself if he didn't average 25ppg) Wade doesn't care about his stats.

Wade is still one of the ten best players in the entire league.
He will look better as the season progresses.

Damn, dude, I'm starting to believe everyone who says that you can't make a single post without mentioning Kobe. Your analysis was fine up until that point.

RonE Coleman
11-30-2012, 01:04 AM
Word of the day is despite

Now to use it in a sentence;

the nets are winning despite Joe Johnsons awful play.

Lol, this is funny.

I know you troll the Knicks on purpose because clearly you enjoy people getting riled up.

DMF on the other hand actually believes all the outrageously dumb things she says. That fool knows nothing about the game of basketball

HYFR
11-30-2012, 01:05 AM
Yea shut this down. Not even a heat fan but cmon wade is still top 10

justinnum1
11-30-2012, 01:05 AM
Wade has had games of :

29 / 4ast
28 / 4ast
22 / 6ast
22 / 5ast
20 / 7ast
20 / 5ast

He has also had 1-3 stinkers which are dragging down his averages.
He is also purposely deferring for the betterment of his team so everyone on his team can flourish and contribute in the offense (Allen for example).

Wade is still one of the ten best players in the entire league.
He will look better as the season progresses.

Fantastic point.
(i deleted the part about kobe, becuase that kills what is a fantastic point)

yanksrock
11-30-2012, 01:05 AM
Stop looking at the FG% that is a horrible stat to use, maybe if nets were losing it would matter but they are winning. Winning teams are the teams that have all stars. Joe is creating a lot of attention and letting people like Stackhouse get wide open shots to make them look better.

HAHA But 10-4 is a GREAT stat to use. Do you listen to yourself?

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 01:05 AM
Nice!! This post from you was getting awkward until that little Kobe jab.

Haha... I guess that was unnecessary.
:p

Lim
11-30-2012, 01:05 AM
Damn, dude, I'm starting to believe everyone who says that you can't make a single post without mentioning Kobe. Your analysis was fine up until that point.

his analysis is spot on actually. except hes talking like the only reason d wade has looked mediocre is because he is deferring. just watch the guy and you can see a CLEAR decline in athleticism. that plus no jump shot and minimal post game = DONE

JNoel
11-30-2012, 01:06 AM
I am just using your logic.

Joe Johnson is shooting under 40% from the field and you want him to start the all star game. Come on now, he has been awful this year.
Stop looking at the FG% that is a horrible stat to use, maybe if nets were losing it would matter but they are winning. Winning teams are the teams that have all stars. Joe is creating a lot of attention and letting people like Stackhouse get wide open shots to make them look better.

Lmao he clearly said by your logic.

DoMeFavors
11-30-2012, 01:07 AM
HAHA But 10-4 is a GREAT stat to use. Do you listen to yourself?

yeah look at Jason Kidds fg% in 2002 guess since he went to the finals and shot under 40 % he was horrible and shouldnt get any attention for actually getting them to WIN.

Bruno
11-30-2012, 01:07 AM
Nice!! This post from you was getting awkward until that little Kobe jab.

:laugh2:

i was waiting for it too.

RonE Coleman
11-30-2012, 01:08 AM
Wade has had games of :

29 / 4ast
28 / 4ast
22 / 6ast
22 / 5ast
20 / 7ast
20 / 5ast

He has also had 1-3 stinkers which are dragging down his averages.
He is also purposely deferring for the betterment of his team so everyone on his team can flourish and contribute in the offense (Allen for example).

Unlike Kobe (who would kill himself if he didn't average 25ppg) Wade doesn't care about his stats.

Wade is still one of the ten best players in the entire league.
He will look better as the season progresses.

As of RIGHT NOW, no he is not. Certainly not this season. Will he be by years ends? I honestly do not think so

And I would venture to say half of those assists come from throwing lobs and alley oops to Lebron on the fast break.

Mr_Jones
11-30-2012, 01:09 AM
Did something happen? I havent paid attention

RonE Coleman
11-30-2012, 01:09 AM
yeah look at Jason Kidds fg% in 2002 guess since he went to the finals and shot under 40 % he was horrible and shouldnt get any attention for actually getting them to WIN.

Can you stop? You just make yourself look bad.

Even when kidd was a terrible shooter in the beginning of his career, he was putting up 10 assists and 7 rebounds with ELITE defending.

JJ offers none of that

justinnum1
11-30-2012, 01:11 AM
yeah look at Jason Kidds fg% in 2002 guess since he went to the finals and shot under 40 % he was horrible and shouldnt get any attention for actually getting them to WIN.

he was actually doing other things on the court, like dishing out 10 assists a game and 7 rebounds.

JJ has been awful for the nets so far. There is nothing wrong with saying someone on your team is playing bad. Wade is playing bad. I know that you know that JJ has been a scrub so far this season. I also know you need to maintain character on this site. But i know. ;)

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 01:13 AM
As of RIGHT NOW, no he is not. Certainly not this season.
Well... we all have our own opinions.

I have him in my current Top 10.
Closer to 10 then to 1 but he will probably rise as the season progresses.

If you remove those 1-3 stinkers he has had his season averages are very good.
Something like 20-23 / 5 / 5 on 50+% shooting and he has been good defensively also.

yanksrock
11-30-2012, 01:13 AM
yeah look at Jason Kidds fg% in 2002 guess since he went to the finals and shot under 40 % he was horrible and shouldnt get any attention for actually getting them to WIN.

He did everything else for the team.

Joe Johnson shoots under forty percent and rarely takes FT attempts.

RonE Coleman
11-30-2012, 01:15 AM
Well... we all have our own opinions.

I have him in my current Top 10.
Closer to 10 then to 1 but he will probably rise as the season progresses.

If you remove those 1-3 stinkers he has had his season averages are very good.
Something like 20-23 / 5 / 5 on 50+% shooting and he has been good defensively also.

Fair enough although I do not agree. We are 14 games into the year, take away 2-3 stinkers from any elite player and the stats become skewed.

Its impossible to not notice Wades lack of interest though.

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 01:17 AM
Fair enough although I do not agree. We are 14 games into the year, take away 2-3 stinkers from any elite player and the stats become skewed.

Its impossible to not notice Wades lack of interest though.
I probably wouldn't take offense to anyone who has him outside their Top 10.

However some people are overreacting in an extreme manner saying he isn't Top 50 anymore or he is a fringe All-Star or he is "done" like the OP suggests.

SportsFanatic10
11-30-2012, 01:18 AM
wade doesn't look like himself out there, as a huge wade fan even i don't know what to make of it right now. i will say one thing though, hes definitely not "done" lol.

CubsBullsBucs
11-30-2012, 01:20 AM
remember when all the Heat fans were ranting and raving about how he's gonna to prove all of the doubters and haters wrong, and that he was going to come out healthy and have a great year.....??? ya..... injured, lost his explosiveness, and is a 3rd option. (imo ray allen fits lebron and bosh's games better anyways)

Bruno
11-30-2012, 01:20 AM
off years/slumps happen.

heat fans, this is what Laker fan experienced in 2011. everyone swore the decline of Kobe Bryant, while ignoring all the factors at hand. I dont know what Wades exact deal is, but he will be back at an elite level, don't fool yourselves into thinking otherwise.

RonE Coleman
11-30-2012, 01:21 AM
I probably wouldn't take offense to anyone who has him outside their Top 10.

However some people are overreacting in an extreme manner saying he isn't Top 50 anymore or he is a fringe All-Star or he is "done" like the OP suggests.

Oh no that is way too extreme, still top 20 for me but as of this season so far I don't consider him top 10.

I just think they should move him for someone who fits better. He and Lebron are really the same player except Lebron just does everything much better.

Although that is hard to do when he brought them their first championship.

justinnum1
11-30-2012, 01:23 AM
remember when all the Heat fans were ranting and raving about how he's gonna to prove all of the doubters and haters wrong, and that he was going to come out healthy and have a great year.....??? ya..... injured, lost his explosiveness, and is a 3rd option. (imo ray allen fits lebron and bosh's games better anyways)

remember when bulls fans said their new bench would be better than the old bench?

awful 3 pt shooting.
worse defense(no asik)

...

yanksrock
11-30-2012, 01:25 AM
off years/slumps happen.

heat fans, this is what Laker fan experienced in 2011. everyone swore the decline of Kobe Bryant, while ignoring all the factors at hand. I dont know what Wades exact deal is, but he will be back at an elite level, don't fool yourselves into thinking otherwise.

Yeah just wait for the playoffs. He's gonna be a baws!!

CubsBullsBucs
11-30-2012, 01:26 AM
remember when bulls fans said their new bench would be better than the old bench?

awful 3 pt shooting.
worse defense(no asik)

...

not EVERY Bulls fan said that, but EVERY heat fan said that about Wade. And even after seeing what Asik is doing, i still wouldnt want him. He cant shoot FT's and just because he is averaging 10-15ppg everyone is freaking out. No, with the minutes hes getting he better be. And clearly you arent paying attention, the Bench is getting better. Did you see Wednesdays game vs. Dallas??

PleaseBeNice
11-30-2012, 01:29 AM
hes killing my fantasy team as well

dee279
11-30-2012, 01:29 AM
:facepalm:

JNoel
11-30-2012, 01:29 AM
It's still an early season, Wade still has a ton of time to get it going. Also everyone knows he shows up come playoff time.

justinnum1
11-30-2012, 01:29 AM
not EVERY Bulls fan said that, but EVERY heat fan said that about Wade. And even after seeing what Asik is doing, i still wouldnt want him. He cant shoot FT's and just because he is averaging 10-15ppg everyone is freaking out. No, with the minutes hes getting he better be. And clearly you arent paying attention, the Bench is getting better. Did you see Wednesdays game vs. Dallas??

one game you want to point to?

i can do that to. did you see the game where wade had 29pts and 4 ast? or the game where he had 28pts and 4 ast.

C-Style
11-30-2012, 01:30 AM
age and injuries but give credit where credit is due. he was a top 5 player for almost 10 years and has already had a hall of fame career.

Why am I reluctant to believe that?

CubsBullsBucs
11-30-2012, 01:33 AM
one game you want to point to?

i can do that to. did you see the game where wade had 29pts and 4 ast? or the game where he had 28pts and 4 ast.

i am not pointing to just one game. Nate, Bellinelli, Taj, and Butler are all improving. Plus why would we overpay for Brewer, Korver and Asik when Rose is out??Wade is almost sad to watch. He is not going to age gracefully. I love watching Ray Allen and if Wade was hurt the rest of the year, it might not be a bad thing. Similiar to Amare in New York

dee279
11-30-2012, 01:33 AM
wade doesn't look like himself out there, as a huge wade fan even i don't know what to make of it right now. i will say one thing though, hes definitely not "done" lol.

This! I am one of Wade's biggest fans. He is the reason i am even a Heat fan. To say he is done is overreacting but he is not the same guy that he used to be though. It seems he needs to get his fire lit under him because i just dont see the motivation.

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 01:33 AM
Why am I reluctant to believe that?

He was Top 3 in four different years and Top 5 in two other years.

dee279
11-30-2012, 01:35 AM
It's still an early season, Wade still has a ton of time to get it going. Also everyone knows he shows up come playoff time.

Definitely. He is on cruise control it seems. He seems more lazy then "Done" as the OP stated.

dee279
11-30-2012, 01:36 AM
Why am I reluctant to believe that?

Because your a hater maybe?

Gagan136
11-30-2012, 01:46 AM
He looks a little lazier out there, if that's the correct word, right now they are winning games so i guess it doesn't matter, but when its time to win i expect him to be there.

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-30-2012, 01:53 AM
age and injuries but give credit where credit is due. he was a top 5 player for almost 10 years and has already had a hall of fame career.

It's a bit of a stretch to say for a 10 year span when he's only been in the league 9 years lol he was a top 5 player for about 2-3 years and pretty much top 10 all others

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-30-2012, 01:56 AM
LeBron is the best player in the NBA and a top 5 player of all time. I dont understand why you are putting him down to make your argument?

:facepalm:

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-30-2012, 01:57 AM
Wade has had games of :

29 / 4ast
28 / 4ast
22 / 6ast
22 / 5ast
20 / 7ast
20 / 5ast

He has also had 1-3 stinkers which are dragging down his averages.
He is also purposely deferring for the betterment of his team so everyone on his team can flourish and contribute in the offense (Allen for example).

Unlike Kobe (who would kill himself if he didn't average 25ppg) Wade doesn't care about his stats.

Wade is still one of the ten best players in the entire league.
He will look better as the season progresses.


Why is it always about Kobe with you? Lol even when it doesn't involve him you bring him in

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-30-2012, 01:59 AM
Well... we all have our own opinions.

I have him in my current Top 10.
Closer to 10 then to 1 but he will probably rise as the season progresses.

If you remove those 1-3 stinkers he has had his season averages are very good.
Something like 20-23 / 5 / 5 on 50+% shooting and he has been good defensively also.

And if you remove Kobe's 2-3 stinkers he'd probably be shooting 56%+ with 1-2 ast more

Jesse2272
11-30-2012, 02:01 AM
Its not the playoffs Wade is a beast

realy

Gibby23
11-30-2012, 02:04 AM
He was Top 3 in four different years and Top 5 in two other years.

That makes 6. He is in his 10th year now.

amos1er
11-30-2012, 02:07 AM
Maybe the refs need to stop focusing on Lebron so much and bring back D-Whistle.

WAYNEBO
11-30-2012, 02:26 AM
Wade's athleticism, much like Lebron's (to a lesser degree) is what carries him, not his shot, like Kobe and Melo. Kobe and Melo will age with diminishing skills at a slower rate. Not being a homer, just seeing that 3pt shooting and elite passing carries an older superstar better than anything else.

Punk
11-30-2012, 02:34 AM
He is done but unlike other guys who are jumpshooters now without their athleticism. He really isn't trying to improve it either. He doesn't seem like he cares and everything is a cake walk.

Only reason why Miami won the title was because they played with desperation, if they go back to their complacent attitude then they will run into a hungry team Boston, Brooklyn or NY team in the playoffs while they think they can turn it on and it could be too late. Regular season is very important and Wade is not taking it seriously to better himself or the team.

seikou8
11-30-2012, 02:39 AM
He is done but unlike other guys who are jumpshooters now without their athleticism. He really isn't trying to improve it either. He doesn't seem like he cares and everything is a cake walk.

Only reason why Miami won the title was because they played with desperation, if they go back to their complacent attitude then they will run into a hungry team Boston, Brooklyn or NY team in the playoffs while they think they can turn it on and it could be too late. Regular season is very important and Wade is not taking it seriously to better himself or the team.

no its not that important its all about being healthy in the playoffs and none of those teams could beat miami in 7 game series

Jahari Kavi
11-30-2012, 02:41 AM
like many have said he's declining, but he's far from done....if not for the other Heat options he could still avg. between 22-25 pts....Riley was smart getting Allen and Lewis though...I think the combo of Wade, Allen, and Lewis will all make their careers last longer, because they aren't asked to do as much.......Bosh in the mean time has become the Heat's second best player......

RonE Coleman
11-30-2012, 02:54 AM
Some good points being brought up. Guys like Kobe, Melo, Pierce will be able to play longer than Wade because they rely on technique and shooting ability. Wades always been a slasher without a good shot. It will be interesting to see if he expands his game when hes 32-33 and slashing to the rim no longer works.

THE MTL
11-30-2012, 03:41 AM
He came to the Nets and they are 10-4 he must be doing something right. He isnt trash at all he is playing d making good plays and scoring.

Miami is above you guys at 11-3. And Joe Johnson averages less than wade, shoots worse percentage, less steals, less blocks, less rebounds, and less points.

Are u ******** or slow? (pick one)

Supreme LA
11-30-2012, 04:10 AM
Wade's game has always relied on his speed and athleticism. Like Charles Barkley said "his days of breaking people down one on on are over." It's a little sad to watch but he has nobody to blame but himself for not developing the fundamentals of the game that make other players so skilled for long and successful careers.

I'd respect him much more if he would just put in the work. Watching him play is so annoying with all the whining about calls when he isn't even being fouled. He literally expects a ref to bail him out on every shot he misses.

nbrod
11-30-2012, 04:13 AM
He sucks ****

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 04:21 AM
durrr

Wade is very skilled.

Not sure why people are so ignorant to think "skill" is defined purely by how good of a jump-shooter you are.

Is Ray Allen more skilled then Kobe?

Wade has amazing court vision and passing ability.
Wade has excellent footwork.
Wade has amazing handles and balance.
Wade has an excellent post-game.
Wade has a number of patented moves that allow him to get off high percentage shots in the mid-range area and around the basket.

Wade DOES have a jump-shot.
It is not nearly as refined as say Bryant's but he has one.

Wade is shooting 45% this year from 16+ feet and further out.

chrisf975
11-30-2012, 04:21 AM
he was actually doing other things on the court, like dishing out 10 assists a game and 7 rebounds.

JJ has been awful for the nets so far. There is nothing wrong with saying someone on your team is playing bad. Wade is playing bad. I know that you know that JJ has been a scrub so far this season. I also know you need to maintain character on this site. But i know. ;)

I wouldn't say say Joe Johnson has been a scrub even though he has been shooting terribly. He still plays solid defense passes well. His shooting will come along. If Joe Johnson is playing like a scrub because of Fg% then so is Dwill I guess. But the Nets are 10-4 so they must be doing something right.

MetroMan
11-30-2012, 04:24 AM
Wade is not done. Give him till the all star break

3ballbomber
11-30-2012, 04:53 AM
Looks unmotivated. Highly, highly unmotivated. Got another ring and seems content.
This.

Wade is a true underdog and always played his best trying to prove doubters wrong and playing against the odds. The dynamics in Miami isn't working for the type of player that he is. Wade leads his own team not defer to other stars and play second fiddle. Shame, because i think he still has it in him.

Baller1
11-30-2012, 04:53 AM
Wade is not done. Give him till the all star break

Yeah. Pretty much this.

I don't think "done" is the appropriate term... He's gotta get something figured out though.

Hawkeye15
11-30-2012, 04:55 AM
his style of play dictated that he would not have a long career at a dominant level, but I am surprised he is already falling off a cliff, so to speak. From what I have read, he has gone a bit hollywood, so I am not sure that injuries are the reason. I think he very well might be feeling like he doesn't need to prove anything anymore, so he is taking it easy.

Sad really.

Hawkeye15
11-30-2012, 04:56 AM
Wade's athleticism, much like Lebron's (to a lesser degree) is what carries him, not his shot, like Kobe and Melo. Kobe and Melo will age with diminishing skills at a slower rate. Not being a homer, just seeing that 3pt shooting and elite passing carries an older superstar better than anything else.

meh, LeBron has been impervious to injury. Wade has not. There are really no similarities. I do think that so many are just waiting for LeBron to fall off when he hits 30ish, when in reality, we haven't seen an athletic specimen like this before.

RonE Coleman
11-30-2012, 04:58 AM
Wade is very skilled.

Not sure why people are so ignorant to think "skill" is defined purely by how good of a jump-shooter you are.

Is Ray Allen more skilled then Kobe?

Wade has amazing court vision and passing ability.
Wade has excellent footwork.
Wade has amazing handles and balance.
Wade has an excellent post-game.
Wade has a number of patented moves that allow him to get off high percentage shots in the mid-range area and around the basket.

Wade DOES have a jump-shot.
It is not nearly as refined as say Bryant's but he has one.

Wade is shooting 45% this year from 16+ feet and further out.

Not saying Ray Allen is more skilled than Kobe, but Ray has mastered his craft. Running off screens and the 3 pt shot.

Wades game throughout his career has been based on athleticism and slashing. That stuff goes away with age, hence the reason MJ developed his post fade in his 30s and Kobe has done the same thing.

I'm just saying guys like Kobe, Melo, Pierce can play longer because they do not rely on athleticism really. With them its all about footwork, technique, craftiness and shooting ability.

Maybe Wade develops some of this but Idk he sure does not look like it so far.

Maybe I will be wrong about him, time will tell.

RonE Coleman
11-30-2012, 05:00 AM
meh, LeBron has been impervious to injury. Wade has not. There are really no similarities. I do think that so many are just waiting for LeBron to fall off when he hits 30ish, when in reality, we haven't seen an athletic specimen like this before.

Father time is undefeated.

Sactown
11-30-2012, 05:00 AM
meh, LeBron has been impervious to injury. Wade has not. There are really no similarities. I do think that so many are just waiting for LeBron to fall off when he hits 30ish, when in reality, we haven't seen an athletic specimen like this before.

I actually think the way Lebron is heading if he actually did slow down, with improved post play and his size he could end up as a PF if he does lose a step.. I Don't ever see him becoming anything less than a star, he has to high of a basketball IQ. He's always going to be a serious weapon.

Hawkeye15
11-30-2012, 05:00 AM
Not saying Ray Allen is more skilled than Kobe, but Ray has mastered his craft. Running off screens and the 3 pt shot.

Wades game throughout his career has been based on athleticism and slashing. That stuff goes away with age, hence the reason MJ developed his post fade in his 30s and Kobe has done the same thing.

I'm just saying guys like Kobe, Melo, Pierce can play longer because they do not rely on athleticism really. With them its all about footwork, technique, craftiness and shooting ability.

Maybe Wade develops some of this but Idk he sure does not look like it so far.

Maybe I will be wrong about him, time will tell.

Not only your points, but none of them went 400 mph into the lane and ate **** to draw a foul 100 times a year. That style of play was going to take a toll, period. Also, Wade is 6'4" when he wakes up. Without that lift, he becomes undersized.

Hawkeye15
11-30-2012, 05:01 AM
I actually think the way Lebron is heading if he actually did slow down, with improved post play and his size he could end up as a PF if he does lose a step.. I Don't ever see him becoming anything less than a star, he has to high of a basketball IQ. He's always going to be a serious weapon.

I actually think you are right, he will move to PF later, though it will still be a ball controlling guard, on a team that plays with confusing looking positions.

Sactown
11-30-2012, 05:06 AM
I actually think you are right, he will move to PF later, though it will still be a ball controlling guard, on a team that plays with confusing looking positions.

He could run an offense much like Chuck Hayes in the high post with his passing ability, he's a pretty good mid range shooter so you can't sag off of him and even when he's 35 he'll be to quick for PF's. A lot of people don't understand how big this guy really is 6'8 and 260 is big enough to play PF. Lebron is to good to not adjust to his declining athleticism. It's not he's going to wake up one day and be like well can't jump and run anymore.. Only blind haters think he's going to have a serious drop off.

Wade on the other hand is a completely different player. He plays much like AI did when running through the lane with reckless abandon, and over the years that many hits will take a toll on you, just like a running back in the NFL.. He might be only 31 but he has many more miles on him than other SG's in the league because of that, and later in his career he will either have to improve his footwork and shooting (much like Kobe Bryant) or his career will start to head south.

RonE Coleman
11-30-2012, 05:06 AM
Not only your points, but none of them went 400 mph into the lane and ate **** to draw a foul 100 times a year. That style of play was going to take a toll, period. Also, Wade is 6'4" when he wakes up. Without that lift, he becomes undersized.

Yes and does Wade strike you as the type like MJ,Kobe, Pierce to refine his game so he can play into this 30's?

Really doesn't seem like it for me.

Hawkeye15
11-30-2012, 05:07 AM
Yes and does Wade strike you as the type like MJ,Kobe, Pierce to refine his game so he can play into this 30's?

Really doesn't seem like it for me.

He doesn't honestly. And I keep reading that he really didn't work on his game this summer, instead resting (I know he had surgery). But he seems to always be recovering from an ailment. That prohibits further development.

RonE Coleman
11-30-2012, 05:08 AM
I hate lebron but with him when he loses his athleticism I have no doubt he will add different aspects to his game.

Wade simply does not strike me as the type, I could be wrong though.

Hawkeye15
11-30-2012, 05:08 AM
He could run an offense much like Chuck Hayes in the high post with his passing ability, he's a pretty good mid range shooter so you can't sag off of him and even when he's 35 he'll be to quick for PF's. A lot of people don't understand how big this guy really is 6'8 and 260 is big enough to play PF. Lebron is to good to not adjust to his declining athleticism. It's not he's going to wake up one day and be like well can't jump and run anymore.. Only blind haters think he's going to have a serious drop off.

Wade on the other hand is a completely different player. He plays much like AI did when running through the lane with reckless abandon, and over the years that many hits will take a toll on you, just like a running back in the NFL.. He might be only 31 but he has many more miles on him than other SG's in the league because of that, and later in his career he will either have to improve his footwork and shooting (much like Kobe Bryant) or his career will start to head south.

I am sorry, but that made me laugh so hard

RonE Coleman
11-30-2012, 05:09 AM
He doesn't honestly. And I keep reading that he really didn't work on his game this summer, instead resting (I know he had surgery). But he seems to always be recovering from an ailment. That prohibits further development.

Yea this is what I'm saying. He really doesn't seem like he cares. Maybe he expects to turn it on when the playoffs come around? Easier said then done though.

Hawkeye15
11-30-2012, 05:10 AM
I hate lebron but with him when he loses his athleticism I have no doubt he will add different aspects to his game.

Wade simply does not strike me as the type, I could be wrong though.

well, Bron is so big too, he will just live at the line in his later years. And court vision and ball handling never go away.

Sactown
11-30-2012, 05:10 AM
I am sorry, but that made me laugh so hard

Yes I know as silly as it sounds, but Chuck is a very good passer for his position.. I think you understood what I meant.. It's not like I was referring to him being a replica.. lol.

Hawkeye15
11-30-2012, 05:11 AM
Yes I know as silly as it sounds, but Chuck is a very good passer for his position.. I think you understood what I meant.. It's not like I was referring to him being a replica.. lol.

oh, I understood for sure, I just laughed hard when I read the first line. I honestly think you have a very clear understanding of the game, and I would take your opinion of anything basketball related over most.

Chuckwagon dude

Sactown
11-30-2012, 05:12 AM
Also another problem for Wade is his size, he currently makes up for it with his athleticism, but later in his career it's going to be hard when he's shorter than the opposition night in and night out. Honestly it would be best for Wade to work on his court vision and try switching over to the PG position. Build a post game and try to mold yourself as Jason Kidd a bit.. A large PG who can pass the ball and can bully other PG's in the paint.

Hawkeye15
11-30-2012, 05:13 AM
Also another problem for Wade is his size, he currently makes up for it with his athleticism, but later in his career it's going to be hard when he's shorter than the opposition night in and night out. Honestly it would be best for Wade to work on his court vision and try switching over to the PG position. Build a post game and try to mold yourself as Jason Kidd a bit.. A large PG who can pass the ball and can bully other PG's in the paint.

I literally just said that too. He is 6'4" when he wakes up. As he ages, he will be in a negative position.

Sactown
11-30-2012, 05:15 AM
oh, I understood for sure, I just laughed hard when I read the first line. I honestly think you have a very clear understanding of the game, and I would take your opinion of anything basketball related over most.

Chuckwagon dude

Also honestly it would benefit Wade to play with Lebron into his twilight years and move over to the PG position, lose weight to try to get quicker and develop a shot, because being 6'4 and 35 years old is going to make it hard to defend against the bigger gaurds in the league.

Sactown
11-30-2012, 05:19 AM
I literally just said that too. He is 6'4" when he wakes up. As he ages, he will be in a negative position.

He needs to drop the muscle and weight and become a scoring Pg. seriously would be the best way to go, that way if he loses speed he can make up for it with being stronger than the other PG's, he should also join Lebron in the off seasons and work on his footwork. With Miami having Bosh and Lebron they should really be running plays through them and having Wade be more off the ball, he isn't as explosive and can't get to the rim at ease anymore. His numbers would go down, but I think he'd be more efficient and get better looks.

Hawkeye15
11-30-2012, 05:20 AM
He needs to drop the muscle and weight and become a scoring Pg. seriously would be the best way to go, that way if he loses speed he can make up for it with being stronger than the other PG's, he should also join Lebron in the off seasons and work on his footwork. With Miami having Bosh and Lebron they should really be running plays through them and having Wade be more off the ball, he isn't as explosive and can't get to the rim at ease anymore. His numbers would go down, but I think he'd be more efficient and get better looks.

I couldn't agree more, but I would give it until the summer of 2014 before I made that my primary goal if I were Wade.

Quietmoney
11-30-2012, 05:26 AM
Lol, this is funny.

I know you troll the Knicks on purpose because clearly you enjoy people getting riled up.

DMF on the other hand actually believes all the outrageously dumb things she says. That fool knows nothing about the game of basketball

DMF is a woman?? :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: no wonder none of the posts make any sense.

Sactown
11-30-2012, 05:28 AM
I couldn't agree more, but I would give it until the summer of 2014 before I made that my primary goal if I were Wade.

Yeah I doubt one day he wakes up and say's "Spo, I'm aging so make me the PG". I think he's going to have to lose weight throughout time and make it an effort to get quicker and to become more effective outside shooter. With Lebron as the primary ball handler it gives Miami the option of doing it throughout time and waiting till they find a shooting guard who can come in and play along side Wade and Lebron. I seriously think Lebron is going to keep Wade from crashing, Lebron already takes a ton of pressure off of Wade and gives him more room to work so he doesn't get banged so often. The millage is going to hurt Wade more than his age. His Knees just can't keep going through the lane and getting smacked on his ***.

Supreme LA
11-30-2012, 05:48 AM
Wade is very skilled.

Not sure why people are so ignorant to think "skill" is defined purely by how good of a jump-shooter you are.

Is Ray Allen more skilled then Kobe?

Wade has amazing court vision and passing ability.
Wade has excellent footwork.
Wade has amazing handles and balance.
Wade has an excellent post-game.
Wade has a number of patented moves that allow him to get off high percentage shots in the mid-range area and around the basket.

Wade DOES have a jump-shot.
It is not nearly as refined as say Bryant's but he has one.

Wade is shooting 45% this year from 16+ feet and further out.

Wade does not have excellent skills.
Wade does not have any footwork aside from a euro-step.
Wade does not have excellent court vision. If so compared to who? No where near Lebron's.
Wade doesn't have an excellent handle because he carries the ball to get where he wants to go most of the time and if his balance was so great then why does he always land on the floor?
Wade has a mediocre post game. He's never been consistent in that area. By saying his post game is excellent you're extremely overrating him. Kobe has an excellent post game. Wade comes nowhere near.
Wade has one patented shot and that is the euro-step to up and under layup.

His jump shot is also weak. You are seriously overrating this guy and the fact that you say he is excellent in any of these areas just proves you know nothing.

Talk about way overrating a guy :facepalm:

Sactown
11-30-2012, 05:55 AM
Wade does not have excellent skills.
Wade does not have any footwork aside from a euro-step.
Wade does not have excellent court vision. If so compared to who? No where near Lebron's.
Wade doesn't have an excellent handle because he carries the ball to get where he wants to go most of the time and if his balance was so great then why does he always land on the floor?
Wade has a mediocre post game. He's never been consistent in that area. By saying his post game is excellent you're extremely overrating him. Kobe has an excellent post game. Wade comes nowhere near.
Wade has one patented shot and that is the euro-step to up and under layup.

His jump shot is also weak. You are seriously overrating this guy and the fact that you say he is excellent in any of these areas just proves you know nothing.

Talk about way overrating a guy :facepalm:

Wade is actually a very good defender because of his speed and strength and does a great job at keeping his man in front of him, he's fundamentally sound.
Wade also is a great handler and splits double teams like no one else in this league and has a great understanding of how to get to the rim
Wade has a solid post game, he doesn't have the footwork of Kobe, but he can definitely get by in his later years especially if he switches over to PG.
Wade has great body control and balance.. he can twist his body is so many directions

Athleticism alone isn't enough to get by in this league, it's what separates Wade from Donte Greene Danny Greene, Nate Robinson, and many other super athletic freaks.. Wade is a crafty player who knows how to get to the line, he has much more skill than you give him credit for, but I do agree he's going to have to make an adjustment soon like every other star has had to.. stop being such a hater.

Supreme LA
11-30-2012, 06:00 AM
I love D-Wade. He's so sexy when he falls to the ground after no contact. I especially love the way he whines to the ref for calls. He is just a stud in my eyes but in the end I'd much prefer a 12-yr old boy instead.

What????

Supreme LA
11-30-2012, 06:02 AM
Wade is actually a very good defender because of his speed and strength and does a great job at keeping his man in front of him, he's fundamentally sound.
Wade also is a great handler and splits double teams like no one else in this league and has a great understanding of how to get to the rim
Wade has a solid post game, he doesn't have the footwork of Kobe, but he can definitely get by in his later years especially if he switches over to PG.
Wade has great body control and balance.. he can twist his body is so many directions

Athleticism alone isn't enough to get by in this league, it's what separates Wade from Donte Greene Danny Greene, Nate Robinson, and many other super athletic freaks.. Wade is a crafty player who knows how to get to the line, he has much more skill than you give him credit for, but I do agree he's going to have to make an adjustment soon like every other star has had to.. stop being such a hater.

Maybe I went a bit far on some of those points but to say he is excellent in any of those areas is seriously overrating the guy. He has average skills with diminishing athletic ability. That's the truth.

Sactown
11-30-2012, 06:04 AM
Maybe I went a bit far on some of those points but to say he is excellent in any of those areas is seriously overrating the guy. He has average skills with diminishing athletic ability. That's the truth.

He does everything very well, but I couldn't say he's fantastic in to many areas, He is a great rebounder for his size, and it's obvious he's a master at timing shots since he is the best shot blocking shooting guard I've ever seen.
His defense isn't something I'd worry about if he switches to defending PG's, but his offense is what's going to hurt most unless he improves his jump shots so players have to play up on him more.

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 06:10 AM
Wade does not have excellent skills.
Yes he does.


Wade does not have any footwork aside from a euro-step.
Wade's overall footwork is excellent especially in the post.


Wade does not have excellent court vision. If so compared to who? No where near Lebron's.
Off the top of my head I can't think of another SG in the league with better court vision and passing ability.
He is certainly well above your favorite player in that respect.


Wade doesn't have an excellent handle because he carries the ball to get where he wants to go most of the time and if his balance was so great then why does he always land on the floor?
Wade has one of the best handles in the league and his balance is amazing.
He doesn't always land on the floor and when he does its because of contact.


Wade has a mediocre post game. He's never been consistent in that area. By saying his post game is excellent you're extremely overrating him. Kobe has an excellent post game. Wade comes nowhere near.
Wade's post game isn't far below Kobe's.
It is certainly not inconsistent.
You are either trolling or you don't watch alot of Wade.


Wade has one patented shot and that is the euro-step to up and under layup.
Wade has a number of moves he uses in the mid-range area to get off high percentage floaters and jumpers.

He also has a move where he creates separation from his man in the mid corner areas for a pullback jumper.
That is one of my favorites.


His jump shot is also weak.
He was an elite jump-shooter in 06, 09 and 2010.
This year he is shooting 45% from 16ft and out.

There is no reason he can't be a good jump-shooter since he has shown the ability in past years.


Talk about way overrating a guy :facepalm:
Talk about underrating a guy and having an insanely poor grasp on his abilitys and skillset.

Sactown
11-30-2012, 06:12 AM
Andrew and Supreme LA, you're both way to far on opposite sides of the spectrum, he's more in the middle of what you guys claim he is.. and every time one of you overrates or underrates him more, the other person is just going to overrate/underrate the other person more... This is why these arguments never end. Just concede that he is better than you admit, or worse than you are willing to admit.

Supreme LA
11-30-2012, 06:15 AM
Andrew and Supreme LA, you're both way to far on opposite sides of the spectrum, he's more in the middle of what you guys claim he is.. and every time one of you overrates or underrates him more, the other person is just going to overrate/underrate the other person more... This is why these arguments never end. Just concede that he is better than you admit, or worse than you are willing to admit.

I just did that. Only Andrew won't concede because he has a man crush on Wade.

rhymeratic
11-30-2012, 06:16 AM
Refs aren't giving him bogus calls anymore now that Lebron is on the team. He looks slow on the court as well.

Supreme LA
11-30-2012, 06:19 AM
Refs aren't giving him bogus calls anymore now that Lebron is on the team. He looks slow on the court as well.

Refs aren't giving him bogus calls anymore because he's been exposed as one of the leagues biggest floppers. Not to mention the fact that anybody with eyes can see he is declining fast.

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 06:19 AM
Refs aren't giving him bogus calls anymore now that Lebron is on the team.

He never got "bogus calls" and if anything now the refs are purposely screwing him over.
Stern ordered them too after he yelled at him in that players meeting.

Supreme LA
11-30-2012, 06:20 AM
He never got "bogus calls" and if anything now the refs are purposely screwing him over.
Stern ordered them too after he yelled at him in that players meeting.

WoW :facepalm:

Sactown
11-30-2012, 06:22 AM
He never got "bogus calls" and if anything now the refs are purposely screwing him over.
Stern ordered them too after he yelled at him in that players meeting.
Any argument you had going your way definitely died right here. At this very moment. Even the line before this one was hurting you.

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 06:28 AM
Any argument you had going your way definitely died right here. At this very moment. Even the line before this one was hurting you.

Second line was a joke.
However Wade is one of the best slashers in league history.

Saying or believing he shouldn't have been able to draw FT's at a high rate especially under this new era's rules is just dumb, period.

He has never been given special treatment in comparison to other star players.

Supreme LA
11-30-2012, 06:31 AM
Second line was a joke.
However Wade is one of the best slashers in league history.

Saying or believing he shouldn't have been able to draw FT's at a high rate especially under this new era's rules is just dumb, period.

He has never been given special treatment in comparison to other star players.

That's funny because the first line about Wade never receiving bogus calls was hilarious.

You're so full of it that I won't even bother with you anymore.

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 06:32 AM
That's funny because the first line about Wade never receiving bogus calls was hilarious.

You're so full of it that I won't even bother with you anymore.

Maybe to people like you who want to find an excuse to diminish his greatness.

Supreme LA
11-30-2012, 06:34 AM
Maybe to people like you who want to find an excuse to diminish his greatness.

Greatness? Sure guy. Whatever you say :rolleyes:

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 06:34 AM
Greatness? Sure guy. Whatever you say :rolleyes:

Peak Wade > Peak Kobe
06, 09, 10 Wade >>> Any Kobe

Go away now.

And yes "greatness"
Wade is well on his way to finishing with a Top 20 career.

I think that is pretty great.

Sactown
11-30-2012, 06:35 AM
This is the relationship Maroon 5 was talking about in their most recent hit.

Supreme LA
11-30-2012, 06:36 AM
Peak Wade > Peak Kobe
06, 09, 10 Wade >>> Any Kobe

Go away now.

And yes "greatness"
Wade is well on his way to finishing with a Top 20 career.

I think that is pretty great.

Sure guy. I bet you're heartbroken now that he's just a shell of his former self :eyebrow:

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 06:39 AM
Sure guy. I bet you're heartbroken now that he's just a shell of his former self :eyebrow:
Shell of his former self?

Removing 1-3 stinkers he is averaging around 22 / 5 / 5 on 50+% shooting despite playing very unselfish ball so the new guys can flourish in the offense like Allen.

Wade is and has never been a "stat guy" but his ability hasn't waned as much as you think.

Cracka2HI!
11-30-2012, 06:41 AM
Wade needs to change his game. There is no need for his declining physical skill set with LeBron on the team. He is still a very good basketball player who should become a 3 pt shooter like Kidd. He could end up being the perfect PG for LeBron.

Ebbs
11-30-2012, 06:42 AM
Oh wellz. Get him out. Leave LeBron and Bosh to do work.

Seriously he's enfuriatinf to watch at times.

netsgiantsyanks
11-30-2012, 06:44 AM
Peak Wade > Peak Kobe
06, 09, 10 Wade >>> Any Kobe

Go away now.

And yes "greatness"
Wade is well on his way to finishing with a Top 20 career.

I think that is pretty great.

stats? evidence?

NYKNYGNYY
11-30-2012, 06:45 AM
He's going to the lakers for Pau Lol....na lebron killed his career imo

sammyvine
11-30-2012, 07:31 AM
wade has never been as good as kobe. his peak maybe, but overall never,

there is a reason why kobe has achieved more, but maybe its because wade got injured.

basketfan4life
11-30-2012, 07:39 AM
He never got "bogus calls" and if anything now the refs are purposely screwing him over.
Stern ordered them too after he yelled at him in that players meeting.

I read your post just because it was too short, i generally skip them. And the one i read, total BS.

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 07:45 AM
I read your post just because it was too short, i generally skip them. And the one i read, total BS.

Wade has never been given preferential treatment by the refs in comparison to other star players.

If you believe he has you're either ignorant or a hater.

You can believe what you want though.

amos1er
11-30-2012, 08:01 AM
Wade has never been given preferential treatment by the refs in comparison to other star players.

If you believe he has you're either ignorant or a hater.

You can believe what you want though.

:laugh2:

2006 Finals???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTKxxsDuDas&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLwaptt4I1Z3RavJmAnnFn1Q

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 08:09 AM
:laugh2:

2006 Finals???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTKxxsDuDas&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLwaptt4I1Z3RavJmAnnFn1Q

That clip shows three plays.
One is a clear foul and the only 1 of the other 2 is clearly a bad call.

That's all the proof you need right?
Try harder. :facepalm:

May aswell pull up a video of Shaq hitting a 3pointer and claim he was always a good 3pt shooter lol.

Jesse2272
11-30-2012, 08:12 AM
Dwayne Wade=this thread fail

meloman1592
11-30-2012, 08:22 AM
He was good but highly overrated. I dont think he's a top 5 player

DanG
11-30-2012, 08:26 AM
Well... we all have our own opinions.

I have him in my current Top 10.
Closer to 10 then to 1 but he will probably rise as the season progresses.

If you remove those 1-3 stinkers he has had his season averages are very good.
Something like 20-23 / 5 / 5 on 50+% shooting and he has been good defensively also.

Removing games... lol.

Give me your top 10 players right now.

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 08:33 AM
Removing games... lol.

Give me your top 10 players right now.
If I don't remove those games he "might" sink down into my Top 10-20.
I am not sure though because I haven't thought of who my current Top 10 might be.

Lebron, Durant, Duncan, Paul, Melo and Kobe are probably some of the names who would probably be on it just off my head.

HowFit
11-30-2012, 09:01 AM
LOL, Bosh is even worse. He needs to get traded before Wade becomes a 3rd option. It's always LBJ & D-Wade carrying the load. Bosh only scores big during blowouts.

Seriously?

Big Zo
11-30-2012, 11:28 AM
He was good but highly overrated. I dont think he's a top 5 player

But i'm sure you think Melo is...

Im_in_Mia_bish
11-30-2012, 11:30 AM
this post and everyone agreeing with it is stupid and worthless.

thoughts?

bucketss
11-30-2012, 11:33 AM
wow i knew kobe would have to been mentioned in here i swear we have these kinds of arguments everyday lol

anyways he looks like hes declined but still an all-star but according to wade himself he said hes just letting lebron take over because it didn't work when he was averaging 25 a game in their first year.

Lakers4life08
11-30-2012, 11:35 AM
He was good player,sad that he is done!!but its life...

NYJ - NYY
11-30-2012, 11:36 AM
wade might not be on the level he was years ago but he is still a very very good player... im a knicks fan and im standing up for him and its also cuz he's my favorite player in the league next to mello but he is the 2nd option on a championship caliber team and i still think he can dominate when he needs to but doesnt with bron and bosh on the team along with allen ... hes getting older yes... but the team around him is better so he doesnt have to do as much as he used too...

BklynKnicks3
11-30-2012, 11:40 AM
Funny i told ya that 6 months ago. According to most he is better then Melo lmao

bucketss
11-30-2012, 11:41 AM
ofcourse hes better than melo

Big Zo
11-30-2012, 11:42 AM
Funny i told ya that 6 months ago. According to most he is better then Melo lmao

The guy that's made it out of the first round like once in his career? Yes. :)

JordansBulls
11-30-2012, 11:44 AM
just because he isn't dominating the league, doesn't mean he's done.

plus, none of this matters. we'll see whats actually left in the tank when the real season starts in April. most multi-ring champions aren't looking to break their backs in November..

This especially no matter how he plays now that Lebron will be the one who will be getting all the credit. Hell even there first year together Wade didn't even finish as high as Lebron in MVP voting, so what is the point of going all out in the season for him? Only thing he may go all out for now is Finals mvp.

bucketss
11-30-2012, 11:47 AM
The guy that's made it out of the first round like once in his career? Yes. :)

what are you talking about monta never made it ou... oh my bad you said melo:)

bucketss
11-30-2012, 11:49 AM
This especially no matter how he plays now that Lebron will be the one who will be getting all the credit. Hell even there first year together Wade didn't even finish as high as Lebron in MVP voting, so what is the point of going all out in the season for him? Only thing he may go all out for now is Finals mvp.

Exactly these fools are putting melo over him now wait untill the playoffs people been doubting wade his whole career nothing new.

Money_23
11-30-2012, 11:51 AM
Wade is still the best SG in the league
kidding

He115ing
11-30-2012, 11:53 AM
Wade relies a lot on his athleticism, that is his bread and butter. It has always been know that players who rely a lot on their athleticism wane quicker than pure shooters or players with a good post up game.

I still think it is too early in the season to write Wade off, but as times goes on he needs to work on his shooting more and maybe slowly shift to a role of a distributor and not a scorer.

ManRam
11-30-2012, 11:55 AM
Wade was EASILY a top 3 player in the regular season last year when healthy. Yes, he had a bad playoffs, but he was hurt. Sure, he's off to a slow start. But I don't think you fall off a cliff as quickly as this would be. 9 months ago he was an absolutely elite player, as good as ever even.

But I'm not going to label a 30 year old "done" because of an injury-riddled playoffs and a bad start to a season. I don't think he suddenly just forgot how to play.

Iron24th
11-30-2012, 12:00 PM
Done? Really? Not yet.

BklynKnicks3
11-30-2012, 12:03 PM
The guy that's made it out of the first round like once in his career? Yes. :)

we not talking career right now and last year he doesnt touch Melo. Its like saying duncan n kg are still top 5. Face it ya boy is a has been

Big Zo
11-30-2012, 12:10 PM
we not talking career right now and last year he doesnt touch Melo. Its like saying duncan n kg are still top 5. Face it ya boy is a has been

"Ma boy" just got his second ring, and is in contention for another one. Let's see Melo get out of the first round before we go crowning him a top 5 player, and God's gift to basketball.

bucketss
11-30-2012, 12:11 PM
we not talking career right now and last year he doesnt touch Melo. Its like saying duncan n kg are still top 5. Face it ya boy is a has been

last year wade put up better numbers, melo played one of his worst seasons last year.

ManRam
11-30-2012, 12:11 PM
we not talking career right now and last year he doesnt touch Melo. Its like saying duncan n kg are still top 5. Face it ya boy is a has been

And right now Anderson Varejao is playing the best basketball of any center in the NBA. That doesn't make him a better player.

Melo is playing better than Wade, but a month's worth of play isn't going to convince me that "Melo is a better player than Wade". In two or three months if Wade is still struggling, then I'll be agreeing with you. But it's Novemeber, and Wade was a far superior player to Melo last year.

I don't get why people are so quick to label people as "done".

Big Zo
11-30-2012, 12:16 PM
And right now Anderson Varejao is playing the best basketball of any center in the NBA. That doesn't make him a better player.

Melo is playing better than Wade, but a month's worth of play isn't going to convince me that "Melo is a better player than Wade". In two or three months if Wade is still struggling, then I'll be agreeing with you. But it's Novemeber, and Wade was a far superior player to Melo last year.

I don't get why people are so quick to label people as "done".

Shhhh! Melo is from New Yawk, and he wear stupid interlocking "NY's" on his hats n shihh. He better.

LongIslandIcedZ
11-30-2012, 12:17 PM
And right now Anderson Varejao is playing the best basketball of any center in the NBA. That doesn't make him a better player.

Melo is playing better than Wade, but a month's worth of play isn't going to convince me that "Melo is a better player than Wade". In two or three months if Wade is still struggling, then I'll be agreeing with you. But it's Novemeber, and Wade was a far superior player to Melo last year.

I don't get why people are so quick to label people as "done".

This is fair.

BklynKnicks3
11-30-2012, 01:52 PM
And right now Anderson Varejao is playing the best basketball of any center in the NBA. That doesn't make him a better player.

Melo is playing better than Wade, but a month's worth of play isn't going to convince me that "Melo is a better player than Wade". In two or three months if Wade is still struggling, then I'll be agreeing with you. But it's Novemeber, and Wade was a far superior player to Melo last year.

I don't get why people are so quick to label people as "done".

Its not 1 month go back to last month of last season and the playoffs add it with the first month this year these 2 guys are on diffrent planets

BklynKnicks3
11-30-2012, 01:54 PM
"Ma boy" just got his second ring, and is in contention for another one. Let's see Melo get out of the first round before we go crowning him a top 5 player, and God's gift to basketball.

lol ye because if u replace wade with melo they dont win those rings are not worth as much when u win them playing 2nd fiddle its like when clyde drexler won with rockets

bucketss
11-30-2012, 02:09 PM
lol ye because if u replace wade with melo they dont win those rings are not worth as much when u win them playing 2nd fiddle its like when clyde drexler won with rockets

lol can u imagine the heats defense bwhahhaha:facepalm:

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-30-2012, 02:09 PM
Wade is still the best SG in the league
kidding

talk about ignorance

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-30-2012, 02:11 PM
Wade was EASILY a top 3 player in the regular season last year when healthy. Yes, he had a bad playoffs, but he was hurt. Sure, he's off to a slow start. But I don't think you fall off a cliff as quickly as this would be. 9 months ago he was an absolutely elite player, as good as ever even.

But I'm not going to label a 30 year old "done" because of an injury-riddled playoffs and a bad start to a season. I don't think he suddenly just forgot how to play.

when healthy you can make a case but how healthy was he the whole season maybe 10 games? he was a top 10 player last year nothing more nothing less

GiantsSwaGG
11-30-2012, 02:12 PM
He's sucked

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-30-2012, 02:15 PM
Peak Wade > Peak Kobe
06, 09, 10 Wade >>> Any Kobe

Go away now.

And yes "greatness"
Wade is well on his way to finishing with a Top 20 career.

I think that is pretty great.

to go out of your way to say these types of things makes me just laugh and think how hard u try to always make everything about kobe and diminish him at the same time. You are a sad person, stop stalking Kobe go watch yourself some highlights of your boy melo

dh144498
11-30-2012, 02:19 PM
06 Kobe regular season > 06 Wade regular season
06 Wade playoffs > 06 Kobe playoffs

09 Wade regular season > 09 Kobe regular season
09 Kobe playoffs > 09 Wade playoffs


other than those two i mentioned I dont see any other logical legitimate cases of Wade being better than kobe in any regular or post seasons.

smith&wesson
11-30-2012, 02:26 PM
he may be coasting... i think he'll step it up in the playoffs.

his body is getting older and he needs to pace him self through out the season and go all out in the post season.

Money_23
11-30-2012, 02:26 PM
Shell of his former self?

Removing 1-3 stinkers he is averaging around 22 / 5 / 5 on 50+% shooting despite playing very unselfish ball so the new guys can flourish in the offense like Allen.

Wade is and has never been a "stat guy" but his ability hasn't waned as much as you think.

3-5 stinkers. But I guess that's how we should analyze players now, remove their bad games?

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 02:27 PM
06 Kobe regular season > 06 Wade regular season
06 Wade playoffs > 06 Kobe playoffs

09 Wade regular season > 09 Kobe regular season
09 Kobe playoffs > 09 Wade playoffs


other than those two i mentioned I dont see any other logical legitimate cases of Wade being better than kobe in any regular or post seasons.
05 Wade PS > 06 Kobe PS (didn't make playoffs)

06 Wade RS = 06 Kobe RS (there is more to the game then raw ppg)
06 Wade PS > 06 Kobe PS

09 Wade RS > 09 Kobe RS
09 Wade PS = 09 Kobe PS

10 Wade RS > 10 Kobe RS
10 Wade PS > 10 Kobe PS

11 Wade RS > 11 Kobe RS
11 Wade PS > 11 Kobe PS

dh144498
11-30-2012, 02:28 PM
05 Wade PS > 06 Kobe PS (didn't make playoffs)

06 Wade RS = 06 Kobe RS
06 Wade PS > 06 Kobe PS

09 Wade RS > 09 Kobe RS
09 Wade PS = 09 Kobe PS

10 Wade RS > 10 Kobe RS
10 Wade PS > 10 Kobe PS

11 Wade RS > 11 Kobe RS
11 Wade PS > 11 Kobe PS

please just stop. My stomach is hurting from laughter.

Money_23
11-30-2012, 02:29 PM
05 Wade PS > 06 Kobe PS (didn't make playoffs)

06 Wade RS = 06 Kobe RS (there is more to the game then raw ppg)
06 Wade PS > 06 Kobe PS

09 Wade RS > 09 Kobe RS
09 Wade PS = 09 Kobe PS

10 Wade RS > 10 Kobe RS
10 Wade PS > 10 Kobe PS

11 Wade RS > 11 Kobe RS
11 Wade PS > 11 Kobe PS

I understand you have your opinions but this is way overboard......

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 02:36 PM
I understand you have your opinions but this is way overboard......

They aren't really opinions.

Wade was clearly better then Kobe in 10 & 11 and it really isn't debatable.
They weren't at all close to eachother those two years.

85BearsDefense
11-30-2012, 02:37 PM
Wades done? **** I must have slept for 3 or 4 years it must be like 2016... Maybe the Cubs are contending?

85BearsDefense
11-30-2012, 02:37 PM
He isn't done people hes getting 2 less shots per game than he did last year and he's shooting 46% cmon now.

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-30-2012, 02:38 PM
They aren't really opinions.

so everything you say are facts?
your one of the dumbest posters on here when it has anything to do with kobe, and its funny when people call u out on it you simply ignore them... just give it up already nobody believes your ******** but yourself

Blitzbolt
11-30-2012, 02:38 PM
I'm sure Wade will turn it around in the playoffs.

Money_23
11-30-2012, 02:39 PM
They aren't really opinions.

no one in their right minds would say most of what you said or exactly what you said.
The only thing I agree with you about is 06 post season and 09 regular season and 11 post season because Kobe did stink that one up and Wade a great finals.

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-30-2012, 02:40 PM
They aren't really opinions.

Wade was clearly better then Kobe in 10 & 11 and it really isn't debatable.
They weren't at all close to eachother those two years.

in 2010 kobe finished i believe top 3 in mvp voting, where did wade finish? not in the top 5 exactly just give up already u looking more and more like a hater everytime u post, last year wade was more efficent then kobe but that doesnt make him better kobe 29-5-5 what were wade's stats? 22-5-4??:confused:

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 02:41 PM
no one in their right minds would say most of what you said or exactly what you said.
The only thing I agree with you about in 06 post season and 09 regular season.
Kobe was crap in 2011 in both the RS and Playoffs.
Wade was excellent in both.

How was Wade not clearly better that year in every aspect?

Wade in 2010 was playing at a similar level to 2009 while Kobe went through a massive decline and (imo) exited his Prime.
Wade had a much better regular season and had a legendary playoff series against Boston (who Kobe stunk against).

Again... Wade was vastly superior that year and there is not a single argument that can be made for Kobe.

Chronz
11-30-2012, 02:44 PM
:laugh2:

2006 Finals???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTKxxsDuDas&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLwaptt4I1Z3RavJmAnnFn1Q

Missed calls happen to everyone but Wade made the Mavs pay for doubling Shaq all series. Thats going to get you to the line.

Check out this review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2zonUdXJkQ

Money_23
11-30-2012, 02:44 PM
Kobe was crap in 2011 in both the RS and Playoffs.
Wade was excellent in both.

How was Wade not clearly better that year in every aspect?

Wade in 2010 was playing at a similar level to 2009 while Kobe went through a massive decline and (imo) exited his Prime.
Wade had a much better regular season and had a legendary playoff series against Boston (who Kobe stunk against).

Again... Wade was vastly superior that year and there is not a single argument that can be made for Kobe.

sorry I edited that post. I also said you are right about 11.
But everything else I still think is very iffy.

mamba24
11-30-2012, 02:44 PM
i dont think wade is done. i think he needs to adjust his game. he is relying on athleticism right now. he is slowly losing that. he needs a little post up game to take some of the wear and tear away from getting knocked to the ground.

Andrew32... you are biased and just hate kobe lol... a lot of people do. i dont hold that against you. i disagree with your view that wade has pretty much always been better than kobe tho. i think up through kobe's 5th championship kobe was better. 10-11, and 11-12 wade was better. this year so far kobe is playing top 3 basketball in the league lol. wade isnt even top 5 this year. i think you could make an argument for lebron, kd, and kobe in any order for top 3. melo and cp3 in the 4 and 5 spots (however you want to order them). wade would fall after that somewhere... dude is already breaking down. maybe kobe will get a little respect for his longevity now. since 99-00 kobe has easily been a top player in the league. since 04-05 (post shaq) i would say he has been top 5 with a few years as the best player in the world...

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 02:47 PM
sorry I edited that post. I also said you are right about 11.
But everything else I still think is very iffy.
Fair enough...
People get upset at me but I respect everyones opinion.

Years like 06 and 09 are debatable... even 2012 might be.

I just don't understand the argument for Kobe in 2010.

Wade was playing at basically the same level as he was 2009 but Kobe had clearly declined noticeably.

Wade put up much better stats in the regular season (and scored much higher by all advanced stats/metrics) and then had an absolutely dominate series against Boston (who Kobe struggled badly against).

Wade to me was clearly better that year.

mamba24
11-30-2012, 02:52 PM
Fair enough...
People get upset at me but I respect everyones opinion.

Years like 06 and 09 are debatable... even 2012 might be.

I just don't understand the argument for Kobe in 2010.

Wade was playing at basically the same level as he was 2009 but Kobe had clearly declined noticeably.

Wade put up much better stats in the regular season (and scored much higher by all advanced stats/metrics) and then had an absolutely dominate series against Boston (who Kobe struggled badly against).

i think playoffs are a different beast. i dont like comparing 2 guys on separate teams vs another team. defensive strategies in the playoffs are different and they change regularly. im sure in 2010 they played kobe differently than they played wade.

i can definitely see your that your opinion is valid tho. wade has been an amazing talent in the league since his rookie year. this year he just seems a little banged up. i'll bet he will turn it on a little more as the season goes on

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 02:54 PM
i can definitely see your that your opinion is valid tho. wade has been an amazing talent in the league since his rookie year. this year he just seems a little banged up. i'll bet he will turn it on a little more as the season goes on
Thanks.

Yeah I have been disappointed with his play so far but I haven't given up on him.
Perhaps he is coasting due to the Heat's talent... hard to tell.

Kobe meanwhile has been incredible.
It hasn't been since 2009 since he has played so well.

I wonder what changed between this year and the last.
He is so much better then he was last year.

BKdoubleStacker
11-30-2012, 02:57 PM
so everything you say are facts?
your one of the dumbest posters on here when it has anything to do with kobe, and its funny when people call u out on it you simply ignore them... just give it up already nobody believes your ******** but yourself

why bother? he obviously has an agenda against kobe. Just look at his post history. I dont think any single person takes him seriously

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 03:01 PM
He obviously has an agenda against Kobe.
Actually I don't.

I just am a fan of Wade and feel he is not given proper credit for his play in certain years due to the popularity of Kobe and the fact that he (Kobe) has had the greater career.

So if I see that going on I will interject my opinion.
You are free to ignore it if you don't agree with what I say.

Arguing against a player to prove a point does not mean you are biased against them.

jmoney85
11-30-2012, 03:03 PM
Actually I don't.

I just am a fan of Wade and feel he is not given proper credit for his play in certain years due to the popularity of Kobe and the fact that he (Kobe) has had the greater career.

So if I see that going on I will interject my opinion.
You are free to ignore it if you don't agree with what I say.

Arguing against a player to prove a point does not mean you are biased against them.

:clap:

mamba24
11-30-2012, 03:04 PM
Thanks.

Yeah I have been disappointed with his play so far but I haven't given up on him.
Perhaps he is coasting due to the Heat's talent... hard to tell.

Kobe meanwhile has been incredible.
It hasn't been since 2009 since he has played so well.

I wonder what changed between this year and the last.
He is so much better then he was last year.

the biggest change i have noticed is the rest of the team is not just deferring to kobe with 7 seconds left on the shot clock. kobe got stuck with the ball in those situations a ton the last couple years. really hurt his #s and made his shot selection look even worse than it was... never had the best shot selection anyway.

wade has the benefit of having lebron and bosh around. wade can coast a little bit. he'll be back and should be a little more healthy come playoff time. i still dont think anyone beats miami in a 7 game series. miami MIGHT be able to do it. we'll see how they continue to develop. lakers still may not get outta the west

RonE Coleman
11-30-2012, 03:06 PM
Actually I don't.

I just am a fan of Wade and feel he is not given proper credit for his play in certain years due to the popularity of Kobe and the fact that he (Kobe) has had the greater career.

So if I see that going on I will interject my opinion.
You are free to ignore it if you don't agree with what I say.

Arguing against a player to prove a point does not mean you are biased against them.

Honestly man, after reading your posts it does seem as if you just have a blind hate for Kobe, which is fine.

But in no way, shape or form has Wade been better than Kobe throughout his career.

Thats all im saying on this topic

thephoenixson28
11-30-2012, 03:09 PM
Phoenix can use him. Gortat,Dudley, and lakers 1st

jmoney85
11-30-2012, 03:09 PM
Honestly man, after reading your posts it does seem as if you just have a blind hate for Kobe, which is fine.

But in no way, shape or form has Wade been better than Kobe throughout his career.

Thats all im saying on this topic

wade actually has better career numbers though

TheNumber37
11-30-2012, 03:09 PM
he's not DONE. he's still one of best in the league, just top 15-20 no longer top 5.

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 03:09 PM
the biggest change i have noticed is the rest of the team is not just deferring to kobe with 7 seconds left on the shot clock. kobe got stuck with the ball in those situations a ton the last couple years. really hurt his #s and made his shot selection look even worse than it was... never had the best shot selection anyway.
Why is that though?
Just a change in the teams offense?

I mean... I didn't think Dwight was that much better then Bynum offensively.

Chronz
11-30-2012, 03:11 PM
the biggest change i have noticed is the rest of the team is not just deferring to kobe with 7 seconds left on the shot clock. kobe got stuck with the ball in those situations a ton the last couple years. really hurt his #s and made his shot selection look even worse than it was... never had the best shot selection anyway.

Sounds about right, last year he took 4.14 FGA with 3 seconds or less, this year hes taken 2.6. But his efficiency in those final seconds has been so ridiculous that hes scoring at the same rate anyways, hes shooting +70% with 3 seconds or less. :speechless:

RonE Coleman
11-30-2012, 03:11 PM
wade actually has better career numbers though

Kobe actually has 5 rings.

End of thread

jmoney85
11-30-2012, 03:13 PM
Kobe actually has 5 rings.

End of thread

I knew you would say this....I guess that means adam morrison is better than wade also

RonE Coleman
11-30-2012, 03:14 PM
I knew you would say this....I guess that means adam morrison is better than wade also

No, because Adam morrison did not contribute anything to get those rings.

Too easy

Heatcheck
11-30-2012, 03:14 PM
Kobe actually has 5 rings.

End of thread

Yeah with equally talented supporting casts as well, huh?

RonE Coleman
11-30-2012, 03:17 PM
Yeah with equally talented supporting casts as well, huh?

Irrelevant, so were only aloud to compare players who have played on teams that people perceive as equally talented?
If that was the case it would be nearly impossible to compare anyone

tbone2171
11-30-2012, 03:17 PM
Honestly man, after reading your posts it does seem as if you just have a blind hate for Kobe, which is fine.

But in no way, shape or form has Wade been better than Kobe throughout his career.

Thats all im saying on this topic

And you sir, have just proved your blind love for Kobe Bryant.

jmoney85
11-30-2012, 03:17 PM
No, because Adam morrison did not contribute anything to get those rings.

Too easy

you're using team accomplishments in a player vs player argument

Andrew32
11-30-2012, 03:19 PM
Irrelevant, so were only aloud to compare players who have played on teams that people perceive as equally talented?
If that was the case it would be nearly impossible to compare anyone

Wade = 1 Ring as the man.
Kobe = 1 Ring as the man.

Wade should have won a Ring in 2011 as a 1A/1A like Kobe did in 2010 but Lebron choked.

So the whole "Ring argument" is kinda weak.

Kobe has clearly had the better career due to durability & longevity.
No need to bring up Rings (team accomplishment) especially since Wade proved he could win in Kobe's shoes (06).

Money_23
11-30-2012, 03:19 PM
Sounds about right, last year he took 4.14 FGA with 3 seconds or less, this year hes taken 2.6. But his efficiency in those final seconds has been so ridiculous that hes scoring at the same rate anyways, hes shooting +70% with 3 seconds or less. :speechless:

where did you get this info?

Heatcheck
11-30-2012, 03:20 PM
if your going to use fact that he has won five championships (which are team accomplishments) as proof of being better, i think the other 10-15 players might have something to do with your success, especially the second and third option.

mamba24
11-30-2012, 03:21 PM
Why is that though?
Just a change in the teams offense?

I mean... I didn't think Dwight was that much better then Bynum offensively.

there has been a lot more pick and rolls this whole season. i think it's opened up the floor for everybody even if the lakers havent been totally efficient with their execution.

drew is better offensively if you are looking to pound it down low. drew is really methodical... needs a couple dribbles before he makes his moves. dwight on the other hand moves waaaaaaaay better than drew ever could. hes only at about 80% too. he should get a little better still. Dwight fits dantoni's schemes better than drew. its hard to say who is better offensively cuz so much of it is based on the system. i couldnt picture drew trying to run up and down the court for dantoni haha

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-30-2012, 03:21 PM
Wade = 1 Ring as the man.
Kobe = 1 Ring as the man.

Wade should have won a Ring in 2011 as a 1A/1A like Kobe did in 2010 but Lebron choked.

So the whole "Ring argument" is kinda weak.

Kobe has clearly had the better career due to durability & longevity.
No need to bring up Rings (team accomplishment) since Wade proved he could win in Kobe's shoes (06).

Anyone notice that Andrew32 is the only 1 that always says Kobe was the man for 1 ring? Hahaha hate hate hate

jmoney85
11-30-2012, 03:21 PM
Wade = 1 Ring as the man.
Kobe = 1 Ring as the man.

Wade should have won a Ring in 2011 as a 1A/1A like Kobe did in 2010 but Lebron choked.

So the whole "Ring argument" is kinda weak.

Kobe has clearly had the better career due to durability & longevity.
No need to bring up Rings (team accomplishment) since Wade proved he could win in Kobe's shoes (06).

ring arguments are irrelevant... I hate when people resort to that in a player vs player argument... that pretty much says they conceed on the argument

dh144498
11-30-2012, 03:22 PM
Wade = 1 Ring as the man.
Kobe = 1 Ring as the man.
Wade should have won a Ring in 2011 as a 1A/1A like Kobe did in 2010 but Lebron choked.

So the whole "Ring argument" is kinda weak.

Kobe has clearly had the better career due to durability & longevity.
No need to bring up Rings (team accomplishment) especially since Wade proved he could win in Kobe's shoes (06).

not this again.

RonE Coleman
11-30-2012, 03:23 PM
And you sir, have just proved your blind love for Kobe Bryant.

LMAO, in no way do I love Kobe Bryant, I'm a Knick fan.

I just happen to not be an idiot