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lvlheaded
11-28-2012, 07:23 PM
With Mike Piazza being on the HOF ballot for the first time, I felt this was a good time to ask this question...

Assuming he gets in, what hat does he wear Mets or Dodgers?

Dodgers:
6 Years
726 3017 2707 443 896 115 3 177 563 10 11 283 440 .331 .394 .572 .966 160 1548 75 10 0 17 62

Mets:
8 Years
972 3941 3478 532 1028 193 2 220 655 7 9 424 546 .296 .373 .542 .915 136 1885 132 17 0 22 82

Piazza himself has, on multiple occasions, said that given the choice, he'd go in as a Met. However, some one asked in the Met forum today who he would go in for so I pose it to you PSD. If Piazza gets the call, is it as a Met or a Dodger.

As a Met fan, I cast my vote for the Mets :D

EDIT: If a mod could add a poll, id be much obliged

abe_froman
11-28-2012, 07:25 PM
probably mets.more years,greater media exposure there...hell most people probably dont know that he was a dodger as its been so well hidden these past 10-15 years

Jeffy25
11-28-2012, 07:26 PM
Mets probably.

Spent more time there, but he was better as a Dodger.

MetsFanatic19
11-28-2012, 07:26 PM
Mets.

Jeffy25
11-28-2012, 07:26 PM
He should go in as a Marlin though

Vampirate
11-28-2012, 07:27 PM
I was about to say 5 minutes until I realized it was PiAzza and this was a baseball forum haha.

But yeah, Mets is my guess.

2009mvp
11-28-2012, 07:31 PM
A's

THINKBLUE15
11-28-2012, 07:32 PM
He was better at baseball when he played for the Dodgers

T 980
11-28-2012, 07:33 PM
Marlins

lvlheaded
11-28-2012, 07:34 PM
I have a feeling a lot of Dodger fans are going to choose the Dodgers

gmanthree15
11-28-2012, 07:40 PM
The only reason players don't get to choose which team they go in as is because of the Wade Boggs shenanigan with the Tampa Bay Rays. In a case like this they better go with the player's wishes.

He should go in as a Met. Perhaps the Dodgers shouldn't have traded the greatest hitting catcher ever for cancer and then this wouldn't even be a discussion.

DodgerB24
11-28-2012, 07:42 PM
Best years were as a Dodger, but he spent more time as a Met.

ehh

Beltrans Mole
11-28-2012, 07:46 PM
He'll go in as a Met. This sounds insane, but that post 9/11 walkoff homer as a Met may be the reason people view Mike Piazza as a Met not a Dodger.

lvlheaded
11-28-2012, 07:46 PM
Though players arent allowed to choose, I think it makes sense that there wishes should be considered. Especially if it isnt an unrealistic request

Havoc Wreaker
11-28-2012, 07:47 PM
I think he goes in as a Yankee just for the hell of it

THINKBLUE15
11-28-2012, 07:47 PM
I have a feeling a lot of Dodger fans are going to choose the Dodgers

Why wouldn't they? He was better as a Dodger, played 2 less seasons.

People will choose the Mets because that's what is freshest in their minds and he played 2 more years there.

We all know he will go in as a Met one of 2 ways: He gets to choose, and he hates the Dodgers for trading him. Or he is chosen by the committee as a Met because that's where he last played during his prime.

blue bleeder09
11-28-2012, 07:48 PM
Dodgers

Skippy15
11-28-2012, 07:51 PM
Mets. Better as a dodger but more memorable as a met IMO.

World Series appearance, roger Clemens throwing bat at (or towards, whatever I don't care), getting hit in the head vs Clemens, the post 9/11 home run

Skippy15
11-28-2012, 07:52 PM
Why wouldn't they? He was better as a Dodger, played 2 less seasons.

People will choose the Mets because that's what is freshest in their minds and he played 2 more years there.

We all know he will go in as a Met one of 2 ways: He gets to choose, and he hates the Dodgers for trading him. Or he is chosen by the committee as a Met because that's where he last played during his prime.

Players don't get a say anymore

lvlheaded
11-28-2012, 07:53 PM
Why wouldn't they? He was better as a Dodger, played 2 less seasons.

People will choose the Mets because that's what is freshest in their minds and he played 2 more years there.

We all know he will go in as a Met one of 2 ways: He gets to choose, and he hates the Dodgers for trading him. Or he is chosen by the committee as a Met because that's where he last played during his prime.

It isn't as if he was a superstar with the Dodgers and a scrub as a Met. He was still a superstar as a Met. The batting average with the Dodgers was better, but the rest of the numbers are all comparable.

I think he goes as a Met because he was there longer and he seemed to prefer his time with the Mets, no matter the reason.

I do think its a close call, but I have to believe his preference for the Mets and his slightly longer tenure gives the Mets the nod

Rio40
11-28-2012, 07:58 PM
He was better as a dodger but was still a superstar with the mets. His last 2 years really brought down his overall numbers as a Met. Going to the World Series with the Mets, the post 9/11 walk off and the fact he wants to go in as a Met are all reasons I think he should be.

ciaban
11-28-2012, 07:59 PM
he was the best catcher of the 90's which team did he play for in the 90's? the dodgers, that's where he had his best seasons and rookie of the year and MVP season(he should have gotten it) over parts of 7 seasons. Plus the dodgers were the ones to take a shot on him, no one else would have.

Jeffy25
11-28-2012, 08:01 PM
He was better at baseball when he played for the Dodgers

Maybe to you, not necessarily nationally.

DigglinDickers
11-28-2012, 08:01 PM
The guy batted 331 during his time with the Dodgers. He just felt betrayed when Fox traded him so I can't blame him for being bitter. I would love for Dodgers new ownership reach out to Piazza and bring him to the organization in some kind of capacity. If Larry Walker wasn't playing in Colorado in 97 Piazza would have been an MVP as a Dodger.

Jeffy25
11-28-2012, 08:03 PM
Though players arent allowed to choose, I think it makes sense that there wishes should be considered. Especially if it isnt an unrealistic request

i think it would be great if a panel got to vote/choose, and if the vote is close, or it's 'too close to call' then the player should get the final answer.

Piazza going in as a Met or a Dodger is fair either way. As long as it's not as a Padre, A or Marlin then it's fine. So if he wanted to pick between these two, then I would be fine with it.

ciaban
11-28-2012, 08:06 PM
The guy batted 331 during his time with the Dodgers. He just felt betrayed when Fox traded him so I can't blame him for being bitter. I would love for Dodgers new ownership reach out to Piazza and bring him to the organization in some kind of capacity.

he shouldn't be, he would have never gotten a chance had it not been for Tommy Lasorda.

Do what would make tommy happy! Be a Dodger forever.

metswon69
11-28-2012, 08:06 PM
He should go in as a Met because he was with us longer (in the majors) and had more historic moments as a Met.

But if I remember correctly he is Lasordas godson so I see him going in as a Dodger in honor of Lasorda

joehieronymus
11-28-2012, 08:09 PM
i always remember mike piazza's story being that of a dodger...perhaps it is because mets' fans tend to blabber on so much, so i tune them out more...hee hee

ciaban
11-28-2012, 08:09 PM
He should go in as a Met because he was with us longer in the majors and had more historic moments as a Mets.

But if I remember correctly he is Lasordas godson so I see him going in as a Dodger in honor of Lasorda
he had some pretty big moments in LA, but he was only a met a year longer.

Jeffy25
11-28-2012, 08:14 PM
he had some pretty big moments in LA, but he was only a met a year longer.

Over 900 more PA as a Met, that's basically 2 years worth and his first year with the Dodgers hardly counts (21 games).


He spent 50.88% of his career PA with the Mets
38.95% of his career PA with the Dodgers

He produced 40.64% of his career rWAR value with the Mets
He produced 54.72% of his career rWAR value with the Dodgers

It's a reasonable discussion.

DigglinDickers
11-28-2012, 08:19 PM
I thinks it's Mike's brother that's Tommy's God son. Little off topic but does anyone remember Mike's father being a part of a group that was trying to buy the Giant's I believe the team it was. They were rejected for multiple reasons but I believe one of them was fear of mob ties.

metswon69
11-28-2012, 08:21 PM
I read in an interview somewhere he would go in as a Met.

metswon69
11-28-2012, 08:23 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/09/sports/baseball/09piazza.html

Sorry can't quote it, on my phone.

lvlheaded
11-28-2012, 08:37 PM
Its an interesting debate. I do believe he ultimately goes as a Met, but its definitely close.

I pray he goes as a Met :D

Sick Of It All
11-28-2012, 08:40 PM
As a Padre or an A's.

metswon69
11-28-2012, 08:41 PM
Those are his words that he wants to go in as a Met, he could have said he was undecided but he didn't.

Greedy22
11-28-2012, 08:46 PM
Ehh I'd put him in as a dodger, he was at his best with them. I see him going in as a Met though.

jmkh
11-28-2012, 09:02 PM
of course i would want him as a Dodger, but he'll prob go in as a Met

mexican dodger
11-28-2012, 09:03 PM
Dodgers

long ball
11-28-2012, 09:03 PM
I don't really care, but when I think of him it is in a mets uniform.

Guppyfighter
11-28-2012, 09:20 PM
He goes in as an A's player. End of discussion.

Fly
11-28-2012, 09:52 PM
I agree with long ball's post, when I think of Piazza I think of New York and him in a Met's jersey.

MetsFanatic19
11-28-2012, 10:02 PM
Not only as a Mets fan, but a New Yorker, I honestly believe this is all you need: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A3hmASpDqg

He had so many HUGE hits for the Mets. He will always be a Met in my eyes, even if he does go in as a Dodger.

Yankees90.
11-28-2012, 10:09 PM
Padres :cool:

metswon69
11-28-2012, 10:38 PM
We are all wrong, he should go in as a Marlin.

He had some big moments in his 5 games there.

ciaban
11-28-2012, 11:22 PM
i think the way people remember him depends on where they grew up, or when they started watching baseball.

NYMETS2889
11-28-2012, 11:30 PM
typically the committee in these situations tend to use the team that has less representation (the mets currently have 1 player in the hall) so it will probably be NY and given how vocal he has been over his desire to go in as a met it will most likely be the mets

that being said even if he went in as a dodger it doesnt change what he did the mets and new york during his tenure here and his number should be retired this year, ownership clearly views him on the level of seaver (just look at their appearances and coupling them together)

SACNYY
11-29-2012, 04:22 AM
Padres

Krush
11-29-2012, 04:23 AM
A's

SACNYY
11-29-2012, 04:29 AM
Remember the "I'm not gay, I'm heterosexual" Press conference? lol.

NYYCowboys
11-29-2012, 04:46 AM
It's gotta be the Mets. He meant so much to that organization and its fans.

Dugmet
11-29-2012, 05:13 AM
Players don't get a say anymore

:nod:

HoF will ask the player if he has a preference. If the HOF's opinion is split, Piazza's preference could be the deciding factor.

Leandres_sf
11-29-2012, 05:28 AM
Mets, I think he meant more to that organization than he did to the Dodgers.

HowFit
11-29-2012, 05:38 AM
Mets...

Pinstripe pride
11-29-2012, 09:52 AM
Mets

Jeffy25
11-29-2012, 10:05 AM
We are all wrong, he should go in as a Marlin.

He had some big moments in his 5 games there.

I actually saw one of those games live :)

Mr Haha
11-29-2012, 10:06 AM
Over 900 more PA as a Met, that's basically 2 years worth and his first year with the Dodgers hardly counts (21 games).


He spent 50.88% of his career PA with the Mets
38.95% of his career PA with the Dodgers

He produced 40.64% of his career rWAR value with the Mets
He produced 54.72% of his career rWAR value with the Dodgers

It's a reasonable discussion.

It's got to come down to more than this... Come on Jeffy. Display a bit of heart here.

As an unapologetic Mets hating New Yorker, the post 9/11 homer was a moment that was bigger than the game itself. Couple that with the fact that Piazza's Mets played more meaningful late season games and playoff games than Piazza's Dodgers...

His most meaningful and memorable baseball was played as a Met. He should be remembered as such.

Jeffy25
11-29-2012, 10:18 AM
It's got to come down to more than this... Come on Jeffy. Display a bit of heart here.

As an unapologetic Mets hating New Yorker, the post 9/11 homer was a moment that was bigger than the game itself. Couple that with the fact that Piazza's Mets played more meaningful late season games and playoff games should than Piazza's Dodgers...

His most meaningful and memorable baseball was played as a Met. He should be remembered as such.

Just a snap-shot view of the production. Of course, he displayed almost a full decade with each organization, there is more to it then.

Bravo95
11-29-2012, 10:39 AM
Remember the "I'm not gay, I'm heterosexual" Press conference? lol.
Missed opportunity if they don't put it on his plaque.

todu82
11-29-2012, 11:58 AM
As a Met.

Odominator
11-29-2012, 12:20 PM
More importantly, what team will Paul Lo Duca go into cooperstown as?

vtmet
11-29-2012, 02:48 PM
Dodgers...

He might have spent more time as a Met, but he played at a HOF caliber longer as a Dodger:

As a Dodger; 7 years, 3000+ Plate Appearances of:
.331 average; .394 OBP; .574 Slugging Percentage; .966 OPS;

As a Met, it can be broken down into 2 stages, because as an aging catcher, Mike started to break down:
'98-'02: 2878 Plate Appearances of:
.308 average; .378 OBP; .575 Slugging Percentage; .953 OPS;
(180 of those Plate Appearances came as a Dodger/Marlin in '98)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/piazzmi01.shtml#1998-2002-sum:batting_standard
'03-'05: 1243 Plate Appearances of:
.265 average; .352 OBP; .455 slugging Percentage; .808 OPS;
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/piazzmi01.shtml#2003-2005-sum:batting_standard

Bernman
11-29-2012, 03:15 PM
Mike Piazza - should just keep his head down & his mouth shut. He will have gotten away with using performance enhancing drugs & still get into the Hall of Fame of the 1st chance - unlike Bonds & Clemens.

Jeffy25
11-29-2012, 03:22 PM
Mike Piazza - should just keep his head down & his mouth shut. He will have gotten away with using performance enhancing drugs & still get into the Hall of Fame of the 1st chance - unlike Bonds & Clemens.
What about Rickey?

VRP723
11-29-2012, 03:23 PM
Smh

Bernman
11-29-2012, 03:26 PM
Yep - Rickey, Bagwell, Ivan Rodriguez - they will all be in the hall based on that there was no report mentioning their names - very funny!

You also have guys like Gaylord Perry who has admitted to cheating his whole life & is in the Hall of Fame - BTW - He really was not that good anyway!

Meanwhile - they keep Pete Rose out based on that the gambled on baseball after he retired as an active player - hum?

defjersol
11-29-2012, 03:41 PM
A's

haha yes

Jeffy25
11-29-2012, 03:42 PM
Meanwhile - they keep Pete Rose out based on that the gambled on baseball after he retired as an active player - hum?

Well it's not the voters that are keeping him out.

He is banned from baseball by the commissioner's office for his behavior, regardless if it was as a manager.

I personally believe he should be in the hall of fame as a player though

popo85
11-29-2012, 05:33 PM
Mets

lol, please
11-30-2012, 02:09 AM
Clearly the Mets.

Cheezombie
11-30-2012, 05:12 AM
A's

Beat me to it :/

Cracka2HI!
11-30-2012, 05:24 AM
He's not a Hall of Famer without the Dodgers years. A career full of seasons like he had on the Mets is not a HOF player. That said he should go in as a Dodger. This is one of many players that should probably get to pick...as long as we wasn't going to pick San Diego or Oakland...or Florida! LOL!!

H-MYK
11-30-2012, 09:13 PM
He'll go in as a Met

FraziersKnicks
11-30-2012, 09:24 PM
More everything as a Met. He had his best seasons as a Dodger, but he has more everything as a Met. Games, AB's, PA's, hits, HR's, RBI's etc.

Wrigheyes4MVP
12-01-2012, 07:06 PM
I'd be honestly shocked if he didn't get in as a Met.

Honestly, in this case he should have the opportunity to choose. He wants to go in as a Met. He bleeds blue and orange and I don't think its just because he is angry that the Dodgers traded him.

All you need to see is the fact that some Dodgers fans have actually come out and said that they think he will go in as a Met. No Mets fan will ever come out and say that he should go in as a Dodger.

It would be a personal hit to the entire Mets fan base if he didn't get in as a Met, whereas some Dodgers fans would be upset, but many would understand if he didn't get in as a Dodger.

Jeffy25
12-01-2012, 08:24 PM
Piazza has almost as many votes for the Mets here, as he does Hall of Fame votes in the other thread :p

LakersA's49ers
12-01-2012, 08:30 PM
A's easily. He was a superstar in 2007. nottttttttttt.

but seriously NYM

Dugmet
12-01-2012, 08:32 PM
Yep - Rickey, Bagwell, Ivan Rodriguez - they will all be in the hall based on that there was no report mentioning their names - very funny!

You also have guys like Gaylord Perry who has admitted to cheating his whole life & is in the Hall of Fame - BTW - He really was not that good anyway!

Meanwhile - they keep Pete Rose out based on that the gambled on baseball after he retired as an active player - hum?

Gambling was illegal in baseball at the time Rose was betting on games. It had been illegal for a very long time. Using PEDs was not "illegal" when players like McGwire were using them.

Yankee Clipper
12-01-2012, 08:49 PM
Los Mets

dodgerdave
12-01-2012, 09:47 PM
3941 PA's as a Met vs. 3017 PA's as a Dodger. Yes, he had more PA's as a Met, but the difference isn't as great as many people make it sound here. Despite having played more as a Met, he still has a higher WAR as a Dodger (30.7 as a Dodger vs. 22.8 as a Met). He should go in as a Dodger. He should have arguably won the 1995, 1996, and 1997 NL MVP Awards by a landslide.

Raider0510
12-01-2012, 10:35 PM
Gambling was illegal in baseball at the time Rose was betting on games. It had been illegal for a very long time. Using PEDs was not "illegal" when players like McGwire were using them.

Pete rose should be in the hall of fame as a player not as coach im not saying what he did was right but his induction should be based souly on his playing carrer which he me most deffinatly
deserves

Dugmet
12-02-2012, 01:12 PM
Pete rose should be in the hall of fame as a player not as coach im not saying what he did was right but his induction should be based souly on his playing carrer which he me most deffinatly
deserves

Rose's achievements are in the record books. His accomplishments will always be recognized, and he -- like Joe Jackson -- will always have noteriety and the public's respect for his skills.

The rule against gambling was established a long time ago and the penalties were spelled out clearly. Rose gambled with his own legacy, and lost the bet.

Nymfan87
12-02-2012, 01:18 PM
Did the Dodgers fans give Mike Piazza a standing ovation/curtain call after he hit a home run against them the year after he left?

No? Should be a Met then.

metsbulls1025
12-02-2012, 01:28 PM
3941 PA's as a Met vs. 3017 PA's as a Dodger. Yes, he had more PA's as a Met, but the difference isn't as great as many people make it sound here. Despite having played more as a Met, he still has a higher WAR as a Dodger (30.7 as a Dodger vs. 22.8 as a Met). He should go in as a Dodger. He should have arguably won the 1995, 1996, and 1997 NL MVP Awards by a landslide.

Without looking at the numbers because I am on my phone and don't have time could this be because he didn't spend his declining years with the Dodgers and he did with the Mets?

Jeffy25
12-02-2012, 03:52 PM
Rose's achievements are in the record books. His accomplishments will always be recognized, and he -- like Joe Jackson -- will always have noteriety and the public's respect for his skills.

The rule against gambling was established a long time ago and the penalties were spelled out clearly. Rose gambled with his own legacy, and lost the bet.

Nice line

SACNYY
12-02-2012, 04:00 PM
Rose gambled with his own legacy, and lost the bet.

:clap:

metswon69
12-02-2012, 06:15 PM
He should go in as a Marlin though

Happy to see you came around...

That game you went to with him in a Marlins uniform must have really struck a cord :)

noodle
12-02-2012, 08:26 PM
I vote mustache.

Gandalf
12-02-2012, 08:33 PM
Mets for sure

LeoYankee
12-02-2012, 08:49 PM
Either Mets or this one:

http://www.zazzle.com/i_love_steroids-148769018595052688

Jeffy25
12-02-2012, 09:49 PM
Happy to see you came around...

That game you went to with him in a Marlins uniform must have really struck a cord :)

It was a really great game.........for my Cardinals


http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SLN/SLN199805170.shtml


I remember openly talking about that trade and how it didn't make sense for the Marlins (I was 15).

And then they traded him again that week lol.

EwanSellars
12-02-2012, 10:08 PM
Mets i didnt even know he played for the dodgers when people think of mike piazza they think of the mets

gaughan333
12-02-2012, 11:27 PM
he was the best catcher of the 90's which team did he play for in the 90's? the dodgers, that's where he had his best seasons and rookie of the year and MVP season(he should have gotten it) over parts of 7 seasons. Plus the dodgers were the ones to take a shot on him, no one else would have.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rodriiv01.shtml

TheRazorboy
12-02-2012, 11:50 PM
A felt sombrero.

Maybe a propeller beanie.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
12-02-2012, 11:52 PM
I read in an interview somewhere he would go in as a Met.

I thought players couldn't choose IIRC?

metswon69
12-02-2012, 11:52 PM
If it was up to Mike he would go in as a Met.

He's stated as much but considering the decision isn't up to him we'll have to see.

He's a first ballot HOF without question though so we will find out soon enough.

Jeffy25
12-02-2012, 11:52 PM
I thought players couldn't choose IIRC?

Not since Wade Boggs

metswon69
12-02-2012, 11:57 PM
Not since Wade Boggs

Yeah Lasorda certainly has influence here that's why my initial assumption is he goes in as a Dodger.

But i read somewhere (and i could be mistaken) they usually put the player in based on the team with fewer representatives in the HOF if they had similar lengths of playing careers in two places.

That would suggest he would go in as a Met.

Killer Clown
12-03-2012, 12:00 AM
Def Mets

B'sCeltsPatsSox
12-03-2012, 12:03 AM
Not since Wade Boggs

Yeah I knew that because if they let Boggs pick he definitely wouldn't have gone in as a Red Sox lol.

But wasn't there some controversy when Andre Dawson went in though?

kyubi256
12-03-2012, 02:46 AM
He did more with the Dodgers but he meant more to the Mets

OaklandFan75
12-21-2012, 09:55 AM
The A's .. le duh

benzni
12-21-2012, 09:57 AM
maybe he will go in "hatless"

The Bard
12-21-2012, 10:04 AM
The A's .. le duh

You went through the trouble to find this thread, LMAO.....

Rio40
12-21-2012, 10:44 AM
Had better numbers as a Dodger.

Played more games as a Met.

Went to the World Series as a Met.

Game Winning Home Run first game after 9/11.

Although his numbers were better as a Dodger they were still HOF caliber with the Mets. He will be remembered as a Met and therefore should go into the HOF as a Met.

StayOnBoard
12-21-2012, 10:47 AM
I'd have to say the Mets too.

ZHawk1123
12-21-2012, 10:58 AM
He should wear nothing.

abovetherim1957
12-21-2012, 11:02 AM
If I was Mike I'd go in as a Met.

The Dodgers should have never traded him. FOX and the LA management threw him under the bus.

I still hate the trade.

colinskik
12-21-2012, 11:22 AM
A few questions for those who actually think he should go to the hall in a Dodgers hat:

- What type of team success did the Dodgers enjoy when he was there? (i.e. Did the Dodgers make any playoff push? I honestly can't remember)
- If his "best years" were with LA, why would they trade him away? That alone should count the Dodgers out of the discussion.

I'm actually surprised that some people are arguing against him going in as a Met. Sure, I'm biased because I'm from NYC, but I'm also a Yankees fan, for what it's worth. My point though is Piazza is put on a pedestal in New York as one of its legendary heroes. He was akin to Jeter when he was playing here. There's a mural near my house of him and Gil Hodges ... I'm almost positive there's nothing like that in LA ... unless he resembles one of those virgin mary murals.

Dmac
12-21-2012, 11:54 AM
Yeah I knew that because if they let Boggs pick he definitely wouldn't have gone in as a Red Sox lol.

But wasn't there some controversy when Andre Dawson went in though?

Dawson wanted to go in as a Cub. He didn't have a say in it though and the HOF felt the Expos made more sense since he was there longer. There wasn't really any controversy other then he was disappointed in the decision. Boggs said he was going to go in with a Devil Rays hat and be their first HOF. That is what started the HOF making the decision. I think one player even said he would go in wearing whatever team paid him the most money.

I always saw Piazza more of a Dodger then a Met even if he had a few more seasons in NY. I can see it going either way but he had better numbers as a Dodger and that is where he made his name as a superstar. More than likely he will go in as a Met though.

Santana4Prez'08
12-22-2012, 12:26 AM
i think the poll speaks for itself...

ciaban
12-22-2012, 01:28 AM
i think the poll speaks for itself...

You mean Mets and giants fans came out to vote in mass

DeyAce
12-22-2012, 01:37 AM
obviously mets

Tony Perkis
12-22-2012, 02:04 AM
Dodgers traded the greatest catcher of all time for Gary Sheffield, Charles Johnson, and a washedup bobby Bonilla....

And they wonder why theyve won 1 playoff series in 24 years

SACNYY
12-22-2012, 02:10 AM
I think his ankle tattoo should go in instead.

TheMoneyTeam
12-22-2012, 02:33 AM
Dodgers.

Greedy22
12-22-2012, 04:05 AM
i think the poll speaks for itself...

You mean Mets and giants fans came out to vote in mass I voted dodgers, jerk :mad:

bigmac8675
12-22-2012, 04:45 AM
He will always be a Met in my eyes.

NYSPORTS98
12-22-2012, 09:33 PM
I don't believe it's his choice. I believe the writers make the choice is what I heard on NY sports radio

Korac
12-22-2012, 09:52 PM
Unbiased Blue Jays fan here...and I say Mets without a doubt.

Yankee Clipper
12-22-2012, 09:56 PM
Los Mets.

kmo429
12-23-2012, 03:57 AM
It's a Met. He played 8 years with the Mets as opposed to 6 with the Dodgers. Yeah, he was a little bit more statistically impressive with the Dodgers but was still AWESOME with the Mets. He also led the Mets to a WS appearance. He himself said he'd like to in as a Met, I think it's the Mets. Im biased, I admit, Id be incredibly upset if he didnt go in as one, btu I think it makes more sense.

ciaban
12-23-2012, 04:26 AM
I voted dodgers, jerk :mad:

that's because were friends

ciaban
12-23-2012, 04:29 AM
as a dodger fan i wouldn't be crying in my sleep if his plaque had a mets logo , but i would want him to give his speech in a dodger hat, maybe some of you mets fans feel the same way?

i mean mets fans would you ever had gotten the chance to watch him and love him had Tommy Lassorda not made the dodgers draft him? i don't think it's all that bad if he goes in as a dodger just because of that.

tbarb20
12-23-2012, 12:55 PM
Maybe to you, not necessarily nationally.

That's the most ridiculous response. Better numbers aren't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact

ATL#22
12-23-2012, 01:12 PM
He should go in as a Marlin though

Ha 5 games played didn't even know that


I don't think he will ever wear a hat though in the hall though

MetsFanatic19
12-23-2012, 01:22 PM
as a dodger fan i wouldn't be crying in my sleep if his plaque had a mets logo , but i would want him to give his speech in a dodger hat, maybe some of you mets fans feel the same way?

i mean mets fans would you ever had gotten the chance to watch him and love him had Tommy Lassorda not made the dodgers draft him? i don't think it's all that bad if he goes in as a dodger just because of that.

Just because he got drafted by the Dodgers doesn't mean squat. Should Nolan Ryan be weraing a Mets hat in the HOF because he got drafted by the Mets?

Should he mention the Dodgers and be thankful for giving him a chance? Sure.

DodgerB24
12-23-2012, 01:43 PM
Met hat and Dodger plaque.

armchairgm
12-23-2012, 04:15 PM
He became a name as a Dodger and should go in as one. His best years were also as a Dodger.

Greedy22
12-24-2012, 05:44 AM
I voted dodgers, jerk :mad:

that's because were friends :laugh2:

he'll always be a dodger in my eyes, saw this guy playing as a minor leaguer with the Bakersfield Dodgers. I know he was a met longer so it doesn't really bother me, he was amazing for both franchises.

Claymation
12-24-2012, 11:10 AM
He was great as a Dodger, but he became a legend with the Mets.

BoSox47
12-24-2012, 11:35 AM
He should with the dodgers, thats where he really made his name, its jsut that everyone remebers the more recent stint with the mets. But he absolutely raked with the dodgers, also did very well with the mets.

If you look more indepthly at the stats tho piazza has 4 good years to his standards in la but really only 4 good years before he started taling off. tho hi OBP always stayed pretty high.

Its kind of like kevin garnett choosing who he is going to go in with. Timberwolves were his golden years, but kg won a championship with the celtics and piazza went to the ws with the mets.

KingsnQueens7
12-24-2012, 03:06 PM
Piazza played for the Dodgers? Really?

BoLasAzuL
12-25-2012, 08:19 PM
Dodgers!.....had Fox not bought the Dodgers this isnt even a discussion

Dugmet
12-25-2012, 11:13 PM
Piazza might be one of the few players the HoF lets name his preference.

Driven
12-25-2012, 11:33 PM
The only reason players don't get to choose which team they go in as is because of the Wade Boggs shenanigan with the Tampa Bay Rays. In a case like this they better go with the player's wishes.

He should go in as a Met. Perhaps the Dodgers shouldn't have traded the greatest hitting catcher ever for cancer and then this wouldn't even be a discussion.
So he should go in as a Met. But he should decide. But he should be go in as a Met, even though it's his decision.

Orange&Black55
12-26-2012, 01:39 AM
Mets. Spent more years there, and went to a World Series there.

SportsAndrew25
12-26-2012, 01:53 AM
The Mets. His most noteworthy career moments came during his years in New York.

ciaban
01-02-2013, 05:08 PM
Just because he got drafted by the Dodgers doesn't mean squat. Should Nolan Ryan be weraing a Mets hat in the HOF because he got drafted by the Mets?

Should he mention the Dodgers and be thankful for giving him a chance? Sure.
while nolan did win his ring in NY, he spent like 1 year of his 20+ year career in NY, i think he should have gone in as an angel, considering he had his best years and through 4 of his 7 no-hitters there. It's kind of a totally different situation.
But if the fact that he wouldn't have ever been a big leaguer without Tommy and the dodgers and the fact that his numbers were much better in less AB's isnt that important then why mention it at all?

He was great as a Dodger, but he became a legend with the Mets.
he was already a legend before going to NY, he had one of the all time best rookie seasons and did it behind the plate. Not to mention '97 when he hit .363

Piazza might be one of the few players the HoF lets name his preference.
they take everyones preference into consideration, but if Frank Thomas wanted to go in with an A's hat do you really think they would let him?

THINKBLUE15
01-02-2013, 05:24 PM
Idk why people act like the Dodgers just drafted him and that's it lol.

He played several years for the Dodgers and had his best seasons there. He's going in as a Met regardless of if he chooses or not. He's always been bitter at the Dodgers for trading him and he spent 2 more years there, going to the WS.

ciaban
01-02-2013, 05:52 PM
Idk why people act like the Dodgers just drafted him and that's it lol.

He played several years for the Dodgers and had his best seasons there. He's going in as a Met regardless of if he chooses or not. He's always been bitter at the Dodgers for trading him and he spent 2 more years there, going to the WS.

Idk Dawson wanted to be a cub and we saw how that went

Jeffy25
01-02-2013, 06:29 PM
Five best seasons rWAR

97 - 8.5 LAD
93 - 6.8 LAD
95 - 6.0 LAD
98 - 5.2 NYM
96 - 5.1 LAD

Total
30.7 rWAR LAD - 3017 PA
22.8 rWAR NYM - 3941 PA

So playing somewhere longer vs being better somewhere in a shorter amount of time?

ciaban
01-02-2013, 06:53 PM
Btw jeffy of his 5 beat seasons 98 was the year he was traded so of his 5 best years he spent all 5 in a dodgers uni

Dugmet
01-02-2013, 07:20 PM
Five best seasons rWAR

97 - 8.5 LAD
93 - 6.8 LAD
95 - 6.0 LAD
98 - 5.2 NYM
96 - 5.1 LAD

Total
30.7 rWAR LAD - 3017 PA
22.8 rWAR NYM - 3941 PA

So playing somewhere longer vs being better somewhere in a shorter amount of time?

Playing in NYC > everything else. :p

I don't know if the WAR argument is as valid as pro-LA fans want, if his seasons in NY were HoF worthy as well.

Jeffy25
01-02-2013, 07:45 PM
Playing in NYC > everything else. :p

I don't know if the WAR argument is as valid as pro-LA fans want, if his seasons in NY were HoF worthy as well.

I voted New York. I tend to favor where the player spent more time as long as the performances were close.

He spent 50.88% of his career PA with the Mets
38.95% of his career PA with the Dodgers

He produced 40.64% of his career rWAR value with the Mets
He produced 54.72% of his career rWAR value with the Dodgers

It's a reasonable discussion.

Greedy22
01-02-2013, 09:39 PM
Btw jeffy of his 5 beat seasons 98 was the year he was traded so of his 5 best years he spent all 5 in a dodgers uni

He was traded in May, he spent the majority of 98 in a Mets uniform.

Greenmonster24
01-02-2013, 10:20 PM
I think a Marlin he should go in as

rkelly7
01-02-2013, 10:34 PM
probably a suit since his press conference will be on national tv.

CubsFanBudMan74
01-03-2013, 11:22 PM
mets

thawv
01-04-2013, 01:47 PM
If Piazza gets in, then all the roids guys should get in.

And I think he should wear this hat..http://www.cafepress.com/+i_love_heart_steroids_trucker_hat,232178398

ciaban
01-04-2013, 02:02 PM
He was traded in May, he spent the majority of 98 in a Mets uniform.
i am well aware, i was just saying that if you look at his 5 best seasons he was in a dodger uni at some point.

probably a suit since his press conference will be on national tv.

:rimshot:

NJBASEBALL22
01-04-2013, 02:09 PM
Monster years with LA, but I'd let him choose b/c he did spent a lot of time with the Mets... speaking statistically though, he really was the best offensive catcher in history while w/ LA... he was just "very" good w/ the Mets.

ciaban
01-04-2013, 04:20 PM
Monster years with LA, but I'd let him choose b/c he did spent a lot of time with the Mets... speaking statistically though, he really was the best offensive catcher in history while w/ LA... he was just "very" good w/ the Mets.

he was very good for the first 4 years of his mets tenure, then well wasn't lol,

Wrigheyes4MVP
01-04-2013, 04:33 PM
he was very good for the first 4 years of his mets tenure, then well wasn't lol,

He got older...he is a catcher.

He still played longer and ultimately accumulated more stats as a Met. He also still performed at a HOF level as a Met (in those 4 years or so before his age started to become a factor).

He also had by far his most memorable moments as a Met (World Series appearance, 9/11 Homerun, countless other big hits and big moments that define the memory and legacy of Mike Piazza).

His best years statistically were mostly as a Dodger, so its a good debate...but ultimately he should go in as a Met if you look at the entire picture.

miller74
01-04-2013, 04:46 PM
He should go in as a Marlin though

haha this

Kinglorious
01-04-2013, 05:01 PM
Stats and accolades wise, he was at his best with the Dodgers it seems, but when I think of Mike Piazza I think of the Mets. But that's also because I was a little kid and not watching baseball when he played in LA.

SJ5382
01-04-2013, 05:08 PM
As much as I hate to say it, on paper, I've always felt he should go in as a Dodger. But he wants to go in as a Met, and that should be considered. Especially when it's a close debate.

Mets.

ciaban
01-04-2013, 05:32 PM
He got older...he is a catcher.

He still played longer and ultimately accumulated more stats as a Met. He also still performed at a HOF level as a Met (in those 4 years or so before his age started to become a factor).

He also had by far his most memorable moments as a Met (World Series appearance, 9/11 Homerun, countless other big hits and big moments that define the memory and legacy of Mike Piazza).

His best years statistically were mostly as a Dodger, so its a good debate...but ultimately he should go in as a Met if you look at the entire picture.
i understand but it doesn't make it less true.

and he had a lot of memorable moments for the dodgers, in 93 on the last day of the season he hit 3 home runs vs the giants and knocked them out of the playoffs. Great Times...

Wrigheyes4MVP
01-04-2013, 06:30 PM
i understand but it doesn't make it less true.

and he had a lot of memorable moments for the dodgers, in 93 on the last day of the season he hit 3 home runs vs the giants and knocked them out of the playoffs. Great Times...

Still though, he did accumulate more stats as a Met in terms of volume at the end of the day.

So basically, he was still good enough in those prime years as a Met before he began to decline. In terms of the grand scope of his legacy and his production as a baseball player, just because more of his prime years were as a Dodger doesn't mean he should go in as a Dodger. He was with the Mets longer and still produced long enough at a HOF level to accumulate more volume stats with the Mets.

The memorable moments as a Dodger also don't quite match up with those as a Met...but I think you are fully aware of this.

misterd
01-05-2013, 01:00 AM
I would let him pick.

utl768
01-05-2013, 02:36 AM
obviously the mets

more stats and longer tenure

ciaban
01-05-2013, 07:22 AM
Still though, he did accumulate more stats as a Met in terms of volume at the end of the day.

So basically, he was still good enough in those prime years as a Met before he began to decline. In terms of the grand scope of his legacy and his production as a baseball player, just because more of his prime years were as a Dodger doesn't mean he should go in as a Dodger. He was with the Mets longer and still produced long enough at a HOF level to accumulate more volume stats with the Mets.

The memorable moments as a Dodger also don't quite match up with those as a Met...but I think you are fully aware of this.

Volume? I guess were going quantity over quality here? i have never been a fan of that...

and i think it's easy to say that this memory or that memory was better coming from a bias perspective ie OURS

Though the time that Rodger Clemens threw a bat at him was in a mets uni.

and i think you know that he would have never been able to produce those memorable moments had the dodgers not drafted him in the 62nd round and had Tommy Lasorda not insisted that he could catch he wouldn't be the greatest hitting catcher ever(he came into the draft as a 1b, no one else would have made him Catch but Tommy) none of those things happen without Tommy and the dodgers(including the post 9/11 home run) i think your fully aware of this.

Dugmet
01-05-2013, 07:31 AM
The bragging rights bottom line -- because that is all this thread is about -- to me is which team Piazza prefers. It's the Mets. So, no more sour grapes from L.A. fans, please.


Piazza, who was in Manhattan to receive an award Saturday at the 25th annual Ellis Island Medals of Honor ceremony, will be eligible for the Hall of Fame in 2013. And although Major League Baseball will decide which team’s cap will be on his plaque, Piazza, who played the first seven years of his 16-year career with the Los Angeles Dodgers, said he would want to be inducted as a Met.

“The bulk of my career was with the Mets,” he said, “and after going through the trade, then the drama of 9/11. I’ll never forget my Dodger days. But my time with the Mets is what I’ll remember most about my career.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/09/sports/baseball/09piazza.html?_r=0

ciaban
01-05-2013, 08:13 AM
The bragging rights bottom line -- because that is all this thread is about -- to me is which team Piazza prefers. It's the Mets. So, no more sour grapes from L.A. fans, please.



http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/09/sports/baseball/09piazza.html?_r=0

yeah andre dawson wanted to be a cub and we saw how that went, gary carter the 2nd best mets catcher wanted to go in as a met too, i mean if he does go in with and M on his cap that will be OK, i just hope he doesn't mention the dodgers or thanks them in anyway for making him 100 million dollars because that would be tacky.

Jeffy25
01-05-2013, 10:30 AM
obviously the mets

more stats and longer tenure

He had better stats as a Dodger

Dugmet
01-05-2013, 11:02 AM
yeah andre dawson wanted to be a cub and we saw how that went, gary carter the 2nd best mets catcher wanted to go in as a met too, i mean if he does go in with and M on his cap that will be OK, i just hope he doesn't mention the dodgers or thanks them in anyway for making him 100 million dollars because that would be tacky.

I will repeat myself.

Bottom line is that Piazza wants to go in as a Met, and as far as "bragging rights" are concerned, that is the most relevant thing to me. It outweighs whatever decision is made by the HoF committee -- that Mike sees himself as a Met before he sees himself as a Dodger.

:win:

ciaban
01-05-2013, 12:25 PM
I will repeat myself.

Bottom line is that Piazza wants to go in as a Met, and as far as "bragging rights" are concerned, that is the most relevant thing to me. It outweighs whatever decision is made by the HoF committee -- that Mike sees himself as a Met before he sees himself as a Dodger.

:win:
not really the hat on the plaque is what matters most.

old blue
01-05-2013, 02:20 PM
If not for tommy lasorda we wouldn't be having this conversation

ciaban
01-05-2013, 02:41 PM
If not for tommy lasorda we wouldn't be having this conversation

that's what i'm saying.

5+7=DYNASTY!!!
01-05-2013, 05:01 PM
It sounds dumb and basic but I think the Mets franchise needs this one more than the Dodgers do and I hope the Hall of Fame sees that. I mean when I go to the hall Tom Seaver is the only one I get to see that actually went in as part of my favorite team, and he played far before I was even born.

Wrigheyes4MVP
01-05-2013, 05:19 PM
Mike Piazza's top ten offensive seasons (based on OPS):

1) 1.070 - LAD (1997)
2) 1.012 - NYM (2000)
3) 1.006 - LAD (1995)
4) .985 - LAD (1996)
5) .960 - NYM/LAD/FL (1998)
6) .957 - NYM (2001)
7) .936 - NYM (1999)
8) .932 - LAD (1993)
9) .910 - LAD (1994)
10) .903 - NYM (2002)

In 1998 he spent his season win three teams. Here is the breakdown:

LAD - 37 gp / .826 OPS
FL - 5 gp / .652 OPS
NYM - 109 gp / 1.024 OPS

Clearly, he had most of his production in 1998 as a Met, so I consider that a Mets season for him. His 109 games played for the Mets in 1998 are about just as many games he played in the entire 1994 and 1995 seasons each with the Dodgers.

What point am I trying to make? Well, its simple. The idea that Piazza was easily more productive as a Dodger is a mirage. If you look at his top 10 seasons (1993 - 2002) before he began to decline to a sub .900 OPS player, he was almost equally productive as a Dodger and a Met.

He had a couple more solid seasons as a Met and even one as a Padre before retiring, but if you look at what he did before his age started to become a factor, his stats as a Dodger and a Met are extremely close.

The entire argument on the Dodgers behalf is that his best seasons were in LA. However, as shown above, his top 5 Mets seasons were extremely close and right on par with his top 5 Dodgers seasons (his only 5 Dodgers seasons, not counting the irrelevancy of 1992 and 1998).

In the end, I maintain that with his actual performance being so close with each uniform, that it must come down to three things - Memorable, legacy creating moments, team oriented success, and duration of years playing for the organization.

Mets hold the advantage in all three of those areas.

I rest my case.

Rush
01-05-2013, 06:04 PM
But he had his best production with the Dodgers.

1993- .401 wOBA, 150 wRC+, 7.6 WAR

1994- .384 wOBA, 139 wRC+, 3.9 WAR

1995- .427 wOBA, 168 wRC+, 6.0 WAR

1996- .416 wOBA, 165 wRC+, 6.6 WAR

1997- .452 wOBA, 183 wRC+, 9.4 WAR

1998 39 games w/ Dodgers- .347 wOBA, 115 wRC+, 1.0 WAR
1998 109 games w/ Dodgers- .432 wOBA, 168 wRC+, 5.9 WAR

1999- .390 wOBA, 131 wRC+, 4.8 WAR

2000- .423 wOBA, 153 wRC+, 6.0 WAR

2001- .395 wOBA, 143 wRC+, 5.0 WAR

2002- .381 wOBA, 136 wRC+, 4.0 WAR

2003- .370 wOBA, 126 wRC+, 2.1 WAR

2004- .334 wOBA, 108 wRC+, 1.1 WAR

2005- .334 wOBA, 103 wRC+, 1.3 WAR

metswon69
01-05-2013, 06:09 PM
This is another blue in the face argument.

Piazza's sentiments is he wants to go in as a Met and the HOF tends to put the player in based on a team's representation or lack thereof in the Hall (The Mets having only 1 representative as a player)

The latter would suggest he goes in as a Met.

Even the PSD poll suggests his time was more memorable as a Met (as insignificant as that may seem i am pretty sure HOF voters lean that way too)

Rush
01-05-2013, 07:01 PM
And just so people aren't confused if there are any, I'm a supporter of him going in as a Met.

Jeffy25
01-06-2013, 04:43 PM
Mike Piazza's top ten offensive seasons (based on OPS):

1) 1.070 - LAD (1997)
2) 1.012 - NYM (2000)
3) 1.006 - LAD (1995)
4) .985 - LAD (1996)
5) .960 - NYM/LAD/FL (1998)
6) .957 - NYM (2001)
7) .936 - NYM (1999)
8) .932 - LAD (1993)
9) .910 - LAD (1994)
10) .903 - NYM (2002)

In 1998 he spent his season win three teams. Here is the breakdown:

LAD - 37 gp / .826 OPS
FL - 5 gp / .652 OPS
NYM - 109 gp / 1.024 OPS

Clearly, he had most of his production in 1998 as a Met, so I consider that a Mets season for him. His 109 games played for the Mets in 1998 are about just as many games he played in the entire 1994 and 1995 seasons each with the Dodgers.

What point am I trying to make? Well, its simple. The idea that Piazza was easily more productive as a Dodger is a mirage. If you look at his top 10 seasons (1993 - 2002) before he began to decline to a sub .900 OPS player, he was almost equally productive as a Dodger and a Met.

He had a couple more solid seasons as a Met and even one as a Padre before retiring, but if you look at what he did before his age started to become a factor, his stats as a Dodger and a Met are extremely close.

The entire argument on the Dodgers behalf is that his best seasons were in LA. However, as shown above, his top 5 Mets seasons were extremely close and right on par with his top 5 Dodgers seasons (his only 5 Dodgers seasons, not counting the irrelevancy of 1992 and 1998).

In the end, I maintain that with his actual performance being so close with each uniform, that it must come down to three things - Memorable, legacy creating moments, team oriented success, and duration of years playing for the organization.

Mets hold the advantage in all three of those areas.

I rest my case.



Piazza career

NYM - .296/.373/.542 - 136 OPS+, 22.8 rWAR
LAD - .331/.394./572 - 160 OPS+, 30.7 rWAR

He was better as a Dodger, there is no denying it. He spent more time with the Mets and produced less there.

Jeffy25
01-06-2013, 04:54 PM
Just for the sake of argument.


I support him going in as a Met, I tend to lean toward where the player spent the majority of his time. But I thought this would be a fun exercise, and it proves how much better he was as a Dodger.

If Piazza had spent his entire career producing like he did as a Met, here is what his stats would look like
7745 PA
.296/.373/.542, 136 OPS+, 42.9 rWAR
414 home runs, 1231 RBI, 3544 Total Bases
-4.0 dWAR, 252 RAA
This is not a hall of famer

And what his career would have looked like if he produced like he did with the Dodgers his entire career.
.331/.394/.572, 160 OPS+, 75.5 rWAR
435 home runs, 1385 RBI, 3808 Total Bases
7.38 dWAR, 573 RAA
This is an easy hall of famer


This helps to illustrate how much better he was as a Dodger. He was better as a Dodger, but spent more time as a Met. I assume he'll go in as a Met not a Dodger. But he was better as a Dodger.

Claymation
01-07-2013, 03:58 PM
Piazza career

NYM - .296/.373/.542 - 136 OPS+, 22.8 rWAR
LAD - .331/.394./572 - 160 OPS+, 30.7 rWAR

He was better as a Dodger, there is no denying it. He spent more time with the Mets and produced less there.

Dude seriously? That's your argument.
4 of the 8 was after his prime. Baseball careers aren't a linear graph.

His oWAR is 31.6 for the Dodgers and 29.1 for the Mets.

Let me ask you something, how can he have a positive defensive WAR (3.0) when he had 54 PB in 7 years with the Dodgers, with 200 Wild Pitches, while having a negative defensive WAR (-2.1) with the Mets with 15 less PB and 171 Wild Pitches?

What are some Mike's memorable moments as a Dodger? Just wondering.

Jeffy25
01-07-2013, 04:41 PM
Dude seriously? That's your argument.
4 of the 8 was after his prime. Baseball careers aren't a linear graph.

His oWAR is 31.6 for the Dodgers and 29.1 for the Mets.

Let me ask you something, how can he have a positive defensive WAR (3.0) when he had 54 PB in 7 years with the Dodgers, with 200 Wild Pitches, while having a negative defensive WAR (-2.1) with the Mets with 15 less PB and 171 Wild Pitches?

What are some Mike's memorable moments as a Dodger? Just wondering.

Well he wasn't given the same post-season possibilities as a Dodger, but that rookie season was amazing.

He was certainly better with the Dodgers. And his dWAR is in large part to do with all the base running.

And yes, he declined with the Mets. But that's certainly part of it. You want to know who he was better with, the reason doesn't matter. It's who he was better with.

Don't like dWAR.

Then how about fWAR which uses UZR.

Dodgers - 41.5 fWAR
Mets - 30.2 fWAR

He was clearly better with the Dodgers, it's not just his defense. He was such a better hitter with the Dodgers that his value was so much higher.

Runs Created
Dodgers - 690 - 3017 PA
Mets - 669 - 3941 PA



WARP
Dodgers - 34.1
Mets - 30.5

No matter how you slice it, he was better as a Dodger, and in less time.

I still say Mets because of time spent, but he was clearly better as a Dodger.

ciaban
01-07-2013, 05:17 PM
I think the big moment argument is weird, and obviously his ones as a met are going to be more memorable because they were the most recent.

STL Don
01-09-2013, 05:05 PM
As great as he was as a Dodger, he became the entire FACE of the New York Mets organization. In today's world, similar in equivalent to Jeremy Lin with the Knicks last year, in terms of there emergence and vastly growing popularity

ciaban
01-09-2013, 06:43 PM
Well since no one got in I guess it doesn't matter now

metswon69
01-09-2013, 10:51 PM
Well since no one got in I guess it doesn't matter now

He'll just go in as a Met in 2014 :D

ciaban
01-10-2013, 12:07 AM
He'll just go in as a Met in 2014 :D

He will go in as a dodger is 2020

metswon69
01-10-2013, 12:11 AM
He will go in as a dodger is 2020

Fine no later than 2015 as a Met..

scaramantula
01-10-2013, 12:51 AM
I think he goes in as a Yankee just for the hell of it

goddamn it you stole my joke lol, :cry:

oh well, he should have a jays cap in the hall,
see wasnt that funny?

shut up yes it was

weeman323
01-10-2013, 01:01 AM
¿Porqué no los dos? (http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/638/77b/9cd/resized/taco-girl-meme-generator-por-que-no-los-dos-3c68df.png?1348504733.jpg)

kmo429
01-10-2013, 05:30 PM
On of the biggest subs in 1st ballot history. Best hitting catcher of all time cant get in? Idk who can

Nomar
01-10-2013, 08:17 PM
Biggio was a bigger snub

MetsFanatic19
01-10-2013, 08:21 PM
Biggio was a bigger snub

One season with 200+ hits, 1/5 of his season's he had a .300+ average (4 out of 20), and a .281 career BA. For someone who didn't hit a bunch of homeruns or play stellar defense, he's not better than Piazza. I believe both belong, though.

will_87
01-11-2013, 12:08 PM
Mets.

MHoover101709
01-16-2013, 12:45 AM
Id have to say the Mets, when I think of Mike I think Mets.

ciaban
01-16-2013, 07:31 AM
Fine no later than 2015 as a Met..

I fell more like 2016 but i can meet you at 2015, though hopefully sooner.

Dugmet
01-16-2013, 08:44 AM
Biggio was a bigger snub

A c c u m u l a t o r.

Not a 1st ballot HoFer. Yes. A first year election should be saved for the elite of the elite -- imo. I like the extra honor attached to it, and don't see it as a snub to the others.

6cadi6
01-16-2013, 09:33 PM
Marlins, duh.