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KB-Pau-DH2012
11-16-2012, 08:48 PM
You need a made basket, who is the best option to go for that one shot again the stiffest defense there is?


My list:

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (The Sky Hook)
2. Shaquille O'Neal (Throw it in to him deep and it's over)
3. Michael Jordan (He lives and dies for those moments, he knows which spots to get to and elevate).



What are yours?

b@llhog24
11-16-2012, 08:49 PM
Bird.

nyKnicks126
11-16-2012, 08:56 PM
Reggie Miller / thread..........................

Dankster
11-16-2012, 08:58 PM
^^I don't know if your list is in chronology, but I can't see how anyone would be rated higher than Mike. Granted, Kareem's skyhook was probably the most unguardable shot in the history of the league based on the fact his release point on his hook made it virtually impossible to stop if he had it going. But Jordan had a myriad of weapons in his offensive arsenal, and his fade-away on either elbow to me was just as unguardable as Kareem's hook shot.

I'd also rate Bird very high on the list. I'd probably go Jordan>Bird>Kobe (I thought of it for a while, Kobe has to be a part of a go-to-guy list.)

Cal827
11-16-2012, 09:02 PM
Carmelo. I may not like the guy, but it's endgame when he gets the ball late lol

Baller1
11-16-2012, 09:29 PM
T-Mac and AI come to mind immediately (excluding the obvious choices).

Davidgta1
11-16-2012, 09:41 PM
Jordan and Kareem

dtmagnet
11-16-2012, 09:43 PM
Iverson.

alexander_37
11-16-2012, 09:44 PM
Jordan
Hakeem
Duncan

Chronz
11-16-2012, 10:51 PM
MJ obviously. Wilt cant defend his fade away the way he can defend everyone else

TmacBryant
11-16-2012, 11:08 PM
MJ obviously. Wilt cant defend his fade away the way he can defend everyone else

Jordan and Kobe for sure.

Would not pick Shaq because of his terrible FT%.

Chronz
11-16-2012, 11:11 PM
MJ obviously. Wilt cant defend his fade away the way he can defend everyone else

Jordan and Kobe for sure.

Would not pick Shaq because of his terrible FT%.
But if Shaq gets fouled hes at least a 50% shooter, which is the same as shooting 50% from the field.

#knickstape
11-17-2012, 01:47 AM
Jordan

Ebbs
11-17-2012, 01:53 AM
Whilst being a homer I do think Dirk deserves mention. He is getting his shot off regardless of who is guarding him.

HYFR
11-17-2012, 01:56 AM
Obv it is Jordan

kingsdelez24
11-17-2012, 04:05 AM
Prime Vince Carter should be on that list

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4TZEw20uQM

kingsdelez24
11-17-2012, 04:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1sQxpGhMTE

Another Carter video

mngopher35
11-17-2012, 04:29 AM
If your down 2 then I don't think shaq can be on the list, but if its down one or tied he can.

koberulesall
11-17-2012, 04:43 AM
I have been watching the NBA since 91 my picks are

1)Kobe
2)Magic
3)Jordan

thos are MY picks dont cry about it p u s s y ' s

asandhu23
11-17-2012, 04:45 AM
Jerry West, Rick Barry and Michael Jordan.

JayW_1023
11-17-2012, 07:39 AM
wilt.

JayW_1023
11-17-2012, 07:41 AM
MJ obviously. Wilt cant defend his fade away the way he can defend everyone else

Wilt could defend the sky hook. I don't see why he couldn't defend MJ's patented fade away.

bigbeardaboss
11-17-2012, 07:42 AM
Wilt, Bird and Jordan

MetroMan
11-17-2012, 08:50 AM
shhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaqqqqqqqqqqqq

JasonJohnHorn
11-17-2012, 09:03 AM
In no particular order: Jordan, Reggie, West.

JordansBulls
11-17-2012, 09:32 AM
Jordan percentage wise was the best and he was already too damn productive and efficient as well.
Shaq was good but free throw shooting harms him
Magic Johnson was good as well and Bird.

RonE Coleman
11-17-2012, 09:48 AM
Some guy named Michael Jordan, you may of heard of him before?

Will 2 BE
11-17-2012, 10:22 AM
1. MJ - Everyone knows the ball is going to be in his hands good luck stopping it.
2. Wilt - Heres the play get him the ball and get out the way
3. Kobe - If MJ and Reggie Miller had a love child he would be it
4. Larry Bird - Off the wall, Off the shot clock, nothing but net.

DanG
11-17-2012, 10:25 AM
Mj.

JayW_1023
11-17-2012, 10:28 AM
Why are people picking Shaq over Wilt? Just wanna know.

Im_in_Mia_bish
11-17-2012, 11:03 AM
i wish ppl could post stats in those situations with a link..

KnicksorBust
11-17-2012, 01:09 PM
I always get to these threads too late so I'll avoid the obv choices:

1. Havlicek
2. Wade
3. Frazier

SwatTeam
11-17-2012, 01:21 PM
1. Lebron
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Joel Anthony

Honorable Mention: Clarence Watherspoon

ClearSoulForce
11-17-2012, 01:27 PM
Dirk has to be up there. Been doing it for 13 years.

Uncbball234
11-17-2012, 01:36 PM
1 Bird
2 Jordan

some of the names in this thread are funny

SLS80
11-17-2012, 01:37 PM
the #23 mj

Mave1002
11-17-2012, 02:10 PM
Brian Scalabrine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpGm2dh9M2A

asandhu23
11-17-2012, 03:16 PM
They don't call West "Mr Clutch" for no reason.

AIRMAR72
11-17-2012, 03:17 PM
The blackcat aka the blueprint(Micheal Jordan) prime Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Robert( bigshot)Horry ,Vinnie Johnson, Paul Pierce ARE MY PICKS

LakersEaglesLA
11-17-2012, 03:59 PM
Kareem Abdul Jabbar...and its not even close.

naps
11-17-2012, 05:52 PM
Jordan.

iDefend10
11-17-2012, 06:05 PM
Jordan, Kobe, Dirk, Wade, KAJ, Reggie, Bird, Magic, Isiah, etc.

Bruno
11-17-2012, 06:16 PM
But if Shaq gets fouled hes at least a 50% shooter, which is the same as shooting 50% from the field.

for half the amount of points.

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-17-2012, 06:24 PM
Jordan Kobe Bird Shaq Hakeem

Chronz
11-17-2012, 06:30 PM
for half the amount of points.

Same amount of points

beliges
11-17-2012, 06:59 PM
The two greatest perimeter players ever: MJ and Kobe. After that I'd take magic and bird. There are your 4 greatest go to guys to have ever lived really.

PatriotsGirl
11-17-2012, 07:23 PM
MJ, Wilt, Bird for me.

ClearSoulForce
11-17-2012, 07:29 PM
Same amount of points

1/2 FG = 2 points (maybe 3)
1/2 FT = 1 point


:confused:

rocketfuel
11-17-2012, 08:59 PM
How athletic was Kareem? Did he have a lot of other moves? Did he slam dunk a lot?

Hawkeye15
11-17-2012, 09:04 PM
1/2 FG = 2 points (maybe 3)
1/2 FT = 1 point


:confused:

make a basket, 2 points, miss it, 0. The average is 1.

make 1/2 from the line, the average is 1.

Hawkeye15
11-17-2012, 09:05 PM
Michael Jordan above anyone. Wilt, West, and Bird are great choices. Among the modern guys, Kobe, and LeBron.

Chronz
11-18-2012, 12:36 PM
1/2 FG = 2 points (maybe 3)
1/2 FT = 1 point


:confused:


But you should be looking at it like this


2/4 FT = 1/2 FGA


3's change everything tho

SLY WILLIAMS
11-18-2012, 01:16 PM
In my lifetime I would say

MJ (Best player of all time that I have seen)
Bird (Unreal in clutch situations. Most clutch NBA player I have ever seen)

The rest are a very distant 3rd.

JollyRanch
11-18-2012, 06:39 PM
Thinking about guys that can create their own shots from anywhere on the court and the first two players that come to mind are: MJ and Kobe

--23--
11-18-2012, 06:50 PM
Jordan & Bird

RapOZo
11-19-2012, 04:06 AM
why would anyone say shaq? shaq can dominate for the first 46 minutes, but lot of times phil benched him late in close games because of his FTs, he also needs to be surrounded by good perimeter shooters to avoid double teams and score, but foul him and he is in trouble.

bird, kobe, mj, magic, can dribble out of a double team, take it to the rim on the bigs face or even take and make contested jumper. or find the open man if they feel like (in mj and kobe case.)

vandoc
11-19-2012, 04:33 AM
I am interpreting this as who I would pick for my last shot..in other words, the most clutch players.
In no particular order:

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar --you have one shot, so why not get the one shot nobody can stop?

Magic Johnson/Larry Bird --- have made some amazing last-second shots or found the right guy to do it.

Michael Jordan/Kobe Bryant --- the entire building knows you're taking the shot yet they can get it off, and make a lot of them too.

Nick Van Exel --- found a way to hit buzzer beaters.

Reggie Miller --- no explanation needed

Ray Allen --- See above.

Robert Horry --- always hit it when his team needed a basket

Isiah Thomas --- handled the ball so well that it was easy for him to get to the rim with little time on the shot clock

Allen Iverson --- can flat out score at will.

Tracy McGrady --- ask San Antonio

Derek Fisher --- ask San Antonio (0.4 secs)

Tim Duncan --one of the few big men I'd be comfortable taking the last shot

Dwyane Wade --- pre-LeBron coming to Miami, he was the most clutch player in the NBA in recent times

Kevin Durant --- ice water when hitting a long 3 for the win

Mike Bibby --- kept Sacramento in a lot of games

Chauncey Billups --- Detroit days

Gary Payton --- could save the game with a defensive stop too

Rasheed Wallace, Chris Mullin, Mitch Richmond, John Starks, Sam Cassell, Paul Pierce, Gilbert Arenas, Drazen Petrovic, John Stockton, and many more that I probably forgot should be mentioned too.

rocketfuel
11-19-2012, 04:53 AM
These choices are all great, though I feel like the most exciting dramatic last second 3 point shots that were my favorites were Robert Horry and Reggie Miller..... it was one of those "NO WAY" moments.....

Andrew32
11-19-2012, 05:00 AM
why would anyone say Shaq?
Maybe because he is by far the most unstoppable, efficient and consistent scorer ever from the field?
I guess only FT's matter though... :o


He also needs to be surrounded by good perimeter shooters to avoid double teams and score, but foul him and he is in trouble.
Shaq was always double/triple teamed in his Young/Prime years regardless of who you put around him and he routinely scored over double or triple teams.
He had amazing handles for a C and amazing ball control he was not easy to strip or keep from powering to the basket.
You speak of him like he is Bynum or something, haha.

The three best scorers / offensive anchors ever are Jordan, Shaq and Kareem.

thenaj17
11-19-2012, 07:05 AM
But if Shaq gets fouled hes at least a 50% shooter, which is the same as shooting 50% from the field.

That's not the same if you need 2 or 3 points.

The problem with Shaq would be that he's not guaranteed to make either of his FT's if he got 2. 50% is over the course of a season doesn't mean every 2 he gets, he makes 1 of them.

I'd be worried he'd miss both!

Chronz
11-19-2012, 10:38 AM
That's not the same if you need 2 or 3 points.
Im talking about over the course of a game/season but yes if you need a final basket, you would be wary of him getting fouled.


The problem with Shaq would be that he's not guaranteed to make either of his FT's if he got 2. 50% is over the course of a season doesn't mean every 2 he gets, he makes 1 of them.

I'd be worried he'd miss both!
This is 100% incorrect, thats precisely what it means.

thenaj17
11-19-2012, 10:57 AM
But you should be looking at it like this


2/4 FT = 1/2 FGA


3's change everything tho

Plus the odds of someone like MJ, Kobe getting FT's are quite likely aswell

thenaj17
11-19-2012, 11:10 AM
The problem with Shaq would be that he's not guaranteed to make either of his FT's if he got 2. 50% is over the course of a season doesn't mean every 2 he gets, he makes 1 of them.

I'd be worried he'd miss both!


This is 100% incorrect, thats precisely what it means.

No it doesn't mean that and isn't incorrect. I don't know if i'm not explaining it clearly enough or you just don't get it. If Shaq got fouled for a final shot, clock basically expired and he needed to make 1 of them to win, there are no guarantees he makes 1 of them.

In this situation, there are 4 possibilities. He makes both OR misses both OR Makes 1st/misses 2nd OR Misses 1st/Makes 2nd. 25% chance he nails both, 50% he makes 1 or the other and 25% he bricks both.

Just because he's 50% for the course of a season/career, doesn't mean 1 of those 2 is a guarantee, just the statistical likeliness. The same risk is there for Shaq missing both FT's than it is MJ/Kobe/Bird to miss their shot. Therefore, the argument for a dominant big who can't make FT's is floored.

It could actually be argued that the 25% likelihood of not getting a single point is less of a risk than a 50% FG chance as it's twice as likely the player attempting the FG doesn't get a single point. This would be weighted slightly however due to possibility of player being fouled on FG attempt.

Chronz
11-19-2012, 11:12 AM
But you should be looking at it like this


2/4 FT = 1/2 FGA


3's change everything tho

Plus the odds of someone like MJ, Kobe getting FT's are quite likely aswell
Not as likely as Shaq

Chronz
11-19-2012, 11:16 AM
No it doesn't mean that and isn't correct. I don't know if i'm not explaining it clearly enough or you just don't get it. If Shaq got fouled for a final shot, clock basically expired and he needed to make 1 of them to win, there are no guarantees he makes 1 of them.

Ill get back to you on this

thenaj17
11-19-2012, 11:24 AM
I have no inability to follow the conversation. The OP asks who he'd have for 1 basket at the end of 1 single game, a moment to win the game for a team.

I'm putting in the argument i wouldn't pick a big like Shaq/Wilt/Dwight because they can't hit FT's.

I didn't even mention that you have to get the ball to them in the first place so they are already reliant on another teammate.

You say not as likely as Shaq but MJ/Kobe/Bird sink FT's at a much higher rate if they do get them.


I sausage with the premise of the test of your post.

What the hell does that even mean?

thenaj17
11-19-2012, 11:35 AM
Ill get back to you on this

What is there to get back to me on?

What i said is 100% CORRECT. In an isolated 1 game, 1 trip to the FT line situation, the statistical likeliness of 50% is not a guarantee that he always gets 1 of 2 FT's.

There is a possibility (25% chance) he makes both i know, but personally i'd rather go with MJ/Bird over anyone.

Chronz
11-19-2012, 11:44 AM
lol, im in a waiting room guy, I edited my post because it wasnt fair and fixed auto corrects mistake. Ill get back to you means I WILL GET BACK 2 U

TheNumber37
11-19-2012, 11:55 AM
Jordan
Kareem
Kobe
Bird
Jerry West
Iverson... yeah.

Captain Moroni
11-19-2012, 11:58 AM
Micheal Jordan hands down.

There have been other guys not HOF types that killed it also...Tim hardaway comes to mind. Reggie miller, John Stockton, Larry bird, Nash, Kobe, melo, and wade are all guys I want taking the last shot and all HOF players.

zizo
11-19-2012, 12:07 PM
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Magic Johnson

Kobe Bryant

Michael Jordan

Skizzik
11-19-2012, 12:12 PM
So little love for Dirk. Since we're clearly talking prime, Dirk has to be way up there. Not only is his shot unguardable, he shoots free throws at an extremely high clip too.

DreamShaker
11-19-2012, 12:17 PM
Hakeem was awesome as a go-to guy. Could overcome triple teams and was a great decision maker.

blystr2002
11-19-2012, 12:19 PM
Definitely NOT Shaq. How can people bring his name up? I love Shaq. I Still have is Magic and Lakers Jerseys in my closet. However, their is a reason the Lakers would go to him the 1st 3 quarters and then Phil Jackson would let Kobe control the 4th.

LakerRaffy
11-19-2012, 12:37 PM
1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Magic Johnson
4. Michael Jordan
5. Kobe Bryant

JordansBulls
11-19-2012, 12:43 PM
1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Magic Johnson
4. Michael Jordan
5. Kobe Bryant

I hope this list isn't in order because if it is it is a terrible list. You got two of the top players on the list at 1 and 2 who lost 5 series with HCA with good teams. If they were the best go to guys they wouldn't had lost series where they were the favorite.

thenaj17
11-19-2012, 12:43 PM
lol, im in a waiting room guy, I edited my post because it wasnt fair and fixed auto corrects mistake. Ill get back to you means I WILL GET BACK 2 U

Ah ok! Predictive text on phones should be banned! lol

RapOZo
11-19-2012, 01:18 PM
Maybe because he is by far the most unstoppable, efficient and consistent scorer ever from the field?
I guess only FT's matter though... :o


Shaq was always double/triple teamed in his Young/Prime years regardless of who you put around him and he routinely scored over double or triple teams.
He had amazing handles for a C and amazing ball control he was not easy to strip or keep from powering to the basket.
You speak of him like he is Bynum or something, haha.

The three best scorers / offensive anchors ever are Jordan, Shaq and Kareem.

dude? seriously, who said ONLY ft's matter???
shaq dominance is not in question,
but you have a shot to make, and everyone knows the balls is coming to you, then at that point being shaq is not a great thing
do you even know why a defensive play called "hack-a-shaq" exists??
I know you know, that's the most annoying part of your case. you just want to make an argument out of thin air. annoying mofo

Money_23
11-19-2012, 01:40 PM
Maybe because he is by far the most unstoppable, efficient and consistent scorer ever from the field?
I guess only FT's matter though... :o



they matter if all you get to shoot are freethrows in the final 3 minutes. Shaq is not a go to guy in crunch time when the scores are really close. Hack a Shaq says hi.

rocketfuel
11-19-2012, 02:49 PM
I wonder what a team constructed purely with go to guys Avengers style would look like?

Jordan/Bird/Miller/Horry....

KB-Pau-DH2012
11-19-2012, 02:56 PM
they matter if all you get to shoot are freethrows in the final 3 minutes. Shaq is not a go to guy in crunch time when the scores are really close. Hack a Shaq says hi.

Shaq used to knock down a good percentage of his free throws in crunch time. He'd start the first 3 qtrs like a putrid 30% from the line, and then make up by making close to three-fourths of his free throws in the 4th, and get his average for the game to around 50-55%.

SINCESTARBURY25
11-19-2012, 03:35 PM
Why no Ray Allen??

rocketfuel
11-19-2012, 03:56 PM
Shaq was pretty dominant, even in 4th quarters. I never liked the hack a shaq. Did that ever work? I hope they change the rules to get rid of that.... makes the game look so ugly.

rocketfuel
11-19-2012, 03:58 PM
Speaking of go to centers, which of the greats would be the most dominant 1 on 1... Can Kareem stop Shaq? Can Shaq stop Kareem? How does Hakeem fare against either of them?

Chronz
11-19-2012, 06:00 PM
No it doesn't mean that and isn't incorrect. I don't know if i'm not explaining it clearly enough or you just don't get it. If Shaq got fouled for a final shot, clock basically expired and he needed to make 1 of them to win, there are no guarantees he makes 1 of them.

In this situation, there are 4 possibilities. He makes both OR misses both OR Makes 1st/misses 2nd OR Misses 1st/Makes 2nd. 25% chance he nails both, 50% he makes 1 or the other and 25% he bricks both.

Just because he's 50% for the course of a season/career, doesn't mean 1 of those 2 is a guarantee, just the statistical likeliness. The same risk is there for Shaq missing both FT's than it is MJ/Kobe/Bird to miss their shot. Therefore, the argument for a dominant big who can't make FT's is floored.

It could actually be argued that the 25% likelihood of not getting a single point is less of a risk than a 50% FG chance as it's twice as likely the player attempting the FG doesn't get a single point. This would be weighted slightly however due to possibility of player being fouled on FG attempt.

I assumed the OP was talking about clutch shots in general. The variables within that span depend on the time and score, which we dont have. So I just looked at it as a blanket statement. Shaq is a great clutch player but he isnt a good option in certain clutch situations, like 1 on 1 final second shots down by 2-3PTS because he lacks the range to hit 3's and is a 50/50 gamble at the line. Though they are moments he claims to step up his ft shooting.

Your complaint of guarantees is nonsensical because there is never a guarantee of success in anything. Consider Kobe Bryants fg% in final FG/A situations, Im sure you've seen it, its not pretty. The fact that Kobe can get shots off against quality defenses keyed on stopping him can be both an advantage and detriment to the teams offense.

And take note that the OP only asks us who we would have take the shot if we needed a shot made against stifling defense. I took that to mean during any crucial/critical moment in the game, not just the moments you describe. That said, I generally agree with your decision but if my team was only down 1, tied, up 1 or more in a final shot situation. I would have no problem going to Shaq and enjoying a rate of efficiency well above league average for those situations. Particularly if Shaq is right about his FT shooting in the clutch.