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murphturph
11-16-2012, 11:09 PM
Who do you guys think has the better starting unit? The Grizz or Nets?

M. Conley Vs. D.Will
T. Allen Vs. J. Johnson
R. Gay Vs. G. Wallace
Z. Randolph Vs. K. Humphries
M. Gasol Vs. B. Lopez

Tough call

29$JerZ
11-16-2012, 11:10 PM
Memphis destroys that starting 5

jmoney85
11-16-2012, 11:11 PM
they have a better front court but ill take the nets backcourt

jmoney85
11-16-2012, 11:12 PM
Memphis destroys that starting 5

of course from a knick fan.... maybe we can have some non-biased comments

murphturph
11-16-2012, 11:13 PM
I don't know if they "destroy it"

jmoney85
11-16-2012, 11:14 PM
I don't know if they "destroy it"

hes a knick fan... of course hes going to say that lol

Chronz
11-16-2012, 11:15 PM
Fun fact, Memphis has been wining on the strength of its bench.

yaswaggin
11-16-2012, 11:16 PM
Fun fact, Memphis has been wining on the strength of its bench.

So have the Knicks

jmoney85
11-16-2012, 11:16 PM
memphis is solid... they can get really far

jmoney85
11-16-2012, 11:16 PM
So have the Knicks

what does that have anything to do with this thread?

bucketss
11-16-2012, 11:17 PM
Memphis destroys that starting 5

29$JerZ
11-16-2012, 11:19 PM
of course from a knick fan.... maybe we can have some non-biased comments

There is no bias here.

Your backcourt is the only good thing that would do damage against Memphis, their 3, 4 and 5 wouldn't even give you guys a chance at a rebound.

They have a much better and well rounded starting 5 than the nets, and they actually play D.

Jets012
11-16-2012, 11:27 PM
There is no bias here.

Your backcourt is the only good thing that would do damage against Memphis, their 3, 4 and 5 wouldn't even give you guys a chance at a rebound.

They have a much better and well rounded starting 5 than the nets, and they actually play D.

LOL Wut? While I agree that Memphis has a very good starting 5, that is a terrible argument. Gerald Wallace is one of the best rebounders at the 3 position. Averaged around 8 the last 3 seasons. Wallace is a better rebounder than Gay (who is extremely overrated in my opinion, good player, but not great.) Not going to lie, ZBo is a great rebounder and player but Humphries was top 5 in the league last year. And for as good as a player as Marc Gasol is, he has never averaged double digit rebounds, only averaging 7 per game this year. So why Lopez is a bad rebounder, Marc Gasol is just an average one too.

Overall, their starting lineups are both very equal. I do love Memphis' balance throughout the starting lineup, but since I am biased, I'll take the Nets starting 5 over the Grizz, also think that D-Will is the best player.

Gram
11-16-2012, 11:29 PM
The backcourt Brooklyn. Frontcourt Memphis and it's not even close. Anyone who thinks otherwise their name is DoMeFavors or waveycrockett.

netsgiantsyanks
11-16-2012, 11:29 PM
Who do you guys think has the better starting unit? The Grizz or Nets?

M. Conley Vs. D.Will
T. Allen Vs. J. Johnson
R. Gay Vs. G. Wallace
Z. Randolph Vs. K. Humphries
M. Gasol Vs. B. Lopez

Tough call

d will>>>>> conley
joe johnson>>>allen
rudy gay>>g wallace
zach randolph>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hump
marc gasol>>>lopez

i'll take the grizzlies front court and the nets back court.

jmoney85
11-16-2012, 11:31 PM
d will>>>>> conley
joe johnson>>>allen
rudy gay>>g wallace
zach randolph>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hump
marc gasol>>>lopez

i'll take the grizzlies back court and the nets front court.

you take the grizzlies backcourt but you said the nets are better?... what? lol

knicks=love
11-16-2012, 11:36 PM
d will>>>>> conley
joe johnson>>>allen
rudy gay>>g wallace
zach randolph>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hump
marc gasol>>>lopez

i'll take the grizzlies back court and the nets front court.

god i hope you're drunk

knicks=love
11-16-2012, 11:37 PM
the grizzlies front court is just too much of an advantage for it to be as close as some may think. obviously brooklyn's back court is nice, but tony allen and conley jr are studs on defense and insanely underrated by everyone.

29$JerZ
11-16-2012, 11:38 PM
LOL Wut? While I agree that Memphis has a very good starting 5, that is a terrible argument. Gerald Wallace is one of the best rebounders at the 3 position. Averaged around 8 the last 3 seasons. Wallace is a better rebounder than Gay (who is extremely overrated in my opinion, good player, but not great.) Not going to lie, ZBo is a great rebounder and player but Humphries was top 5 in the league last year. And for as good as a player as Marc Gasol is, he has never averaged double digit rebounds, only averaging 7 per game this year. So why Lopez is a bad rebounder, Marc Gasol is just an average one too.

Overall, their starting lineups are both very equal. I do love Memphis' balance throughout the starting lineup, but since I am biased, I'll take the Nets starting 5 over the Grizz, also think that D-Will is the best player.
G
With Gasol/Zach Brooklyn is not going to get any offensive boards.
Crash who I love isn't exactly going to stop Rudy Gay.
Lopez/Humphries/Crash aren't going to do anything to that front court unless they are perfect from away the paint.

Deron may be the best player but how exactly would that starting 5 defend Memphis squad enough for them to outscore them?

bucketss
11-16-2012, 11:38 PM
d will>>>>> conley
joe johnson>>>allen
rudy gay>>g wallace
zach randolph>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hump
marc gasol>>>lopez

i'll take the grizzlies back court and the nets front court.

:laugh:

jmoney85
11-16-2012, 11:40 PM
G
With Gasol/Zach Brooklyn is not going to get any offensive boards.
Crash who I love isn't exactly going to stop Rudy Gay.
Lopez/Humphries/Crash aren't going to do anything to that front court unless they are perfect from away the paint.

Deron may be the best player but how exactly would that starting 5 defend Memphis squad enough for them to outscore them?

just stop posting forever please

29$JerZ
11-16-2012, 11:43 PM
just stop posting forever please

No
Answer my Question

Nick O
11-16-2012, 11:44 PM
on paper id say the nets escpecially in their primes... but i think right now memphis is slightly better

jmoney85
11-16-2012, 11:45 PM
No
Answer my Question

your question deserved no response when you said the nets wouldnt grab an offensive rebound with gasol/randolph on the floor

b@llhog24
11-16-2012, 11:45 PM
Grizzlies.

b@llhog24
11-16-2012, 11:46 PM
the grizzlies front court is just too much of an advantage for it to be as close as some may think. Obviously brooklyn's back court is nice, but tony allen and conley jr are studs on defense and insanely underrated by everyone.

+1

JerseysFinest
11-16-2012, 11:47 PM
There is no bias here.

Your backcourt is the only good thing that would do damage against Memphis, their 3, 4 and 5 wouldn't even give you guys a chance at a rebound.

They have a much better and well rounded starting 5 than the nets, and they actually play D.

At the very least, I would expect the Nets to hold their own against them. Nets aren't the best defensive team, but coming from someone who's pretty much seen every Nets game thus far, they're slowly but surely improving on that front. Memphis would most likely win due to their experience and strogner commitment to playing defense, but the disparities between the two teams aren't THAT far apart like some people on here are making it seem imo.

By the way, I'm pretty sure netsgiantsyanks meant he'd take the Nets backcourt and Grizzlies frontcourt.

netsgiantsyanks
11-16-2012, 11:49 PM
i meant the nets back court and the grizzlies front court. :o

JerseysFinest
11-16-2012, 11:51 PM
your question deserved no response when you said the nets wouldnt grab an offensive rebound with gasol/randolph on the floor

It would be very interesting to see the rebound battle between the two teams. Both Gasol and evidently Zach Randolph are great rebounders, but I'd love to see them work against guys like Reggie Evans, Kris Humphries, and Andray Blatche, who so far has proved he's a decent offensive rebounder.

jmoney85
11-16-2012, 11:51 PM
i meant the nets back court and the grizzlies front court. :o

ninja edit on the embarrassed emoticon lol

netsgiantsyanks
11-16-2012, 11:54 PM
:shrug:

JOhnnyTHaJet
11-17-2012, 12:00 AM
Memphis by a hair, but it's close. Brooklyn dominates the back court while the Grizzlies would handle Lopez and Hump on offense. It would then come down to Gay vs Wallace and while IMO Wallace is better than many think around here he is not better than Gay.

So in result Memphis would win that starting 5 challenge.

Keep in mind I am a Nets fan.

murphturph
11-17-2012, 12:09 AM
Interesting Responses. I'd fave to agree with Memphis being better tho... Conley and allen are both really good also

Greedy22
11-17-2012, 12:11 AM
Memphis by a hair, but it's close. Brooklyn dominates the front court while the Grizzlies would handle Lopez and Hump on offense. It would then come down to Gay vs Wallace and while IMO Wallace is better than many think around here he is not better than Gay.

So in result Memphis would win that starting 5 challenge.

Keep in mind I am a Nets fan.

You mean backcourt, right? :)

tnewkirk
11-17-2012, 12:20 AM
nets, lopez has been outplaying gasol so far.

Baller1
11-17-2012, 12:23 AM
Talent-wise on paper, it's the Nets. But Memphis has the more balanced, and therefore, better overall starting five.

BradHolt4CYoung
11-17-2012, 12:40 AM
Right now I would take the Grizzlies because there chemistry on the floor together is amazing, since they have been together a while. Once the Nets new 5 get more used to each other(Lopez hurt almost all last year, Wallace was only a Net for 2 weeks, Johnson was a Hawk) I take the Nets starting 5.

Robbw241
11-17-2012, 12:42 AM
Right now, the Memphis 5 might be the best in the NBA. At least they are playing like it

JOhnnyTHaJet
11-17-2012, 12:45 AM
You mean backcourt, right? :)

lmao nice catch. I must be drinking the same stuff NetsGiantsYanks is.

netsgiantsyanks
11-17-2012, 12:48 AM
Hahahaha nice catch. I must be drinking the same stuff NetsGiantsYanks is.

-.-

JOhnnyTHaJet
11-17-2012, 12:52 AM
-.-

Hahahahhaa

PatsSoxKnicks
11-17-2012, 12:52 AM
Well Brook Lopez is >>>>>>>> Hakeem so clearly its the Nets starting lineup.

netsgiantsyanks
11-17-2012, 12:53 AM
Well Brook Lopez is >>>>>>>> Hakeem so clearly its the Nets starting lineup.

good one. hahahahahah






not.

N3TS
11-17-2012, 05:22 AM
Grizzlies IMO.

Kyben36
11-17-2012, 05:35 AM
I really like Memphis talent wise, but I dont think they will ever put it together without better coaching. also, I ****ing hate Zack randolph

TheNumber37
11-17-2012, 06:43 AM
Live in Brooklyn, pulling for the Knicks this year...
Memphis kills them (front court dominance alone)
D will would be guarded by Tony Allen for stretches would be a concern for the nets.
Also JJ is not playing nearly as well as Conley or Gay

Heediot
11-17-2012, 07:18 AM
Backcourt - Nets
Frontcourt - Grizz
Balance - Grizz
Overall - Grizz

Heediot
11-17-2012, 07:20 AM
There is no bias here.

Your backcourt is the only good thing that would do damage against Memphis, their 3, 4 and 5 wouldn't even give you guys a chance at a rebound.



Humphies is a great rebounder, he has a nose for the ball you cannot discount that. Gerald Wallce is one of the best rebouding SF's as well.

bigbeardaboss
11-17-2012, 07:37 AM
Memphis

MetroMan
11-17-2012, 08:29 AM
griz

jericho
11-17-2012, 09:30 AM
while williams joe johnson are better than allen and conley offensively on the defensive side conley and allen are way better than them and lets not forget that johnson is not the johnson that we used to know we dont really need to talk bout the rest of the guys hell wallace barely plays

RonE Coleman
11-17-2012, 09:49 AM
LMAO how is this still open? Memphis by a landslide

DanG
11-17-2012, 10:24 AM
Memphis pretty easily.

2-ONE-5
11-17-2012, 10:42 AM
whats with the random comparison? Anyway the Grizz are a top 3 team right now, nets are from it...

theheatles
11-17-2012, 10:43 AM
Memphis should be getting love as a top 3 team in the whole league, and the hottest team in the league at the moment. It is complete disrespect for a thread to be up about the Grizz being compared to the Nets.

D2theJ
11-17-2012, 10:45 AM
I give it to the Griz, but definitely wouldn't say its a blow out.

I'll take DWill and Johnson over Conely and Allen

I'll take Gasol and Randolph over Hump and Lopez

But with Gay and Wallace, I'd take Gay but not by a ton. I had Gay in fantasy so i followed him a lot more and thought his shot selection was questionable for a guy so athletic, jacked up a lot of shots.

But yeah the Grizzlies starting lineup is my favorite in the league very balanced. I think when the Nets gel more and Wallace is healthy they have a pretty balanced starting lineup as well. Gotta give the Nets probably half the season before we see more what they will be.

JasonJohnHorn
11-17-2012, 11:04 AM
I dunno... this is a close one. I think the Nets backcourt if obviously better, but the edge for the front court goes to Memphis... if Lopez was a better rebounder I'd give it to BK, but as is, I'd give it to Memphis.

HouRealCoach
11-17-2012, 11:15 AM
I thought DMF made this thread

This is no competition.. Memphis easily

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 11:19 AM
memphis by a mudslide

Lakers4life08
11-17-2012, 11:44 AM
M. Conley<<<D.Will
T. Allen.<<<J. Johnson
R. Gay >>>G. Wallace
Z. Randolph >>>. K. Humphries
M. Gasol >>>. B. Lopez
Memphis wins

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 12:05 PM
brook lopez over gasol

#Shumpert Up
11-17-2012, 02:30 PM
Grizzlies basically have 3 all stars in their front court and conley/allen backcourt which is the best defensive backcourt in the league. Grizzlies by a mile. Nets lineup is good too, just not in the same tier as the Grizz.

Ch0ZSeN1
11-17-2012, 02:48 PM
Al Horford> Brook Lopez
Josh Smith > Kris Humphries
Joe Johnson never carried the hawks. Hawks never made it to the ECF. Even when they had Jamal Crawford, he was a better option than anyone on the nets bench. Besides for Deron Williams the Nets have no advantages over the Hawks roster. And let's face it if Rondo plays against them the other night that game is not even close. These Nets fans need a serious reality check. New city same franchise.

StarvingKnick22
11-17-2012, 02:55 PM
I love the margin :laugh:

xxplayerxx23
11-17-2012, 03:06 PM
brook lopez over gasol

Not a chance.

tnewkirk
11-17-2012, 03:19 PM
M. Conley<<<D.Will
T. Allen.<<<J. Johnson
R. Gay >>>G. Wallace
Z. Randolph >>>. K. Humphries
M. Gasol >>>. B. Lopez
Memphis wins

30mpg 6.6 rpg 2.6bbp 18.4 ppg vs 37mpg 7.1rpg 1.2 bpg 15.4 ppg

which one would you take?

tnewkirk
11-17-2012, 03:20 PM
Not a chance.

:facepalm:

30mpg 6.6 rpg 2.6bbp 18.4 ppg vs 37mpg 7.1rpg 1.2 bpg 15.4 ppg

mrblisterdundee
11-17-2012, 03:21 PM
The Grizzlies have the best front court in the NBA. Their starting five is one of the most balanced in the league, with Gay averaging 20 points per game and Randolph, Gasol and Conley all averaging about 15. Shooting guard is their only big weak spot, although Allen is great defensively.
It's close, but the Grizzlies' starting five are more talented overall.

Deron Williams vs. Mike Conley Jr.: Williams
Joe Johnson vs. Tony Allen: Johnson
Gerald Wallace vs. Rudy Gay: Gay
Kris Humphries vs. Zach Randolph: Randolph
Brook Lopez vs. Marc Gasol: Draw

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 03:22 PM
Not a chance.

knick fan speaking objectively

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 03:23 PM
The Grizzlies have the best front court in the NBA. Their starting five is one of the most balanced in the league, with Gay averaging 20 points per game and Randolph, Gasol and Conley all averaging about 15. Shooting guard is their only big weak spot.
It's close, but the Grizzlies' starting five are more talented overall.

no they dont

xxplayerxx23
11-17-2012, 03:27 PM
knick fan speaking objectively

Your a troll net fan, so ofcourse you would say Lopez>Gasol when EVERY other fanbase will say its not even close but alright.

mrblisterdundee
11-17-2012, 03:29 PM
no they dont

Yes, in fact; they do. Memphis is the best team in the entire NBA right now; they just beat the second-best team last night. Name a front court that's playing better right now, and that includes small forward, power forward and center.

thrice4
11-17-2012, 03:39 PM
Gasol and Randolph are not the best frontcourt and they won't ever be.

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 03:44 PM
Your a troll net fan, so ofcourse you would say Lopez>Gasol when EVERY other fanbase will say its not even close but alright.

lopez is having a better season than gasol right now... stop hating for once

xxplayerxx23
11-17-2012, 03:45 PM
lopez is having a better season than gasol right now... stop hating for once

7 games in? Good job, he still isnt the defender Gasol is a tough nosed player, Lopez is soft.

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 03:50 PM
7 games in? Good job, he still isnt the defender Gasol is a tough nosed player, Lopez is soft.

ok so gasol is tougher so he is better than lopez


great logic

tnewkirk
11-17-2012, 04:09 PM
ok so gasol is tougher so he is better than lopez


great logic

exactly lol, again nba has the most ignorant, biased, youngest fans out of all the sports.

MrfadeawayJB
11-17-2012, 04:17 PM
Any comparisons about player to player really means nothing. The question is best starting 5, best overall starting unit. Grizz have chemistry that very few teams have, so its not that close

the unknown
11-17-2012, 04:18 PM
I think even when stat comes back the grizz have the best front court

Ch0ZSeN1
11-17-2012, 04:23 PM
While Brook Lopez's offense may be better. Gasol is the better all around player. He scores, defends and rebounds.

MintBerryCrunch
11-17-2012, 04:26 PM
One of the least even polls I've seen in a long time

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 04:28 PM
While Brook Lopez's offense may be better. Gasol is the better all around player. He scores, defends and rebounds.

gasol passes and defends on the ball better...lopez is better in every other aspect of the game

xxplayerxx23
11-17-2012, 04:32 PM
ok so gasol is tougher so he is better than lopez


great logic

Better defender, rebounder, and even though Lopez is the better scorer Gasol is a good scorer.

xxplayerxx23
11-17-2012, 04:33 PM
:laugh: He said Lopez is a better rebounder.

BaddNewz
11-17-2012, 04:33 PM
On paper the Nets. But in real life the Grizz have shown so far that their better.

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 04:34 PM
:laugh: He said Lopez is a better rebounder.

he is

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 04:35 PM
this season brook is a better shot blocker, rebounder, scorer

superior
11-17-2012, 04:35 PM
There is no bias here.

Your backcourt is the only good thing that would do damage against Memphis, their 3, 4 and 5 wouldn't even give you guys a chance at a rebound.

They have a much better and well rounded starting 5 than the nets, and they actually play D.



bruh, Gerald Wallace is a MUCH better rebounder than Rudy Gay, 8 days out the week papo....I'm a bobcats fan I could care less about this argument but Wallace is one of the best rebounding 3's in the game. aldo, humphries aint no punk when it comes to rebounding, your point was horrible and i guarantee when memphis plays brooklyn the rebounding will be close to equal

BaddNewz
11-17-2012, 04:36 PM
:laugh: He said Lopez is a better rebounder.

He's a better rebounder than maybe Conley but then again.....:D

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 04:37 PM
gasols TRB = 11.3

brooks TRB = 13

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 04:37 PM
numbers dont lie haters

BaddNewz
11-17-2012, 04:38 PM
this season brook is a better shot blocker, rebounder, scorer

Seriously are we gonna build an argument off of 7 games? Seriously :confused:

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 04:40 PM
Seriously are we gonna build an argument off of 7 games? Seriously :confused:

well if people want to say a player is better than another I will use the MOST RECENT stats to prove my case

MackSnackWrap
11-17-2012, 04:46 PM
Memphis has the superior frountcourt and New Jersey has the better back court, so it comes down to R Gay vs G Wallace, and no doubt rudy wins that so Memphis.

superior
11-17-2012, 04:47 PM
how many rebounds yall think lopez would have if he played with z-bo??? mar gasol dont get rebounds cuz z-bo snatch um all up before he can get to um. whos doin that in brooklyn??? swap gasol and lopez and lopez will further be exposed....dude wouldnt get 5 rpg in memphis TRUE STORY

KnicksorBust
11-17-2012, 04:49 PM
d will>>>>> conley
joe johnson>>>allen
rudy gay>>g wallace
zach randolph>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hump
marc gasol>>>lopez

i'll take the grizzlies front court and the nets back court.

jrice would be proud.

mzgrizz
11-17-2012, 05:09 PM
93% of posters say GRIZZLIES

kyubi256
11-17-2012, 05:40 PM
M. Conley Vs. D.Will
T. Allen Vs. J. Johnson
R. Gay Vs. G. Wallace
Z. Randolph Vs. K. Humphries
M. Gasol Vs. B. Lopez

D. Will >>>>> Conley. Conley is good but D. Will is one of the best in the game.
J. Johnson = T. Allen = Allen makes up the offensive difference with his defense. He's the best perimeter defense out there.
R. Gay >>> G. Wallace. He is much better in both sides of the ball.
Z. Randolph >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> K. Humphries. The difference in play is outstanding. Randolph would eat Humphries for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
M. Gasol >>>>>> B. Lopez. It's actually not that close. Gasol is so much more physical, he'd destroy Lopez.

kyubi256
11-17-2012, 05:45 PM
this season brook is a better shot blocker, rebounder, scorer

This season Brook is a better shot blocker because New Jersey gives up more points in the paint (higher FG % and more PPG shows that). More opportunities up the lane so he gets more block opportunities.

He is a better rebounder because Zach Randolph takes all the rebounds for the Grizzles. While the Nets don't really have another rebounder. Also, not anymore. Now Gasol leads him in this category.

Better scorer because Marc has him beat in assists per game. He passes up the opportunities so his other teammates can get a higher percentage shot. Marc Gasol has 4.3 Assists per game. Brook Lopez has 0.9. That is a big factor as a big man who can pass is really hard to come by.

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 06:00 PM
how many rebounds yall think lopez would have if he played with z-bo??? mar gasol dont get rebounds cuz z-bo snatch um all up before he can get to um. whos doin that in brooklyn??? swap gasol and lopez and lopez will further be exposed....dude wouldnt get 5 rpg in memphis TRUE STORY

lol lopez plays with 3 of the current top 11 rebounders in the game.... nt idiot

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 06:01 PM
This season Brook is a better shot blocker because New Jersey gives up more points in the paint (higher FG % and more PPG shows that). More opportunities up the lane so he gets more block opportunities.

He is a better rebounder because Zach Randolph takes all the rebounds for the Grizzles. While the Nets don't really have another rebounder. Also, not anymore. Now Gasol leads him in this category.

Better scorer because Marc has him beat in assists per game. He passes up the opportunities so his other teammates can get a higher percentage shot. Marc Gasol has 4.3 Assists per game. Brook Lopez has 0.9. That is a big factor as a big man who can pass is really hard to come by.

you have got to be kidding me lol

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 06:01 PM
we are hitting an all time low with idiots on here

kyubi256
11-17-2012, 06:07 PM
lol lopez plays with 3 of the current top 11 rebounders in the game.... nt idiot

Wait what? Okay I fold with Humphries who averages 9.7 RPG but the next highest is Reggie Evans with 7.1. He's also #44 so where is the three of the top 11? They have 0 in the top 11. Humphries isn't even there (#14).

Although I'll give it to you. Brooklyn and Memphis are right there, neck in neck in rebounds so there is no advantage/disadvantage. But you are wrong in Brook beating him in RPG. It's 7.1 (Gasol) to 6.6 (Brook).

KnickaBocka.44
11-17-2012, 06:08 PM
this season brook is a better shot blocker, rebounder, scorer

Brook a better rebounder than Marc Gasol? Where are you getting your information?

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 06:21 PM
Brook a better rebounder than Marc Gasol? Where are you getting your information?

brook is rebounding better than gasol THIS SEASON

hugepatsfan
11-17-2012, 06:30 PM
well if people want to say a player is better than another I will use the MOST RECENT stats to prove my case

And 7 games into the season that makes you moron.

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 06:32 PM
Wait what? Okay I fold with Humphries who averages 9.7 RPG but the next highest is Reggie Evans with 7.1. He's also #44 so where is the three of the top 11? They have 0 in the top 11. Humphries isn't even there (#14).

Although I'll give it to you. Brooklyn and Memphis are right there, neck in neck in rebounds so there is no advantage/disadvantage. But you are wrong in Brook beating him in RPG. It's 7.1 (Gasol) to 6.6 (Brook).

TOTAL REBOUNDING RATE

Brook = 14.1

gasol = 11.1


brook has been the better rebounder this season

and lopez has a top 5 rebounder on the court with him at all times
http://www.hoopdata.com/advancedstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=%25&yr=2013&gp=0&mins=15

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 06:32 PM
And 7 games into the season that makes you moron.

so nobody uses this seasons stats for comparing players? okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

hugepatsfan
11-17-2012, 06:34 PM
so nobody uses this seasons stats for comparing players? okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

Sure, you can use them. But treating 7 games worth of stats the same as a full year's worth of stats is dumb, even by PSD NBA forum standards.

kyubi256
11-17-2012, 06:34 PM
brook is rebounding better than gasol THIS SEASON

But he isn't. That is what we are getting at. He is at 6.6 RPG and Gasol is at 7.1. Where are you getting your sources from?

You are extrapolating too much by accounting for their minutes per game.

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 06:37 PM
Sure, you can use them. But treating 7 games worth of stats the same as a full year's worth of stats is dumb, even by PSD NBA forum standards.

ignoring them is also dumb and ignorant.... numbers are numbers... there are no guidelines to where they are not allowable... of course anything in the favor of brook lopez means the stats shouldnt be allowed but if gasol was the better rebounder this year than the stats would be good to use

thats standard PSD forum logic

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 06:38 PM
But he isn't. That is what we are getting at. He is at 6.6 RPG and Gasol is at 7.1. Where are you getting your sources from?

You are extrapolating too much by accounting for their minutes per game.

advanced stats tell the truth

basketball-reference.com or hoopdata.com

jmoney85
11-17-2012, 06:40 PM
But he isn't. That is what we are getting at. He is at 6.6 RPG and Gasol is at 7.1. Where are you getting your sources from?

You are extrapolating too much by accounting for their minutes per game.


TOTAL REBOUNDING RATE

Brook = 14.1

gasol = 11.1

PatriotsGirl
11-17-2012, 07:24 PM
Grizzlies, folks. All the way.

ohreally
11-17-2012, 08:17 PM
If Net's backcourt was playing to their level as well as the Grizz front court has been, the Nets would have a better recod, and it may have come from mostly subpar comp, but their record now is pretty good.

Hump can be a great rebounder, Wallace can be solid, and I don't think Gasol is all that far above Lopez, but he is a better defender and better at drawing a defense and finding the open man, so yes, he is better. The big difference is Zach, Whois still underrated overall. Zach is an unnatural rebounder and can take over a game with his rebounding, tenacity, and determination. Zach is the real difference maker to me. I love the Grizz overall and think Hollins is a better coach than he generally gets credit for.

I'm finding myself drawn by my Brooklyn roots to be pulling for the Nets to do well. But in style of play the Grizz are my favorite team in the league. I also picked them to win the chip this year, so I gotta go with Grizz.

torocan
11-17-2012, 10:09 PM
Memphis and it isn't even close.

Sorry, Lopez will be lucky to pull down 5 rebounds against the Memphis front court. This isn't boxscore vs boxscore, this is about who will DOMINATE the glass, and it sure won't be any front court with Brooke Lopez.

The Nets don't have the size to stop Memphis in the paint, AND their back court are pretty darn good perimeter defenders.

Cute idea though.

#knickstape
11-17-2012, 11:04 PM
Grizzlies

mrblisterdundee
11-18-2012, 02:03 AM
he is

No, in fact; he isn't. Brook Lopez averages 6.6 rebounds, fifty-fourth best in the NBA. That's quite pathetic for a man his size, even if he plays next to the fourteenth best rebounder, Kris Humphries (9.7). Meanwhile, Marc Gasol, the fourty-third best rebounder in the league, averages seven rebounds per game playing next to the best rebounder in the league, Zach Randolph (14.1).
Brook rebounds 10.7 rebounds per game compared to Gasol's 9.2, but that still doesn't account for Gasol playing next to a rebound vacuum like Randolph. Considering their situations and what they've produced, Gasol is the better rebounder.

NYY 26 to 7
11-18-2012, 02:10 AM
Why are we comparing the two? Are we saying these are the best 2 starting 5s in the NBA because I would have to disagree. I don't get the connection. There have been so many who is better than ____ or so and so is a better player than so and so. Going to be a long season on here.

JoeDirt05
11-18-2012, 02:52 AM
blazers

superior
11-18-2012, 11:08 AM
lol lopez plays with 3 of the current top 11 rebounders in the game.... nt idiot

LLLLLMMMMMMAAAAAOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only Net in the Top "40" is Humphries at 12 with 9.7. WTF are u smokin???

"IDIOT"

Randolph leads the league with 14 rpg. Lopez sucks, get over it

D-Leethal
11-18-2012, 11:55 AM
Zbo and Gasol would make Lopez hide in the lockeroom and not come out after halftime.

DoMeFavors
11-18-2012, 12:00 PM
Nets have good rebounders like Evans and Humphries you got love to talk about rebounds, fact is Lopez is shooting nearly 60% from the field in 30 minutes a game putting up monster numbers. And his blocks this year are great. Dont front Lopez is having an all star caliber year.

KnickaBocka.44
11-18-2012, 12:17 PM
Nets have good rebounders like Evans and Humphries you got love to talk about rebounds, fact is Lopez is shooting nearly 60% from the field in 30 minutes a game putting up monster numbers. And his blocks this year are great. Dont front Lopez is having an all star caliber year.

YES!!!! Thank God it was only a temporary ban :pray:

GIANTKNICK
11-18-2012, 12:20 PM
Is this a joke?

DoMeFavors
11-18-2012, 12:23 PM
YES!!!! Thank God it was only a temporary ban :pray:

Yeah I dont think we can talk anymore I am on a short leash, we cant talk Nets and Knicks anymore.

nycericanguy
11-18-2012, 12:28 PM
Nets have good rebounders like Evans and Humphries you got love to talk about rebounds, fact is Lopez is shooting nearly 60% from the field in 30 minutes a game putting up monster numbers. And his blocks this year are great. Dont front Lopez is having an all star caliber year.

She's baaacccckk! :D

sharqstealth
11-18-2012, 12:44 PM
the poll says "no contest"

mzgrizz
11-18-2012, 01:28 PM
LLLLLMMMMMMAAAAAOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only Net in the Top "40" is Humphries at 12 with 9.7. WTF are u smokin???

"IDIOT"

Randolph leads the league with 14 rpg. Lopez sucks, get over it

This.

KnickaBocka.44
11-18-2012, 01:43 PM
Yeah I dont think we can talk anymore I am on a short leash, we cant talk Nets and Knicks anymore.

Nov. 26th will be a big day for us ;)

Munkeysuit
11-18-2012, 01:44 PM
At the moment? NO, Grizzlies have been together longer and have had time to gel. Given some time to gel and get Wallace back from injury and fully healthy? I think Brooklyn will have the better team overall, Although I still don't see Lopez being better than Gasol.

DoMeFavors
11-18-2012, 01:54 PM
At the moment? NO, Grizzlies have been together longer and have had time to gel. Given some time to gel and get Wallace back from injury and fully healthy? I think Brooklyn will have the better team overall, Although I still don't see Lopez being better than Gasol.

Gasol is a better passer, Lopez is a better scorer

MrfadeawayJB
11-18-2012, 01:58 PM
TOTAL REBOUNDING RATE

Brook = 14.1

gasol = 11.1


brook has been the better rebounder this season

and lopez has a top 5 rebounder on the court with him at all times
http://www.hoopdata.com/advancedstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=%25&yr=2013&gp=0&mins=15

Gasol is better rebounder than lopez imo. Not much better, but better nonetheless.

Gasol has the #1 rebounder in the NBA on the court with him

DoMeFavors
11-18-2012, 02:17 PM
First of all Conley is an avg point guard, Deron is an all star. Joe Johnson is better than Tony Allen, Tony Allen is just a defender. I give Rudy Gay and ZBO the advantage over Wallace and Humphries. And Lopez is better than Gasol.

Blitzbolt
11-18-2012, 02:31 PM
Alot of people forget that Allen made the NBA defensive first team(4th in DPOY) and Conley made the 3rd team.

Conley was second in Steals and Tony Allen 7th in steals.I easily see memphis slowing down both JJ and Dwill EASILY.

thrice4
11-18-2012, 02:37 PM
All I know is if Conley and Lopez had babies they would be the ugliest things ever.

Blitzbolt
11-18-2012, 02:39 PM
Anyways As a GRIZZ fan I don't like all this attention I rather go under the radar but I guess this happens when you win 8th straight.

MetsJets0809
11-18-2012, 02:41 PM
Lopez is having a great season. I think he has a solid shot at the All Star game, considering Bynum is out, and Hibbert has played poorly (his team is EXTREMELY OVERRATED) but I would take Memphis' frontcourt over the Nets in a heartbeat. They are just tough and have a ton of skill. I loved ZBO on the Knicks, but he's on a new level on the Grizzlies. But to answer the question, I would take the Grizzlies starting 5

Silent
11-18-2012, 02:54 PM
M. Conley >. D.Will
T. Allen> . J. Johnson
R. Gay <. G. Wallace
Z. Randolph< . K. Humphries
M. Gasol <. B. Lopez

NoahH
11-18-2012, 03:14 PM
Memphis. The Grizz look like contenders this year

LA_Raiders
11-18-2012, 03:15 PM
In paper NJ, In the court Grizz

KnickaBocka.44
11-18-2012, 03:32 PM
M. Conley >. D.Will
T. Allen> . J. Johnson
R. Gay <. G. Wallace
Z. Randolph< . K. Humphries
M. Gasol <. B. Lopez

I'm inclined to think that you confused the > and <.

2-ONE-5
11-18-2012, 04:02 PM
the Grizzlies team is far and away better than the Nets. Player for player is irrelevant.

DoMeFavors
11-18-2012, 04:06 PM
People cant deny that Lopez is having a spectacular season, people were looking at his numbers last year when he was hurt. Or when he was with really no talent around him getting doubled. Now he has talent around him and can score at will. And playing with Dwills passing helps.

2-ONE-5
11-18-2012, 05:01 PM
^ 6 boards a game lol

DoMeFavors
11-18-2012, 05:07 PM
^ 6 boards a game lol

The rebounding is fine and its avg out to 7 and he is playing less than 30 minutes a game.

Nycbball08
11-18-2012, 05:12 PM
I can't believe this is even a debate..

jmoney85
11-18-2012, 06:28 PM
LLLLLMMMMMMAAAAAOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only Net in the Top "40" is Humphries at 12 with 9.7. WTF are u smokin???

"IDIOT"

Randolph leads the league with 14 rpg. Lopez sucks, get over it

you obviously have no idea what you're talking about and dont read posts... I posted my sources

Victimize
11-18-2012, 07:08 PM
The nets are last in rebounding this year and would get absolutely destroyed in a 7 game series by Memphis. Nets would allow 100 points per game in the paint.

TheSource
11-18-2012, 07:12 PM
M. Conley >. D.Will
T. Allen> . J. Johnson
R. Gay <. G. Wallace
Z. Randolph< . K. Humphries
M. Gasol <. B. Lopez

You must not know the proper use of > and <.