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poleandreel
11-19-2012, 03:58 PM
So as it turns out, Kevin Martin fits in just as good, or even better than James Harden did. Durant is becoming a playmaker and making passes that make you think he's Lebron James.

Westbrook can pass (9 apg)...as was always true but for some reason people who don't watch the games call him a ball hog.

8-3 with a loss to the awesome Grizz after leading by 12 in that game. A loss to the Hawks after also leading by 12. And finally, a loss to the Spurs on a game winner after being up 3 with 25 seconds left.

Could be 11-0 but obviously things like this happen in the NBA and they are what their record says, although all losses are not equal.

Seems like they are still the favorites in the west having not lost a step while acclimating KMart into the rotation.

Thunder
Grizzlies
Spurs
Clippers
Lakers

As of right now that's the order I would go with in the west.

rocketfuel
11-19-2012, 03:59 PM
I still wonder what OKC would have looked like with Harden....just purely from an academic standpoint.

29$JerZ
11-19-2012, 04:02 PM
Well with Harden leaving Durant has to do more than simply score so him upping his rebounding and assist numbers is a great start. Might make him a better player in the end but that remains to be seen, it's only been 11 games

KB-Pau-DH2012
11-19-2012, 04:03 PM
Agree, they look pretty good to begin the season w/ Kevin Martin.

justinnum1
11-19-2012, 04:04 PM
they were always the favorites in the west and most likely will be coming out of the west. But the grizz and clippers are going to be stiff competition.

Baller1
11-19-2012, 04:04 PM
Still not happy losing Harden, but Martin is ****ing awesome. He might be the best pure shooter in the game... It's ridiculous how quickly and easily he makes shooting a basketball look.

Gram
11-19-2012, 04:05 PM
Kevin Martin.

KB-Pau-DH2012
11-19-2012, 04:05 PM
Still not happy losing Harden, but Martin is ****ing awesome. He might be the best pure shooter in the game... It's ridiculous how quickly and easily he makes shooting a basketball look.

Steve Nash says hi.

justinnum1
11-19-2012, 04:06 PM
Steve Nash says hi.

Yea, he says hi wearing his suit on the bench.

KB-Pau-DH2012
11-19-2012, 04:08 PM
Yea, he says hi wearing his suit on the bench.

Just like Wade, only Nash knows when to sit down and not embarrass himself on the court like a clown. :)

heyman321
11-19-2012, 04:10 PM
Yes he's passing more but his scoring average is way down, and before you say he scored 25 against the Dubs yesterday, it was against the Dubs.

Baller1
11-19-2012, 04:12 PM
Steve Nash says hi.

Well Martin is shooting 53% from deep and 95% from the line, and Nash hasn't even played. So right now, comparing the two as shooters is irrelevant.

Baller1
11-19-2012, 04:14 PM
Yes he's passing more but his scoring average is way down, and before you say he scored 25 against the Dubs yesterday, it was against the Dubs.

It's not like he scoring less efficiently though... He's still averaging 25 points on 16 shots. :shrug:

justinnum1
11-19-2012, 04:16 PM
Just like Wade, only Nash knows when to sit down and not embarrass himself on the court like a clown. :)

This isn't about wade. It's about you thinking a guy who has only played 2 games(and not played well) is playing better than Martin :facepalm:

justinnum1
11-19-2012, 04:16 PM
Well Martin is shooting 53% from deep and 95% from the line, and Nash hasn't even played. So right now, comparing the two as shooters is irrelevant.

exactly, nash will probably battle injuries all season long. He is like tissue paper.

GiantsSwaGG
11-19-2012, 04:18 PM
Kevin Martin can ball. That's why the Thunder won the trade. And they get draft picks

justinnum1
11-19-2012, 04:21 PM
Kevin Martin can ball. That's why the Thunder won the trade. And they get draft picks

Both teams won the trade imo.

tredigs
11-19-2012, 04:23 PM
Yes he's passing more but his scoring average is way down, and before you say he scored 25 against the Dubs yesterday, it was against the Dubs.

Before you say "he scored 25 against the dubs", realize that's what he's averaging on the season. 3rd in the league in scoring with LBJ. 25/11/5 with a ts% of 62%, WS/48 at .240 and upper elechon D. He is absolutely torching the league - best we've ever seen him play.


I still wonder what OKC would have looked like with Harden....just purely from an academic standpoint.

Academic? Not sure I get that, but rewatch the 2009-12 seasons for an idea of what it looks like?

Both teams came out better in the deal, although I'm not sure OKC fully comes out ahead for another 2 years. Unless KD can maintain this newfound facilitation and losing Harden is what the catalyst for it was. In that case, they will be tough to stop until the finals.

KB-Pau-DH2012
11-19-2012, 04:23 PM
This isn't about wade. It's about you thinking a guy who has only played 2 games(and not played well) is playing better than Martin :facepalm:

When did I say that?


We were discussing about who's the best pure shooter.


Just like how Ray Allen was horrible in shooting last yr w/ Boston in the playoffs due to injury, you guys still pursued him not based on last yr's playoff performance, but everything before that and what you know what he is capable of as being a knock down 3 pt shooter. Or else you would have gone after a guy like Jodie Meeks in free agency who was a better shooter than Ray Allen in the playoffs.

Same thing here, just because Nash hasn't played enough games this season doesn't take away from the fact that he is a proven pure shooter, and probably best in the game.



Oh, and get back to me when KMart actually has a 50-40-90% shooting yr for once, because Steve Nash has already done it in his career 4 or 5 times.

#BestPureShooterInTheGame

richiesaurus310
11-19-2012, 04:32 PM
So as it turns out, Kevin Martin fits in just as good, or even better than James Harden did. Durant is becoming a playmaker and making passes that make you think he's Lebron James.

Westbrook can pass (9 apg)...as was always true but for some reason people who don't watch the games call him a ball hog.

8-3 with a loss to the awesome Grizz after leading by 12 in that game. A loss to the Hawks after also leading by 12. And finally, a loss to the Spurs on a game winner after being up 3 with 25 seconds left.

Could be 11-0 but obviously things like this happen in the NBA and they are what their record says, although all losses are not equal.

Seems like they are still the favorites in the west having not lost a step while acclimating KMart into the rotation.

Thunder
Grizzlies
Spurs
Clippers
Lakers

As of right now that's the order I would go with in the west.

The Clippers have already beat the Grizzlies, Spurs, Lakers and Heat so how are they so low on your list?

albertajaysfan
11-19-2012, 04:35 PM
exactly, nash will probably battle injuries all season long. He is like tissue paper.

Do you remember when he couldn't see out of one eye and kept playing? Nash has been quite healthy over his career. He hasn't missed more then 10 games in a season since 2000-01. That is pretty damn impressive for a guy playing into his late 30s.

Ebbs
11-19-2012, 04:36 PM
Like I said. Martin will the scoring void and they got a lottery pick the Thunder did well.

poleandreel
11-19-2012, 05:11 PM
The Clippers have already beat the Grizzlies, Spurs, Lakers and Heat so how are they so low on your list?

I know they are good but I can't put them over the reigning western champs, the team that was in the WCF against them and currently 7-1 (Spurs), or the 8-1 Grizzlies who have also beaten all of the good teams:

OKC
Heat
Knicks

Plus, Vinny Del Negro is still the coach.

Blitzbolt
11-19-2012, 06:18 PM
The Thunder are Good but Harden had a Bigger impact then Kevin Martin.

Shooter<Playmaker

Swashcuff
11-19-2012, 06:39 PM
Despite shooting almost as bad as he did to start last season Russell Westbrook is playing some great ball. Has the highest AST% of his career (something you can expect to continue) with the lowest TO% and is showing signs that he's starting to get into the groove averaging 23.2 ppg, 9.4 apg, 5.2 rpg and 3.0 spg on 45.2% shooting from the field all with his usual stellar D.

Wait until Westbrook gets his game together the Thunder are going to be even more scary. Every season of his professional career he has increased his shooting from the field and decreased his TOV% and I see that happening this season once more especially given the improved playmaking by KD, offense by Ibaka and spacing by KMart the Thunder are just going to be blowing opposing teams out of the water with that offense.

John Walls Era
11-19-2012, 06:44 PM
Whats gonna happen in the playoffs when they'll rely on Westbrook to bring it up instead of Harden. Thats when things will get overblown. as long as they win their 50+ games now, no one will talk about the importance of Harden. During the playoffs, thats when everyone is going to evaluate the trade (fairly or unfairly).

Swashcuff
11-19-2012, 06:45 PM
The Thunder are Good but Harden had a Bigger impact then Kevin Martin.

Shooter<Playmaker

Wrong wrong wrong just couldn't be more wrong. It depends on team needs in no way shape or form is a playmaker>shooter without applying context. Peak Brandon Roy isn't more valuable than peak Ray Allen. Its all a matter of what's the team needs. If you have LeBron James and prime Jason Kidd on the same team you'd want your two guard to offer some sort of shooting ability to play of their playmaking ability.

With Westbrook passing better than ever and Durant looking more and more like the complete offense player with his improved playmaking ability Kevin Martin's shooting ability is immensely important. Not saying that Harden wasn't but the type of spacing Martin gives is a whole other dynamic for the Thunder. Harden is a better player than Martin no doubt IMO but in terms of scoring ability as a 6th man KMart will be equally as valuable hell maybe even more.

John Walls Era
11-19-2012, 06:49 PM
With Westbrook passing better than ever and Durant looking more and more like the complete offense player with his improved playmaking ability Kevin Martin's shooting ability is immensely important. Not saying that Harden wasn't but the type of spacing Martin gives is a whole other dynamic for the Thunder. Harden is a better player than Martin no doubt IMO but in terms of scoring ability as a 6th man KMart will be equally as valuable hell maybe even more.

No one denies Westy's talent. But he wants to be the man in big moments. We all saw this. Will he always look to make the right decision? We'll see.

Of course we won't see until the playoffs. Westbrook is from LA, he likes the limelight/closing minutes.

Swashcuff
11-19-2012, 06:58 PM
No one denies Westy's talent. But he wants to be the man in big moments. We all saw this. Will he always look to make the right decision? We'll see.

Of course we won't see until the playoffs. Westbrook is from LA, he likes the limelight/closing minutes.

So does James Harden so what's the point? It is something the coach and Durant loved in both Harden and Westy. Difference is Westy isn't as offensively gifted as Harden and KD nor does he have their IQ but in terms of production he has routinely been among the best clutch players in the league. I see nothing wrong with Westy wanting to be one of the go to players.

We've seen it time and time again where Westbrook has deferred late to both Harden (most famously late in the close out game against Dallas when Westy's shots weren't falling throughout the first 3 quarters) and KD more so than when he wanted to shine why don't you focus on that?

8kobe24
11-19-2012, 06:59 PM
Steve Nash says hi.


Yea, he says hi wearing his suit on the bench.


This isn't about wade. It's about you thinking a guy who has only played 2 games(and not played well) is playing better than Martin :facepalm:

Kobe says hi.

justinnum1
11-19-2012, 07:01 PM
Kobe says hi.

Ok. Lebron says hi back.
:confused:

JasonJohnHorn
11-19-2012, 07:13 PM
for some reason people who don't watch the games call him a ball hog.

I think it's the people who DO watch the game that call him a ball hog ;-)

b@llhog24
11-19-2012, 11:31 PM
Kobe says hi.

What is he the door keeper or something? :confused:

Baller1
11-20-2012, 04:52 AM
Despite shooting almost as bad as he did to start last season Russell Westbrook is playing some great ball. Has the highest AST% of his career (something you can expect to continue) with the lowest TO% and is showing signs that he's starting to get into the groove averaging 23.2 ppg, 9.4 apg, 5.2 rpg and 3.0 spg on 45.2% shooting from the field all with his usual stellar D.

Wait until Westbrook gets his game together the Thunder are going to be even more scary. Every season of his professional career he has increased his shooting from the field and decreased his TOV% and I see that happening this season once more especially given the improved playmaking by KD, offense by Ibaka and spacing by KMart the Thunder are just going to be blowing opposing teams out of the water with that offense.

This is exactly what people are ignoring. Westbrook started off even worse last season and every panicked... Oh what a terrible season he ended up having!

joseph aka Jman
11-20-2012, 06:32 AM
Kobe says hi.

Luke Walton IS the best pure shooter guys come on