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eternal slumber
11-25-2012, 09:32 AM
Kemba Walker

DeAndre Jordan

Eric Bledsoe

O.J. Mayo

Chandler Parsons

Omer Asik

Others

Swashcuff
11-25-2012, 09:46 AM
Okay when I think improved played I think of player who's actual game has improved rather than just his #s. Meaning not a player like Harden who's #s have improved but is still every bit as good as he was when he was on the Thunder it was just as a result of extra playing time and being the #1 option you'd see his #s where they're at. Of the players listed I'd go with Chandler Parsons, in terms of homer pick I'd go Jrue Holiday of course and overall I'd probably go with Nic Batum he really has taken the strides early on in this that makes you realize why the Blazers were so high on him. He is certainly earning his contract to start this season.

eternal slumber
11-25-2012, 10:05 AM
Okay when I think improved played I think of player who's actual game has improved rather than just his #s. Meaning not a player like Harden who's #s have improved but is still every bit as good as he was when he was on the Thunder it was just as a result of extra playing time and being the #1 option you'd see his #s where they're at. Of the players listed I'd go with Chandler Parsons, in terms of homer pick I'd go Jrue Holiday of course and overall I'd probably go with Nic Batum he really has taken the strides early on in this that makes you realize why the Blazers were so high on him. He is certainly earning his contract to start this season.

Batum really has been ballin. i think him and Mayo have finally beginning to live up with their potential.

Asik on the other hand has been given the chance to be a starter and sees how good he really could be.

eddyv7
11-25-2012, 10:12 AM
mayo is going to have a bright future in Dallas after dirk retires mayo can be come a future all-star

Gagan136
11-25-2012, 10:16 AM
Jrue holiday

Bazzle
11-25-2012, 10:21 AM
mwp should be on this list 16 ppg last 5 and 14 for the season

Chavacano
11-25-2012, 10:24 AM
Chandler Parsons.

JasonJohnHorn
11-25-2012, 10:36 AM
Where's Mullens and Big Baby?

kobebabe
11-25-2012, 10:53 AM
MWP is among them for sure compared to his last seasons production

Yankeefan213
11-25-2012, 10:57 AM
For the Knicks, I guess I will have to say Melo since most players on the team are 90 years old, or have not really improved from last season. You could also make a case for Felton, but so far this season Melo has been the leader that us Knicks fans have expected since the trade.

king4day
11-25-2012, 11:05 AM
Morris for the Suns. I picked Kemba in the poll.

LTBaByyy
11-25-2012, 11:09 AM
Batum

Mayo

Parsons

Jordan

Walker

In that order

OKC
11-25-2012, 11:11 AM
jamal crawford,oj mayo

Im_in_Mia_bish
11-25-2012, 11:24 AM
mayo and crawford will fall off, i dont see asik falling off.

lol, please
11-25-2012, 01:16 PM
DLee.

alexander_37
11-25-2012, 01:19 PM
Honestly Parsons has been great and all, but he isn't even the most improved player on his own team. Marcus Morris went from being written off as trash last season to being our most valuable 6th man, and probably best 3 point shooter.

xnick5757
11-25-2012, 01:36 PM
Carl Landry has been pretty amazing so far

22.7 PER
.655 TS%
.595 eFG%
.230 WS/48

DeyAce
11-25-2012, 01:38 PM
Omerica. Land of the free home of the brave

alexander_37
11-25-2012, 01:44 PM
Carl Landry has been pretty amazing so far

22.7 PER
.655 TS%
.595 eFG%
.230 WS/48

Love me some Landry, sad he left Houston.

alexander_37
11-25-2012, 01:45 PM
Omerica. Land of the free home of the brave

:laugh2: Land of the missed free throws and home of the brave souls who take him on in the lane.

b@llhog24
11-25-2012, 02:19 PM
Batum, he took a leap in both his counting and his advanced line. I like Dj for this award as well. All that being said, I think Harden wins it.

SACNYY
11-25-2012, 02:20 PM
Mayo

b@llhog24
11-25-2012, 02:23 PM
I don't like the Landry pick because he's been doing this for most of his career


Season Age Tm Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
2007-08 24 HOU NBA 42 711 21.4 .641 .616 15.5 17.3 16.4 5.2 1.3 0.7 8.9 18.8 130 102 2.5 1.2 3.7 .251
2008-09 25 HOU NBA 69 1467 17.7 .634 .575 10.3 16.7 13.6 4.6 0.9 1.5 11.9 18.1 123 104 3.7 2.2 5.9 .193
2009-10 26 TOT NBA 80 2469 19.0 .600 .537 8.5 13.4 10.9 4.6 1.1 1.9 10.8 22.5 117 110 5.8 1.9 7.7 .150
2009-10 26 HOU NBA 52 1415 21.1 .621 .547 9.5 13.8 11.6 5.0 1.0 2.4 11.3 23.8 120 109 4.1 1.3 5.4 .184

Kemba and Omer and OJ to a lesser degree don't rub me as wrong, except most people had high expectations for Mayo anyways.

Blitzbolt
11-25-2012, 02:24 PM
For me so far it has been Mullens.

Blitzbolt
11-25-2012, 02:27 PM
OJ had this type of numbers during his rookie season so IDK if that's call improvement.

b@llhog24
11-25-2012, 02:33 PM
OJ had this type of numbers during his rookie season so IDK if that's call improvement.

Not efficiency wise but, This.

MintBerryCrunch
11-25-2012, 02:42 PM
This is actually really close. Mayo Asik Parsons Bledsoe and Walker have all been stellar.
Gotta give it to Eric Bledsoe though, dude is lights out this year

Litchris12
11-25-2012, 03:10 PM
Greg Monroe

Chronz
11-25-2012, 03:29 PM
Not efficiency wise but, This.

lol that makes a huge difference


OJ had this type of numbers during his rookie season so IDK if that's call improvement.

Not even close

Thunder-Sooner
11-25-2012, 03:49 PM
For my team its been Ibaka... I dont see that much of other teams until they start the sunday showcase on ABC.

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-25-2012, 04:02 PM
Metta he's been a beast this year they says he's been playing his best ball since his Indiana days

b@llhog24
11-25-2012, 04:07 PM
lol that makes a huge difference


Impact wise, sure. All I'm saying is he's put up great counting stats before don't think he'll get much recognition for putting up slightly better per game averages is all.


Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS

2008-09 21 MEM NBA 82 82 38.0 6.9 15.6 .438 1.8 4.6 .384 3.0 3.4 .879 0.7 3.1 3.8 3.2 1.1 0.2 2.8 2.5 18.5
2009-10 22 MEM NBA 82 82 38.0 6.6 14.4 .458 1.7 4.3 .383 2.6 3.2 .809 0.7 3.0 3.8 3.0 1.2 0.2 2.1 2.1 17.5
2012-13 25 DAL NBA 14 14 34.6 7.4 15.0 .490 3.0 5.6 .532 3.8 4.4 .869 0.6 2.6 3.2 2.8 0.6 0.2 2.4 2.4 21.5

Not much of a "difference" there to the average voter.

b@llhog24
11-25-2012, 04:09 PM
Metta he's been a beast this year they says he's been playing his best ball since his Indiana days

He isn't playing better than he was in Indiana so why would he get an award that typically goes to a player who increased their production to levels they have never produced at?

Chronz
11-25-2012, 04:13 PM
Impact wise, sure. All I'm saying is he's put up great counting stats before don't think he'll get much recognition for putting up slightly better per game averages is all.


Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS

2008-09 21 MEM NBA 82 82 38.0 6.9 15.6 .438 1.8 4.6 .384 3.0 3.4 .879 0.7 3.1 3.8 3.2 1.1 0.2 2.8 2.5 18.5
2009-10 22 MEM NBA 82 82 38.0 6.6 14.4 .458 1.7 4.3 .383 2.6 3.2 .809 0.7 3.0 3.8 3.0 1.2 0.2 2.1 2.1 17.5
2012-13 25 DAL NBA 14 14 34.6 7.4 15.0 .490 3.0 5.6 .532 3.8 4.4 .869 0.6 2.6 3.2 2.8 0.6 0.2 2.4 2.4 21.5

Not much of a "difference" there to the average voter.

I always take these threads to ask who is the most improved, not who you think the voters will vote for.

b@llhog24
11-25-2012, 04:15 PM
I always take these threads to ask who is the most improved, not who you think the voters will vote for.

Gotcha.

I am Smart
11-25-2012, 04:15 PM
Asik hasn't improved. He's just getting better stats with more minutes.

BoomDizzle33
11-25-2012, 04:16 PM
I think Mayo always had it in him to be a solid second, possibly number one option. He just was always in a system that didn't feature him.

I would say Kemba Walker is the most improved...Mostly because he was close to being put in the "bust" category if he didn't step up. Parsons is doing good, but somewhat expected.

For Asik...Give him 30 mins, and you'll get 10-15 rebounds avg.

Silent
11-25-2012, 09:52 PM
Harden?

Alayla
11-25-2012, 10:04 PM
I think Mayo always had it in him to be a solid second, possibly number one option. He just was always in a system that didn't feature him.

I would say Kemba Walker is the most improved...Mostly because he was close to being put in the "bust" category if he didn't step up. Parsons is doing good, but somewhat expected.

For Asik...Give him 30 mins, and you'll get 10-15 rebounds avg.

People throw that word out WAY to early in a players career these days.

smith&wesson
11-25-2012, 10:43 PM
the new and improved kobe bryant!!!

KKell2507
11-25-2012, 10:55 PM
Jrue Holiday. 33pts, 13asts, 3reb tonight against the Suns.

13.5pts, 3.3reb, 4.5asts last year to:
18.6pts, 3.9reb, 9.2asts this year.

Seems like an easy choice for most improved to me. Considering hes the main reason why the Sixers are still above .500 without Bynum.

Baller1
11-25-2012, 11:09 PM
Tough to choose between Parsons, Kemba, Batum, and Holiday for me.

Baller1
11-25-2012, 11:11 PM
I went Kemba, but I'm thinking I messed up. Holiday continues to play at an elite level.

tennisoscar1
11-26-2012, 12:31 AM
Jrue Holiday, no doubt.

Tony_Starks
11-26-2012, 12:49 AM
Mayo by a landslide. He's having a career year playing the same amount of minutes and taking the same amount of shots he always does. Most of those other guys are just getting more time and/or more shots......

ChiSox219
11-26-2012, 12:54 AM
Kirk Hinrich

Bruno
11-26-2012, 01:16 AM
without ripping into the numbers- Walker and Batum have been great.

Chill_Will_24
11-26-2012, 02:47 AM
:laugh2: Land of the missed free throws and home of the brave souls who take him on in the lane.

:laugh2: Ingenious

Chill_Will_24
11-26-2012, 02:54 AM
I gotta go with Jrue. The kid has been a beast.

nyyfan4life
11-26-2012, 03:12 AM
Small sample size but one can make an argument for Chandler Parsons playing the best out of any player from last year's draft.

15.5 pts / 7 rebs / 3.5 asts per game with good defense and good shooting percentages (.592 TS%)

Hawkeye15
11-26-2012, 03:22 AM
so early for this crap. Jrue, Omar, and Nic are the answers. Mayo stands no chance, the Mavs high usage player comes back in a few weeks...

JayW_1023
11-26-2012, 05:39 AM
Holiday.

JayW_1023
11-26-2012, 05:41 AM
Jrue Holiday. 33pts, 13asts, 3reb tonight against the Suns.

13.5pts, 3.3reb, 4.5asts last year to:
18.6pts, 3.9reb, 9.2asts this year.

Seems like an easy choice for most improved to me. Considering hes the main reason why the Sixers are still above .500 without Bynum.

Aye, gotcha.

Saddletramp
11-26-2012, 08:32 AM
Parsons is doing good, but somewhat expected.

This wasn't totally expected from Parsons. He was a second rounder last year that out played a lottery college stud and the high flying 3 pointing Chase Budinger. He's really worked on his game and has drastically improved in most areas.

This stuff should be expected from former high picks OJ Mayo and Kemba Walker. All of these guys are just playing up to their known potential after underachieving. And if all you have to do is take a season off to get fat and lazy like Metta World Peace, then more players should do that to win an award.

NYKNYGNYY
11-26-2012, 08:33 AM
I'll just say felton only get to see knicks games but i like what mayo is doing

b@llhog24
11-26-2012, 10:45 AM
Small sample size but one can make an argument for Chandler Parsons playing the best out of any player from last year's draft.

15.5 pts / 7 rebs / 3.5 asts per game with good defense and good shooting percentages (.592 TS%)

Faried, Kemba, Kahwi, and a man by the name of Kyrie Irving all would like to say Hi.

Deezy3
11-26-2012, 05:37 PM
OJ Mayo didnt magically improve, he could've averaged these numbers with Memphis, had we started him at the 2 last season. Dallas is giving him big minutes, and I'm not suprised one bit at his production.

nyyfan4life
11-26-2012, 06:00 PM
Faried, Kemba, Kahwi, and a man by the name of Kyrie Irving all would like to say Hi.

I'm talking about this year. Faried is the only one in this convo. Parsons has outplayed all of the others this season. Kemba's offense is still offensive. Irving still doesn't play defense. Kahwi has been good but not as good as Parsons this season.

Swashcuff
11-26-2012, 09:04 PM
I'm talking about this year. Faried is the only one in this convo. Parsons has outplayed all of the others this season. Kemba's offense is still offensive. Irving still doesn't play defense. Kahwi has been good but not as good as Parsons this season.

Still taking Faried and Irving over Parsons. Irving is quite possibly the best scorer at the PG position in the NBA that can't be overlooked. Maybe if Parsons was an absolute lock you down anchor your D type defensive player he'd get the nod over Kyrie but as of right now Kyrie is knocking on the All NBA teams door Parsons well he's parked on the street looking over at him.

Swashcuff
11-26-2012, 09:08 PM
OJ Mayo didnt magically improve, he could've averaged these numbers with Memphis, had we started him at the 2 last season. Dallas is giving him big minutes, and I'm not suprised one bit at his production.

Not with that starting line up.

Huntey
11-27-2012, 09:42 AM
Harden
Holiday
Dragic

JayW_1023
11-27-2012, 09:52 AM
Still taking Faried and Irving over Parsons. Irving is quite possibly the best scorer at the PG position in the NBA that can't be overlooked. Maybe if Parsons was an absolute lock you down anchor your D type defensive player he'd get the nod over Kyrie but as of right now Kyrie is knocking on the All NBA teams door Parsons well he's parked on the street looking over at him.

Holiday is better than Kyrie right now.

Swashcuff
11-27-2012, 10:03 AM
Holiday is better than Kyrie right now.

Yeaahhhh Na. I've watch both of them play the offense comes way more easier for Kyrie, Jrue despite his poise isn't nearly as skiled effective or efficient offensively or in running an offense as Kyrie is. The kicker for Jrue is his D the one area in Kyrie's game where he's lacking. That's however doesn't make Kyrie inferior to Jrue. It's like comparing Iggy to Melo in all honesty. Iggy is the better all round player, that doesn't mean however that he's a better player than Melo is.

mightybosstone
11-27-2012, 11:09 AM
There's so many guys who are worthy of this award this season, but I think a thread like this makes a little more sense with a larger sample size. We should do this midway through the season and see whose numbers have proven true and whose game deteriorated over time.

But I do think Batum, Walker, Parsons and Holiday have all taken huge steps forward. Mayo has too, but I'm more reluctant to pick him, because I still think his numbers will come down to earth sooner rather than later. No one averages 53% shooting from 3-pointers, and once that number goes down, so will his scoring and efficiency. Asik is another decent option, but he has had so many awful games offensively that take away from the really good games he's had.

KingsPhillies
11-27-2012, 11:30 AM
I was tempted to pick Asik, but had to pick "other" since Jrue Holiday really deserves more credit than he's getting. He's improved in nearly every statistical category so far this year. The only knock is that his turnovers are up...but he's doubled his assists, so that makes some sense. If he can cut down a bit on giving the ball away, then the award is his to lose. Asik never really got many minutes until this season, so of course there is going to be a stark contrast in his stats from last year. That being said, he has definitely stepped up and proved he was ready to be in the starting rotation. I'm really not surprised by Asik's rebounding numbers, it's the fact that he's averaging double figures in points that I didn't expect. But Omer, like Holiday, needs to try and cut down on turnovers.

Watch out for Brandon Knight too...he looks like he's starting to shoot the ball well, and has been putting up some pretty decent numbers in other categories as well. He wouldn't get my vote at the moment, but I think he will improve more as the season progresses.

bucketss
11-27-2012, 11:33 AM
the Compton kid.

b@llhog24
11-28-2012, 01:01 AM
I'm talking about this year. Faried is the only one in this convo. Parsons has outplayed all of the others this season. Kemba's offense is still offensive. Irving still doesn't play defense. Kahwi has been good but not as good as Parsons this season.

A healthy Kyrie Irving looked like a top 10 player indiviually, Parsons ain't sniffing that type of air.

thechom80
11-28-2012, 05:14 AM
your dad is more improve

Thanks for your input.

#Shumpert Up
11-28-2012, 01:25 PM
Changed my mind: Jrue Holiday