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Ebbs
11-24-2012, 06:39 PM
Kobe Bryant (34) IMO, is playing the best basketball of his career. I have never been a fan of his, I still don't think he's better than LeBron but he's been statistically dominant. I have enjoyed watching him play this season.

Tim Duncan (36) is the best player on the Spurs again. Arguably the first time since Tony Parker led the Spurs over the Cavs in the franchises last championship.

Jamal Crawford (32) He's being more than "a spark off the bench". He's always been a scorer but the guy is doing at a league leading clip on good efficiency.

These are the only 30+ players who play 25+ minutes a night and contribute 16+ points. It's not a great comparison but it narrowed the candidates.

30 + Year olds still doing work (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2013&year_max=2013&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=30&age_max=46&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=Y&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=25&c2stat=pts_per_g&c2comp=gt&c2val=16&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws)

It's important to note every player on this list was believed to have played their basketball already by the majority.

alexander_37
11-24-2012, 06:40 PM
Duncan. Pretty sure everyone expected Kobe to be ( not this ) good.

Duncan is looking really good though.

Baller1
11-24-2012, 06:47 PM
Duncan. Every year he's expected to finally slow down and be just gets better.

Beltrans Mole
11-24-2012, 06:51 PM
Melo

Bruno
11-24-2012, 06:52 PM
kobe. but only because he's playing six more minutes per game than Duncan. Kobe is at three quarters a game, Duncan is at two and a half. every eighth game Kobe gives you an entire games worth more production than Duncan does.

the numbers are a near wash.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=duncati01&y1=2013&p2=bryanko01&y2=2013

Ebbs
11-24-2012, 06:54 PM
Melo

:facepalm: sometimes

todu82
11-24-2012, 06:54 PM
Close between Bryant and Duncan but I'll go with Bryant.

Raps18-19 Champ
11-24-2012, 06:55 PM
Duncan only because I already knew Kobe could still perform at this level. I thought Duncan, while still good, was done being an all star type big man.

NYKNYGNYY
11-24-2012, 06:56 PM
Kobe love thread

Ebbs
11-24-2012, 06:58 PM
Kobe love thread

Not at al this isn't even whose the best player. It's a who are you most impressed with stepping their game up after so much time.

I would never make a Kobe love thread.

Gagan136
11-24-2012, 07:01 PM
Timmy, but kobe is performing very well right now.

ztilzer31
11-24-2012, 07:07 PM
I'm saying Duncan just because he really looked to be losing it that last few years. Kobe has been decline but not nearly as drastically.

Jamaal Crawford is definitely the biggest surprise though. I expected him to really start falling.

Raidaz4Life
11-24-2012, 07:09 PM
Timmy even though I never have and never will like him.

Beltrans Mole
11-24-2012, 07:09 PM
:facepalm: sometimes

:facepalm:

raiderposting
11-24-2012, 07:10 PM
Duncan. Every year he's expected to finally slow down and be just gets better.

he doesn't get better every year he just still plays like an above average player. 2012 duncan is not the same as 2001 duncan, so its not like hes getting better every year.

KB-Pau-DH2012
11-24-2012, 07:11 PM
Trade Pau to the Spurs for Tim Duncan.

b@llhog24
11-24-2012, 07:12 PM
Crawford.

Ebbs
11-24-2012, 07:15 PM
Trade Pau to the Spurs for Tim Duncan.

Lakers would be a better team this season with Duncan in place of Dwight?

Not sure I believe that with D'antoni as a coach but if they were a defensive minded team I do.

KB-Pau-DH2012
11-24-2012, 07:16 PM
Lakers would be a better team this season with Duncan in place of Dwight?

Not sure I believe that with D'antoni as a coach but if they were a defensive minded team I do.

Old Duncan runs the floor better than current Pau and doesn't get physically pushed around.

TheNumber37
11-24-2012, 07:23 PM
Rasheed Wallace.

ee
11-24-2012, 07:26 PM
Can't believe early 30s is considered really old nowadays..... I remember players still in their prime at 30-35 years old.....

alexander_37
11-24-2012, 07:30 PM
Old Duncan runs the floor better than current Pau and doesn't get physically pushed around.

Duncan could not last long in Antoni's system.

topdog
11-24-2012, 07:36 PM
Timmy. Everyone had already put him out to pasture already.

Ebbs
11-24-2012, 07:38 PM
I'd like to hear who voted for other and who the other players are they voted for?

KB-Pau-DH2012
11-24-2012, 07:39 PM
I'd like to hear who voted for other and who the other players are they voted for?

Knicks fans (Kurt Thomas & Marcus Camby). :D

JNoel
11-24-2012, 07:41 PM
Jamal Crawford.

Im_in_Mia_bish
11-24-2012, 07:49 PM
good post.

kinda torn between duncan and crawford.

StarvingKnick22
11-24-2012, 08:09 PM
Have you never heard of Jason Kidd or Rasheed Wallace?

Ebbs
11-24-2012, 08:42 PM
Have you never heard of Jason Kidd or Rasheed Wallace?

Are Jason Kidd or Rasheed Wallace playing on the level of any of the 3 guys on the poll?

Lol you're ridiculous.

Kidd is playing 26 minutes a game averaging 2 more points a game than last season but 2 less assists. I'm glad he is a good fit in NYC I really am but don't act like he hit the fountain of youth.

Rasheed is doing a great job as a reserve but he is playing 14 minutes relax yourself.

KB-Pau-DH2012
11-24-2012, 08:44 PM
Have you never heard of Jason Kidd or Rasheed Wallace?

You forgot Marcus Camby and Kurt Thomas.

Ajwyeahhh
11-24-2012, 08:58 PM
Are Jason Kidd or Rasheed Wallace playing on the level of any of the 3 guys on the poll?

Lol you're ridiculous.

Kidd is playing 26 minutes a game averaging 2 more points a game than last season but 2 less assists. I'm glad he is a good fit in NYC I really am but don't act like he hit the fountain of youth.

Rasheed is doing a great job as a reserve but he is playing 14 minutes relax yourself.

As a Knick fan I appreciate this post, none of our players are performing like these 3.

For me its Duncan, still quality

LAKERMANIA
11-24-2012, 09:09 PM
Since I see more Kobe and I'm more surprised by Kobe being efficient than TD doing well, I'm going to go with Kobe

Ebbs
11-24-2012, 09:17 PM
Since I see more Kobe and I'm more surprised by Kobe being efficient than TD doing well, I'm going to go with Kobe

He's playing like he grew up. It's nice for the NBA fans who hate the Lakers.

naps
11-24-2012, 09:24 PM
Duncan by a landslide followed by JC.

Chronz
11-24-2012, 09:28 PM
Sheed and Crawford

Ebbs
11-24-2012, 09:36 PM
Sheed and Crawford

I kind of rule Crawford out in my own mind. Just based on the fact he admitted this is the first off-season he has ever trained on his game. He could have been a near elite player if he had gotten a work ethic earlier.

eddyv7
11-24-2012, 09:52 PM
how about meta world peace hes averaging at least 16 points a game this season and playing better and quicker

alexander_37
11-24-2012, 09:52 PM
Have you never heard of Jason Kidd or Rasheed Wallace?

Why don't we just add all of the knicks...

Ebbs
11-24-2012, 09:55 PM
how about meta world peace hes averaging at least 16 points a game this season and playing better and quicker

13.5 do you honestly think his improvements are on par with the other 3?

Raidaz4Life
11-24-2012, 10:02 PM
13.5 do you honestly think his improvements are on par with the other 3?

Is he playing at the same level as the other 3? No, but if you are questioning whether or not his improvement is on par with the other 3 then you have no idea how bad he was last year.

Sevilla91
11-24-2012, 10:03 PM
Duncan, hes been unreal and it looks painful to watch him run!

Bruno
11-24-2012, 10:06 PM
13.5 do you honestly think his improvements are on par with the other 3?

not quite. but artest has been good. he's never played this well as a Laker. he's having a slightly better season than Pau Gasol, thus far.

Bruno
11-24-2012, 10:08 PM
Sheed and Crawford

i didn't realize sheeds advanced line was so pretty.

Ebbs
11-24-2012, 10:08 PM
Is he playing at the same level as the other 3? No, but if you are questioning whether or not his improvement is on par with the other 3 then you have no idea how bad he was last year.

:laugh: fair enough.

Bruno
11-24-2012, 10:09 PM
Duncan by a landslide followed by JC.

overkill/exaggeration.

eddyv7
11-24-2012, 10:10 PM
13.5 do you honestly think his improvements are on par with the other 3?

no but compared to the 7 and 8 points his been averaging in his stint with the lakers this is major improvement the lakers finally got the x factor they needed for the play offs

Blitzbolt
11-24-2012, 10:14 PM
ZBO had a MCL last year and miss half the season and now he is leading the NBA in Rebounds and scoring about 16 a game.

He has 11 double doubles in 11 games.

Ebbs
11-24-2012, 10:16 PM
ZBO had a MCL last year and miss half the season and now he is leading the NBA in Rebounds and scoring about 16 a game.

He has 10 double doubles in 10 games.

Zach is in the link.

He's having a great year. I didn't include him in the poll though because he was playing great ball in Memphis before he got hurt. Not like people thought he WS regressing.

Chronz
11-24-2012, 10:20 PM
Sheed and Crawford

i didn't realize sheeds advanced line was so pretty.
Hes finally sticking to the post

DreamShaker
11-24-2012, 10:24 PM
Kobe is the best player out of the 3 at this point, obviously, but he never stopped being a tip ten player. Duncan has had his best season in years, by far, if we view this sample size. So to answer the question of the OP, Duncan should be the clear answer.

JordansBulls
11-24-2012, 10:26 PM
Well based on the last few seasons I would say Duncan since he may not have even been top 15 the last few seasons.

Blitzbolt
11-24-2012, 10:28 PM
Usually Duncan runs out gas by playoff time.

FraziersKnicks
11-24-2012, 10:28 PM
Timmy

Another 30+ guy who's been tearing it up is Anderson Varejao. 14.4 PPG, 14 RPG, a career year at the age of 30. Impressive.

Westbrook36
11-24-2012, 11:13 PM
Kevin Garnett plays so well last year in the playoffs and all season as a center. Duncan decides to show him up and play really well this season

Jarvo
11-24-2012, 11:15 PM
Tim Duncan :worthy:

Catfish1314
11-24-2012, 11:17 PM
I'm not a Kobe fan either, but he's dominating in a perimeter-oriented league right now. He has a lot of pressure taken off of him with the two bigs he has inside, but a lot of pressure is put on him at times too with the way Pau plays.

Before you know it, Ebbs will turn over a new leaf on Joakim Noah too. He's having a career year in Rose's absence :up:

Ebbs
11-24-2012, 11:44 PM
I'm not a Kobe fan either, but he's dominating in a perimeter-oriented league right now. He has a lot of pressure taken off of him with the two bigs he has inside, but a lot of pressure is put on him at times too with the way Pau plays.

Before you know it, Ebbs will turn over a new leaf on Joakim Noah too. He's having a career year in Rose's absence :up:

Lol comparisons forum?

Andrew32
11-24-2012, 11:49 PM
Kobe is the best player out of the 3 at this point, obviously, but he never stopped being a tip ten player.

Not sure if Kobe was Top Tin in terms of actual on-court impact/value last year.

kblo247
11-25-2012, 12:43 AM
Crawford. I have never expected him to be efficient tbh

I know what Kobe can do when healthy. Once I heard he took care of fingers I knew he would be good, not this efficient but the best SG in the league.

Duncan, always starts well and plays well. He's playoff judged as the spurs have blew chunks with expectations since 08 getting beat by the 8 seed and back door swept, both series seeing him bested by Marc, Zach, Ibaka. I want to see if he will still have his legs then as he's lost them in May the past couple years when it matters sadly despite the management by Pop

kdspurman
11-25-2012, 12:59 AM
Usually Duncan runs out gas by playoff time.

Where's your proof? :confused: Last year game 6 he finished with 25 points and 14 boards.

He averaged 17 and 9.8 boards and nearly 2.5 bpg in the WCF.

This year he's in better shape than last and without the condensed season, I imagine his playoff numbers will be at least the same if not better.

Rain City
11-25-2012, 01:24 AM
MWP has been quite resurgent

mavwar53
11-25-2012, 01:28 AM
To me the "most surprising" is AK47

JNoel
11-25-2012, 01:32 AM
No one has mentioned Andy Varajao. Hes on his way to his first all-star team appearence being in the weak East. His statline is 15 ppg 14 reb shooting 52% which is pretty good considering what he put up in the past.

AnthonyTyrael
11-25-2012, 02:01 AM
Clearly Duncan, though only his role on team and minutes limited him ove the past years. Some call it reduced role. Being a big man, you're somewhat getting favored anyways in todays NBA, if you can call a shot and IQ like TD's your own...bang...you're a weapon anytime.

Kobe still would be able to win some scoring titles if he wanted to. See last year. He could easily average a little above 30 per season (for one or another) but to what cost/price and why should he do so? He's doing what he's supposed to do: Working on his shot selection, efficency, passing and opening up the court for others.

AnthonyTyrael
11-25-2012, 02:05 AM
No one has mentioned Andy Varajao. Hes on his way to his first all-star team appearence being in the weak East. His statline is 15 ppg 14 reb shooting 52% which is pretty good considering what he put up in the past.

You're right and congrats to him...I don't mean it rude but he's never reached the spheres of others menationed in this thread and never will but generally I like seeing everybody working hard and living up to their potential.

Munkeysuit
11-25-2012, 02:09 AM
Crawford because he's playing limited minutes off the bench and leading his team in scoring.

jaydubb
11-25-2012, 02:32 AM
Kobe has been a huge surprise for me, but an even bigger surprise is Tim Duncan. He seemed to be going downhill and downhill fast especially on the defensive side of the ball imo, now he is looking 5 years younger and playing some GREAT basketball.

HUGE kobe fan, but I think Tim Duncan has been the most surprising 30+ so far. :)

sodaddicted
11-25-2012, 02:38 AM
Gonna go with Duncan.

mjt20mik
11-25-2012, 02:40 AM
VC should get a nod too

mrblisterdundee
11-25-2012, 04:06 AM
Nobody in their right mind expected Kobe to fall off this season; they just might not have expected him to become the most efficient he's ever been on field goals and three pointers while still scoring 27.5 points per game. That's worth a nod for the Most Improved Geezer (MIG) award.
Tim Duncan's resurgance, season-wise, over the last two years has been impressive too. I think he'll trail off some by the end of holiday season.

kblo247
11-25-2012, 06:13 AM
I still want to know who called Crawford beign even semi efficient, let alone über for him!

VinceCarter
11-25-2012, 06:23 AM
i'd like to hear who voted for other and who the other players are they voted for?

Andrei Kirilenko.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
11-25-2012, 06:44 AM
Melo

His numbers are mediocre

-Kobe24-TJ19-
11-25-2012, 06:47 AM
Duncan by a landslide followed by JC.

You hate Kobe, dont you:cool:?

knicks=love
11-25-2012, 08:20 AM
Before I saw 16 points a game and 25 minutes, my answer was sheed, but since he doesn't qualify I'll go Kobe. He's just killing it.

AnthonyTyrael
11-25-2012, 08:36 AM
Duncan and KG showed glimpse of lost greatness last year with KG cooling somehwat off this year and I agree, he looked more impressive to me last season, especially at the end of it. Last year, most PSD user said it's due to them playing more minutes at C position.

Chavacano
11-25-2012, 09:54 AM
You can't go wrong with either Kobe or Duncan but I went with the former.


Kobe love thread

^^ More like oldies appreciation thread unless you wish to derail it. :eyebrow:


Can't believe early 30s is considered really old nowadays..... I remember players still in their prime at 30-35 years old.....

^^ The time you remember is when players entered the NBA as college grads, not as HS grads or college freshmen.






On another note: Metta's been averaging 17 ppg (on 53.1 FG%, 48.7 3PT% and 70.5 TS% :speechless:), 5 rpg and 2 apg since implementing D'Antoni's system.

Ebbs
11-25-2012, 05:58 PM
KG hasn't been the same factor he was last year IMO

KnicksorBust
11-25-2012, 06:15 PM
Kobe.

Bishnoff
11-25-2012, 06:16 PM
Timmy D.

dalton749
11-25-2012, 06:31 PM
Timmy D.

timmy d just got shown how its done by a rookie

tredigs
11-25-2012, 06:41 PM
Timmy D for me too. I don't understand where this resurgence has come from. We have a top ten player of all time PLAYING LIKE A TOP TEN PLAYER OF ALL TIME. He leads the league in D. Rating and Defensive Rebound%, has a 27.5 PER that's second to only Lebron, is tied with Lebron for 4th best WS/48 at .250, and is averaging 19/11 with some of the best percentages of his career.

How is he doing this? Possible he never took EPO or steroids until this season? Either way, it's damn impressive.


timmy d just got shown how its done by a rookie

As he dropped 26/5/6 + 3 blocks with efficiency and won the game? He'll probably take it.

Chronz
11-25-2012, 06:44 PM
KG hasn't been the same factor he was last year IMO

Trust me, he is the same guy. The team is just that much ******** when hes not playing.

NoahH
11-25-2012, 08:16 PM
Melo

Yeah cause Melo is 30+ ya genius!! :facepalm:

Tony_Starks
11-25-2012, 08:37 PM
Kobe's the most impressive but he never really fell off so Im going with World Peace. Duncan has stepped it up but he's always respectable whereas MWP has been a flat out non-factor the past 2 seasons. He's looking like his old self these days.....