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JordansBulls
11-28-2012, 10:00 PM
Should make for an interesting debate. From 2000 to let's say the past few years (as Shaq has retired and others are declining rapidly) who was the best player over that period?



Basically from 2000 to 2013 including accolades, titles, stats, etc.

Also in what order would you rank them?

JasonJohnHorn
11-28-2012, 10:23 PM
I would have Duncan on top, and Iverson at the bottom, and everybody else in the middle ;-)

Longhornfan1234
11-28-2012, 10:26 PM
Shaq

Kobe
Duncan
King James

Ebbs
11-28-2012, 10:29 PM
LeBron
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Dirk
Garnett
Wade
Iverson
Nash
Kidd

xxplayerxx23
11-28-2012, 10:30 PM
Shaq
Duncan
Lebron
Kobe
Dirk
KG
Wade
Kidd
Iverson
Nash

ATX
11-28-2012, 10:30 PM
Duncan
Kobe
Shaq
James
Wade

HouRealCoach
11-28-2012, 10:32 PM
Tim Duncan

4 Titles, Never missed playoffs, Defense always great, Kept team winning over 50 games even last year's condensed schedule, 3 Finals MVP's, 2 MVP's, Always on All Star team, He's beaten Kobe, Shaq, LeBron, Nash, Kidd, Dirk, Iverson in the playoffs before... Too consistent in every way possible & he's not the strongest or most athletic but he has skills to the MAXIMUM

My 2nd would have to be Shaq because of how dominant he was and third would be LeBron, and then Kobe, next KG, next Kidd, everyone else

Longhornfan1234
11-28-2012, 10:33 PM
Duncan
Kobe
Shaq
Wade
James

:facepalm:

Wade over King James? :facepalm:

Quinnsanity
11-28-2012, 10:34 PM
LeBron has doubled Shaq's votes? Even with Shaq's extra prime years? Really?

ATX
11-28-2012, 10:39 PM
:facepalm:

Wade over King James and Duncan? :facepalm:

I misread the question at first as best of the 2000's as in 2000-2010. In which case I gave Wade the nod over James for his title run. I know you hate Wade with all the passion in the world, and where in the hell did I have him over Duncan??? I voted Duncan 1, and had him first on my list.

FraziersKnicks
11-28-2012, 10:49 PM
1. Tim Duncan (2 MVP's, 3 Championships, 2 Finals MVP, 7 1st Team All-NBA, 7 1st Team All-Defense)
2. LeBron James (3 MVP's, 1 Finals MVP, 6 1st Team All-NBA, 4 1st Team All-Defense)
3. Shaquille O'Neal (1 MVP, 4 Championships, 3 Finals MVP, 7 1st Team All-NBA)
4. Kobe Bryant (1 MVP, 5 Championships, 2 Finals MVP, 10 1st Team All-NBA, 9 1st Team All-Defense)
5. Kevin Garnett (1 MVP, 1 Championship, 4 1st Team All-NBA, 9 1st Team All-Defense)
6. Dwyane Wade (2 Championships, 1 Finals MVP, 2 1st Team All-NBA)
7. Dirk Nowitzki (1 MVP, 1 Championship, 1 Finals MVP, 4 1st Team All-NBA)
8. Jason Kidd (1 Championship, 4 1st Team All-NBA, 3 1st Team All-Defense)
9. Allen Iverson (1 MVP, 2 1st Team All-NBA)
10. Steve Nash (2 MVP's, 3 1st Team All-NBA)

Hellcrooner
11-28-2012, 10:51 PM
Duncan.

And the option list should be much shorter.

Just Duncan, Kg, Kobe, Shaq, Lebron.

Hawkeye15
11-28-2012, 10:53 PM
Duncan
Kobe
LeBron
Shaq
KG

in that order for me.

rickshaw
11-28-2012, 10:55 PM
I think it's pretty easily Duncan or Kobe 1a/1b. Too much of Shaq came before 2000 and the answer might be Lebron in 5 years, but not now.

Duncan/Kobe
Lebron
Shaq
KG

amos1er
11-28-2012, 11:11 PM
LeBron has doubled Shaq's votes? Even with Shaq's extra prime years? Really?

Thats exactly why I say Lebron is the most overrated player I have ever seen. The guy only has one title, is 1/3 in the finals and people are still saying he is more accomplished than Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe all who have 4 + titles to their names. There is no logic to their decisions, only homerism.

amos1er
11-28-2012, 11:12 PM
Duncan
Kobe
LeBron
Shaq
KG

in that order for me.

Lebron over Shaq??? Really???

Hawkeye15
11-28-2012, 11:22 PM
Lebron over Shaq??? Really???

debateable, but LeBron's play later in the decade offsets Shaq's play early. Shaq was good in the decade for what, 6 years? So was LeBron, though I don't care if you want to flip them or not, up to you..

slimcharles
11-28-2012, 11:32 PM
Kobe... He's better than Duncan, better than Shaq, can't use logic to explain why but he just is.

LAKERMANIA
11-28-2012, 11:35 PM
Duncan/Kobe
Kobe/Duncan
Shaq
Lebron

Hellcrooner
11-28-2012, 11:38 PM
00-03 Shaq
04-08 Duncan
08-now Lebron.

No one else has been the best at any moment.

But you have to give some credit to kobe, for being the SECOND best, for THE WHOLE period.

Others like Kg or nash, have fluctuated much more on their rankings.

albertajaysfan
11-29-2012, 12:08 AM
00-03 Shaq
04-08 Duncan
08-now Lebron.

No one else has been the best at any moment.

But you have to give some credit to kobe, for being the SECOND best, for THE WHOLE period.

Others like Kg or nash, have fluctuated much more on their rankings.

You just made an argument for him being first though simply because of his production over the entire period.

I would say it is:
1/2 Duncan/Kobe
3/4 Shaq/Lebron


With Lebron having a chance to overtake Shaq this year.

Also to the OP it is nice if you can set firm dates instead of being vague with the end date. Is it 2000 to now or two years ago? Makes an enormous difference. If you take last year away from Lebron you take away his best overall year IMO.

Bruno
11-29-2012, 12:52 AM
gimme Kobe-Duncan-Shaq-LBJ-KG-Dirk-Wade. the smalls arent in the debate imo.

i'm off topic here, but I think that list could compete with any other era of basketball...

Kidd/Nash
Kobe/Wade/Iverson
LBJ/Kobe
Duncan/KG/Dirk
Shaq/Duncan

they'd be just fine against any other era of basketball.

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-29-2012, 12:56 AM
1. Tim Duncan (2 MVP's, 3 Championships, 2 Finals MVP, 7 1st Team All-NBA, 7 1st Team All-Defense)
2. LeBron James (3 MVP's, 1 Finals MVP, 6 1st Team All-NBA, 4 1st Team All-Defense)
3. Shaquille O'Neal (1 MVP, 4 Championships, 3 Finals MVP, 7 1st Team All-NBA)
4. Kobe Bryant (1 MVP, 5 Championships, 2 Finals MVP, 10 1st Team All-NBA, 9 1st Team All-Defense)
5. Kevin Garnett (1 MVP, 1 Championship, 4 1st Team All-NBA, 9 1st Team All-Defense)
6. Dwyane Wade (2 Championships, 1 Finals MVP, 2 1st Team All-NBA)
7. Dirk Nowitzki (1 MVP, 1 Championship, 1 Finals MVP, 4 1st Team All-NBA)
8. Jason Kidd (1 Championship, 4 1st Team All-NBA, 3 1st Team All-Defense)
9. Allen Iverson (1 MVP, 2 1st Team All-NBA)
10. Steve Nash (2 MVP's, 3 1st Team All-NBA)



So much fail:facepalm:

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-29-2012, 12:57 AM
Kobe
Shaq
Timmy
Kg
Lebron
Who cares...

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-29-2012, 12:59 AM
Thats exactly why I say Lebron is the most overrated player I have ever seen. The guy only has one title, is 1/3 in the finals and people are still saying he is more accomplished than Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe all who have 4 + titles to their names. There is no logic to their decisions, only homerism.

Lebron fans are 13 year old who don't watch other players

Raps18-19 Champ
11-29-2012, 01:00 AM
Duncan and Kobe are at the top very closely followed by Lebron.

MintBerryCrunch
11-29-2012, 01:01 AM
Kobe over Duncan yet it will be close because Duncan is so well liked and Kobe.. Isnt

Raps18-19 Champ
11-29-2012, 01:02 AM
Thats exactly why I say Lebron is the most overrated player I have ever seen. The guy only has one title, is 1/3 in the finals and people are still saying he is more accomplished than Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe all who have 4 + titles to their names. There is no logic to their decisions, only homerism.

You forgot to mention that Lebron, individually, is the best player of the bunch.

MintBerryCrunch
11-29-2012, 01:03 AM
00-03 Shaq
04-08 Duncan
08-now Lebron.

No one else has been the best at any moment.

But you have to give some credit to kobe, for being the SECOND best, for THE WHOLE period.

Others like Kg or nash, have fluctuated much more on their rankings.

... No

Money_23
11-29-2012, 01:24 AM
You forgot to mention that Lebron, individually, is the best player of the bunch.

debatable. Maybe the better all around player of the bunch, but I think Shaq's dominance is much better.

Bishnoff
11-29-2012, 01:35 AM
Timmy D.

TRF929
11-29-2012, 01:36 AM
Simply Duncan #1
Shaq close behind
Kobe, would he still be here if Shaq didn't win the early years?
LeBron, would still be here without winning last year

Lakers + Giants
11-29-2012, 02:13 AM
Duncan or Kobe 1st. Can't go wrong with either.

MintBerryCrunch
11-29-2012, 02:20 AM
Simply Duncan #1
Shaq close behind
Kobe, would he still be here if Shaq didn't win the early years?
LeBron, would still be here without winning last year

Would Duncan be here if his team wasn't so consistently stacked?
You see where your argument falls off?

ThunderousDemon
11-29-2012, 02:27 AM
:facepalm:

Wade over King James? :facepalm:

Whose King James? I know of Lebron James, but not of no stinking king.

cuttydoesit6
11-29-2012, 02:28 AM
Kobe.

PurpleJesus
11-29-2012, 02:32 AM
I have felt like this has been Lebron's league since he got drafted. Not everyone will agree though, because too much weight is put on championships, as if one player can win championships.

amos1er
11-29-2012, 04:53 AM
I have felt like this has been Lebron's league since he got drafted. Not everyone will agree though, because too much weight is put on championships, as if one player can win championships.

Too much weight on championships??? Could it be because the whole point of playing the game is to win??? What could be more important than winning???

JasonJohnHorn
11-29-2012, 10:16 AM
Kobe... He's better than Duncan, better than Shaq, can't use logic to explain why but he just is.



:clap:

JordansBulls
11-29-2012, 10:33 AM
1. Tim Duncan (2 MVP's, 3 Championships, 2 Finals MVP, 7 1st Team All-NBA, 7 1st Team All-Defense)
2. LeBron James (3 MVP's, 1 Finals MVP, 6 1st Team All-NBA, 4 1st Team All-Defense)
3. Shaquille O'Neal (1 MVP, 4 Championships, 3 Finals MVP, 7 1st Team All-NBA)
4. Kobe Bryant (1 MVP, 5 Championships, 2 Finals MVP, 10 1st Team All-NBA, 9 1st Team All-Defense)
5. Kevin Garnett (1 MVP, 1 Championship, 4 1st Team All-NBA, 9 1st Team All-Defense)
6. Dwyane Wade (2 Championships, 1 Finals MVP, 2 1st Team All-NBA)
7. Dirk Nowitzki (1 MVP, 1 Championship, 1 Finals MVP, 4 1st Team All-NBA)
8. Jason Kidd (1 Championship, 4 1st Team All-NBA, 3 1st Team All-Defense)
9. Allen Iverson (1 MVP, 2 1st Team All-NBA)
10. Steve Nash (2 MVP's, 3 1st Team All-NBA)

Good list, but why Lebron ahead of Shaq?

kdspurman
11-29-2012, 10:55 AM
Would Duncan be here if his team wasn't so consistently stacked?
You see where your argument falls off?

Stacked? Bit of a stretch there no?

The Spurs don't try and buy championship rosters, I'd hardly consider their rosters stacked. Talented? Absolutely. But they did develop into some great players, they developed great chemistry, role players knew their roles, and they were ego-less.

I do understand if you're not too familiar with some of those concepts. ;)

b@llhog24
11-29-2012, 10:59 AM
Lol did I just see that Duncan had stacked rosters? :laugh:

b@llhog24
11-29-2012, 11:01 AM
Anyways:

Bron/Shaq/Duncan
Kobe
Dirk/KG/Wade
Cp3/Nash/Kidd

rickshaw
11-29-2012, 11:08 AM
Too much weight on championships??? Could it be because the whole point of playing the game is to win??? What could be more important than winning???

Well it's not one on one, so when comparing individuals, using championships is kind of pointless when they need a complete team to win. And that is out of the individuals hands.

dh144498
11-29-2012, 11:08 AM
Don't see how Lebron is ahead of Kobe in this thread when Kobe is ahead of Lebron in the all-time list.

dh144498
11-29-2012, 11:09 AM
Well it's not one on one, so when comparing individuals, using championships is kind of pointless when they need a complete team to win. And that is out of the individuals hands.

that's not how a list of "greatest of ___" is made.

bucketss
11-29-2012, 11:13 AM
Thats exactly why I say Lebron is the most overrated player I have ever seen. The guy only has one title, is 1/3 in the finals and people are still saying he is more accomplished than Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe all who have 4 + titles to their names. There is no logic to their decisions, only homerism.

i thought this was best players thus far not who has won the most championships sincen 2000

bucketss
11-29-2012, 11:17 AM
Whose King James? I know of Lebron James, but not of no stinking king.


Thats exactly why I say Lebron is the most overrated player I have ever seen. The guy only has one title, is 1/3 in the finals and people are still saying he is more accomplished than Shaq, Duncan, and Kobe all who have 4 + titles to their names. There is no logic to their decisions, only homerism.


Lebron fans are 13 year old who don't watch other players

three kobe fans all offended by any compliments to lebro,, ahem. i mean king james.

dh144498
11-29-2012, 11:38 AM
i thought this was best players thus far not who has won the most championships sincen 2000

greatest*, not best.

dh144498
11-29-2012, 11:38 AM
three kobe fans all offended by any compliments to lebro,, ahem. i mean king james.

no king gets outscored by a bench player in the finals.

bucketss
11-29-2012, 11:47 AM
^another kobe fan offended by compliments to lebron

ichitownclowni
11-29-2012, 12:02 PM
KG Kobge or Duncan. I am a KG guy so............

Money_23
11-29-2012, 12:05 PM
^another kobe fan offended by compliments to lebron

calling him "king" james isn't a compliment, it's homerism. And I don't see how he's offended, he's right, you know.

dh144498
11-29-2012, 12:06 PM
calling him "king" james isn't a compliment, it's homerism. And I don't see how he's offended, he's right, you know.

LOL ethered.

beliges
11-29-2012, 12:52 PM
Give me the most dominant player of his era Kobe. There's no doubt he ruled the era moreso.then.the rest of the guys.

8kobe24
11-29-2012, 01:08 PM
Kobe.

FraziersKnicks
11-29-2012, 01:59 PM
Good list, but why Lebron ahead of Shaq?

Simply because Shaq was only a dominant player until 2004-2005. From 2005 until he retired he showed signs of slowing down considerably. So that's only 4-5 years of elite play in a 13 year span. Although those years were some of the dominant in NBA history, hence him being so high on my list.

mngopher35
11-29-2012, 03:13 PM
I think Duncan and Kobe are the top tier because they were dominate most of this period. Then you have Shaq and Lebron who were just as or more dominant for a stretch but only played part of this time. Then there is KG who was probably a level below these players but played the entire period like kobe and duncan.

I guess I'd go
Duncan
Kobe
Lebron (LBJ played more of this period, but I understand why someone would say shaq)
Shaq
KG

Supreme LA
11-29-2012, 03:22 PM
Just as I thought it would turn out. Kobe and Duncan with the most votes deservedly. Lebron rated higher than Kobe and Shaq by the most familiar and frequent Kobe haters on PSD. No surprise here.

JayW_1023
11-29-2012, 03:28 PM
Duncan, because he wins and he makes everyone better. And he doesn't attract drama distraction like Kobe.

He. Just. Wins.

tredigs
11-29-2012, 03:57 PM
Duncan, because he wins and he makes everyone better. And he doesn't attract drama distraction like Kobe.

He. Just. Wins.

Doesn't hurt that he's starting his 16th season as a 36 yr old and is still anchoring the team and playing like a top 3-5 player in the league.
Averaging 18/10/3 with 2.5 blks on 56% from the field. #1 in Defensive Rating and Defensive Win Shares, 3rd in PER slightly behind Durant and LBJ. Spurs with the #2 record in the league... again. The guy's just incredible, and doesn't care who knows it. That's no doubt a big reason why Tony and Manu have stuck by his side ever since they had the chance to play with him. Of course the Spurs organization and Pop only solidifies that. There's no player I have more respect for. And he would absolutely be the one I'd take on my team if given the chance in a mock year 2000 draft with all players available. Kobe's great, Lebron has a chance, Tim's the best.

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-29-2012, 04:05 PM
i thought this was best players thus far not who has won the most championships sincen 2000

Kobe is still better in all regards since 2000 with or without championships

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-29-2012, 04:06 PM
three kobe fans all offended by any compliments to lebro,, ahem. i mean king james.

Only lebron nut huggers call him king james

nickdymez
11-29-2012, 04:12 PM
Looks like more Kobe stans than Lebron stans in this thread. And im not calling a man thats not a king, a king. Pretty soon Lebronies are going to call him "Daddy James".

JordansBulls
11-29-2012, 05:00 PM
How does Lebron have that many more votes than Shaq? You realize Shaq from 2000-2002 is a top 2-3 peak ever and is tied with Duncan?

Bruno
11-29-2012, 05:03 PM
How does Lebron have that many more votes than Shaq? You realize Shaq from 2000-2002 is a top 2-3 peak ever and is tied with Duncan?

I think Shaqs still got LBJ too. Despite Shaqs age and decline, LBJ didn't even play a game until 2003-2004.

nickdymez
11-29-2012, 05:03 PM
How does Lebron have that many more votes than Shaq? You realize Shaq from 2000-2002 is a top 2-3 peak ever and is tied with Duncan?

Because Lebron is grossly overrated on this site

FraziersKnicks
11-29-2012, 05:17 PM
LeBron being called overrated is one of the most laughable things I've read on this site, and I've seen a lot of DoMeFavors posts....

OG "Dee" LOCc
11-29-2012, 05:20 PM
IMO:

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Shaq
3. Tim Duncan
4. Lebron James
5. Kevin Garnett

Based on Wins, scoring titles, championships, stats, dominant presence on court and consistency

Imo that's the order.

nickdymez
11-29-2012, 05:22 PM
LeBron being called overrated is one of the most laughable things I've read on this site, and I've seen a lot of DoMeFavors posts....

Hmmmm, so you think Lebron is the greatest player ever? Because there are people on this site that do. You think Lebron can start at center and still be an all-star player? Because there are people on this site that do. I can go on and on about the ridiculous things i read about Lebron on this site but i think you get my drift

nickdymez
11-29-2012, 05:23 PM
IMO:

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Shaq
3. Tim Duncan
4. Lebron James
5. Kevin Garnett

Based on Wins, scoring titles, championships, stats, dominant presence on court and consistency

Imo that's the order.

Good list. Shaq, Kobe, and Timmy could all be interchanged. actually i would have Shaq at 1a, Kobe at 1b, and Timmy at 1c. Kobe above Tim only because longevity.

amos1er
11-29-2012, 05:40 PM
Hmmmm, so you think Lebron is the greatest player ever? Because there are people on this site that do. You think Lebron can start at center and still be an all-star player? Because there are people on this site that do. I can go on and on about the ridiculous things i read about Lebron on this site but i think you get my drift

Lebron is probably a top 20-15 player of all time honestly. He has potential to be in the top ten and possibly the top five before he retires.

Now, when I see people on this site saying that he is already a top 10 player of all time and that he has been the greatest since 2000, I take that as an overrating.

Lebron is a great player and all, but when people out there homeristically want to rate him better than he is and give him more credit than he deserves, that is called being overrated. That doesn't mean that by me calling him overrated that I am not giving him his due, I am just being more realistic than the people who are foolish enough to say that as far as being the greatest player since 2000, Lebron is ranked higher than Shaq, Duncan and Kobe. False...that is completely overrating him just like when he first came into the league and people falsely crowned him the "king" when he hadn't earned **** yet. Also, calling him the "chosen one" or the "we are all witnesses" garbage was overrating him too.

nickdymez
11-29-2012, 05:42 PM
Lebron is probably a top 20-15 player of all time honestly. He has potential to be in the top ten and possibly the top five before he retires.

Now, when I see people on this site saying that he is already a top 10 player of all time and that he has been the greatest since 2000, I take that as an overrating.

Lebron is a great player and all, but when people out there homeristically want to rate him better than he is and give him more credit than he deserves, that is called being overrated. That doesn't mean that by me calling him overrated that I am not giving him his due, I am just being more realistic than the people who are foolish enough to say that as far as being the greatest player since 2000, Lebron is ranked higher than Shaq, Duncan and Kobe. False...that is completely overrating him just like when he first came into the league and people falsely crowned him the "king" when he hadn't earned **** yet. Also, calling him the "chosen one" or the "we are all witnesses" garbage was overrating him too.

Bingo

amos1er
11-29-2012, 05:45 PM
Bingo

Also, can someone please explain to me how the **** Lebron has the same amount of votes as Duncan and like 20 more than Shaq??? Talk about being overrated...that is a damn near slap to the face of both Shaq and Duncan. Well, it's a slap to the face to Duncan for sure, but in terms of the disrespect these posters are showing to Shaq, it's more like they are gizzing on his face.

mngopher35
11-29-2012, 06:03 PM
How does Lebron have that many more votes than Shaq? You realize Shaq from 2000-2002 is a top 2-3 peak ever and is tied with Duncan?


I think Shaqs still got LBJ too. Despite Shaqs age and decline, LBJ didn't even play a game until 2003-2004.

The reason I had LBJ ahead of Shaq was because he had more elite years over the span than Shaq . Those 3 years of Shaq were better than any 3 combined years of Lebron no doubt, but Lebron just has a lot more elite years during the span than Shaq and his peak year isn't too shabby. I have no problem with shaq being above Lebron either though because those 3-4 years were insane. Actually thinking about it I gave shaq no credit for after 07 but he still had some decent years there so maybe he should be above Lebron. Either way I dont think its too ridiculous to have one over the other.

Edit: I had them 3 and 4, with Duncan and Kobe 1 and 2. Voted Duncan but it could honestly go either way depending on personal opinion.

mightybosstone
11-29-2012, 06:04 PM
My list would definitely be:
1. Tim Duncan
2. Shaquille O'Neal
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Lebron James
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Dirk Nowitzki
7. Dwyane Wade
8. Steve Nash
9. Jason Kidd
10. Allen Iverson

As one other poster said, the only sure thing is that Duncan should go first and Iverson should be last, with the in between one big jumbled mess. But I break it down into four groups...

1. The "Top 12" Guys (Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Lebron)
These guys will all be in the all-time top 12 list by the time they retire (I would argue all of them already are). Duncan clearly has the edge at this point because of individual statistical dominance and his team success as the alpha dog with San Antonio. Shaq's career is done, but if everyone else's career ended today, he'd be No. 2. Kobe has a slight edge over Lebron because of longevity and team success, but Lebron's prime crushes Kobe's prime and one more title or MVP would probably push him over the edge for me. Lebron will easily finish No. 1 on this list when all of these guys have retired.

2. The "Just on the Cusp" Guys (KG, Dirk, Wade)
These three guys all could have won an MVP at some point in their career and all have at least one title. KG gets the edge for me because of his defensive abilities with Dirk just ahead of Wade because of longevity. If Wade could continue his crazy efficient play, he could pass both despite being a No. 2. But I think his age has already caught up to him and he's probably already on a slight decline. Regardless, none of these guys will ever surpass the top four barring some sort of freakish second wind by Wade as an alpha dog that helps him catch Kobe.

3. The "First-Ballot HOF Point Guard" Guys (Nash, Kidd)
Nash and Kidd both have to be either eight or ninth on this list, regardless of who you like more. They've both been phenomenal distributors and leaders of great teams, but neither has a ring and both have significant holes in their games. No matter what happens, I cannot see either player surpassing any of the top seven guys.

4. The "Practice? We're talking about Practice!" Guy (Iverson)
Iverson was a great scorer and a really fun guy to watch in interviews, but he doesn't belong in the same conversation as the nine guys ahead of him on this list. He was crazy inefficient, played mediocre defense and didn't do a particularly good job of getting his teammates involved. No doubt a Hall-of-Fame player one day, but no chance whatsoever of being any higher than 10th.

nickdymez
11-29-2012, 06:05 PM
The reason I had LBJ ahead of Shaq was because he had more elite years over the span than Shaq . Those 3 years of Shaq were better than any 3 combined years of Lebron no doubt, but Lebron just has a lot more elite years during the span than Shaq and his peak year isn't too shabby. I have no problem with shaq being above Lebron either though because those 3-4 years were insane. Actually thinking about it I gave shaq no credit for after 07 but he still had some decent years there so maybe he should be above Lebron. Either way I dont think its too ridiculous to have one over the other.

I respect this. Shaq did start to Decline in 07-08 and LBJ was entering his prime. But i guess the reverse can be said as well..

mngopher35
11-29-2012, 06:11 PM
I respect this. Shaq did start to Decline in 07-08 and LBJ was entering his prime. But i guess the reverse can be said as well..

Looking back on it I think Lebrons recent play was just more in my head than Shaq's. Id probably flip it around if I made the list again but it's close and I dont think either choice is ridiculous.

bucketss
11-29-2012, 06:19 PM
LeBron being called overrated is one of the most laughable things I've read on this site, and I've seen a lot of DoMeFavors posts....

thats what happens when paranoid kobephiles talk about lebron.


Hmmmm, so you think Lebron is the greatest player ever? Because there are people on this site that do. You think Lebron can start at center and still be an all-star player? Because there are people on this site that do. I can go on and on about the ridiculous things i read about Lebron on this site but i think you get my drift

no one really thinks lebron is the greatest i don't know how you convinced yourself that lebron is the goat:facepalm:


Also, can someone please explain to me how the **** Lebron has the same amount of votes as Duncan and like 20 more than Shaq??? Talk about being overrated...that is a damn near slap to the face of both Shaq and Duncan. Well, it's a slap to the face to Duncan for sure, but in terms of the disrespect these posters are showing to Shaq, it's more like they are gizzing on his face.

i voted for him because i knew kobe fans would get offended





calling him "king" james isn't a compliment, it's homerism. And I don't see how he's offended, he's right, you know.

hes the best basketball player in the world and was just crowned this past june so how the hell is calling him king james homerism?? hes finally earned that name


LOL ethered.

nope.

monzternipz12
11-29-2012, 06:33 PM
Any list that doesn't include Kobe, Shaquille, and Duncan as your top 3 (in no particular order) should be voided.

Money_23
11-29-2012, 06:34 PM
Any list that doesn't include Kobe, Shaquille, and Duncan as your top 3 (in no particular order) should be voided.

pretty much.

Raps18-19 Champ
11-29-2012, 06:35 PM
debatable. Maybe the better all around player of the bunch, but I think Shaq's dominance is much better.

Shaq was definately more dominant, but he was only relevant for 6 years since 2000. Lebron has been relevant for almost 10 years now while being the 2nd most dominant player on the list.

Money_23
11-29-2012, 06:37 PM
Shaq was definately more dominant, but he was only relevant for 6 years since 2000. Lebron has been relevant for almost 10 years now while being the 2nd most dominant player on the list.

10? Lebron didn't have a legit case until 2008. You can include 07 if you want since he made the finals. that's 6 years, not 10.

monzternipz12
11-29-2012, 06:39 PM
Shaq was definately more dominant, but he was only relevant for 6 years since 2000. Lebron has been relevant for almost 10 years now while being the 2nd most dominant player on the list.

Who would you be more scared of?? Prime Shaquille vs today's Lebron (assuming he hasn't peaked yet)????

mngopher35
11-29-2012, 06:41 PM
10? Lebron didn't have a legit case until 2008. You can include 07 if you want since he made the finals. that's 6 years, not 10.

I'm pretty sure he means Lebron has been playing at an elite level for almost 10 years, not the best in the league. Shaq only had about 6? elite years throughout the same span

Money_23
11-29-2012, 06:43 PM
I'm pretty sure he means Lebron has been playing at an elite level for almost 10 years, not the best in the league. Shaq only had about 6? elite years throughout the same span

ok.

HouRealCoach
11-29-2012, 06:56 PM
The amount of hate people give LeBron is mind boggling lol.. Is it me or is it only the Kobe fans? I wonder why they choose to hate on LeBron

Looking at what he accomplished with Pavlovic, Hughes, Ilgauskas and company year after year was something like I have never seen before

bucketss
11-29-2012, 06:58 PM
The amount of hate people give LeBron is mind boggling lol.. Is it me or is it only the Kobe fans? I wonder why they choose to hate on LeBron

Looking at what he accomplished with Pavlovic, Hughes, Ilgauskas and company year after year was something like I have never seen before

lol bro im telling you they are paranoid.

bucketss
11-29-2012, 07:01 PM
btw is that you on the sound cloud?

Raps18-19 Champ
11-29-2012, 07:05 PM
10? Lebron didn't have a legit case until 2008. You can include 07 if you want since he made the finals. that's 6 years, not 10.

You mean to tell me you don't think Lebron was relevant for the first 4 years of his career? I mean he's been in the MVP votings in each year he's been in the league. That should at least count for relevance.

PleaseBeNice
11-29-2012, 07:08 PM
Lbeezy

ManRam
11-29-2012, 07:12 PM
Duncan
Kobe
LeBron
Shaq (he straddled the turn of the century too much)
The rest...

It's definitely not LeBron yet. The two I have above LeBron have had a head start and did significant damage with that head start. You could argue that LeBron has been the best player in the NBA for a longer period of time than the other two, but still....not yet. I don't think, however, he has a whole lot left to do to take this crown. The top three is really tight tho.

HouRealCoach
11-29-2012, 07:19 PM
Only lebron nut huggers call him king james

Skip Bayless even said he deserves to be called "King" James and he's the biggest LeBron hater ever lol... I refuse to believe that you guys have eclipsed him lol & like Jalen Rose said "It's just a NICKNAME"


Lebron is probably a top 20-15 player of all time honestly. He has potential to be in the top ten and possibly the top five before he retires.

3 MVP's, Finals MVP, Scoring Title, Keeping his team in contention no matter who his teammates are and that's all he gets lol, I'm sure Retired NBA players would say he's more than that so according to you that is wrong


You mean to tell me you don't think Lebron was relevant for the first 4 years of his career? I mean he's been in the MVP votings in each year he's been in the league. That should at least count for relevance.

2006 he averaged 31, 7, 6 & won 50 games & took Detroit that year to 7 games but that means nothing to Kobe who blew a 3-1 lead in the playoffs and was a first round exit lol


btw is that you on the sound cloud?

Yeah u like it?

bucketss
11-29-2012, 07:22 PM
3 MVP's, Finals MVP, Scoring Title, Keeping his team in contention no matter who his teammates are and that's all he gets lol, I'm sure Retired NBA players would say he's more than that so according to you that is wrong



2006 he averaged 31, 7, 6 & won 50 games & took Detroit that year to 7 games but that means nothing to Kobe who blew a 3-1 lead in the playoffs and was a first round exit lol



Yeah u like it?

yeah bro your dope as **** ''think twice and ''nobody on my level is on repeat damn.

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-29-2012, 07:22 PM
The amount of hate people give LeBron is mind boggling lol.. Is it me or is it only the Kobe fans? I wonder why they choose to hate on LeBron

Looking at what he accomplished with Pavlovic, Hughes, Ilgauskas and company year after year was something like I have never seen before

laker fans dont hate lebron the majority of the people hate lebron because of his fan boys who call him the greatest ever when i'm not sure hes cracked the top 15 GOAT yet... like you hate kobe so what just dont be an *** about it if someone doesnt like lebron... but it truly is pathetic when lebron is getting ranked ahead of kobe duncan and shaq smh

Raps18-19 Champ
11-29-2012, 07:23 PM
Who would you be more scared of?? Prime Shaquille vs today's Lebron (assuming he hasn't peaked yet)????

Both. They are both bigger than me.

Raps18-19 Champ
11-29-2012, 07:25 PM
Only lebron nut huggers call him king james

It's a nickname. It doesn't actually mean ****.

But why complain about Lebron but not other players. Evidence show Kobe's not the most clutch player. Why does he refer to himself as the Black Mamba thinking he's some assassin.

bucketss
11-29-2012, 07:25 PM
laker fans dont hate lebron the majority of the people hate lebron because of his fan boys who call him the greatest ever when i'm not sure hes cracked the top 15 GOAT yet... like you hate kobe so what just dont be an *** about it if someone doesnt like lebron... but it truly is pathetic when lebron is getting ranked ahead of kobe duncan and shaq smh

rarely anyone on this site calls him the greatest but you guys like to think that.

Raps18-19 Champ
11-29-2012, 07:26 PM
laker fans dont hate lebron the majority of the people hate lebron because of his fan boys who call him the greatest ever when i'm not sure hes cracked the top 15 GOAT yet... like you hate kobe so what just dont be an *** about it if someone doesnt like lebron... but it truly is pathetic when lebron is getting ranked ahead of kobe duncan and shaq smh

It's the same reason people hate Kobe. His fanboys.

Also, lol at you thinking Lebron isn't in the top 15. :laugh2:

bucketss
11-29-2012, 07:27 PM
i call kendrick lamar .. king kendrick lamar that means im a kendrick nut hugger?im just recognizing greatness.

bucketss
11-29-2012, 07:27 PM
It's the same reason people hate Kobe. His fanboys.

Also, lol at you thinking Lebron isn't in the top 15. :laugh2:

kobe fanboys don't exist according to them lol

HouRealCoach
11-29-2012, 07:31 PM
yeah bro your dope as **** ''think twice and ''nobody on my level is on repeat damn.

Appreciate it alot much love bro


laker fans dont hate lebron the majority of the people hate lebron because of his fan boys who call him the greatest ever when i'm not sure hes cracked the top 15 GOAT yet... like you hate kobe so what just dont be an *** about it if someone doesnt like lebron... but it truly is pathetic when lebron is getting ranked ahead of kobe duncan and shaq smh

Please name 15 players better than LeBron.... This here is a must see

& I don't hate Kobe, I actually have him ranked Top 10 around 7 or 8 all time... He's great but you are the guys who say he should have 4 MVP's, ignore his flaws, and think he can take an AAU team to the championship or something

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-29-2012, 07:33 PM
It's a nickname. It doesn't actually mean ****.

But why complain about Lebron but not other players. Evidence show Kobe's not the most clutch player. Why does he refer to himself as the Black Mamba thinking he's some assassin.

hes made the most clutch shots out of anybody ever in league history he has also taken the most so obviously hes bound to fail... and he deserves to be called the black mamba because he doesn't give a **** what people say whether he makes or misses the last shot, hes just a cold blooded assassin. but lebron king james really? when did he ever do anything to be called that name? he was never the king of anything until last year, his fans calling him that is a joke and really "the chosen one" who tattoos that on themselves smh...lebron is not overrated because of his on the court ability lebron is overrated because fan boys like you like to rank him way higher then where he deserves to be ranked. Last but not least the nickname black mamba sounds so much more bad *** then weak *** king james...

Raps18-19 Champ
11-29-2012, 07:35 PM
hes made the most clutch shots out of anybody ever in league history he has also taken the most so obviously hes bound to fail... and he deserves to be called the black mamba because he doesn't give a **** what people say whether he makes or misses the last shot, hes just a cold blooded assassin. but lebron king james really? when did he ever do anything to be called that name? he was never the king of anything until last year, his fans calling him that is a joke and really "the chosen one" who tattoos that on themselves smh...lebron is not overrated because of his on the court ability lebron is overrated because fan boys like you like to rank him way higher then where he deserves to be ranked. Last but not least the nickname black mamba sounds so much more bad *** then weak *** king james...

Like I said, it's a nickname. Only an idiot takes that stuff seriously to actually argue for or against it.

Kobe's not a snake. Lebron isn't a king. They call themselves that because it's a nickname for the hell of it.

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-29-2012, 07:37 PM
rarely anyone on this site calls him the greatest but you guys like to think that.

you clearly can't see through you're lebron homer goggles, ive seen plenty of people call him the best ever just go on youtube and you'll see and people here already have him ahead of kobe duncan shaq and a bunch of others on the all-time list. smh atleast i can admit lebron is the best right now but some of you just go way overboard saying oh he's far and away the best player and nobody comes close please there is a guy named kevin durant that's pretty close and a guy in his 17th year who's found the fountain of youth and is playing like a top 3 player in the league again...

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-29-2012, 07:38 PM
It's the same reason people hate Kobe. His fanboys.

Also, lol at you thinking Lebron isn't in the top 15. :laugh2:
hes not atleast not yet idk why it's so hard for u guys not to understand there are still about 15-17 players that have had similar or better success then lebron

bucketss
11-29-2012, 07:38 PM
hes made the most clutch shots out of anybody ever in league history he has also taken the most so obviously hes bound to fail... and he deserves to be called the black mamba because he doesn't give a **** what people say whether he makes or misses the last shot, hes just a cold blooded assassin. but lebron king james really? when did he ever do anything to be called that name? he was never the king of anything until last year, his fans calling him that is a joke and really "the chosen one" who tattoos that on themselves smh...lebron is not overrated because of his on the court ability lebron is overrated because fan boys like you like to rank him way higher then where he deserves to be ranked. Last but not least the nickname black mamba sounds so much more bad *** then weak *** king james...
exactly he earned it this year so we can call him king james. even his biggest hater skip said you can now call him king james.

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-29-2012, 07:39 PM
i call kendrick lamar .. king kendrick lamar that means im a kendrick nut hugger?im just recognizing greatness.

pretty much because that means you think he's the best out there when clearly there are better artist out there and the rap game is pretty weak right now

Raps18-19 Champ
11-29-2012, 07:39 PM
hes not atleast not yet idk why it's so hard for u guys not to understand there are still about 15-17 players that have had similar or better success then lebron

Name the 15-17.

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-29-2012, 07:40 PM
Like I said, it's a nickname. Only an idiot takes that stuff seriously to actually argue for or against it.

Kobe's not a snake. Lebron isn't a king. They call themselves that because it's a nickname for the hell of it.

:facepalm:

bucketss
11-29-2012, 07:41 PM
you clearly can't see through you're lebron homer goggles, ive seen plenty of people call him the best ever just go on youtube and you'll see and people here already have him ahead of kobe duncan shaq and a bunch of others on the all-time list. smh atleast i can admit lebron is the best right now but some of you just go way overboard saying oh he's far and away the best player and nobody comes close please there is a guy named kevin durant that's pretty close and a guy in his 17th year who's found the fountain of youth and is playing like a top 3 player in the league again...

lol @ youtube why the hell would you take youtube/twitter/facebook kind of comments seriously??

bucketss
11-29-2012, 07:43 PM
pretty much because that means you think he's the best out there when clearly there are better artist out there and the rap game is pretty weak right now

isn't lebron the best out there? so he deserves the crown especially what just happened this past june.

Hawkeye15
11-29-2012, 07:44 PM
hes not atleast not yet idk why it's so hard for u guys not to understand there are still about 15-17 players that have had similar or better success then lebron

so you are ranking players on team success? Because there sure as hell aren't 5 players or more that have put up his constant numbers and sustained his individual dominance.

Raps18-19 Champ
11-29-2012, 07:44 PM
:facepalm:

Why facepalm facts?

HouRealCoach
11-29-2012, 07:44 PM
hes not atleast not yet idk why it's so hard for u guys not to understand there are still about 15-17 players that have had similar or better success then lebron

Can you name them please? I wanna know the 15-17 with 3 MVP's, Finals MVP, 2 Gold Medals, Scoring Title, Leading league in PER multiple times, etc. (& that's just halfway through his career)

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-29-2012, 07:45 PM
Appreciate it alot much love bro



Please name 15 players better than LeBron.... This here is a must see

& I don't hate Kobe, I actually have him ranked Top 10 around 7 or 8 all time... He's great but you are the guys who say he should have 4 MVP's, ignore his flaws, and think he can take an AAU team to the championship or something
as of the moment these guys are still better then lebron all-time
Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Magic
Kobe
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Hakeem
Big O
Julius Erving
Jerry West
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
Bill Russell

are u happy now?

HouRealCoach
11-29-2012, 07:47 PM
And average 27, 7, 7... Consistently make it to All NBA First Team, and Defense First, and consistently have their team in contention as the number 1 option

lamzoka
11-29-2012, 07:48 PM
1- Duncan
2- Shaq
3- Kobe
4- LeBron
5- Garnett
6- Kidd (remember his days with the nets)
7- D-Wade
8- Dirk
9- Steve Nash
10- Paul pierce

11- Iverson
12- T-mac
13- Yao

Raps18-19 Champ
11-29-2012, 07:48 PM
as of the moment these guys are still better then lebron all-time
Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Magic
Kobe
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Hakeem
Big O
Julius Erving
Jerry West
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
Bill Russell

are u happy now?

Lolololol.

The bolded aren't better than Lebron. Lebron is more accomplished than the ones bolded both individually and team wise.

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-29-2012, 07:50 PM
lol @ youtube why the hell would you take youtube/twitter/facebook kind of comments seriously??


so does that mean i shoudn't take psd seriously either because i really don't i like debating and all but psd is just as much of a joke as any other fan sites, the real opinions come from the experts but i don't wanna get into that i don't want the lebron fans to get mad and start attacking me for agreeing with what the media said for a long time that according to psd is false cough cough (kobe being the best player from about 06-10)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsaL_BDAeqA

bucketss
11-29-2012, 07:51 PM
i'll admit sometimes i get carried away and say some things even i dont agree with but guys like nickdymes make me stoop to their level smh. sorry for the outburst today guys

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-29-2012, 07:52 PM
Lolololol.

The bolded aren't better than Lebron. Lebron is more accomplished than the ones bolded both individually and team wise.

yes they are at the moment yes, lebron will probably pass those guys u bolded and a few others in the near future but as of now no... you gotta give credit where credit is due and those other guys are still ranked higher then lbj for now

HouRealCoach
11-29-2012, 07:53 PM
as of the moment these guys are still better then lebron all-time
Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Magic
Kobe
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
Hakeem
Big O
Julius Erving
Jerry West
Karl Malone
Charles Barkley
Bill Russell

are u happy now?

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

So all of them have averaged at least 27, 7, 7, Have 3 MVP's, Have a Finals MVP, Always was the best player on his team offensively and defensively, Have multiple ALL NBA first & ALL Defense First selections, Always had their teams looking like a championship contender, Have a scoring title, led the league in PER multiple times? I'm sorry but that whole list hasn't even led their team to a championship

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-29-2012, 07:53 PM
i'll admit sometimes i get carried away and say some things even i dont agree with but guys like nickdymes make me stoop to their level smh. sorry for the outburst today guys

you're a well known lebron supporter there is no need to pretend you're on another level then someone else because you're either at that level or even worse

Raps18-19 Champ
11-29-2012, 07:55 PM
yes they are at the moment yes, lebron will probably pass those guys u bolded and a few others in the near future but as of now no... you gotta give credit where credit is due and those other guys are still ranked higher then lbj for now

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

So wait. Even though Lebron, in his 10 year career, has had more individual and team success than all of those guys bolded, he's not better than them?

bucketss
11-29-2012, 07:55 PM
so does that mean i shoudn't take psd seriously either because i really don't i like debating and all but psd is just as much of a joke as any other fan sites, the real opinions come from the experts but i don't wanna get into that i don't want the lebron fans to get mad and start attacking me for agreeing with what the media said for a long time that according to psd is false cough cough (kobe being the best player from about 06-10)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsaL_BDAeqA

theres posters on here whos opinion should be taken seriously and those who shouldn't ie;domefavors,nickdymes,losoway(who i believe said lebron is goat) its obvious who those people are.

btw i agree kobe is the best since jordan and better than lebron even though lebron has his chance to catch up, i don't admit this because kobe fans on this site are annoying.

bucketss
11-29-2012, 07:56 PM
you're a well known lebron supporter there is no need to pretend you're on another level then someone else because you're either at that level or even worse

i like lebron but i hate the lakers organization and fanbase more than anything lebron isn't even top 5 of my favorite players.

bucketss
11-29-2012, 07:57 PM
theres one thing that will make me hate lebron and that is if he joins the lakers.

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-29-2012, 08:02 PM
fair enough, i'm done with this topic though this isnt going anywhere

Raps18-19 Champ
11-29-2012, 08:04 PM
fair enough, i'm done with this topic though this isnt going anywhere

I want to hear your reasoning as to why you think those guys are better than Lebron when they clearly aren't.

Bruno
11-29-2012, 08:09 PM
LeBron wasn't even in the league for 30% of the time frame we are discussing. top four? absolutely, top three? debatable. top vote getter? pre-mature and political.

tredigs
11-29-2012, 08:10 PM
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

So all of them have averaged at least 27, 7, 7, Have 3 MVP's, Have a Finals MVP, Always was the best player on his team offensively and defensively, Have multiple ALL NBA first & ALL Defense First selections, Always had their teams looking like a championship contender, Have a scoring title, led the league in PER multiple times? I'm sorry but that whole list hasn't even led their team to a championship

That was a pretty robust list. I'd have Lebron over 2-3 of those careers, but if you think it's laughable then you're kidding yourself. You list Lebron's key career milestones, but you're ignoring theirs. Virtually all of them have accomplishments within the game in one facet or another that Lebron does not.

For clarity sake would you bold the ones you think Lebron has a "LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" case over? I think it's going to be a much tougher sell than you think.

From 2000 on IMO it has been:

1) Duncan
2) Kobe
3) Shaq (2000-2003 alone just teeter him above Lebron at this point)
4) Lebron (will pass Shaq and rival Kobe with another great Finals appearance/win imo)
5) KG
6) Dirk
The rest.

Raps18-19 Champ
11-29-2012, 08:14 PM
LeBron wasn't even in the league for 30% of the time frame we are discussing. top four? absolutely, top three? debatable. top vote getter? pre-mature and political.

Title says starting from 2000. So he's been in the league for 10 years basically. If you count this year, he's been in the league for about 77% in the 21st century.

Bruno
11-29-2012, 08:26 PM
Title says starting from 2000. So he's been in the league for 10 years basically. If you count this year, he's been in the league for about 77% in the 21st century.

no.

1. 1999-2000 season (vast bulk of this season was in '00, it counts here)
2. 2000-2001 season.
3. 2001-2002 season.
4. 2002-2003 season.
5. 2003-2004 season.
6. 2004-2005 season.
7. 2005-2006 season.
8. 2006-2007 season.
9. 2007-2008 season.
10. 2008-2009 season.
11. 2009-2010 season.
12. 2010-2011 season
13. 2011-2012 season

that's 13 full NBA seasons, and LeBron didn't participate in four of them. 9/13 is 69%.

you want to count this season to justify the vote? We've played less than a month of the season. Anyways, even if we want to value the dozen games from this year in the same way we do a full season (which doesn't make any sense) that's still only 10/14, good enough for 71%

Kobe and Duncan have dominated throughout. makes zero sense to rank a guy who only participated in 70% of the given time-frame above two top ten players who participated the entire time. youngsters on PSD running wild with this stuff.

Raps18-19 Champ
11-29-2012, 08:28 PM
no.

1. 1999-2000 season (vast bulk of this season was in '00, it counts here)
2. 2000-2001 season.
3. 2001-2002 season.
4. 2002-2003 season.
5. 2003-2004 season.
6. 2004-2005 season.
7. 2005-2006 season.
8. 2006-2007 season.
9. 2007-2008 season.
10. 2008-2009 season.
11. 2009-2010 season.
12. 2010-2011 season
13. 2011-2012 season

that's 13 full NBA seasons, and LeBron didn't participate in four of them. 9/13 is 69%.

you want to count this season to justify the vote? We've played less than a month of the season. Anyways, even if we want to value the dozen games from this year in the same way we do a full season (which doesn't make any sense) that's still only 10/14, good enough for 71%

Kobe and Duncan have dominated throughout. makes zero sense to rank a guy who only participated in 70% of the given time-frame above two top ten players who participated the entire time. youngsters on PSD running wild with this stuff.

From the year 200 onwards. I only counted the seasons that were completely in the 21st century because that's what the question asked.

Bruno
11-29-2012, 08:30 PM
the Lakers played 104 games during the 1999-2000 season, Raps-Champ. 82 regular season, 22 playoffs.

Only 15 of those 104 games took place in December of 1999.

That season's gotta count here. It was the first playoffs of the new century, and the vast majority of the games were played in the new century.

Bruno
11-29-2012, 08:32 PM
From the year 200 onwards. I only counted the seasons that were completely in the 21st century because that's what the question asked.

yes... from the year 2000 onwards. 86% of the 1999-2000 season was in the new century, including playoffs.

it counts.

Raps18-19 Champ
11-29-2012, 08:34 PM
the Lakers played 104 games during the 1999-2000 season, Raps-Champ. 82 regular season, 22 playoffs.

Only 15 of those 104 games took place in December of 1999.

That season's gotta count here. It was the first playoffs of the new century, and the vast majority of the games were played in the new century.

I'm only going by what the question asks. But maybe I interpret wrong. Who knows.

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-29-2012, 08:36 PM
I want to hear your reasoning as to why you think those guys are better than Lebron when they clearly aren't.

Longetivity

Bruno
11-29-2012, 08:37 PM
I'm only going by what the question asks. But maybe I interpret wrong. Who knows.


if you were going by what the question asks, there would be zero debate as to if the 2000 NBA championship and it's regular season counts here.

Raps18-19 Champ
11-29-2012, 08:37 PM
Longetivity

Lebron's almost 10 years are better than their longevity.

mngopher35
11-29-2012, 08:39 PM
I'm only going by what the question asks. But maybe I interpret wrong. Who knows.

I assumed it meant starting in the year 1999-2000 as well since most of the season was in 2000. Also when I say the lakers won I say they won from 2000-2002, so it all fits in for me. I see why you could easily interpret it differently though.

Raps18-19 Champ
11-29-2012, 08:39 PM
if you were going by what the question asks, there would be zero debate as to if the 2000 NBA championship and it's regular season counts here.

I suppose.

lakersiznumber1
11-29-2012, 08:51 PM
kb24 and its not even close

kblo247
11-29-2012, 11:49 PM
Kobe
Tim
Shaq - Bron
KG
Kidd

That's it for me

JordansBulls
12-03-2012, 06:26 PM
kb24 and its not even close

Explain how is it not even close my friend?

TheSource
12-03-2012, 06:36 PM
Kobe/Duncan (more on Kobe's side for being in 7 of the last 12 NBA Finals, and winning 5 championships in those appearances).

Shaq - Even though he has only been his best during half the time between 00 and 13, his dominance in that time is arguably the best we've ever seen considering the level of competition we have today.

LeBron - We've only seen a glimpse of what this dude has to offer but he hasn't proven himself to ahead of Kobe/Duncan/Shaq.

KG - Self explanatory, maintained a high level of play throughout this time and has won 1/2 Finals appearances.

Sportfan
12-03-2012, 08:55 PM
Kobe
Duncan
Lebron
Shaq
KG

LBJ6
12-04-2012, 12:52 AM
Lebron, and probably be all time.

JordansBulls
12-05-2012, 12:52 PM
Lebron, and probably be all time.

Well you did admit you never started watching bball until July 2010.

SanAntonioSpurs23
12-05-2012, 03:39 PM
Lebron over Shaq, Kobe, or Duncan is a disgrace....

SanAntonioSpurs23
12-05-2012, 03:43 PM
1. Tim Duncan (2 MVP's, 4 Championships, 2 Finals MVP, 7 1st Team All-NBA, 7 1st Team All-Defense)
2. LeBron James (3 MVP's, 1 Finals MVP, 6 1st Team All-NBA, 4 1st Team All-Defense)
3. Shaquille O'Neal (1 MVP, 4 Championships, 3 Finals MVP, 7 1st Team All-NBA)
4. Kobe Bryant (1 MVP, 5 Championships, 2 Finals MVP, 10 1st Team All-NBA, 9 1st Team All-Defense)
5. Kevin Garnett (1 MVP, 1 Championship, 4 1st Team All-NBA, 9 1st Team All-Defense)
6. Dwyane Wade (2 Championships, 1 Finals MVP, 2 1st Team All-NBA)
7. Dirk Nowitzki (1 MVP, 1 Championship, 1 Finals MVP, 4 1st Team All-NBA)
8. Jason Kidd (1 Championship, 4 1st Team All-NBA, 3 1st Team All-Defense)
9. Allen Iverson (1 MVP, 2 1st Team All-NBA)
10. Steve Nash (2 MVP's, 3 1st Team All-NBA)



Fify, and lol LBJ :facepalm:

LoveMeOrHateMe
12-05-2012, 03:44 PM
Well you did admit you never started watching bball until July 2010.

This lol