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grandsalami
11-24-2012, 11:45 PM
http://www.deadline.com/2012/11/exclusive-fox-closing-deal-for-dodgers-tv-rights-paying-new-owner-6b-7b-for-25-years-were-out-if-not-done-by-nov-30/#utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

:speechless::speechless::speechless::speechless:

chicagocubsfan
11-24-2012, 11:48 PM
Reported: Josh Hamilton gets a 20 year, 650 million dollar deal.

More-Than-Most
11-25-2012, 12:01 AM
Edited out- Did not realize it was that high annually

THINKBLUE15
11-25-2012, 12:02 AM
Fudge. I hate FOX's RSNs. So cheaply produced and crap coverage. They would get so much more from Time Warner.

More-Than-Most
11-25-2012, 12:05 AM
Phillies will break this in the near future.

THINKBLUE15
11-25-2012, 12:09 AM
This new deal soars to $280 million per season (the average for the life of the contract).
from the article

THINKBLUE15
11-25-2012, 12:11 AM
Phillies will break this in the near future.

And the next team might break that. These deals are gonna only go higher.

calibird707
11-25-2012, 12:18 AM
Dodgers blow

Fly
11-25-2012, 12:22 AM
damn

CHRISDODGERS
11-25-2012, 01:29 AM
I want a Dodgers network :(

MetsFanatic19
11-25-2012, 01:41 AM
That's a whole lot of monies.

dodgerdave
11-25-2012, 01:45 AM
**** Fox. I don't want our franchise associated with this P.O.S. network anymore. They already did us a disservice by sloppily running our franchise when they owned us and infuriated us when they tried to underhand Frank McCourt a bogus below-market TV deal.

SenorGato
11-25-2012, 01:46 AM
FOX taking on too much payroll here. Destined to lose, their whole future is being put on the line. Surely they could have made a dozen lesser moves that, with some luck, might equal this one in relevance.

Nymfan87
11-25-2012, 01:49 AM
I'm surprised the Dodgers didn't make their own network. $280 billion looks great right now, but network revenue can grow and as far as I know, this can't.

THINKBLUE15
11-25-2012, 02:03 AM
Signing on with an RSN is perfectly fine, and a sure thing. Don't need to start a network. But it's a great option to have.

The only thing I don't like is that it's with FSN. It's crappy programming. Plain and simple. They'd get a way better deal from Time Warner.

dodgerdave
11-25-2012, 02:11 AM
**** Fox. I don't want our franchise associated with this P.O.S. network anymore. They already did us a disservice by sloppily running our franchise when they owned us and infuriated us when they tried to underhand Frank McCourt a bogus below-market TV deal.

And these same sleazebags at FOX/News Corp. also butchered the MySpace social networking site. The place became a ghost town and they eventually sold it off to Justin Timberlake at a very tiny cost for what they originally invested in.

FOX = FAIL

metswon69
11-25-2012, 02:14 AM
Signing on with an RSN is perfectly fine, and a sure thing. Don't need to start a network. But it's a great option to have.

The only thing I don't like is that it's with FSN. It's crappy programming. Plain and simple. They'd get a way better deal from Time Warner.

It depends on where tv markets are 10-20 years from now.

YES earns the Yankees over 200 million a year and they have room for growth being their own network.

The Dodgers could have possibly made more money having their own station but 6-7 billion dollars isn't shabby either.

dodgerdave
11-25-2012, 02:16 AM
I'm all for a DES Network to compete with the YES Network.

TrueYankee
11-25-2012, 03:16 AM
Thank god for Yankees and YES Network...

ciaban
11-25-2012, 03:16 AM
I want a Dodgers network :(

me too, i hate not being able to watch dodger games consistently, i would buy that package, or get my grandparents too, since they live near me and i am over at their house literally everyday.

ciaban
11-25-2012, 03:20 AM
does anyone remember how much Frank McCourt was trying to get from Fox for the TV deal? about 2 Billion, new ownership is could get 7 billion.

Jeffy25
11-25-2012, 10:28 AM
Still think they should create their own network with the capital they supposedly have.

Jeffy25
11-25-2012, 10:28 AM
It depends on where tv markets are 10-20 years from now.

YES earns the Yankees over 200 million a year and they have room for growth being their own network.

The Dodgers could have possibly made more money having their own station but 6-7 billion dollars isn't shabby either.

400 million a year*

THINKBLUE15
11-25-2012, 03:38 PM
Not sure how credible the source is. We'll see

metswon69
11-25-2012, 03:43 PM
400 million a year*

I was reading an article that said 200 million.

http://articles.mcall.com/2012-11-20/sports/mc-yankees-yes-extension-1120-20121120_1_news-corp-new-york-yankees-tv-rights


YES Network generates more than $200 million in annual earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization, making it worth more than $3 billion, Forbes reported in April.

It might be more, i know there are a lot of conflicting reports on earnings when it comes to companies like this.

Krush
11-25-2012, 03:55 PM
The Dodgers could still get their own network with or without Fox as a partner.

richiesaurus310
11-25-2012, 03:58 PM
Lol $250,000,000+ payrolls for the next 25 years, Im down.

THINKBLUE15
11-25-2012, 04:00 PM
Lol $250,000,000+ payrolls for the next 25 years, Im down.

I guarantee once the farm is restored you're not gonna see the need to take on that much money.

THINKBLUE15
11-25-2012, 04:02 PM
Bud Selig did a good job vetoing the 3 billion dollar deal Mccourt and Fox tried to pull off in his attempt to keep the team, and FOX's attempt to get a far below market deal.

Scully in 2012
11-25-2012, 04:59 PM
Lol $250,000,000+ payrolls for the next 25 years, Im down.

I guarantee once the farm is restored you're not gonna see the need to take on that much money.

Yep, temporary spending. 5 years from now the payroll with be reduced as there won't be a need for it.

NYSPORTS98
11-25-2012, 05:35 PM
Wilpon junior will negotiate a $15 million dollar contract in the future. Daddy will be so proud of his pathetic son.

dodgerdave
11-25-2012, 06:46 PM
does anyone remember how much Frank McCourt was trying to get from Fox for the TV deal? about 2 Billion, new ownership is could get 7 billion.

I think it was around $2 billion.

THINKBLUE15
11-25-2012, 06:51 PM
I think it was around $2 billion.

It was 3 billion.

ciaban
11-25-2012, 06:54 PM
I guarantee once the farm is restored you're not gonna see the need to take on that much money.


Yep, temporary spending. 5 years from now the payroll with be reduced as there won't be a need for it.

while payroll will be reduced once we start getting a good system going, i still think that the dodgers will always be near the top of payrolls in baseball.

LASportsFan1996
11-25-2012, 06:58 PM
:clap:

The payroll will decrease in a few years, the ORG has already preached building up the system and using that route efficiently

GasMan
11-26-2012, 12:17 AM
I was reading an article that said 200 million.

http://articles.mcall.com/2012-11-20/sports/mc-yankees-yes-extension-1120-20121120_1_news-corp-new-york-yankees-tv-rights



It might be more, i know there are a lot of conflicting reports on earnings when it comes to companies like this.

I thought I read that the Yankees gave YES network a very reasonable rate because part of the TV money is shared. So while they (YES) earn somewhere around $400 million they only pay like $100 million to the Yankees.

metswon69
11-26-2012, 12:21 AM
I thought I read that the Yankees gave YES network a very reasonable rate because part of the TV money is shared. So while they (YES) earn somewhere around $400 million they only pay like $100 million to the Yankees.

It very well could be, i've read different articles on how profitable the YES network is in general and to the Yankees.

metswon69
11-26-2012, 12:38 AM
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2012/11/20/2177942/news-corp-acquires-stake-in-yankees.html


YES's fee to the Yankees, which was $85 million this year, was due to compound at 4 percent annually under the options in the old contract. Under the new deal, the rate will increase gradually to 7 percent in the final years of the rights agreement, and YES's annual payment to the team will rise to about $300 million by 2042.

YES Network, which also broadcasts Brooklyn Nets games, launched in 2002. YES Network is one of the most valuable regional sports networks in the country, earning a nation-leading $2.99 in subscriber fees each month from its 11.8 million subscribers, according to SNL Kagan.

It is expected to have $500 million in revenue this year and around $232 million in cash, for a cash flow margin of 46 percent. That sets it apart from other regional sports networks that generate margins around 20 to 30 percent.

So that report suggest 232 million dollars in cash the YES network generates and the annual payment to the team will be 85 million this year and 300 million in 30 years time.

But it also suggest it being a larger revenue maker annually or at the very least this year (500 million dollars in 2012)

Greedy22
11-26-2012, 02:00 AM
Damn, what a deal for them.

THINKBLUE15
11-26-2012, 03:13 AM
By Bill Shaikin

November 25, 2012, 2:06 p.m.


Fox Sports could pay $7 billion to retain the Dodgers’ television rights, three parties familiar with the negotiations said Sunday.

The deal is not done, the parties said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing negotiations.

If the two sides do not strike a deal by Friday, the Dodgers would have until the following Friday to present Fox with a final offer, according to the team’s current contract. Fox would then have 30 days to accept or reject the offer.

In the absence of a deal, the Dodgers would be free to open talks with Time Warner Cable SportsNet or launch a team-owned cable channel.

THINKBLUE15
11-26-2012, 03:14 AM
I hope the Dodgers see FOX's bluff about backing out if a deal is not reached Friday and get a bidding war going.

Fox is not gonna back out if they don't reach a deal Friday. If they lose the Dodgers, they are screwed.

They have already lost the other LA flagship franchise, the Lakers, and if they lose the Dodgers, they are left with the Angels, Kings, Ducks, and Clippers, meaning they could lose one of their 2 RSNs in So Cal.

Both flagship franchises in LA would be gone, leaving 2 Orange County teams (one of which is NHL), the historically irrelevant Clippers, and the Kings, which are growing in popularity, but it's still hockey. They need the Dodgers and will not back out.

Greedy22
11-26-2012, 04:44 AM
Would TWC be a better choice for the dodgers?

THINKBLUE15
11-26-2012, 05:06 AM
Would TWC be a better choice for the dodgers?

The quality of programming is superior on TWC SportsNet. It has the visuals of a national network even though it's regional, whereas Fox Sports RSNs are cheaply produced and are not dedicated to non stop team coverage.

TWC SportsNet has two 1 Hour live shows dedicated to the Lakers every day, regardless of if there is a game that day or not. They have a daily 30 min social media Lakers show and a weekly behind the scenes Laker show.

It's better for promoting the brand, providing quality coverage etc.

Fox simply sucks. You get a cheaply produced 30 minute pregame/post game show, and the game. Nothing else.

I think not only is TWC better for fans and the brand, a bidding war between Fox and TWC will net the Dodgers even more money. Losing the Dodgers is detrimental to Fox and obtaining the Dodgers would be huge for TWC.

Creating a network is all fine and good, but signing on for 7+ billion dollars with an RSN is easier, more conventional, and there's less risk.

Greedy22
11-26-2012, 05:13 AM
I figured so, when the Lakers jumped ship to TWC I imagined the Dodgers would wanna do the same. If I weren't deployed I was going to add the Lakers package to my cable.

A bidding war would be great for you guys, hopefully TWC wins out because Fox is awful.

Honestly, I eventually think the Dodgers will create their own network in time. They're an extremely valuable franchise.

PraiseJesus
11-26-2012, 06:48 AM
So begins the Dodgers' 100 year reign of the NL West

Pinstripe pride
11-26-2012, 09:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYj7T9eEQ4U

Jeffy25
11-26-2012, 09:58 AM
I hope the Dodgers see FOX's bluff about backing out if a deal is not reached Friday and get a bidding war going.



He who can not walk away from a deal, loses the deal.

2-0-Niner
11-27-2012, 01:34 AM
As long as the Giants can keep their Pitching and young core of Players intact the Giants should be fine. With all the revenue they've been getting from good crowds and the World Series' The Giants will always be contending. The West is beginning to look interesting now.

hype707
11-27-2012, 01:50 AM
Reported: Josh Hamilton gets a 20 year, 650 million dollar deal.

Loldodgers

ciaban
11-27-2012, 02:01 AM
As long as the Giants can keep their Pitching and young core of Players intact the Giants should be fine. With all the revenue they've been getting from good crowds and the World Series' The Giants will always be contending. The West is beginning to look interesting now.

I think they may loose Timmy though, and their is no ace to replace him from the minors seeing as they traded Zach Wheeler, if either Madison or Cain gets hurt it could make competing really viticulture.

d79cheese
11-27-2012, 02:11 AM
I think they may loose Timmy though, and their is no ace to replace him from the minors seeing as they traded Zach Wheeler, if either Madison or Cain gets hurt it could make competing really viticulture.

PSD is lucky to have insight like this floating around these threads.

THINKBLUE15
11-27-2012, 04:00 AM
Loldodgers

I don't get it

Greedy22
11-27-2012, 04:54 AM
I don't get it

Weak attempt at taking a shot at the dodgers for being big spenders at the moment.

Bruno
11-27-2012, 05:12 AM
how are they worth that much more than the Lakers? because MLB has a lot more games than the NBA?

THINKBLUE15
11-27-2012, 06:09 AM
how are they worth that much more than the Lakers? because MLB has a lot more games than the NBA?

Los Angeles was a Dodger town until the 90s when the Free Agent Era dawned upon Peter O'Malley, who didn't adjust and ended up selling the Dodgers to crap owners, who sold to crap owners. In the mean time, the Lakers continued to win and win, and win some more...gaining a bigger national spotlight.

"When the Dodgers arrived in LA, a parade was held upon their arrival. When we (Lakers) got to town, nobody knew who we were.." (quote from a player in a Laker documentary).

Magic Johnson and Kareem: "Even during Show Time, we never could beat the Dodgers for the front page of the newspaper".

The Lakers just kept winning championships while the Dodgers were sold into mediocrity. And it became a Laker town by the 90s.

The Dodgers are still an LA institution, and lead Major League baseball in attendance since moving to Los Angeles. Led MLB as recently as 2009, before the divorce exposed Frank's siphoning team money.

The Dodgers are such a big deal in LA regardless if they are winning or not. With new ownership committed to restoring the winning tradition, it's gonna get even better.

And yes, the 80 additional games per season would be the major reason. It's all about advertizing.

THINKBLUE15
11-27-2012, 06:17 AM
Weak attempt at taking a shot at the dodgers for being big spenders at the moment.

THat crap is almost as tiring as Praise Jesus, Cain=Future, Mr. LA, and lolPhillies combined.

The Dodgers didn't have all these players in April. They were second in MLB in injuries. Significant ones at that. Kemp was injured all season (yes, because when he came off the DL he was horrid and had to get shoulder surgery the day after the season ended). They had Bobby Abreu, Jerry Hairston, Tony Gwynn Jr, Juan Uribe, and James Loney as starters in the same lineup for heavens sake.

People aren't even giving this team a fair chance.

Also acting like the Dodgers have anything to do with the Giants winning...The Giants beat the Cards, Reds, and Tigers. We have no control over that. All we can do is get healthy, a full season with these guys and do our best.