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JasonJohnHorn
11-14-2012, 07:05 PM
Simple question. What are the ten best individual season in the history of the game. I leave how you quantify "best individual season" up to you (perhaps you will go on strctly stats, perhaps you will take into consideration awards and post-season success). But the only rule I will give is that you can only use one season from each player, meaning no single player can appear twice in your list.


Engage.

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Here' my list, feel free to tear it apart. I do leave out some great performances, but of course, when you only get to include ten seasons, you are bound to leave somebody out. Perhaps I should have included LBJ in the list.

1. Wilt Chamberlain 61/62

While the Big O was setting records of his own, Wilt Chamberlain was hard at work raising the bar himself. He posted a record high 50.4 points a game (untouched since), including a 100 point performance. He also pulled down 25.7 rebounds a game, a number that no man, save Wilt himself, has ever eclipsed. Wilt though fell short that season and lost to the Boston Celtics in 7 games.

2. Oscar Robertson 61/62

The Big O’s triple-double season. Has anybody ever averages over 30 points a game while also leading the league in assists with 11.4 a game? Throw in 12.5 rebounds (in a league dominated by the likes of Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell) and it seems like no man standing only 6’5 could ever hope to repeat such a performance. Like Jordan in 88/89 though, The Big O lost to the Pistons in the post season, in his case a meagre first-round elimination.

3. Magic Johnson: 81/82

Much has been made of the Big O’s triple-double season, and many suggest is may never happen again that a player could average a triple-double, but in 81/82 Magic Johnson almost did just that. Though his scoring average was not as impressive as The Big O’s, he did post an impressive 18.6 while also grabbing 9.6 rebounds a game and handing out 9.5 assists. He also lead the league in steals (2.7 per game) and shot .537 from the floor. What’s more is he added another ring to his resume that season, and though Moses came away with the regular season MVP, Magic came away with the Finals MVP.

4. Jordan: 88/89

32.5 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists, 2.9 steals, and almost a block a game while shooting .538 from the floor. The year before, some might say, was better. Jordan won the DPOY and the MVP. He posted higher scoring averages, but never would he post higher assist and rebounding averages. Doug Collins got the most out of Jordan, and for a long stretch of games Jordan was actually averaging a triple-double. No hardware or any sort to speak of, and little playoff success, but an amazing all-around season that has been unequalled since.

5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 70/71

It’s hard to pick Kareem’s best season, because he had so many, but I will go with the year he brought the Bucks their only title and won his first MVP award. In only his second season in the league, Kareem lead the league in scoring, was second in FG%, and finished in the top five in rebounds (which was impressive considering who the guys ahead of him were). He posted higher scoring averages, and high FG%s and higher rebounding averages, but never in the same season. Besides, it was one of only two times that Kareem won the regular season MVP and the championship in the same season, and the other season wasn’t nearly as impressive as this one. And hey, he also helped win the Bucks their only NBA championship

6. John Stockton 89/90

The 89/90 season was likely disappointing for Stockton personally, as he and the Jazz were ultimately knocks out in the first round. But that season he did something no other PG had ever done before, and has yet to do since (and likely may never do). He averaged 14.5 assists per game. He also threw in 17.2 points while shooting .514 from the floor, .416 from the arc and .819 from the charity stripe. And he even chipped in 2.7 steals a game (not as impressive as his league leading 3.2 steals per game the season before, but enough to place him second in the league, behind Michael Jordan who lead the league with 2.8 steals per game. Stockton also posted a meagre 3.5 assists a game, almost reaching a 5-1 assist-to-turnover ration. Stockton, in fact, didn’t even rank in the top five for turnovers that season, almost unheard of for a PG who lead the league in assists (Isiah Thomas was the league leader, suggest the Olympic committee was well within reason to choose Stockton over Thomas for the Dream Team). Stockton’s offensive output that season (in you credit him with two points for each assist) was equal to Jordan’s (both contributed 46.2 point per game when assists and points at totalled).

7. Larry Bird 86/87

The Celtics had just won what would be their last NBA in the Bird-era, and tragedy struck the organization with the passing of Len Bias. Bias was expected to be the next big thing and take some of the burden off of Bird’s shoulders. Bird responded though posting 28.1 points per game, 9.2 rebounds and 7.6 assist (a personal best) all while shooting .525 from the field, .400 from the arc and .910 from the free throw line. I know Calderon has done it, but few besides Bird managed to pull averages at or above .500 .400 and .900. He also threw in close to 2 steals per game and close to a block per game as well. Though his long-time rival manages to come away with the NBA MVP and beat Bird in the finals, it was perhaps the best individual performance of his career.7. Not as close to a triple double as Magic was in 81/82, but Bird came closer to what the Big O did than most.

8. Bill Russell 61/62

The 61/62 season saw great feats by the Big O and Wilt, so Russell’s numbers (18.9 points and 23.6 rebounds to go with 4.5 assists), seem meek. But he scoring average was a personal best, and though his assist average was not a career high, it almost doubled Wilt’s output that season. And he came away with two things neither Wilt or Oscar managed to come away with that season: The MVP award, and an NBA championship.

9. Moses Malone: 82/83

Fresh off an MVP performance, it seemed like Moses could hope to top his production from the pervious season, and nobody had ever won back-to-back MVP awards on different teams, but hey, there is a first time for everything. Moses won the regular season MVP, but did one better in winning the finals MVP as well en route to his first (and only) NBA championship. Not very impressive assist numbers, and his turnovers were woeful, but he lead the league in rebounds (15.3) and posted 24.5 points per game, not a personal best, but still quite amazing. He also got over a steal a game and 2 blocks per game and was named to the All-NBA first team and All-Defensive first team. Perhaps his last season in Houston was more impressive since he had a much higher scoring averages, but 82/83 could have seen Moses score just as much, he just didn’t have to.


10. Dennis Roman 91/92

The Pistons were two years removed from the NBA championship, and Thomas was not aging well, nor were the Pistons getting much better, but there was a bright spot for the team that was putting off rebuilding: Dennis Rodman post the highest rebounding average in the post-Chamberlain era. 18.7 rebounds a game! His offensive output was meagre (9.8 points per game), but he shot .539 from the field and put forth an amazing defensive effort (though he was not rewarded with a third DPOY award that season). He posted his second best TRB% that year with 26.2% which was short of his 94/95 effort, but his averages were just so impressive that season. That said, I wouldn’t argue with anybody who put his 94/95 season ahead of his 91/92 season, but 91/92 was his break out season. Ultimately, both seasons resulted in playoff failures. The Knicks knocked off the Pistons in the first round, and were knocked out by the Rockets.

asandhu23
11-14-2012, 07:12 PM
Chamberlain 50 ppg season.

yaswaggin
11-14-2012, 07:20 PM
Big O triple double 1961

Wilt 24-24-8 season in 1966 on 68% shooting :drool:

P Harvy
11-14-2012, 07:29 PM
I'll get it out of the way

Last years Lebron

PleaseBeNice
11-14-2012, 07:36 PM
JasonJohnHorn's 2012 season. So many threads, it's historical

odiz
11-14-2012, 07:42 PM
In no particular order:

Lebron 2012
MJ 1991 - Edit: I keep changing the year, I honestly cant decide.
Shaq 2000
Wilt 1967
Kareem 1972
Duncan 2003
The Dream 1994
Magic 1987
Oscar Robertson 1962
For 10th you cant go wrong with any of KG '04, Larry Bird '86 or David Robinson '94.

P Harvy
11-14-2012, 07:53 PM
JasonJohnHorn's 2012 season. So many threads, it's historical

Lol

Chronz
11-14-2012, 08:51 PM
You overrate the oldies. I love me some of those Wilt years but I think the consensus is his best year as an individual was his first Championship seasons. Stats aren't just about pure accumulation but also quality of context. Ill tear up your list later tho

JordansBulls
11-14-2012, 10:18 PM
Real.Gm


1. Michael Jordan '91, age 27
2. Shaquille O'Neal '00, age 27
3. Bill Russell '65, age 30
4. Wilt Chamberlain '67, age 30
5. Hakeem Olajuwon '94, age 31
6. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar '77, age 29
7. Larry Bird '86, age 29
8. Magic Johnson '87, age 27
9. Tim Duncan '03, age 26
10. LeBron James '09, age 24



My List

--------- RS PER, WS48, --------- PER, WS48 playoffs
Jordan 1991: 31.7, 0.32 -----------32.0, 0.33 (17 playoff game, title)
KAJ 1971: 29.0, 0.33, -----------25.0, 0.27 (14 playoff games, title)
Shaq 2000: 30.6, 0.28, --------- 30.5, 0.22 (23 playoff games, title)
Wilt 1967: 26.5, .285------------25.3, 0.25 (15 playoff games, title)
Hakeem 1994: 25.3, 0.210----------27.7, 0.208 (23 playoff games, title)
Duncan 2003: 26.9, 0.248------------28.4, 0.279 (24 playoff games, title)
Magic 1987: 27.0, 0.263-------------26.2, 0.265 (18 playoff games, title)
Bird 1986: 25.6, 0.244--------------23.9, 0.263 (23 playoff games, title)
Moses Malone 1983: 25.1, 0.248 -----25.7, 0.260 (13 playoff games, title)
Lebron James 2012:30.7, 0.298-------30.3, 0.284 (23 playoff games, title)
Dwyane Wade 2006: 27.6, 0.239-------26.9, 0.240 (23 playoff games, title)
Julius Erving 1976: 28.7, 0.262-----32.0, 0.321 (13 playoff games, title) - ABA



For me it is something like this.

1. 1991 Jordan
2. 1971 Kareem
3. 1994 Olajuwon
4. 2000 Shaq
5. 1967 Wilt
6. 1965 Russell
7. 1987 Magic
8. 1986 Bird
9. 2003 Duncan
10. 2012 Lebron

pedrofan45
11-14-2012, 10:54 PM
For me it is something like this.

1. 1991 Jordan
2. 1971 Kareem
3. 1994 Olajuwon
4. 2000 Shaq
5. 1967 Wilt
6. 1965 Russell
7. 1987 Magic
8. 1986 Bird
9. 2003 Duncan
10. 2012 Lebron

Lebron's season is just as good as shaq's

amos1er
11-14-2012, 11:02 PM
You overrate the oldies. I love me some of those Wilt years but I think the consensus is his best year as an individual was his first Championship seasons. Stats aren't just about pure accumulation but also quality of context. Ill tear up your list later tho

Yup. If this was fantasy basketball his list would be good. IMO if someone didn't end up winning a ring that year (or at least going real deep into the playoffs), than they have no business being considered in the top ten of best individual seasons. Stat padding on non-contenders is not that impressive to me. Era and level of competition should be taken into account as well.

amos1er
11-14-2012, 11:03 PM
Real.Gm





My List

--------- RS PER, WS48, --------- PER, WS48 playoffs
Jordan 1991: 31.7, 0.32 -----------32.0, 0.33 (17 playoff game, title)
KAJ 1971: 29.0, 0.33, -----------25.0, 0.27 (14 playoff games, title)
Shaq 2000: 30.6, 0.28, --------- 30.5, 0.22 (23 playoff games, title)
Wilt 1967: 26.5, .285------------25.3, 0.25 (15 playoff games, title)
Hakeem 1994: 25.3, 0.210----------27.7, 0.208 (23 playoff games, title)
Duncan 2003: 26.9, 0.248------------28.4, 0.279 (24 playoff games, title)
Magic 1987: 27.0, 0.263-------------26.2, 0.265 (18 playoff games, title)
Bird 1986: 25.6, 0.244--------------23.9, 0.263 (23 playoff games, title)
Moses Malone 1983: 25.1, 0.248 -----25.7, 0.260 (13 playoff games, title)
Lebron James 2012:30.7, 0.298-------30.3, 0.284 (23 playoff games, title)
Dwyane Wade 2006: 27.6, 0.239-------26.9, 0.240 (23 playoff games, title)
Julius Erving 1976: 28.7, 0.262-----32.0, 0.321 (13 playoff games, title) - ABA



For me it is something like this.

1. 1991 Jordan
2. 1971 Kareem
3. 1994 Olajuwon
4. 2000 Shaq
5. 1967 Wilt
6. 1965 Russell
7. 1987 Magic
8. 1986 Bird
9. 2003 Duncan
10. 2012 Lebron

This list is much better.

b@llhog24
11-14-2012, 11:05 PM
LeBrons 09 season is getting terribly underrated. :pity:

Quinnsanity
11-15-2012, 04:14 AM
I gotta be honest, you could make a perfectly viable list of just Jordan and LeBron seasons. Statistically anything those two guys did, assuming you adjust for era, is far above what anyone else did if you leave out the playoffs. I'm fine with guys like Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Oscar and Bird making the list, but all I'm saying is that if you wanted to say that the 10 best statistical seasons of all time, either now or in five years or so when we have more context, is just LeBron and Michael, you could made a convincing argument.

Manimal
11-15-2012, 04:21 AM
No love for Barkley in 89-90 and 92-93. Can someone post his stats from those seasons?

Chronz
11-15-2012, 04:23 AM
Yup. If this was fantasy basketball his list would be good. IMO if someone didn't end up winning a ring that year (or at least going real deep into the playoffs), than they have no business being considered in the top ten of best individual seasons. Stat padding on non-contenders is not that impressive to me. Era and level of competition should be taken into account as well.

My fantasy league would implement several VOP elements so that isn't technically true. I get what your saying but Im not stressing the intangibles as much as I am the tangible aspects. His selections seem to be based on well rounded averages (ie 32-8-8> 35-6-6) regardless of efficiency or league averages.

Hawkeye15
11-15-2012, 04:23 AM
Real.Gm
For me it is something like this.

1. 1991 Jordan
2. 1971 Kareem
3. 1994 Olajuwon
4. 2000 Shaq
5. 1967 Wilt
6. 1965 Russell
7. 1987 Magic
8. 1986 Bird
9. 2003 Duncan
10. 2012 Lebron

You go out of your way to discredit LeBron. In no way, shape or form, is he that low.

Chronz
11-15-2012, 04:51 AM
You go out of your way to discredit LeBron. In no way, shape or form, is he that low.

Its not that bad and its his opinion

Heediot
11-15-2012, 07:02 AM
JasonJohnHorn's 2012 season. So many threads, it's historical

:laugh2:

amos1er
11-15-2012, 07:11 AM
My fantasy league would implement several VOP elements so that isn't technically true. I get what your saying but Im not stressing the intangibles as much as I am the tangible aspects. His selections seem to be based on well rounded averages (ie 32-8-8> 35-6-6) regardless of efficiency or league averages.

Ya, if your looking at raw numbers and nothing else, his list would be good. Perhaps fantasy basketball was a bit of an overstatement. Efficiency and level of competitions must be factored in as well. Usually people who lead teams to championships don't average numbers like 32-8-8 or 35-6-6 because their teams are well rounded. Exception of Jordan. IMO if a player had a 28, 6, 7 season on a great team and won a ring or went to the finals and lost in a close 7 game series, I would give them the nod over a guy who went 35-8-8 on a mediocre to above average team and lost in the first or second round. Guess there needs to be a formula that measures how good one's team is and how good the level of competition is. Then factor in how far they can lead their team with those things taken into account while putting up the best numbers possible.

Chronz
11-15-2012, 07:29 AM
Here' my list, feel free to tear it apart.
With pleasure, I wont even give my list just inform you on why you made the wrong choice given those players


1. Wilt Chamberlain 61/62
A fine choice but his 67 season is widely seen as his greatest individually. If you think Im only saying that because of his championship then you would be ignoring the best combination of usage/efficiency of his career when you consider the results of that output led to one of the best offenses of all time (statistically). If not that year then consider the 64 season, he played alot better in the post season and his advanced metrics were better across the board.



2. Oscar Robertson 61/62

Overrated, statistically David Robinson has had superior seasons but hes not even on this list. Still since you list him, the correct decision is 63-64. 31-11-10 on superior efficiency than the season you listed. To further enhance the decision he did this on the only 55 win team he would ever lead in his prime(winning MVP in the process).



3. Magic Johnson: 81/82
Im sensing a trend, it seems you feel players have their best seasons while in their youth. When they have the legs to rack up rebounds and play alot of MPG, sometimes on middling teams thus enhancing their responsibility. But Magic is so clearly better in 87. MVP, Finals MVP, and he posted the best advanced metrics of his career for a championship team. As an individual thats hard to top, I would imagine theres no better feeling than winning while at the top of your game, something Jerry West wishes he knew of.


4. Jordan: 88/89
Its hard to go wrong with any MJ season but Ima have to disagree here. First some context, MJ was gunning for triple doubles this year. Collins put him at the point to end the season and he would check with scorekeepers to make sure they had his assists. Not that there is necessarily anything wrong with being stat conscious, I know Bird was as well, Im just saying there should be a clear difference between the mentality of a Pre-Phil MJ. And when you combine that killer mentality with superior production + a title, I dont see how you can go against 1991. Greatest PER/WS for both Regular Season and Playoffs of his career while winning his first chip.



5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 70/71
Ima go with 77, he wasn't posting the same regular season stats he did in his youth, nor was he on route to winning a title but he was so clearly improved as a go-to player. He wasn't as reliant on his PG's, he wasn't quite as scrawny so he could fight for position better on both ends, also the reason for the decline in his statistical superiority over his league was partly due to the league getting extremely deep with the ABA merger.

All that aside, this year marks KAJ greatest Playoff production level. Career highs all across the board, he and Bill Walton had an epic duel. He was a championship caliber player without a cast to prove it, as if winning a title your 2nd year wouldn't be proof enough. Cant argue against your pick tho, plenty of people would agree. He was just more reliant on the skyhook than I would like from what Ive seen/read.



6. John Stockton 89/90
Its in the right range, I just dont know what makes any Stockton year stick out more than the other. Knowing how amazingly consistent he was year to year I would think playoff production+success would be a determining factor but you chose the year he gets knocked out in R1?

Why not go with 88? He had that great 7 round series vs LA, destroying the Magic and the Lakers.



7. Larry Bird 86/87
Cant complain, arguably his greatest regular season and he (And the rest of Bostons starters) pulled a heavy load just to make the Finals. His play suffered as a result tho. I have trouble assessing Bird's career, Ive just never been overly impressed by any of his runs. If I had to choose it would be the year before this one.



8. Bill Russell 61/62

Hard to pin down the peak season from a guy who made his presence felt defensively. That seems to be a choice as good as any, but Im going to ignore individual stats on this one because I find the differences to be minute when discussing his prime years but mostly because I think hes a player whos defensive peak is more relevant. I believe his defensive prime to have come around the season you mentioned up to 1966. Narrowing down his peak, I would guess 1964 simply because it was "easily" his best defensive team according to Russell and the numbers back him. His offense was meek but the Celtics as a team dominated the 2 best runner ups in the league on the strength of their defense. Wilt and that years MVP (Oscar Robertson) really struggled vs Boston.



9. Moses Malone: 82/83
Easy call tho the year prior to that was no slouch.



10. Dennis Roman 91/92
Agreed, Rodman would go on to post higher rebounding rates but he was very selfish in getting them sometimes. This year might not be much different but he wasnt quite yet a diva so his defense was still dominant.

JasonJohnHorn
11-15-2012, 09:14 AM
You overrate the oldies. I love me some of those Wilt years but I think the consensus is his best year as an individual was his first Championship seasons. Stats aren't just about pure accumulation but also quality of context. Ill tear up your list later tho

There isn't a person I would want to tear up my list more than you ;-)

JasonJohnHorn
11-15-2012, 09:25 AM
Overrated, statistically David Robinson has had superior seasons but hes not even on this list. Still since you list him, the correct decision is 63-64. 31-11-10 on superior efficiency than the season you listed. To further enhance the decision he did this on the only 55 win team he would ever lead in his prime(winning MVP in the process).

David Robinson is one of the greatest of all time. I honestly believe he was better in his prime than Jordan. I feel the same way about Hakeem, and I felt bad leaving both of these guys off the list, but I didn't want to have too many centers on the list because I generally have a hard-on for great centers and tend to over-represent them. The other name I felt bad leaving off the list was LBJ.

I don't feel so bad for leaving Pippen and Grant Hill of the list, but they both had great seasons, Pippen in 93/94 and 94/95 (the latter of which he was leading his team in scoring, assists, rebounds, steals and blocks before Jordan came back) and Hill in 96/97 when he lead his team in points, rebounds assists and steals.

And you are right, I do tend to go with players in their younger years. Usually they put up better numbers because they are usually drafted by $#!T teams who require more of them so they are in turn expected to do more and later in their careers, when they get traded to a winner, or their team gets some pieces, they can focus on what they do best. I guess I'm a bit of a stat whore though. But that is why I left it open, because I realize some people would put more value on accomplistments (like Jordan in 92 and LBJ in 2012 where both won regular season MVPs, finals MVPs, a ring and a gold medal... those are amazing years, even if they aren't your best statistically).

thenaj17
11-15-2012, 09:44 AM
JasonJohnHorn's 2012 season. So many threads, it's historical

this...

Do you have a job JJH? Or any hobbies?

JayW_1023
11-15-2012, 12:27 PM
'67 Wilt.

asandhu23
11-15-2012, 12:44 PM
Its hard to go wrong with any MJ season but Ima have to disagree here. First some context, MJ was gunning for triple doubles this year. Collins put him at the point to end the season and he would check with scorekeepers to make sure they had his assists. Not that there is necessarily anything wrong with being stat conscious, I know Bird was as well, Im just saying there should be a clear difference between the mentality of a Pre-Phil MJ. And when you combine that killer mentality with superior production + a title, I dont see how you can go against 1991. Greatest PER/WS for both Regular Season and Playoffs of his career while winning his first chip.



I like how people say Jordan and Bird were "stat conscious" and wilt was a "stat padder" when it's pretty much the same thing. positive and negative connotations, huh?

He115ing
11-15-2012, 01:56 PM
A lot of people are going to rip me for this but I think that all these ridiculous numbers that the likes of Russell and Wilt put up in the sixties are way out of proportion. Bball was young as a professional sport at that time in the US and these players as talented as they might have been would have never been able to put up the same numbers if they played along side today's athletes.

Im_in_Mia_bish
11-15-2012, 02:47 PM
idk whether to include team accomplishments like NBA championship/Gold medal or should i use that as a tie breaker?

Tim Duncan, Jordan, Bron, Shaq, Big O, Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem, Magic

all come to mind.
i would have to re-check their career stats and season stats to be specific.. I expect Jordan to have more than one season on the top 10..