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sacgiants1213
11-26-2012, 12:20 AM
Who's better? Who would you rather have on your team going forward?

CHRISDODGERS
11-26-2012, 01:30 AM
toss up. their stats to the last 3-4 yrs are really close. Cain's a year younger. if Greinke's home park was AT&T he might have had better outcomes. idk. Greinke because he might become a Dodgers :)

SenorGato
11-26-2012, 02:07 AM
Greinke. Cain is very conveniently located, for his skillset which makes him more stable. On pure talent and who can blow up and have a string of great seasons - Greinke.

todu82
11-26-2012, 07:42 PM
Close but Greinke.

d79cheese
11-27-2012, 01:21 AM
toss up. their stats to the last 3-4 yrs are really close. Cain's a year younger. if Greinke's home park was AT&T he might have had better outcomes. idk. Greinke because he might become a Dodgers :)

That's why Matt Cain's career HR/9 and HR/FB% on the road is lower then Greinke's overal career :cool:

Considering it is a "toss up" statistically over the last 3-4 years is actually a decisive advantage to Cain, seeing that 2009 is a PED to Greinke's back of the baseball card.

Gimme the pitcher that has pitched 200+ innings for 6 straight years. All while increasing strikeouts and decreasing walks over the past 4 seasons and continuing to induce some of the weakest contact in baseball.

I like Greinke, and think he is a real good pitcher. His periphals always look really good (high k's/low walks). When you start compaing pitchers over long periods of time (which this thread is asking) then you can def. bring in metrics like ERA and BAA. Even with Greinke's unrepeatable 2009 ERA+ of 205, Cain holds a decisive career edge of 124 to 114. It is not a coincidence when pitchers go on 4+ seasons of either underperforming (Greinke) or overperforming (Cain) to their FIP/xFIP numbers.

Cain continues to be the most undervalued top pitcher in the league. He's incredibly durable, doesn't give up hits, barely allows any baserunners (compared to the league average), consistently strands runners when they do get on. Oh, and he is still only 28 with a perfect game on the resume and was a key piece in 2 championships.

dskjfd
11-29-2012, 01:48 AM
Greinke. Cain is very conveniently located, for his skillset which makes him more stable. On pure talent and who can blow up and have a string of great seasons - Greinke.

Greinke is talented but I can't ignore the mental part of his game. Probably has better stuff than Cain, but I prefer the stoic dependability of Matt Cain.

Jeffy25
11-29-2012, 12:23 PM
I'd rather have Greinke. But Cain is no slouch, and I wouldn't really argue with someone that picked the weak contact king

VRP723
11-29-2012, 02:14 PM
I'd take Cain. But I think they're both second tier aces.

LASportsFan1996
11-30-2012, 12:04 AM
toss up. their stats to the last 3-4 yrs are really close. Cain's a year younger. if Greinke's home park was AT&T he might have had better outcomes. idk. Greinke because he might become a Dodgers :)

This :clap::clap:

Scully in 2012
11-30-2012, 12:49 AM
If they were both Free Agents and we had the option?

Sign both....cuz we have the $$



It is truly very close. I think Cain has been and remains to be one of the most underrated and unappreciated pitchers in the game.

Gandalf
12-01-2012, 12:48 PM
I'm going with Cain younger more experienced in the post season and just a better all around pitcher.

Greedy22
12-02-2012, 04:05 AM
I'd go with Cain, but both are great.

jmkh
12-02-2012, 03:52 PM
I'm going with Cain younger more experienced in the post season and just a better all around pitcher.

I agree with the first part but not so sure about second part. They are both great all around pitcher

Pinstripe pride
12-04-2012, 04:24 PM
cain

giants73756
12-05-2012, 05:23 AM
I'd rather have Greinke. But Cain is no slouch, and I wouldn't really argue with someone that picked the weak contact king

Is there a statistic that shows average velocity of the ball off the bat for pitchers? Because that would be cool if there was.

ATL#22
12-14-2012, 12:17 PM
Matt Cain

BayArea91
12-17-2012, 02:02 AM
Cain is consistent. Greinke might be a tougher guy, by the slight of God.

Some guys in this world, its tough you know?

Bleedinblueball
12-17-2012, 08:05 PM
cain is a beast and has good peripherals at just about every stadium while I think grinke will flourish at chavez cain might take this one........for now

kyubi256
12-18-2012, 12:04 AM
Matt Cain. Give me the guy who owned in the playoffs

leftymo
12-22-2012, 02:28 PM
I'm not sure why Giants pitchers don't get the praise they deserve. I'm guessing Lincecum's 2 Cy Young's overshadow how dominant this staff really is.


The Giants in 2009, 2010, and 2011 finished #1 or #2 in all of MLB in pitching. Last year they fell off a bit b/c of Tim's struggles.

Matt Cain went the ENTIRE post-season in 2010 as a starter and yielded 0 ER!

This year he was the allstar starter, pitched a perfect game, was the ace of the staff, and was the winning pitcher in the clinching DS, NLCS, and the game 4 starter in the WS.

He's beaten Verlander when it doesn't matter, and Hamels when it does.

This isn't close. It's Matt Cain, and most GM's in baseball would agree.

This is almost like Bumgarner vs. Moore... what a joke.

There's a reason why the giants keep winning world series... and why others are picking against them. They think that the other team have better pitchers. They don't.

Krush
12-25-2012, 04:32 PM
As a Dodger fan I want to say Greinke, but Cain has put better numbers and seems to be getting better.

d79cheese
12-27-2012, 11:56 PM
As a Dodger fan I want to say Greinke, but Cain has put better numbers and seems to be getting better.

this sums up the thread perfectly

ZurEnArrh
12-31-2012, 04:27 PM
I'm basing this on my last years fantasy team - Cain