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#1 Romo fan
11-27-2012, 05:36 PM
25 Games!

:speechless:

Rush
11-27-2012, 05:38 PM
Link?

SpecialFNK
11-27-2012, 05:38 PM
MLB ‏@MLB

BREAKING: @Phillies catcher Carlos Ruiz suspended 25 games without pay after testing positive for an Amphetamine.

I don't know much about Amphetamines myself.

Dark Donnie
11-27-2012, 05:39 PM
25 games?

BKdoubleStacker
11-27-2012, 05:40 PM
could be some legal over the counter supplements or adderal

BrianWestKins
11-27-2012, 05:40 PM
So that explains the power spike

metswon69
11-27-2012, 05:41 PM
Wow....

Well the guy was coming off a career year offensively..

Dark Donnie
11-27-2012, 05:43 PM
25 games sounds less serious...thought it was 50 automatically?

CityofTreez
11-27-2012, 05:43 PM
No wonder he raked the ball last year!!!

Chooch!!!!!

SpecialFNK
11-27-2012, 05:44 PM
wikipedia for Amphetamines.


Amphetamine (USAN, abbreviated from alpha-methylphenethylamine), α-methylphenethylamine, or amfetamine (INN) is a psychostimulant drug of the phenethylamine class that produces increased wakefulness and focus in association with decreased fatigue and appetite.

Brand names of medications that contain, or metabolize into, amphetamine, include Adderall, Dexedrine, Dextroamphet, Dextrostat, Desoxyn,[2] Didrex, ProCentra, and Vyvanse, as well as Benzedrine or Psychedrine in the past.

The drug is also used recreationally and as a performance enhancer.

BKdoubleStacker
11-27-2012, 05:44 PM
yea amphetamines arent the same as steroids...

ATL#22
11-27-2012, 05:44 PM
Yeah I thought 50 was the minimum?

metswon69
11-27-2012, 05:44 PM
25 games sounds less serious...thought it was 50 automatically?

I think amphetamines aren't as severe a suspension as PEDS.

metswon69
11-27-2012, 05:45 PM
Yeah I thought 50 was the minimum?

Yeah first offense for amphetamines is 25 games.

metsbulls1025
11-27-2012, 05:47 PM
Bunch a cheaters down there. Take their World Series away and give the organization a 3 year ban from the playoffs.

Jamiecballer
11-27-2012, 05:49 PM
I don't know much about Amphetamines myself.

theyyyyyyyyy're greeeat!

VRP723
11-27-2012, 05:49 PM
Lol

Dark Donnie
11-27-2012, 05:50 PM
Bunch a cheaters down there. Take their World Series away and give the organization a 3 year ban from the playoffs.

:laugh2:

SpecialFNK
11-27-2012, 05:51 PM
I didn't know what Chooch was. I thought it was some type of connection with the nicknames for those 2 weed guys Cheech and Chong. yeah man.

Skippy15
11-27-2012, 05:54 PM
Damn. Not as serious as PEDs like road IMO but a serious issue in sports

cubbiefan_est88
11-27-2012, 05:55 PM
Just like the players from the 30s 40s 50s and 60s lol

Jeffy25
11-27-2012, 05:57 PM
y 25 games?

metswon69
11-27-2012, 05:59 PM
y 25 games?

I think the second offense for amphetamines is 25 games?

Ryan Adams of the Orioles was given the same length of suspension for amphetamines earlier this month.

ManningToTyree
11-27-2012, 06:02 PM
this is becoming a big issue in pro sports. Lots of suspensions for Adderall in the NFL this season as well.

Yagyu+
11-27-2012, 06:02 PM
Supposedly it was Adderall (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/181052711.html).

metsbulls1025
11-27-2012, 06:03 PM
I didn't know what Chooch was. I thought it was some type of connection with the nicknames for those 2 weed guys Cheech and Chong. yeah man.

Chooch is what comes out of your *** after eating a Philly Cheese Steak.

LAFord
11-27-2012, 06:07 PM
HaHa another one bites the dust!

-Lavigne43-
11-27-2012, 06:08 PM
Yeah first offense for amphetamines is 25 games.

First offense is a warning. Second offense is a 25 game suspension.

metswon69
11-27-2012, 06:09 PM
First offense is a warning. Second offense is a 25 game suspension.

Yeah i changed it in my other post.

metswon69
11-27-2012, 06:10 PM
So that's the second time Ruiz has been busted for amphetamines...

Tisk Tisk Chooch!! :pity:

Kelly Gruber
11-27-2012, 06:11 PM
Supposedly it was Adderall (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/181052711.html).

Of course it was...

rockbottom2010
11-27-2012, 06:12 PM
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8683788/carlos-ruiz-philadelphia-phillies-suspended-25-games-positive-test

keymax
11-27-2012, 06:23 PM
Of course it was...

Mlb actually names the substance. It is not the same as in football where all guys blame their steroid test on crushed adderall in a water bottle.

Shlumpledink
11-27-2012, 06:24 PM
Baseball has a long history of amphetamine use. It really helps fight exhausting through the gauntlet of a season.

KingPosey
11-27-2012, 06:38 PM
yea amphetamines arent the same as steroids...

They still can aid in performance enhancing, and they help the moment you take them.

KingPosey
11-27-2012, 06:41 PM
Why don't these guys just get it prescribed? Torres was prescribed it and had a career year with the Giants

KingPosey
11-27-2012, 06:44 PM
yea amphetamines arent the same as steroids...


Mlb actually names the substance. It is not the same as in football where all guys blame their steroid test on crushed adderall in a water bottle.

I'm pretty sure he blamed his positive test for adderall on adderall in his water, not anythig to do with steroids

keymax
11-27-2012, 06:54 PM
I'm pretty sure he blamed his positive test for adderall on adderall in his water, not anythig to do with steroids

The nfl doesn't give out information about the substance. Everybody just says it's adderall because it seems less severe. I would bet my house that almost everybody that got busted didn't really test positive for adderall. I mean what are the odds? The nfl has a serious steroid problem.

But I don't want to hijack this thread and turn it into a nfl drug policy discussion.

Bravo95
11-27-2012, 06:58 PM
Lifetime ban for him, Utley and Hamels. Get it done, Selig.

dodgersuck
11-27-2012, 07:04 PM
Lol nice. Chooch is a douche

Illa215
11-27-2012, 07:06 PM
Lol nice. Chooch is a douche

:confused:

Seeing as you're a Giants fan, I advise you to stay out of every possible thread relating to PED's. ;)

Greedy22
11-27-2012, 07:15 PM
That sucks, always been a fan of Ruiz.

Lakers + Giants
11-27-2012, 08:06 PM
and that's why posey started the AS game, *****es.

Scully in 2012
11-27-2012, 08:15 PM
:confused:

Seeing as you're a Giants fan, I advise you to stay out of every possible thread relating to PED's. ;)

:laugh::laugh:

NYMETS2889
11-27-2012, 08:16 PM
and that's why posey started the AS game, *****es.

and melky won all star game MVP? :facepalm:

More-Than-Most
11-27-2012, 08:31 PM
I am ok with this for 2 reasons...Its makes that Giants trade all the better and this promises we will not sign him to a stupid ****ing deal like only Amaro would.

Lakers + Giants
11-27-2012, 08:36 PM
and melky won all star game MVP? :facepalm:

well deserved, well he was 2nd best that night behind Panda but still. :shrug:

sacgiants1213
11-27-2012, 10:04 PM
Say it aint so, Chooch!

WoodandNails
11-28-2012, 12:20 AM
and that's why posey started the AS game, *****es.

Buster's four years removed from popping amphetamines to get him through Econ 101 at FSU.

ESaady
11-28-2012, 01:31 AM
Aww Chooch! I actually like him :(

Super.
11-28-2012, 02:49 AM
I would think it would be Adderall.

Strange so many athletes getting busted for it.

Pinstripe pride
11-28-2012, 10:06 AM
and the eagles rock bottom is spillinng over into baseball

Havoc Wreaker
11-28-2012, 11:28 AM
Ugh Cheater

TheIlladelph16
11-28-2012, 03:03 PM
I'm just happy its not steroids/HGH. I still heart Chooch regardless.

dodgersuck
11-28-2012, 03:26 PM
:confused:

Seeing as you're a Giants fan, I advise you to stay out of every possible thread relating to PED's. ;)

This thread relates to amphetamines and I don't support Melky or Bonds...

HowFit
11-28-2012, 07:03 PM
Cheater...

Rush
11-28-2012, 07:50 PM
Cheater cheater pumpkin eater!

bklynny67
11-29-2012, 03:32 AM
Now it makes sense. Dude was a terrible hitter until last yr. Just like Melky.

Rush
11-29-2012, 03:36 AM
Now it makes sense. Dude was a terrible hitter until last yr. Just like Melky.

Ruiz wasn't a terrible hitter before 2012. He just was never a great hitter like last season.

2007: .259/.340/.396 .318 wOBA
2008: .219/.320/.300 .282 wOBA
2009: .255/.355/.425 .338 wOBA
2010: .302/.400/.447 .368 wOBA
2011: .282/.371/.383 .333 wOBA

Only 2008 was a bad year.

rcs15
11-29-2012, 03:57 AM
I would think it would be Adderall.

Strange so many athletes getting busted for it.

Well, the NFL athletes don't count. That's what they 'say' they got busted for, whether it's true is anyones guess.

sixer04fan
11-29-2012, 06:05 PM
I'm sorry that I used the word "losers" in this thread. Apparently that's a harmful enough "insult" to warrant deleting my post, even though I didn't even direct it towards anyone specifically.

It will never happen again. I'm so ashamed. And I sincerely apologize. I hope you all can forgive me.

Rush
11-29-2012, 06:16 PM
I'm sorry that I used the word "losers" in this thread. Apparently that's a harmful enough "insult" to warrant deleting my post, even though I didn't even direct it towards anyone specifically.

It will never happen again. I'm so ashamed. And I sincerely apologize. I hope you all can forgive me.

It doesn't matter if you didn't direct at someone specifically. You directed an insult to those who were opposed to Ruiz using it since it's considered a PED. If you don't want your precious posts deleted don't use insults. Pretty simple.

Oh yes, and apology accepted. Good to know you're learning from your mistakes.

The Ooh Child
11-30-2012, 01:03 PM
Cheater cheater pumpkin eater!

woah, way to jump to conclusions pal. maybe chooch is just a party animal. did you ever think about that?

thawv
11-30-2012, 01:32 PM
And yet, MLB releases another irreverent face to the public, giving the illusion that they're cleaning up the game. Well played MLB........ the sheep will believe.

bringbackfredex
11-30-2012, 02:06 PM
Love how misinformed this thread is, adderall is a pill to help ADD and ADHD patients focus, and these days the use of it is pretty common for regular people as well. It's not steroids or PED's that were dealing with here people so stop acting like this effected his physical talents. I wouldn't even consider him a "cheater", although it did give him a mental advantage which is why I agree with the suspension. The less severe 25 games compared to the normal 50 games is appropriate.

Rush
11-30-2012, 02:11 PM
woah, way to jump to conclusions pal. maybe chooch is just a party animal. did you ever think about that?

No...you're right :sad2:

Infamous916
11-30-2012, 02:41 PM
woah, way to jump to conclusions pal. maybe chooch is just a party animal. did you ever think about that?
I'd rage it up with Chooch if given the opportunity.

Teufelshunde4
11-30-2012, 09:58 PM
Love how misinformed this thread is, adderall is a pill to help ADD and ADHD patients focus, and these days the use of it is pretty common for regular people as well. It's not steroids or PED's that were dealing with here people so stop acting like this effected his physical talents. I wouldn't even consider him a "cheater", although it did give him a mental advantage which is why I agree with the suspension. The less severe 25 games compared to the normal 50 games is appropriate.

I dont know about mental advantage lol Maybe a pick me up if very fatigued..
From what I have seen personally if you dont have ADD or ADHD it can really act like speed for the taker.. Its a shame about Chooch I really like the player never would have thought he would fail a test... Life moves on though...

KingPosey
12-01-2012, 04:56 AM
Love how misinformed this thread is, adderall is a pill to help ADD and ADHD patients focus, and these days the use of it is pretty common for regular people as well. It's not steroids or PED's that were dealing with here people so stop acting like this effected his physical talents. I wouldn't even consider him a "cheater", although it did give him a mental advantage which is why I agree with the suspension. The less severe 25 games compared to the normal 50 games is appropriate.

Well it is a stimulant that very much could give someone an advantage, I think if anything YOU are misinformed about hgh and steroids if you don't see the parallels in WHY they COULD be considered cheating.

I personally don't care, but you can't split hairs. Trying to gain an advantage is cheating if you are against one ou can't let it slide. I still don't get why guys dot just get it prescribed like Andres Torres.

Halladay
12-01-2012, 06:46 AM
And yet, MLB releases another irreverent face to the public, giving the illusion that they're cleaning up the game. Well played MLB........ the sheep will believe.

Melky Cabrera was on his way to getting MVP votes or are you just choosing to ignore that?

thawv
12-01-2012, 08:28 AM
Melky Cabrera was on his way to getting MVP votes or are you just choosing to ignore that?

Melky is in no way, shape or form one of the "faces of the game." Not choosing to ignore it at all. He's an average player, who was having a juiced up season. Simple as that.

Halladay
12-01-2012, 08:37 AM
Melky is in no way, shape or form one of the "faces of the game." Not choosing to ignore it at all. He's an average player, who was having a juiced up season. Simple as that.

Best part about this post? you have absolutely nothing to back it up with.

thawv
12-01-2012, 12:19 PM
Best part about this post? you have absolutely nothing to back it up with.

Ok, I'll look it up for you. This is his average year before 2012. These numbers even include 2011, which if you look closely at the numbers, he started his PED's mid season of his contract year. For obvious reasons.......contract year. These are just basic stats.

1) Ave .273/ HR 9/ RBI 60/ OBP .330/ SLG .394/ OPS .724

2) He got caught using, and admited to using.

Maybe we're looking at two different ideas of average and good. But to me, these numbers seem average at best