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Fresno
11-21-2012, 10:25 AM
PHILADELPHIA-- The 76ers let Andrew Bynum break the news about the latest setback with his damaged knees on Friday, then acted as if they weren’t sure what was going on with the guy they’re paying $16.5 million this season.

The truth is that the 7-foot, 285-pound former All-Star center who has yet to play a game as a Sixer may be out for the season and will learn in December, at the earliest, whether he’ll require surgery that could sideline him for up to a year.
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20121119/SPORTS03/121118014/Exclusive-Evidence-shows-76ers-Bynum-likely-out-season?gcheck=1&nclick_check=1

Not surprising, but its still sad.


Here are doctor quotes on this situation:


One internationally respected orthopedic surgeon, who is not involved with Bynum’s treatment and has not seen his MRIs, told The News Journal that all of the information that has been released by the player and the Sixers points to a likely diagnosis of osteochondritis dessicans lesions. The surgeon said that if this is the case, there’s a small chance that Bynum’s knees could heal sufficiently on their own in time for him to return for the playoffs this season, but called that scenario “wishing on a star.”


“While they can heal non-operatively, they can take a long time [four to six months] to heal, and in adult athletes, frequently they will require surgical intervention at some point if there isn’t adequate healing within the first several months of treatment,” the surgeon said.

He added that if the 25-year-old returns to the court too early and the lesions become large enough, the condition could become career threatening. The surgeon spoke on condition of anonymity because Bynum is not his patient, but this probable diagnosis, given the player’s symptoms and treatment thus far, is backed up by reams of medical literature.

JasonJohnHorn
11-21-2012, 10:25 AM
:facepalm:

WOW!

Blue_Ninja
11-21-2012, 10:26 AM
Resign him for an amazingly cheap deal

justinnum1
11-21-2012, 10:29 AM
injure player exception

nycericanguy
11-21-2012, 10:30 AM
Umm.. this is a surgeon's opinion who has not even seen Bynum.

Dade County
11-21-2012, 10:33 AM
One of Pat Riley projects...

Why wouldn't he sign with the HEAT, he gets to win rings, while trying to heal up; win win.

Fresno
11-21-2012, 10:33 AM
A few more quotes because its a detailed article.


Bynum said he’s experiencing pain and swelling in both knees, but that his low-impact workouts in the pool and on the elliptical are “not degrading the cartilage, as far as I know.” He called it a “weird issue” that intensified since he last spoke with reporters last Monday. He since returned to visit his longtime orthopedist, Dr. David W. Altchek of the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York, to have an MRI on both knees. Bynum said there is no issue with his ligaments or surrounding meniscus.


Altchek did not immediately respond Sunday to a request seeking comment and confirmation of the diagnosis of osteochondral lesions, which can form in joints when the bone underneath gets weakened, such as in the case of Bynum’s bone bruises. The bruised bone then starts to crack, and if it gets too weak and collapses, the cartilage sitting on top becomes unsupported and collapses, too.

Bynum and the Sixers are hoping that his bone bruises, underneath the now-weakened cartilage, begin to heal on their own and create a stronger foundation. But the condition will worsen with additional trauma, hence Bynum suggesting Friday that he may give up working out on the elliptical and, for the time being, confine his exercise to the pool.




“I’m a little bit worried, bluntly, that it’s more advanced and the guy probably does need surgery. But if he needs surgery, then the year is completely written off,” the surgeon said. “But if he doesn’t have surgery and they think they can demonstrate healing in about four months, then he could potentially still come back for the playoffs.

“That’s what it sounds like they’re thinking about.”

Non-operative treatment for the lesions involves avoiding high-impact activity for between four to six months, but in adults, more often than not, the condition ends up requiring arthroscopic surgery that can sideline a patient for up to a year.


All jokes aside, its terrible that both Greg Oden & Andrew Bynum have had a lot of their potential slowly wiped away because of knee injuries. :(

Not too long ago we all thought these guys would be 2 of the Elite big men in the NBA.

PC
11-21-2012, 10:37 AM
I read the rotoworld blurb and the opinion's coming from someone who's never seen his MRIs or been a part of his treatment

Fresno
11-21-2012, 10:38 AM
Umm.. this is a surgeon's opinion who has not even seen Bynum.

I'll take the opinion of an orthopedic surgeon who has probably seen 200+ patients with various degrees of knee issues and can recognize issues like this over a "blogger" on Twitter making assumptions about Bynum.

This is the first time a doctor actually commented on the situation.

nycericanguy
11-21-2012, 10:39 AM
I'll take the opinion of an orthopedic surgeon who has probably seen 200+ patients with various degrees of knee issues and can recognize issues like this over a "blogger" on Twitter making assumptions about Bynum.

This is the first time a doctor actually commented on the situation.

a doc who has never seen Bynum's knees or even the MRI.

sounds like a website trying to get hits more than anything. Hence the dramatic "Report" and "career threatening" title. Horrible journalism tactics.

Fresno
11-21-2012, 10:40 AM
I read the rotoworld blurb and the opinion's coming from someone who's never seen his MRIs or been a part of his treatment


“He’s had it in the other knee all along, but they just MRI’d the one knee,” the surgeon said. “Now it hurts because he’s been favoring it. The other knee is bothering him and they MRI’d that. It’s on the medial side of the lateral femoral condyle, and it’s frequently bilateral [or in both knees].

“And I can tell you, Altchek isn’t surprised,” he said. “If I was his orthopedic surgeon, I’d say, ‘Yeah, he has the same thing on the other knee as well.’ … Because he’s jumping up and down. That’s how he makes his living.”


Yes, this guy has no clue.:rolleyes:

kingbrentg
11-21-2012, 10:44 AM
Like PC and nycerican said, it's still from a doctor that hasn't even seen the MRI or been dealing with Bynum. Until there's a further report with more concrete proof I edited the thread title.

StarvingKnick22
11-21-2012, 10:44 AM
Wow. I know Philly fans are getting more pissed off by the hour. But this could be a trick, from Bynum, so he doesnt have to play and he can just wait until Free Agency. He's that type of person.

MickeyMgl
11-21-2012, 10:44 AM
Not too long ago we all thought these guys would be 2 of the Elite big men in the NBA.

Not all of us.

THE MTL
11-21-2012, 10:47 AM
If u had told me that the Sixers lost on the Howard trade, I would have disagreed. But it looks like Orlando was correct for refusing to take Bynum

Fresno
11-21-2012, 10:56 AM
a doc who has never seen Bynum's knees or even the MRI.

sounds like a website trying to get hits more than anything. Hence the dramatic "Report" and "career threatening" title. Horrible journalism tactics.
An orthopedic surgeon can can give a hypothesis on the situation on vague reports & specifically patient history. Oh wait, how would he know about this? I mean its not like Bynum doesn't have documented knee injuries that the public knows about.

If the average fan can clearly see Bynum's knees are messed up, why are you questioning a surgeon's opinion considering he's seen cases like this all before but can give specific issues for what is causing it?

This whole situation with Bynum over the years has been sad enough.

Not even trying to argue with you. :cool:

Slug3
11-21-2012, 10:59 AM
Man the Lakers did such a smart move by trading him and especially when they did. could you imagine if they waited till the beginning of the NBA season and then all the reports of Bynums knee came out? Lakers did the right move here.

Fresno
11-21-2012, 11:02 AM
Man the Lakers did such a smart move by trading him and especially when they did. could you imagine if they waited till the beginning of the NBA season and then all the reports of Bynums knee came out? Lakers did the right move here.

The Lakers already knew he had gone to Germany to get the "Kobe Treatment" for his knee hoping it would ease the pain it was causing him.

He's barely been holding up for a full season since he started having these issues 5-6 years ago.

Fresno
11-21-2012, 11:03 AM
Not all of us.
How could you not think Bynum or Oden would be All Stars?

Both of these guys were young, skilled, and had great potential.

MagicBucsSox
11-21-2012, 11:06 AM
Lmao "the magic front office is soooooo stupid"

RLundi
11-21-2012, 11:11 AM
Sorry, Sixer fans, that flippin' SUCKS :(

TheNumber37
11-21-2012, 11:12 AM
on PSD, where the outside advice of medical professionals is regarded as speculation.

yeah, I'm pretty sure this is a publicity stunt to increase hits to one website, seeing as how wildly popular Bynum's knees are...

I'm not going to say this doctor is right, but he is more accurate than anyone on here saying he's not (ppl who havent seen nor can understand an MRI).

2-ONE-5
11-21-2012, 11:25 AM
Sixers are managing just fine. on the way to being 8-4 after tonight. Tons of cap room to use after this season.

Jarvo
11-21-2012, 11:30 AM
Bynum just trolled everyone his whole career :laugh:

Jarvo
11-21-2012, 11:30 AM
Atleast the Magic have something to be proud about lol

thedfactor
11-21-2012, 11:31 AM
The Sixers aren't big losers here at all. They only traded an overpaid Andre Iguodala who had been the topic of trade rumors every season for the last 3-4 years. AI is a solid player, but not a franchise guy by any means.

Does it suck to not have Bynum healthy and playing, sure. But Philly isn't playing bad right now and they probably are better now even without Bynum than they were last season. They'll be fine.

Of course getting AB back would help, hope he recovers.

faridk89
11-21-2012, 11:33 AM
Man the Lakers did such a smart move by trading him and especially when they did. could you imagine if they waited till the beginning of the NBA season and then all the reports of Bynums knee came out? Lakers did the right move here.

on top of that imagine both Bynum and Nash out for considerable time, would of been a disaster!

danniboi168
11-21-2012, 11:38 AM
wow...

Ill21
11-21-2012, 11:50 AM
Poor Philly

ElFuturoDeESPN
11-21-2012, 11:55 AM
Yet another case of trade rape by the Lakers.... how the **** do they continue to get away with this ****?!

ironman9518
11-21-2012, 11:57 AM
So the Sixers still end up with cap space, Jrue is able to be the star and J Rich is actually killing it. Sucks for Bynum and sucks for the Sixers but it could be worse. This team still has a bright future

Chronz
11-21-2012, 11:58 AM
Not all of us.

You would have been wrong for doing so. Who else had greater potential+present production back then? Save for Dwight..

Chronz
11-21-2012, 11:59 AM
Yet another case of trade rape by the Lakers.... how the **** do they continue to get away with this ****?!

Your avatar enrages me

Swashcuff
11-21-2012, 12:00 PM
Just can't catch a break :(

The goods
11-21-2012, 12:01 PM
Philly fans are going to crucify him hope he isn't living there.

Swashcuff
11-21-2012, 12:02 PM
Sixers are managing just fine. on the way to being 8-4 after tonight. Tons of cap room to use after this season.

A healthy Bynum is the difference between a possible dynasty (one more move) and possible mediocrity for a long time to come. We're not just fine we need him healthy.

Captain Moroni
11-21-2012, 12:04 PM
Wow. I know Philly fans are getting more pissed off by the hour. But this could be a trick, from Bynum, so he doesnt have to play and he can just wait until Free Agency. He's that type of person.

So you think Bynum would rather not play? A trick? So actually he is healthy, he just doesn't want to play.
Is he fooling the doctors? Using someone else's knees for the MRI?
He's that type of person? Huh?

Captain Moroni
11-21-2012, 12:09 PM
The Sixers aren't big losers here at all. They only traded an overpaid Andre Iguodala who had been the topic of trade rumors every season for the last 3-4 years. AI is a solid player, but not a franchise guy by any means.

Does it suck to not have Bynum healthy and playing, sure. But Philly isn't playing bad right now and they probably are better now even without Bynum than they were last season. They'll be fine.

Of course getting AB back would help, hope he recovers.

Iggy could have been traded for someone other than Bynum.

Swashcuff
11-21-2012, 12:12 PM
So you think Bynum would rather not play? A trick? So actually he is healthy, he just doesn't want to play.
Is he fooling the doctors? Using someone else's knees for the MRI?
He's that type of person? Huh?

If I say what that poster is I'd receive an infraction. If Bynum doesn't play for Philly and the concerns about his health get greater he isn't going to get anything near the max he at least had to show that he can actually get back on the floor before any team will be willing to take such a gamble on him. Only a complete idiot would think Bynum would get multiple doctors to lie about his health so that he doesn't have to play for a certain team. Pay that poster no mind.

HouRealCoach
11-21-2012, 12:14 PM
This should be an example for other teams to quit bending over for the Lakers lol

The basketball gods have spoken and hopefully the lesson is learned :nod:

Chronz
11-21-2012, 12:16 PM
LOL and to think the Lakers were going to trade for Ralph Sampson before his injuries. Man they have been dodging bullets for decades now

2-ONE-5
11-21-2012, 12:21 PM
A healthy Bynum is the difference between a possible dynasty (one more move) and possible mediocrity for a long time to come. We're not just fine we need him healthy.

um at the moment, yes we are fine. Obviously in order to be a contender this team needs Bynum. But we are still in posotion to recover. This is still a top 6 team without him for this year in the East.

Gibby23
11-21-2012, 12:23 PM
A healthy Bynum is the difference between a possible dynasty (one more move) and possible mediocrity for a long time to come. We're not just fine we need him healthy.

Lol... What?

GiantsSwaGG
11-21-2012, 12:23 PM
Like I said, the sixers were stupid to make that trade

Swashcuff
11-21-2012, 12:26 PM
Lol... What?

With the strides that Jrue has made is season had we added one more all star calibre player with a healthy Bynum (26 and 15 potential) the 76ers could have been one of the top two teams in the east for years to come. Maybe a dynasty was a stretch but our future would have been promising.

RLundi
11-21-2012, 12:27 PM
With the strides that Jrue has made is season had we added one more all star calibre player with a healthy Bynum (26 and 15 potential) the 76ers could have been one of the top two teams in the east for years to come. Maybe a dynasty was a stretch but our future would have been promising.

Bingo.

Gibby23
11-21-2012, 12:28 PM
Like I said, the sixers were stupid to make that trade

They still got J Rich... All it took was a draft pick, some rookies, Iggy, and paying Bynum 16 million and his medical bills. Do you know how much an MRI costs? Bynum gets like 2 a week.

Gibby23
11-21-2012, 12:31 PM
With the strides that Jrue has made is season had we added one more all star calibre player with a healthy Bynum (26 and 15 potential) the 76ers could have been one of the top two teams in the east for years to come. Maybe a dynasty was a stretch but our future would have been promising.

Did you really ever think you would have a healthy Bynum? It has never happened in his career.

Won't Philly have enough money for 2 max players in the coming year?

HOZ THE KNICK
11-21-2012, 12:34 PM
well at lease the sixers get a chance to sign and trade his azz at the end of the season.

nycericanguy
11-21-2012, 12:37 PM
I just don't think banking on Bynum as your franchise player was a smart move. The chances of it going bad were much greater than the chances of it going good. Injury prone + immature is not a good combo.

PHI could have kept Brand, kept Vucevic who is only 22 and already averaging nearly a double double, kept Harkless who has potential, and kept their pick.

Add to that a package they could have gotten for Iggy, and PHI would be in real good shape. I mean imagine getting Afflalo & a 1st from DEN straight up for Iggy. Afflalo would have been the PERFECT Doug Collins type two guard to play alongside Holiday. And I'm pretty sure they could have gotten even more for Iggy. But at bare minimum we know DEN would have traded AAA + a first.

sp1derm00
11-21-2012, 12:37 PM
Bynum is such a **** up.

I mean, I understand that he's young and enjoys bowling. I get it.

Something like this just tells me he doesn't take basketball seriously, and that to me, is why he's only the second best center in the league (if that, anymore). He has the size, length, and talent to be the best, but he just doesn't care to.

Fresno
11-21-2012, 12:39 PM
well at lease the sixers get a chance to sign and trade his azz at the end of the season.

Who would want him?

There are already questions about his love for the game, but now its a huge question if he can even play the game.

richiesaurus310
11-21-2012, 12:41 PM
I havent seen anybody talk about how unbelievably lucky the Lakers were for being able to trade away Bynum. Imagine if Orlando did figure out a trade with Brooklyn or Houston.

RLundi
11-21-2012, 12:44 PM
I havent seen anybody talk about how unbelievably lucky the Lakers were for being able to trade away Bynum. Imagine if Orlando did figure out a trade with Brooklyn or Houston.

Lucky? More like douche-baggy. Or maybe 'savvy.' Some reports are the Lakers traded Andrew knowing he was damaged goods.

That being said, I'm glad we declined.

heyman321
11-21-2012, 12:44 PM
An orthopedic surgeon can can give a hypothesis on the situation on vague reports & specifically patient history. Oh wait, how would he know about this? I mean its not like Bynum doesn't have documented knee injuries that the public knows about.

If the average fan can clearly see Bynum's knees are messed up, why are you questioning a surgeon's opinion considering he's seen cases like this all before but can give specific issues for what is causing it?

This whole situation with Bynum over the years has been sad enough.

Not even trying to argue with you. :cool:

That is such a fallacious assumption. Yeah he can hypothesize, but I can also say that Bynum will tear a crotch muscle the next time he bowls, based on prior documented injuries.

This headline was purely to get views, and judging by the responses in this thread, it's working.

Jbendz
11-21-2012, 12:48 PM
My sports life gets better and better every ****ing day.

LAKERMANIA
11-21-2012, 12:54 PM
Man this is sad to hear.. From someone who enjoyed watching him play while on the Lakers, he had so much promise, it's sad that he was so injury-prone and he was such a moron..

Gibby23
11-21-2012, 12:56 PM
Lucky? More like douche-baggy. Or maybe 'savvy.' Some reports are the Lakers traded Andrew knowing he was damaged goods.That being said, I'm glad we declined.

Everybody knew that. Orlando kne it, Philly knew it, all of PSD knew it. Philly thought what if he can make it through a year or 2 and they went for it.

PleaseBeNice
11-21-2012, 01:07 PM
i hate bynum

Cromedome
11-21-2012, 01:16 PM
He's too damn tall to go bowling anyway. Wtf was he doing?

Kobe2324
11-21-2012, 01:43 PM
oh wow am I glad the lakers got rid of him, of course i never wishes this upon him i thought his knee trouble were more freak accidents then anything he was doing, I wanted him gone because of his attitude and lazyness but I would say we got rid of him just on time..., Hope he makes back though, sooner rather than later

SteBO
11-21-2012, 01:56 PM
Lol it's this sort of news that makes you wonder if the Lakers truly just own the league. I feel terrible for Bynum, for he just has sooo much promise, and I feel for PHI because they were really looking forward to having this guy as a cornerstone to build around for a winning product. However, it wouldn't shock me in the least if LAL knew it could eventually come to this, and then manage to get Dwight Howard out of it. Unbelievable.....

But in all seriousness, get well soon Bynum. Wishing you the very best man.

Gibby23
11-21-2012, 02:06 PM
Lol it's this sort of news that makes you wonder if the Lakers truly just own the league. I feel terrible for Bynum, for he just has sooo much promise, and I feel for PHI because they were really looking forward to having this guy as a cornerstone to build around for a winning product. However, it wouldn't shock me in the least if LAL knew it could eventually come to this, and then manage to get Dwight Howard out of it. Unbelievable.....

But in all seriousness, get well soon Bynum. Wishing you the very best man.

They did and the information has been out there for everyone to read. Gary Vitti once said Bynum has lose joints and that will be a problem he always has.

SteBO
11-21-2012, 02:17 PM
They did and the information has been out there for everyone to read. Gary Vitti once said Bynum has lose joints and that will be a problem he always has.
That's really unfortunate for Drew. Business is business, so I'm in no way crucifying the Lakers here. They did what had to be done. I'm just sorry for the Sixers franchise. An opportunity for a real talent to put alongside the quality players they have in place might have just come in, and then out the back door in the blink of an eye. Let's hope they have another plan in place in case this the door officially shuts on the Bynum experiment....

KB-Pau-DH2012
11-21-2012, 02:18 PM
Lmao "the magic front office is soooooo stupid"

They still are. Even I'll admit that BKN's offer of Lopez, Marshon and picks was better instead of Afflalo and crap with protected first round picks.

knicks=love
11-21-2012, 02:20 PM
it's definitely the weight of his hair putting stress on his knees.

knicks=love
11-21-2012, 02:22 PM
Wow. I know Philly fans are getting more pissed off by the hour. But this could be a trick, from Bynum, so he doesnt have to play and he can just wait until Free Agency. He's that type of person.

yeah, even after he said that he would be open to playing here since it's remotely close to where he grew up? you honestly think that he's just sitting out to make $16 million and not play the game he loves? you never fail to amaze me. :facepalm:

Swashcuff
11-21-2012, 02:26 PM
Did you really ever think you would have a healthy Bynum? It has never happened in his career.

After last season there was hope that his injury history was behind him and since the injuries which he sustained never really limited his ability to play basketball its not wrong to assume that he could stay relatively healthy in the coming years. At the point of his trade injuries weren't a major concern because he was protected to be healthy by the start of the season.


Won't Philly have enough money for 2 max players in the coming year?

Not this coming year thanks to the signings of Brown, Hawes, Young, Wright and trade of JRich but next year it would be a possibility and there is still the trade market. People would have said there is no way Brooklyn could have put that team together with the contracts they had but guess what they were able to. They are by no means a dynasty or even contenders but coming from where they were at its a complete turnaround in terms of talent and spending.

Jesse2272
11-21-2012, 02:28 PM
Wow :speechless:

AddiX
11-21-2012, 03:24 PM
Lakers stay getting big men for nothing.

Its completely ridiculous, yeah, I mad...

RaiderLakersA's
11-21-2012, 03:31 PM
Damn, I was hoping to see Bynum and his new Philly 'fro in action THIS year.

RaiderLakersA's
11-21-2012, 03:32 PM
Lakers stay getting big men for nothing.

Its completely ridiculous, yeah, I mad...

I can't lie, you just made me laugh really, really loudly in a dead quiet office.

masTOR_shake1
11-21-2012, 03:36 PM
duhh, product of the l.a hype machine. greg oden 2.0.

xxplayerxx23
11-21-2012, 03:37 PM
One of Pat Riley projects...

Why wouldn't he sign with the HEAT, he gets to win rings, while trying to heal up; win win.

:facepalm: somebody will give him more then the MLE.

He115ing
11-21-2012, 03:46 PM
Wow never saw that coming!
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Jesse2272
11-21-2012, 03:51 PM
After last season there was hope that his injury history was behind him and since the injuries which he sustained never really limited his ability to play basketball its not wrong to assume that he could stay relatively healthy in the coming years. At the point of his trade injuries weren't a major concern because he was protected to be healthy by the start of the season.



Not this coming year thanks to the signings of Brown, Hawes, Young, Wright and trade of JRich but next year it would be a possibility and there is still the trade market. People would have said there is no way Brooklyn could have put that team together with the contracts they had but guess what they were able to. They are by no means a dynasty or even contenders but coming from where they were at its a complete turnaround in terms of talent and spending.

Sorry Swash was really looking forward to see him on the floor for the 6ers

MickeyMgl
11-21-2012, 07:32 PM
Not too long ago we all thought these guys would be 2 of the Elite big men in the NBA.


Not all of us.


How could you not think Bynum or Oden would be All Stars?

Both of these guys were young, skilled, and had great potential.

First you said "Elite big men", with a capital E. Now you're saying "All Stars".

SACNYY
11-21-2012, 07:34 PM
That sucks. Poor Sixers got the wrong end of the trade.

MackShock
11-21-2012, 07:37 PM
Lakers trade rape someone yet again...

SugeKnight
11-21-2012, 07:37 PM
Bynum-Heat 2012

MickeyMgl
11-21-2012, 07:41 PM
You would have been wrong for doing so. Who else had greater potential+present production back then? Save for Dwight..

"Would have been wrong" is your opinion. The empirical fact is, I was right.

In a mediocre field, being 2nd best for a season at most does not automatically define a center as "elite". The fact is, Bynum was much closer to #3 (M. Gasol) than he ever was to #1 (Howard). Only Howard truly qualifies as an elite center in the NBA today.

MackShock
11-21-2012, 07:43 PM
milk

JJ_JKidd
11-21-2012, 08:03 PM
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20121119/SPORTS03/121118014/Exclusive-Evidence-shows-76ers-Bynum-likely-out-season?gcheck=1&nclick_check=1

Not surprising, but its still sad.


Here are doctor quotes on this situation:

Bad for Sixers obv. Then again Dwight Howard continue to pile up those double doubles. :facepalm:

MickeyMgl
11-21-2012, 08:11 PM
LOL and to think the Lakers were going to trade for Ralph Sampson before his injuries. Man they have been dodging bullets for decades now

Kupchak karma. Mitch was the big-deal million-dollar free agent signed to be the starting PF for the Lakers in 1981, and he immediately went down with a for-all-intents-and-purposes career-ending knee injury 26 games into his first season with them.

Zefflin
11-21-2012, 08:27 PM
D12 for nothing. Amazing is an understatement.

kylem4711
11-21-2012, 08:37 PM
ha, bynum is an idiot anyway. f him

Chronz
11-21-2012, 08:53 PM
"Would have been wrong" is your opinion. The empirical fact is, I was right.
Only if you predicted neither would ever remain healthy again. In terms of projecting actual on court dominance, you wont be able to name 2 other centers with greater potential.


In a mediocre field, being 2nd best for a season at most does not automatically define a center as "elite". The fact is, Bynum was much closer to #3 (M. Gasol) than he ever was to #1 (Howard). Only Howard truly qualifies as an elite center in the NBA today.
I dont see any facts here, statistically speaking Bynum was definitely closer to Dwight than Gasol. Thats not even counting his defensive presence which the stats ignore.

What you said would be true for Oden but thats only because he was a newb to the league, young Oden was putting up the kind of production that took Gasol years to start pouring on.

TrAv=MaGiCfReAk
11-21-2012, 09:28 PM
They still are. Even I'll admit that BKN's offer of Lopez, Marshon and picks was better instead of Afflalo and crap with protected first round picks.

Lol how were there picks gonna be any better then the picks we got when they had Dwight on there team?

Also although I like Lopez and he looks good so far this year he is still not someone I wanna pay 15 mill a year too ... I'd much rather what we got and have plenty of cap space to rebuild

310Casper
11-21-2012, 09:55 PM
D12 for nothing. Amazing is an understatement.

Kupchack: GM or magician?

LakersA's49ers
11-21-2012, 10:27 PM
Hope its not true. I love watching this guy play

MickeyMgl
11-22-2012, 08:02 PM
Only if you predicted neither would ever remain healthy again.

Re: Bynum, why should I have assumed that Bynum would suddenly remain healthy after his first "full", healthy season as a full-time starter, managing to play 60 of the Lakers' 66 games? After a pro career full of knee injuries, which followed a HS career full of knee injuries, which followed surgeries and injuries going all the way back to the age of 12. Anybody who ignored all that would have to be an absolute fool.

Even healthy, he has been good, but not "elite". He's too slow-footed, and he's too disinterested defensively if he's not also scoring. That's not an elite player.

So yeah, I was right. He wasn't elite, he isn't elite, and he won't be elite. He was always, at best and in full health, a "good" center, marginal All-Star.




I dont see any facts here, statistically speaking Bynum was definitely closer to Dwight than Gasol. Thats not even counting his defensive presence which the stats ignore.

Well, statistically speaking, Gasol was actually better than Bynum defensively.

Chronz
11-22-2012, 10:22 PM
Re: Bynum, why should I have assumed that Bynum would suddenly remain healthy after his first "full", healthy season as a full-time starter, managing to play 60 of the Lakers' 66 games? After a pro career full of knee injuries, which followed a HS career full of knee injuries, which followed surgeries and injuries going all the way back to the age of 12. Anybody who ignored all that would have to be an absolute fool.
Like I said, if your prediction was that he would be hurt you would be right. If your prediction was that he wouldn't be one of the top 2-3 centers with Oden when healthy then you would be wrong.

Im not interested in the argument of predicting how healthy a player is, whatever chance he had of being healthy isnt my concern, just his abilities when able to play. If you had no hope for him ever being healthy then congrats, it looks like you may be right. I guess we are having different arguments, I took the post you quoted as assuming their projected greatness if not for injuries.




Even healthy, he has been good, but not "elite". He's too slow-footed, and he's too disinterested defensively if he's not also scoring. That's not an elite player.
Disinterested doesnt equate to poor defense so why the **** would I care? Hes still one of the better anchors in the game and its a good thing hes a good scorer too. Regardless he was definitely closer to Dwight than Marc. All objective evidence points to that being true.


So yeah, I was right. He wasn't elite, he isn't elite, and he won't be elite. He was always, at best and in full health, a "good" center, marginal All-Star.
You were right about him not being healthy, but utterly wrong about his abilities on the court.



Well, statistically speaking, Gasol was actually better than Bynum defensively.
How so?

bucketss
11-22-2012, 10:51 PM
lakers trading their garbage for stars...... YET AGAIN.

MickeyMgl
11-22-2012, 11:58 PM
Like I said, if your prediction was that he would be hurt you would be right. If your prediction was that he wouldn't be one of the top 2-3 centers with Oden when healthy then you would be wrong.

Im not interested in the argument of predicting how healthy a player is, whatever chance he had of being healthy isnt my concern, just his abilities when able to play.

So you believe that he can be an elite center without being able to stay healthy enough to play? 'Cause that's what we were talking about. Some of us didn't believe he'd ever be an elite center, period.

If you like, we can parse it out to whether or not his skills - in the parallel universe where he does not have frail knees - would have been good enough to be elite (which is not necessarily top 3 if it's a mediocre field). We disagree on that, too.



If you had no hope for him ever being healthy then congrats, it looks like you may be right. I guess we are having different arguments, I took the post you quoted as assuming their projected greatness if not for injuries.

Fair enough.

Corey
11-23-2012, 12:13 AM
I demand credit for getting to the RD finals with Bynum as my best player this year.

kblo247
11-23-2012, 01:29 AM
Is hard to get how anyone could predict Bynum to be healthy?

He had his first knee surgery at 12 years old and it wasn't sports related. He never played a full season of high school ball and had a knee surgery back then, to go with ankle and calf injuries from his weight. He was diagnosed with a skeletal problem that would lead to further injuries as Vitti had already said years ago, and he has a bad *** habit of standing under the rim straight legged which is taught as being a no no in youth leagues. He's only played one full nba season in his life, and that came when his minutes were very limited in his second year for a multitude of reasons including conditioning and attitude

And as for his on court abilities, ill trust Phil Jackson over any stat analysis, Odom finished any damn game out there that meaner something over him even when healthy because he was a liability on pick and roll, showing and recovering, and had to have guys funneled to him which hurt the ability of the team to close, while Odom and Pau at the 5 was versatile