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JasonJohnHorn
11-13-2012, 08:04 PM
It's pretty clear that with the addition of Lowry (who is playing great so far this season and is frankly one of the best bargains in the NBA), Jose Caleron is not in the Raptor's forseeable future, and he has an expiring contract. So the Raptors, who may need Calderon for the next couple of games since Lowry is out with an ankle sprain, are in an interesting situation. They have a 10 million dollar expiring contract! Calderon will likely want to win something before his career is over, so unless the Raptors are willing to overpay for a back-up PG (which I wouldn't put past Coangleo), they will likely lose Calderon for nothing in the offseason, so moving him now for something would be a good idea, and it would potentially allow Calderon, who has one of the best assist-to-turnover ratios in the league, and he is also a great shooter (though not so great on defense, even if he has improved), to contribute to a contender now, and not have to wait until the offseason.

So... it's time to start working out a trade for Calderon. the question is, who needs him?

One of the best options would be LAL. He can't drive the ball the way Nash does, but every other aspect of their game is nearly identical, even the fact that they can't play defense. What can LAL offer? Blake is making 4 mill this and next season, and Duhon is making 3.5 mill or so, the two together are enough salary to match, and both only have two years left on their contracts, though Toronto might not want to take on that much, but trading one of the two may be an option afterwards and leave them with an affordable back-up PG. LAL may have to throw in a draft pick to make it worth Toronto's while, but that pick won't be for any time in the next couple season since they already gave up picks in the Steve Nash deal. And LAL could use him NOW!!!!

Miami: Calderon can't play D the way they like, but I'm sure LBJ can light a fire under Calderon's @$ and motivate him. Having a shooter like Calderon would be great for Miami, and he can handle the ball when Wade and LBJ are on the bench. Trading for Calderon might be more problematic for Miami though as they really don't have two contracts that Toronto would want to take back.

OCK: I think the Thunder would be a great landing spot for Calderon. He'd be an upgrade from what they have coming off the bench, and he's a great distributor, which OKC could use when Westbrook is on the bench (if Calderon can set up Bargnani and DeRozen, I'm sure he'd LOVE to have Durant and Martin to pass to). Maynor and Sefolosha might be a good enough package. I know Sefolosha is a great fit in OKC, but with Martin already playing so well with the roster, and Lamb being as young as he is and having as much potential, the Thunder might be better off to make some more room for their SG.


Who do you guys think could use Calderon and what can teams offer in order to get this done?

Bulls_fan90
11-13-2012, 08:16 PM
Why the **** would they trade him for Steve Blake and Duhon? Is this real life?

You need to look at it from the Raptors point of view. A young player + picks would make sense. Trading for scrubs like Duhon + Blake to send Calderon to a "contender" does not help them.

JasonJohnHorn
11-13-2012, 08:26 PM
Why the **** would they trade him for Steve Blake and Duhon? Is this real life?

You need to look at it from the Raptors point of view. A young player + picks would make sense. Trading for scrubs like Duhon + Blake to send Calderon to a "contender" does not help them.

You are absolutely right. I was primary trying to get contracts to match and leave TO with an affordable option as a back up PG. I figure they would move one of the two to a team that needs a back-up PG.

Toronto is not going to be getting much back from any team unless they can find a team that is trying to dump a contract for an expiring (which may happen as the season progresses).

Teeboy1487
11-13-2012, 08:30 PM
They need to buy him out already.

UPRock
11-13-2012, 08:47 PM
Kings, they need that passing point guard.

Raps08-09 Champ
11-13-2012, 08:49 PM
Bargnani and Calderon for Pau and Steve Blake.

GodsSon
11-13-2012, 08:58 PM
Calderon is worth a 1st, so unless a pick of decent value (top 22ish) is coming back our way, we shouldn't be interested.

Teeboy1487
11-13-2012, 09:00 PM
321`

mr.awesome
11-13-2012, 09:01 PM
Little off topic but Calderon is having quite the game right now

Tmath
11-13-2012, 09:06 PM
He's balling right now

10 pts 8 ast 6 reb at half time.

Raps08-09 Champ
11-13-2012, 09:06 PM
He's playing like Lebron.

scaramantula
11-13-2012, 09:16 PM
lowry is injured right now did everyone forget 'bout that

bucketss
11-13-2012, 09:19 PM
They need to buy him out already.

hes an expiring contact why the hell should they buy him out?

BHF
11-13-2012, 09:20 PM
Calderon does have 5-10 games a season like that the rest of the season he is Steve Blake 2.0

Gritz
11-13-2012, 09:23 PM
He ain't going anywhere

dalton749
11-13-2012, 09:24 PM
lmao calderon is way better than steve blake hes the best bench pg in the league

97NYer
11-13-2012, 09:54 PM
Bargnani and Calderon for Pau and Steve Blake.

i actually like this for both teams, Bargs is D'antoni's wet dream and Calderon is a huge improvement at backup PG. Raptors would also get a post presence and star.

sunsfan88
11-13-2012, 10:01 PM
I think the Bulls or the Wolves would be a very good option for him. Perhaps the Rockets too since Lin isn't panning out too well.

dalton749
11-13-2012, 10:04 PM
only thing toronto would need from houston is parsons

lakers4sho
11-13-2012, 10:16 PM
get it done mitch

Raps08-09 Champ
11-13-2012, 10:25 PM
The man got a triple double.

kenzo400
11-13-2012, 10:47 PM
i actually like this for both teams, Bargs is D'antoni's wet dream and Calderon is a huge improvement at backup PG. Raptors would also get a post presence and star.

Gasol is getting paid way too much and is 32 years old, turning 33 soon. What would be the point for the Raptors?

spreadeagle
11-13-2012, 10:47 PM
LOL, Lowry got injured 2 games in "did have an awesome 2 games though" but Lowry has a past with being injured a lot, why would you trade away maybe the best backup in the league when your starter cant stay healthy

kenzo400
11-13-2012, 10:52 PM
LOL, Lowry got injured 2 games in "did have an awesome 2 games though" but Lowry has a past with being injured a lot, why would you trade away maybe the best backup in the league when your starter cant stay healthy

Because it's annoying watching 2 pg's play together all the time. It also doesn't help when Casey adds in Lucas lol

Hellcrooner
11-13-2012, 10:52 PM
triple double and lead to the win.

WIll Lowry the umptenth calderon bencher that ends up being the back up/ getting traded? :p

Jose is got his vodoo doll ready.

Hellcrooner
11-13-2012, 10:54 PM
lmao calderon is way better than steve blake hes the best bench pg in the league

considering he is top 30 at worst ( and there are 30 teams)

top 20 reasonably

and top 15 at best.

Of course he is the best back up, because he SHOULD not be one unless he is ring chasing in l.a or okc.

Raps08-09 Champ
11-13-2012, 10:54 PM
Gasol is getting paid way too much and is 32 years old, turning 33 soon. What would be the point for the Raptors?

For BC, he gets to keep his job if we make the playoffs. For long term, not much.

John Walls Era
11-13-2012, 10:59 PM
triple double and lead to the win.

WIll Lowry the umptenth calderon bencher that ends up being the back up/ getting traded? :p

Jose is got his vodoo doll ready.

Just send him to the Lakers so Crooner can die happy.

Hellcrooner
11-13-2012, 11:01 PM
Just send him to the Lakers so Crooner can die happy.

wish jose had the balls to create a fuss and demmand a trade to lakers ( that doesnt send pau the other way).

But we all know he is too much the ultimate professional/ Nice guy to do something like that.

Raps08-09 Champ
11-13-2012, 11:07 PM
wish jose had the balls to create a fuss and demmand a trade to lakers ( that doesnt send pau the other way).

But we all know he is too much the ultimate professional/ Nice guy to do something like that.

Lol, so you're complaining he's playing off the bench. Yet if he goes to the Lakers, he basically has a same role.

Hellcrooner
11-13-2012, 11:21 PM
Lol, so you're complaining he's playing off the bench. Yet if he goes to the Lakers, he basically has a same role.

Playing on the best ( or second best deppending who you ask) team in history, with the goal of a championship being tha back up of a two time Mvp HOF bound player.

vs

Playing on a bottom 5 franchise in history, with the goal of..........8th seed at VERY VERY VERY VERY best scenario, as a back up of some dude not much better (if better at all) than you?

Yep, exatly the same thing.:rolleyes:

KB-Pau-DH2012
11-13-2012, 11:23 PM
No chance Lakers get him.

Raps08-09 Champ
11-13-2012, 11:23 PM
Playing on the best ( or second best deppending who you ask) team in history, with the goal of a championship being tha back up of a two time Mvp HOF bound player.

vs

Playing on a bottom 5 franchise in history, with the goal of..........8th seed at VERY VERY VERY VERY best scenario, as a back up of some dude not much better (if better at all) than you?

Yep, exatly the same thing.:rolleyes:

Umm yea it is the same thing.

Same role, just different situation.

Try again Crooner.

Teeboy1487
11-13-2012, 11:25 PM
Just send him to the Lakers so Crooner can die happy.

He wouldn't be the only one. I wanted Calderon last year instead of Sessions. Wish the Lakers could get him.

BHF
11-13-2012, 11:34 PM
Playing on the best ( or second best deppending who you ask) team in history, with the goal of a championship being tha back up of a two time Mvp HOF bound player.

vs

Playing on a bottom 5 franchise in history, with the goal of..........8th seed at VERY VERY VERY VERY best scenario, as a back up of some dude not much better (if better at all) than you?

Yep, exatly the same thing.:rolleyes:

hahahahah this guy never seems to amaze me :facepalm: JOSE CALDERON SUCKS. Lowry on one leg is better than Jose Calderon in his prime

dtmagnet
11-13-2012, 11:36 PM
No thanks, we'll keep Calderon. I hope he plays his whole career with us, plenty of great players have come off the bench later in their career.

Raps08-09 Champ
11-13-2012, 11:48 PM
hahahahah this guy never seems to amaze me :facepalm: JOSE CALDERON SUCKS. Lowry on one leg is better than Jose Calderon in his prime

No he doesn't.

DeRaptor95
11-13-2012, 11:49 PM
Calderon + Bargnani for Josh Smith

BHF
11-13-2012, 11:56 PM
No he doesn't.

he and Andrea are the main reason Raptors sucked the last 5 years so yes he does suck

Raps08-09 Champ
11-13-2012, 11:58 PM
he and Andrea are the main reason Raptors sucked the last 5 years so yes he does suck

Prove it.

Hellcrooner
11-14-2012, 12:29 AM
Umm yea it is the same thing.

Same role, just different situation.

Try again Crooner.

So for you its the same banging Mila Kunis than beth Ditto?

I mean, you are on the same role, pumping and all.

Raps08-09 Champ
11-14-2012, 12:32 AM
So for you its the same banging Mila Kunis than beth Ditto?

I mean, you are on the same role, pumping and all.

What a stupid analogy.

You realize you made an idiot comment so you try to take the topic somewhere else so you can't admit you couldn't understand my point.

Regardless of whether or not he's on the Lakers or Raptors, Calderon is a backup playing 20 MPG or so. No way to go around that.

Ill21
11-14-2012, 12:50 AM
Wow, good call on free Jose

John Walls Era
11-14-2012, 02:05 AM
I think the Bulls or the Wolves would be a very good option for him. Perhaps the Rockets too since Lin isn't panning out too well.

Jose Calderon going to the youngest team in the league. Makes sense... I'm sure Houston is dying to trade for Mr. 10 Million a Year. Maybe if they get Gasoft from the Lakers.

John Walls Era
11-14-2012, 02:09 AM
wish jose had the balls to create a fuss and demmand a trade to lakers ( that doesnt send pau the other way).

But we all know he is too much the ultimate professional/ Nice guy to do something like that.

All Real Madrid Fans are classy and nice.


So for you its the same banging Mila Kunis than beth Ditto?

I mean, you are on the same role, pumping and all.

:laugh: Crooner4President!


He wouldn't be the only one. I wanted Calderon last year instead of Sessions. Wish the Lakers could get him.

You realize that Crooner's life long dream is to assemble the Spanish National Team in LA? His favorite National Team with his Favorite National Basketball Association Team. Hes 1 step closer to an impossible dream. Its going to be as close as it gets for him.


What a stupid analogy.

You realize you made an idiot comment so you try to take the topic somewhere else so you can't admit you couldn't understand my point.

Regardless of whether or not he's on the Lakers or Raptors, Calderon is a backup playing 20 MPG or so. No way to go around that.

Crooner actually made a legit point. You're saying backing up with a 8th seed at best team is better than backup with a PG on a potential championship team?

Raps08-09 Champ
11-14-2012, 08:26 AM
Crooner actually made a legit point. You're saying backing up with a 8th seed at best team is better than backup with a PG on a potential championship team?

No. I'm saying he's playing the exact same role (Crooner is complaining about his role as a backup PG). He'd just be in a different situation playing for the Lakers.

ink
11-14-2012, 09:53 AM
I think Jose's role off the bench is perfect. Allows his coach to use him as a 6th man behind Lowry. I have no problem with that. It lets his strengths work for him and hides his weaknesses on D.

And no, I don't really want him traded.

bartron_44
11-14-2012, 10:01 AM
There is a good chance BC and the Raptors resign Calderon to a more team friendly deal rather then look to shop him for a draft pick. If it is a draft pick it needs to be a 2014 first round unprotected pick from team that is going to give us a good shot at the #1 pick. (i.e give us a good chance at drafting Andrew Wiggins :) ).

Since I highly doubt that trade is possible, I think it is more likely that we package Jose, Ed Davis and Linas Kleiza for either a new starting SF, or a new starting 5 to let Jonas develop for another year or 2.

JasonJohnHorn
11-14-2012, 10:34 AM
I like the thought of Minny or Houston. Both could use him... especially Minny with Rubio being out for a while.

Sly Guy
11-14-2012, 11:17 AM
I think Jose's role off the bench is perfect. Allows his coach to use him as a 6th man behind Lowry. I have no problem with that. It lets his strengths work for him and hides his weaknesses on D.

And no, I don't really want him traded.

I'm actually in agreement here after trying to have him shipped for a long time. Jose's been stellar this year so far, and the raps need a steady hand to guide the bench that's supposed to be one of the deeper ones in the league.

John Walls Era
11-14-2012, 12:24 PM
There is a good chance BC and the Raptors resign Calderon to a more team friendly deal rather then look to shop him for a draft pick. If it is a draft pick it needs to be a 2014 first round unprotected pick from team that is going to give us a good shot at the #1 pick. (i.e give us a good chance at drafting Andrew Wiggins :) ).


:laugh: A team is going to give up a lottery pick for Jose Calderon whos in his 30s?

JasonJohnHorn
11-14-2012, 12:31 PM
:laugh: A team is going to give up a lottery pick for Jose Calderon whos in his 30s?

Yeah.. a lottery pick is a bit much to ask for Calderon, but a frist-rounder not so much. I think they could get a team like OKC or MIA to give up a couple first rounders if they could find salaries that match.

LAL would be happy to give up a couple for sure, but since they've already given up some in the Nash trade, Toronto would have to wait untul 2020 to get a draft pick from LAL lol