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#1 Romo fan
11-13-2012, 04:51 PM
I have compiled a list of award snubs of the past 10 years. Since it's award week, I thought that it would be nice to see you guys opinions on this.

10. 2009 NL CY Young, Tim Lincecum over Adam Wainwright.

Adam Wainwright, 19-8 2.63 212
Tim Lincecum, 15-7 2.48 261

9. 2003 AL Rookie of the Year, Angel Berroa over Hideki Matsui

Hideki Matsui .287 16 106
Angel Berroa .287 17 73

8. 2011 AL MVP, Justin Verlander over Jacoby Ellsbury

Jacoby Ellsbury .321 32 105 39 Steals
Justin Verlander 24-5 2.40 250

7. 2002 AL MVP, Miguel Tejada over Alex Rodriguez

Alex Rodriguez .300 57 142
Miguel Tejada .308 34 131

6. 2006 AL MVP, Justin Morneau over Derek Jeter

Derek Jeter .343 14 97
Justin Morneau .321 34 130

5. 2002 AL Cy Young, Barry Zito over Pedro Martinez

Pedro Martinez 20-4 2.26 239
Barry Zito 23-5 2.75 182

4. 2004 NL Cy Young, Roger Clemens over Randy Johnson

Randy Johnson 16-14 2.60 290
Roger Clemens 18-4 2.98 218

3. 2011 NL MVP, Ryan Braun over Matt Kemp

Matt Kemp .324 39 126
Ryan Braun .332 33 111

2. 2003 NL MVP, Barry Bonds over Albert Pujols

Albert Pujols .359 43 124
Barry Bonds .340 45 90

1. 2007 NL MVP, Jimmy Rollins over Matt Holliday

Matt Holliday .340 36 137
Jimmy Rollins .296 30 94

Do you agree, disagree, discuss

SenorGato
11-13-2012, 04:57 PM
2. 2003 NL MVP, Barry Bonds over Albert Pujols

Albert Pujols .359 43 124
Barry Bonds .340 45 90

Nope, that was Bonds all the way. If anything, Bonds has been robbed of MVPs and earned the hell out of the MVPs he did get. You can make a pretty strong case that he should have two or three more of those things...

Pinstripe pride
11-13-2012, 04:58 PM
verlander should have won over ellsbury. thats not a snub

gotcabrera10
11-13-2012, 04:58 PM
Good post. It still pisses me off to this day that Morneau beat Jeter for the MVP in 06. That season was Jete at his absolute finest.

People are mesmerized by the homerun I guess.

gotcabrera10
11-13-2012, 04:59 PM
And holy crap look at that...

1. 2007 NL MVP, Jimmy Rollins over Matt Holliday

Matt Holliday .340 36 137
Jimmy Rollins .296 30 94

What a joke!

#1 Romo fan
11-13-2012, 05:00 PM
verlander should have won over ellsbury. thats not a snub

It was hard finding 10 snubs in the past 10 years so I had to find snubs that I didn't necessarily agree with.

Miltstar
11-13-2012, 05:01 PM
Very hard to debate anything using the stats you've listed. You have W/L ERA Strikeouts for pitchers and Avg. HR's RBI's for hitters. :facepalm:

Max Power
11-13-2012, 05:02 PM
Trout not getting a Gold Glove this season is pretty absurd.

#1 Romo fan
11-13-2012, 05:03 PM
Very hard to debate anything using the stats you've listed. You have W/L ERA Strikeouts for pitchers and Avg. HR's RBI's for hitters. :facepalm:

Your probably right but I was too lazy to write anymore stats and I figured other people could look it up as well or remember.

Krush
11-13-2012, 05:03 PM
Agree with all of them except for the Verlander snub.

ATL#22
11-13-2012, 05:04 PM
Heyward for ROY

beldugo
11-13-2012, 05:05 PM
I don't agree on number 10 , 9 , 8 , 2. Those weren't snubs.

flea
11-13-2012, 05:07 PM
Bonds was disgusting in 2003 - there is no way anyone deserved MVP over him during any of that 4 years. I'd argue Bonds probably got robbed in 2000 but Jeff Kent did have a remarkable year himself that year.

Lincecum deserved every bit of that 2009 award - better ERA+, nearly the same number of innings, etc.

It was Chase Utley who got robbed in 2007 by Jimmy Rollins, not Matt Holliday.

The rest of them I either agree wholeheartedly or feel that reasonable people can disagree but it's close.

ciaban
11-13-2012, 05:08 PM
Good post. It still pisses me off to this day that Morneau beat Jeter for the MVP in 06. That season was Jete at his absolute finest.

People are mesmerized by the homerun I guess.
actually i felt that Joe Mauer deserved the MVP over both,

And holy crap look at that...
Jeter .343/.417/.483 14hr(hitters park)
Maruer .347/.429/.507(13hr pitchers park)

both played premium postions, but only one of them was good enough to actually play it.
1. 2007 NL MVP, Jimmy Rollins over Matt Holliday

Matt Holliday .340 36 137
Jimmy Rollins .296 30 94

What a joke!

in fairness you need to look at positional value, Rollins was a great defensive SS and Holliday was a crappy Left Fielder who hit poorly out side of Coors.

ztilzer31
11-13-2012, 05:08 PM
It's easy to look at stats and decide who had the better season. MVP's are all about circumstance, not stats. Who was the most valuable person on the team. If you want to throw WAR up there than maybe we could have this discussion.

S.P.
11-13-2012, 05:09 PM
A lot of those are close calls, not necessarily snubs.

Nymfan87
11-13-2012, 05:09 PM
And holy crap look at that...

1. 2007 NL MVP, Jimmy Rollins over Matt Holliday

Matt Holliday .340 36 137
Jimmy Rollins .296 30 94

What a joke!

David Wright was better than Matt Holliday that year.

SenorGato
11-13-2012, 05:11 PM
Ah yeah and count me on Verlander not snubbing Ellsbury.

That 2007 NL MVP award was a joke. I will say that in Rollins' favor - he's had an incredibly underrated career and you can make an argument for him in the Hall of Very Good with guys like Bernie Williams, Jeff Kent, and Jorge Posada.

2009mvp
11-13-2012, 05:17 PM
If anyone was snubbed last year it would have been Bautista not Ellsbury, but either way Verlander was a perfectly reasonable choice.

BrianWestKins
11-13-2012, 05:17 PM
2004 MVP Vlad over Sheffield. SNUB.

NYYCowboys
11-13-2012, 05:28 PM
Very hard to debate anything using the stats you've listed. You have W/L ERA Strikeouts for pitchers and Avg. HR's RBI's for hitters. :facepalm:

This.

Jeffy25
11-13-2012, 05:30 PM
Bonds deserved it over Pujols in 02.

It's the 06 award where Howard was given it over Pujols that's ********.


And 10, Wainwright didn't deserve it over Lincecum (says this Cards fan)

Miltstar
11-13-2012, 05:51 PM
"actually i felt that Joe Mauer deserved the MVP over both"

My vote would have gone to Ortiz or Santana

rkelly7
11-13-2012, 05:56 PM
I have compiled a list of award snubs of the past 10 years. Since it's award week, I thought that it would be nice to see you guys opinions on this.

10. 2009 NL CY Young, Tim Lincecum over Adam Wainwright.

Adam Wainwright, 19-8 2.63 212
Tim Lincecum, 15-7 2.48 261
9. 2003 AL Rookie of the Year, Angel Berroa over Hideki Matsui

Hideki Matsui .287 16 106
Angel Berroa .287 17 73

8. 2011 AL MVP, Justin Verlander over Jacoby Ellsbury

Jacoby Ellsbury .321 32 105 39 Steals
Justin Verlander 24-5 2.40 250
7. 2002 AL MVP, Miguel Tejada over Alex Rodriguez

Alex Rodriguez .300 57 142
Miguel Tejada .308 34 131

6. 2006 AL MVP, Justin Morneau over Derek Jeter

Derek Jeter .343 14 97
Justin Morneau .321 34 130

5. 2002 AL Cy Young, Barry Zito over Pedro Martinez

Pedro Martinez 20-4 2.26 239
Barry Zito 23-5 2.75 182

4. 2004 NL Cy Young, Roger Clemens over Randy Johnson

Randy Johnson 16-14 2.60 290
Roger Clemens 18-4 2.98 218

3. 2011 NL MVP, Ryan Braun over Matt Kemp

Matt Kemp .324 39 126
Ryan Braun .332 33 111

2. 2003 NL MVP, Barry Bonds over Albert Pujols

Albert Pujols .359 43 124
Barry Bonds .340 45 90
1. 2007 NL MVP, Jimmy Rollins over Matt Holliday

Matt Holliday .340 36 137
Jimmy Rollins .296 30 94

Do you agree, disagree, discuss

I don't really agree with these four being "snubs." Absolutely not #10, Timmy had a better year from what you're showing in those stats.

And in Bonds should have been the MVP in 2003 because he has so few AB's. Do you know what those stats would look like if he wasn't getting intentionally walked 2 times a game? That was probably one of the most domionant years by a hitter ever. MVP

ciaban
11-13-2012, 06:00 PM
2004 MVP Vlad over Sheffield. SNUB.

Vlad hit like .500 and 7 home runs in the last 2 weeks to carry the angels to the division,

Sheffield was behind both manny and papi in terms of MVP.

ciaban
11-13-2012, 06:02 PM
"actually i felt that Joe Mauer deserved the MVP over both"

My vote would have gone to Ortiz or Santana

i have a hard time giving the MVP to someone who only played a couple innings a game no matter how well he played.

Also, I can respect the santana one, but a pitcher has to be far and away better than everyone else in baseball before i feel comfortable giving them MVP

Jeffy25
11-13-2012, 06:03 PM
Again, 06 NL MVP, biggest snub of the last decade I'm fairly certain.

rcs15
11-13-2012, 06:10 PM
2. 2003 NL MVP, Barry Bonds over Albert Pujols

Albert Pujols .359 43 124
Barry Bonds .340 45 90



not to be rude or anything, but do you even watch baseball?

ciaban
11-13-2012, 06:16 PM
Again, 06 NL MVP, biggest snub of the last decade I'm fairly certain.

no, there is no god damn way that braun deserved the MVP over Kemp.

Kemp did everything better, including defense, he was the best player in the league.

NJBASEBALL22
11-13-2012, 06:27 PM
I think all of them are good, except for #1... Rollins has a good defense for winning MVP.

J. Roll's defense and base running have an impact. Holliday's home v. away splits...Holliday was still good on the road but only good. .722 slugging home vs .485 slugging away and his OBP drops 60 points as well and his BA drops 40 points too. Holliday was a negative defender in LF.

metswon69
11-13-2012, 06:28 PM
no, there is no god damn way that braun deserved the MVP over Kemp.

Kemp did everything better, including defense, he was the best player in the league.

Braun Vs Kemp was 2011 not 2006..

Pakman
11-13-2012, 06:32 PM
Cabrera over trout will be the new number 1 come Thursday..what a shame...

metswon69
11-13-2012, 06:33 PM
I think all of them are good, except for #1... Rollins has a good defense for winning MVP.

J. Roll's defense and base running have an impact. Holliday's home v. away splits...Holliday was still good on the road but only good. .722 slugging home vs .485 slugging away and his OBP drops 60 points as well and his BA drops 40 points too. Holliday was a negative defender in LF.

Wright was better than both of them in 2007.

8.8 fWAR compared to Holliday's 7.7 and Rollin's 6.9 (Shea Stadium was a lot less hitter friendly than Citizen's Bank and Coor's Field that year)

Wright also had the highest rWAR of the three. (8.1 to 5.8 for Holliday and 5.5 for Rollins)

Wright was essentially robbed by the Met's terrible finish.

Jeffy25
11-13-2012, 06:35 PM
no, there is no god damn way that braun deserved the MVP over Kemp.

Kemp did everything better, including defense, he was the best player in the league.

How on earth did you get Braun vs Kemp for the 06 NL MVP?

Braun was in Double A, and Kemp only played 52 games in the big leagues.

I didn't say last years MVP, last year it was close, tiny edge to Kemp, but not a snub

Jeffy25
11-13-2012, 06:45 PM
I'm not going to rank them, but here are my list of snubs since 02.

There are debetable snubs, like 11 and 05 NL Cy Youngs, but here are, 'these were messed up' awards


07
Wright should have won over Jimmy Rollins

06
Santana should have won over his team mate Justin Morneau
Pujols clearly should have won over Ryan Howard

05 Santana clearly deserved it over Bartolo Colon

04 Ichiro probably should have won, but Vlad def shouldn't have won. Not sure who really should have won, Ichiro makes a lot of sense though.
Johnson should have beat Clemens

02 A-Rod was way better than Tejada
Prior deserved it over Gagne


Didn't mess with Roy

so I got 8, clear snubs, 2 more debatable one's, and I only agree with Romo on the 02 AL MVP, and the 04 NL Cy Young. And while I agree there are some snubs at a few other years, we don't agree on who should have won.

metswon69
11-13-2012, 06:47 PM
Wright was also better defensively than Rollins and Holliday in 2007.

Highest UZR and DRS of the three.

Jeffy25
11-13-2012, 06:51 PM
Zito (bless his precious soul) shouldn't have won the Cy Young award over Pedro Martinez in 2002. No one mentioned that one yet really?

I wouldn't really call that one a snub. There was at least debate for it. Pedro probably should have won, but Zito didn't turn in a 05 Colon type of season or anything.

Jeffy25
11-13-2012, 06:53 PM
Ha. Way more of a snub than most of that original list.

Have to agree with you there.

Havoc Wreaker
11-13-2012, 06:54 PM
I think #4 should be #1 or #2, Holy ****!!!

Also to the Barry Bonds one :no:, it could've gone either way and it went the correct way :D

rcs15
11-13-2012, 07:00 PM
Zito (bless his precious soul) shouldn't have won the Cy Young award over Pedro Martinez in 2002. No one mentioned that one yet really?

That one is in the OP. One of the few that actually qualify as a snub on his list

Jeffy25
11-13-2012, 07:06 PM
....Pedro had about double the WAR of Zito even though he pitched 30 less innings in 2002.

Take a look at rWAR

flea
11-13-2012, 07:10 PM
Zito deserved it over Pedro. It may have been close but it certainly wasn't a robbery.

RTL
11-13-2012, 07:13 PM
Morneau over Santana in '06 was not a snub, that or I have a different definition of the word snub.

Jeffy25
11-13-2012, 07:17 PM
Morneau over Santana in '06 was not a snub, that or I have a different definition of the word snub.

Santana was better than his peers, then Morneau was better than his peers

Santana - 7.3 rWAR, 7.3 fWAR
Morneau - 4.0 rWAR, 4.0 fWAR


Morneau was a .390 wOBA, 138 wRC+ first basemen
Santana was an elite pitcher. Santana was the best player in the AL in 06


Hell Sizemore hit almost as well as Morneau, and was a good defensive centerfielder, over an average to weak fielding first basemen.

Morneau didn't deserve the award

koldjerky
11-13-2012, 07:19 PM
Utley not winning any GG at 2B.

Jeffy25
11-13-2012, 07:20 PM
It's actually really laughable how Morneau won that award, 12th in the AL offensively, and he played first base, and not that well.

popo85
11-13-2012, 07:22 PM
Nice stuff, i'll add one although it was 17 yrs back. Though it wasn't a huge snub i thought Belle deserved it that year.

95'-
Vaughn .300avg 39hr 126rbi .575 slug
Belle .326avg 50hr 52 doubles 126 rbi .690 slug 6.6 WAR

RTL
11-13-2012, 07:23 PM
Santana was better than his peers, then Morneau was better than his peers

Santana - 7.3 rWAR, 7.3 fWAR
Morneau - 4.0 rWAR, 4.0 fWAR


Morneau was a .390 wOBA, 138 wRC+ first basemen
Santana was an elite pitcher. Santana was the best player in the AL in 06


Hell Sizemore hit almost as well as Morneau, and was a good defensive centerfielder, over an average to weak fielding first basemen.

Morneau didn't deserve the award
Morneau was one of the top players in all of baseball from June on that year and when he took off, the Twins took off. Plus all the Twins were basically campaigning for Morneau that season.

Skippy15
11-13-2012, 07:24 PM
actually i felt that Joe Mauer deserved the MVP over both,


in fairness you need to look at positional value, Rollins was a great defensive SS and Holliday was a crappy Left Fielder who hit poorly out side of Coors.

In 2007 Matt Holliday hit .371 at home and .301 on the road.

.435 OBP at home
.371 OBP on road

25 home runs at home
11 on the road

28 doubles at home
22 on road

-.07 defensive war.

Argument that his OBP dropped majorly on road invalid. He's still posting a great one at .371

Wish I could be that crappy a left fielder and hitter away from home :rolleyes:

Jeffy25
11-13-2012, 07:28 PM
Morneau was one of the top players in all of baseball from June on that year and when he took off, the Twins took off. Plus all the Twins were basically campaigning for Morneau that season.

So because the Twins players felt he deserved it (and who knows if they even thought Santana was a possibility) that means he did?

Santana was the best player in the AL that year, Morneau, was maybe the 15th of 20th.

Hell Frank Thomas, Travis Hafner, and Jim Thome all deserved it over him and they all played the same position.

Jeffy25
11-13-2012, 07:29 PM
in fairness you need to look at positional value, Rollins was a great defensive SS and Holliday was a crappy Left Fielder who hit poorly out side of Coors.

No he didn't and wasn't :confused:

RTL
11-13-2012, 07:35 PM
So because the Twins players felt he deserved it (and who knows if they even thought Santana was a possibility) that means he did?

Santana was the best player in the AL that year, Morneau, was maybe the 15th of 20th.

Hell Frank Thomas, Travis Hafner, and Jim Thome all deserved it over him and they all played the same position.

Nooooo, I stated why he was deserving of the award. The rest was an explanation of why he did win the award.

And no, Thomas, Hafner and Thome were all DHs with Hafner appearing in 40 less games than Morneau.

ATL#22
11-13-2012, 09:19 PM
Was waiting for you with this one!

I love you

Sick Of It All
11-13-2012, 09:25 PM
Wright was the one that got robbed in 2007.

Nomar
11-13-2012, 10:53 PM
Now that WAR has hype theres gonna be a lot less snubbing i would think.

Pittz
11-13-2012, 11:12 PM
I hate that Pedro never won MVP, and last year Verlander did.

Nomar
11-13-2012, 11:20 PM
I hate that Pedro never won MVP, and last year Verlander did.

x2

He shouldve won multiple MVPs considering what Verlander did to win his.

bosox3431
11-14-2012, 12:51 AM
Go to a year jeter won a gold glove, then pick just about any other ss and thats hakf your list

masq
11-14-2012, 05:35 AM
i always thought Carlos Delgado losing to a-rod in 2003 was a snub.

utl768
11-14-2012, 06:01 AM
if dickey somehow loses the cy young tommorow thatd be a pretty big snub

def top 2-3

More-Than-Most
11-14-2012, 06:09 AM
Howard over fat albert

More-Than-Most
11-14-2012, 06:13 AM
Utley not winning any GG at 2B.

/thread

Someone make an argument against this please

More-Than-Most
11-14-2012, 06:14 AM
if dickey somehow loses the cy young tommorow thatd be a pretty big snub

def top 2-3

Seriously? Do you not realize how good Kershaw is/was? I dont mind either winning it to be honest but to me it would go to kershaw.... Whomever of the 2 win it would not be considering a huge snub.

ritz
11-14-2012, 10:06 AM
Jimmy Rollins wasn't even the best player on the Phillies in 2007.

ciaban
11-14-2012, 10:59 AM
Braun Vs Kemp was 2011 not 2006..
i know...

Kemp's wOBA: .413
Braun's wOBA: .426

Kemp's Fld: -4.6
Braun's Fld: -3.8

Kemp's K%: 23.1%
Braun's K%: 14.8%

I'd say it was a bit of a coin flip myself. Their numbers where actually fairly similar, with both having slight leads in multiple categories.
where are you getting the fielding percentage from?

Matt Kemp had a higher on base percentage, K's have become OK now, no one cares if someone strikes out 200 times in a season.

How on earth did you get Braun vs Kemp for the 06 NL MVP?

Braun was in Double A, and Kemp only played 52 games in the big leagues.

I didn't say last years MVP, last year it was close, tiny edge to Kemp, but not a snub
I was talking about 2011, i don't know why people thought i was talking about 06? I was saying that braun winning over kemp in 11 was a bigger snub than 06.

Young2Kinsler
11-14-2012, 11:00 AM
Looking at RBI and HR to determine the best player in baseball...

BRILLIANT!

Young2Kinsler
11-14-2012, 11:01 AM
Looking at RBI and HR to determine the best player in baseball...

BRILLIANT!

AlexStr
11-14-2012, 11:04 AM
2003 Bonds vs. 2003 Pujols vs. last years best HITTER (Miggy)

45 HR, 90 RBI, 148 BB, .529 OBP, .749 SLG, 1.278 OPS, 8.9 WAR
43 HR, 124 RBI, 79 BB, .439 OBP, .667 SLG, 1.106 OPS, 8.3 WAR
44 HR, 139 RBI, 66 BB, .393 OBP, .606 SLG, .999 OPS, 6.9 WAR

Pujols had more RBI's...thats pretty much it

gaughan333
11-14-2012, 12:22 PM
I have compiled a list of award snubs of the past 10 years. Since it's award week, I thought that it would be nice to see you guys opinions on this.

10. 2009 NL CY Young, Tim Lincecum over Adam Wainwright.

Adam Wainwright, 19-8 2.63 212
Tim Lincecum, 15-7 2.48 261



Are you just looking at wins?

TheIlladelph16
11-14-2012, 12:42 PM
In terms of the Rollins winning MVP over Holliday, I can see why that was considered a snub. Although, Rollins winning had more to do with his hitting as he was the best fielding SS in baseball. He also set some record that season involving the number of triples/doubles/SBs/etc (honestly too lazy to look it up). Plus it was the first year the Phils made the playoffs since the early 90's so he was seen as the catalyst to an epic August/September run. Personally, I think Holliday was just as deserving, but a good case can be made for Rollins. that year.

Another thing to keep in mind, it should have gone to Utley that season who was absolutely tearing it up until Lannan broke his hand with a pitch. Had he not missed that month with an injury late in the season, it would have been a completely deserving Utley that won it.

Buckwheat
11-14-2012, 12:51 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2005.shtml#NLmvp

Andruw Jones placing higher than D-Lee in 05 still makes me laugh.

Daaaarryyl
11-14-2012, 09:55 PM
1988 NL MVP

Kirk Gibson beating out Darryl Strawberry was pretty bad.

SpecialFNK
11-15-2012, 12:44 AM
I wasn't sure where to drop this, but since Barry Bonds is talked about in here I guess this is good.
has anyone seen Bonds head lately? holy ****.
unless this is a bad picture.
his head shrunk.
not sure if because he is getting older, or maybe more so because he no longer taking PED.
I just thought it was interesting.

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Barry+Bonds+Spike+TV+Eddie+Murphy+One+Night+7xZwM6 7LKoJl.jpg

dodgerdave
11-15-2012, 12:47 AM
I have compiled a list of award snubs of the past 10 years. Since it's award week, I thought that it would be nice to see you guys opinions on this.

10. 2009 NL CY Young, Tim Lincecum over Adam Wainwright.

Adam Wainwright, 19-8 2.63 212
Tim Lincecum, 15-7 2.48 261

9. 2003 AL Rookie of the Year, Angel Berroa over Hideki Matsui

Hideki Matsui .287 16 106
Angel Berroa .287 17 73

8. 2011 AL MVP, Justin Verlander over Jacoby Ellsbury

Jacoby Ellsbury .321 32 105 39 Steals
Justin Verlander 24-5 2.40 250

7. 2002 AL MVP, Miguel Tejada over Alex Rodriguez

Alex Rodriguez .300 57 142
Miguel Tejada .308 34 131

6. 2006 AL MVP, Justin Morneau over Derek Jeter

Derek Jeter .343 14 97
Justin Morneau .321 34 130

5. 2002 AL Cy Young, Barry Zito over Pedro Martinez

Pedro Martinez 20-4 2.26 239
Barry Zito 23-5 2.75 182

4. 2004 NL Cy Young, Roger Clemens over Randy Johnson

Randy Johnson 16-14 2.60 290
Roger Clemens 18-4 2.98 218

3. 2011 NL MVP, Ryan Braun over Matt Kemp

Matt Kemp .324 39 126
Ryan Braun .332 33 111

2. 2003 NL MVP, Barry Bonds over Albert Pujols

Albert Pujols .359 43 124
Barry Bonds .340 45 90

1. 2007 NL MVP, Jimmy Rollins over Matt Holliday

Matt Holliday .340 36 137
Jimmy Rollins .296 30 94

Do you agree, disagree, discuss

How were you able to overlook Bartolo Colon over Johan Santana for the 2005 AL Cy Young that season? That was the snub of the decade. Santana was far more dominant than Colon that season. But it was quite obvious that the voters chose Colon because of the W-L record.

kyubi256
11-15-2012, 05:22 AM
How were you able to overlook Bartolo Colon over Johan Santana for the 2005 AL Cy Young that season? That was the snub of the decade. Santana was far more dominant than Colon that season. But it was quite obvious that the voters chose Colon because of the W-L record.

Partially that and also partially because Santana, although more dominant, had a "not-Santana like" year. His advanced stats were lower than they had been in any other year. It sort of sparked talks of a decline, and he was snubbed because the voters probably felt that he didn't warrant it because it wasn't on par with what they expect out of Santana.

Vinny642
11-15-2012, 10:22 PM
Posey over J-Hey for ROY....

flea
11-15-2012, 10:35 PM
Cabrera over Trout 2012 for MVP.

Jeffy25
11-15-2012, 11:28 PM
Cabrera over Trout 2012 for MVP.

annnnnnnnd the winner

MetsFanatic19
11-15-2012, 11:43 PM
Cabrera over Trout 2012 for MVP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf1FgOQ-36A&feature=fvst