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JasonJohnHorn
11-13-2012, 11:49 AM
Every generation has some great players that rival each other. When I started watching it was Jordan and drexler at the SG spot (though Mitch Richmond deserves mention). And at power forward it was Barkley and Malone. I always liked Barkley's personality more when I was younger, but I have a great appreciation for both players and see them as equals.

Since they retire it seems like the conversation is between Duncan and Garnett. Dirk is up there to, and obviously he is the most gifted shooter of the three, but let us be honest and say that he was never the rebounder or defender that Garnett and Duncan have been.

I expect ten years from now people will be comparing notes between Kevin Love and Blake Griffen.

So my question is this: Who is the best PF since the Barkley/Malone era? Duncan? Or Garnett? I know most will be inclined to say Duncan and note that he has four rings to Garnett's one, but you might want to ask yourself as well; Had Duncan and Garnett traded spots would their careers be much different? Would the Spurs have been able to win four rings with Garnett? And would the T-wolves and their awful front office have been able to win any rings with Duncan? And how would Duncan have faired with Ray Allen and Paul Pierce?

I think the two are about equals, though I like Duncan's approach. Garnett is one of those players that celebrates a lot on the floor when he should be getting back on defense. Duncan is all business.

b@llhog24
11-13-2012, 11:51 AM
Duncan
KG
Dirk

asandhu23
11-13-2012, 11:51 AM
uh. Duncan.

b@llhog24
11-13-2012, 11:52 AM
I honestly think Dirk has a decent case of being on par with Karl.

Longhornfan1234
11-13-2012, 11:53 AM
Every generation has some great players that rival each other. When I started watching it was Jordan and drexler at the SG spot (though Mitch Richmond deserves mention). And at power forward it was Barkley and Malone. I always liked Barkley's personality more when I was younger, but I have a great appreciation for both players and see them as equals.

Since they retire it seems like the conversation is between Duncan and Garnett. Dirk is up there to, and obviously he is the most gifted shooter of the three, but let us be honest and say that he was never the rebounder or defender that Garnett and Duncan have been.

I expect ten years from now people will be comparing notes between Kevin Love and Blake Griffen.

So my question is this: Who is the best PF since the Barkley/Malone era? Duncan? Or Garnett? I know most will be inclined to say Duncan and note that he has four rings to Garnett's one, but you might want to ask yourself as well; Had Duncan and Garnett traded spots would their careers be much different? Would the Spurs have been able to win four rings with Garnett? And would the T-wolves and their awful front office have been able to win any rings with Duncan? And how would Duncan have faired with Ray Allen and Paul Pierce?

I think the two are about equals, though I like Duncan's approach. Garnett is one of those players that celebrates a lot on the floor when he should be getting back on defense. Duncan is all business.


Who's that chick in your sig? OH LORRRRRRRRRD.

Heediot
11-13-2012, 11:54 AM
Duncan.

His skill set impacts the game more. Coaches have more nightmares trying to defend Duncan when both were in their primes. His ability to face up or post you down or find a cutter or kick it out to the three is so sick. Garnett is a great player but Duncan is a notch above. Duncan had more strength to defend the stronger bigger PF's and Most C's. Garnett had better handles and was quicker that's about it.

Longhornfan1234
11-13-2012, 11:56 AM
Duncan.

His skill set impacts the game more. Coaches have more nightmares trying to defend Ducan. His ability to face up or post you down or find a cutter or kick it out to the three is so sick. Garnett is a great player but Duncan is a notch above. Duncan had more strength to defend the stronger bigger PF's and Most C's. Garnett had better handles and was quicker that's about it.

KG is more versatile defensively and a better passer.

kyubi256
11-13-2012, 12:00 PM
I agree you should ask yourself what would have happened if they traded spots. But that did not happen. Instead, what occurred was that Duncan was part of a Spurs dynasty. And Garnett could not find his place until he joined Boston. It is as much his fault as it is the ownership and team. So I went with Duncan.

Because we can't ask "what if." Since we don't know what would have happened. All we know is that Duncan as your star is a formula for success (Look at the Spurs). Garnett as your star is also successful, but not as successful

JasonJohnHorn
11-13-2012, 12:03 PM
Who's that chick in your sig? OH LORRRRRRRRRD.

Her name is Christy Mack

NYKnickFanatic
11-13-2012, 12:07 PM
Duncan easily.

Green Storm
11-13-2012, 12:09 PM
Does this question need to be asked? It's Duncan and it is not even close.

Im_in_Mia_bish
11-13-2012, 12:09 PM
Duncan lol

Best PF of all time.

mightybosstone
11-13-2012, 12:13 PM
C'mon man. I have respected, loved and (at times) hated Dirk and Garnett over their Hall of Fame careers, but they can't touch Tim Duncan. Duncan's numbers are vastly superior AND the dude has four rings compared to KG and Dirk's one apiece.

The better thread would have been Dirk or KG. Now THAT would be an extremely interesting, likely heated discussion. Someone should just close this thread and create a new thread with that argument instead.

JiffyMix88
11-13-2012, 12:25 PM
ok lets put one real guy with post moves in there against two people who use mid range jumpers and fade aways to get majority of their points and lets see who wins....

Jint.
11-13-2012, 12:26 PM
1 Timmy
2 KG
3 Dirk

asandhu23
11-13-2012, 12:33 PM
Dirk is overrated. People forget how he got shut down in 2007 by Baron Davis.

STA_PLAR
11-13-2012, 12:34 PM
Timmy is the greatest PF ever. He dethroned the three time champion lakers (which ws arguably one of the greatest teams) and had them crying like little girls on the bench. He won four NBA titles with straight fundamentals and always made the right play.

kdspurman
11-13-2012, 12:37 PM
KG is more versatile defensively and a better passer.

Both are debatable... Especially if we're talking about their respective prime/best years. Even now both are exceptional passing bigs. But I wouldn't put 1 over the other, which is why I think its debatable.

HowFit
11-13-2012, 12:41 PM
Duncan for sure...

GunFactor187
11-13-2012, 12:49 PM
Timmy Dunks for sure.

Heediot
11-13-2012, 12:52 PM
KG is more versatile defensively and a better passer.

Off the dribble yeah he was better passer, Duncan was just as good otherwise, some would argue Tim has better vision. KG might have an edge as a help defender and has more lateral quickness and foot-speed on defense. Duncan in his prime was arguably the best or top 2 in the NBA (Behind Ben Wallace) defensively.

Manimal
11-13-2012, 12:54 PM
Duncan, greatest PF of all time.

iDefend10
11-13-2012, 01:08 PM
Easily Duncan, IMO. Garnett and Dirk are great players in there own right (top 25 imo) but Duncan is top 10 all time.

ManningToTyree
11-13-2012, 01:19 PM
Timmy
kg


dirk

Baller1
11-13-2012, 01:24 PM
Duncan, next question.

bagwell368
11-13-2012, 01:36 PM
It's a tough quesiton.

1a. Duncan
1b. KG

1c. Dirk

Given the lack of true bigs these days, how would you like to start a team with all 3 of these guys in their early prime?

Duncan plays C/low post
KG plays hi post on O, but is a black widow in the paint on D
Dirk wanders around the 3 point line.

You could win rings with that bunch, even with the 7 guys being D league scrubs with 2 guards that can handle the ball, and play some D.

The goods
11-13-2012, 01:37 PM
Duncan by far and Dirk is more of a jump shooter like Bosh and neither should be in this conversation.

JordansBulls
11-13-2012, 02:00 PM
How is this even a question?

justinnum1
11-13-2012, 02:01 PM
duncan and its not even close. at all.

b@llhog24
11-13-2012, 02:03 PM
Duncan is better than Garnett, but this whole "it's not even close" thing is a bit of overkill.

Avenged
11-13-2012, 02:18 PM
Lets see..

The greatest PF of all-time or KG, Dirk?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

bigbeardaboss
11-13-2012, 02:25 PM
Duncan and its not even close.

Garnett would be a distant second.

Followed by P Gasol,Dirk anf Ben Wallace(although he also played center) in no particular order

NYYCowboys
11-13-2012, 02:35 PM
Duncan by far.

ewing
11-13-2012, 02:42 PM
Duncan and its not even close.

Garnett would be a distant second.

Followed by P Gasol,Dirk anf Ben Wallace(although he also played center) in no particular order

You from Detroit?

ewing
11-13-2012, 02:43 PM
I go Duncan, Dirk, KG, C Webb, Gasol, Amare, Jermane O'neal

ewing
11-13-2012, 02:48 PM
Also, don't forgot about Arman "The Hammer" Gilliam

Greedy22
11-13-2012, 03:00 PM
Alright, who voted for Dirk? :laugh2:

bigbeardaboss
11-13-2012, 03:31 PM
[QUOTE=ewing;24308152]You from Detroit?[/QUOTE

Lol. No, I am just a very informed NYer.

Most fans tend to over emphasize scoring as the barometer to measure a great player. There are many other aspects to this game such as rebounding, shot blocking, defense and assists that also count.

Wallace was a horrible scorer but was great in his prime at rebounding, shot blocking and playing scrappy defense against opponents that were much taller.

He was a real blue collar player and most New Yorkers respect that.

ewing
11-13-2012, 03:40 PM
[QUOTE=ewing;24308152]You from Detroit?[/QUOTE

Lol. No, I am just a very informed NYer.

Most fans tend to over emphasize scoring as the barometer to measure a great player. There are many other aspects to this game such as rebounding, shot blocking, defense and assists that also count.

Wallace was a horrible scorer but was great in his prime at rebounding, shot blocking and playing scrappy defense against opponents that were much taller.

He was a real blue collar player and most New Yorkers respect that.


I know he rebounded the crap out of the ball and play great D (I think he got 4 DPOY awards- i hate the way they pick that award but you don't win it for nothing). On the other hand, he only played on one side of the ball and was only an impact player for the Piston. He had about 6 years were he was an impact player and spent most of that time at center.


Sorry, i don't see how you can put a guy didn't have a long run, only played on one side of the ball, and was a center during his best moments as the 3rd best PF.

Maybe its your love of the blue collar guy making you basised instead of your home town :)

nickdymez
11-13-2012, 03:43 PM
I think this is obviously Tim Duncan

N3TS
11-13-2012, 03:53 PM
The Big Fundamental.

bigbeardaboss
11-13-2012, 04:22 PM
[QUOTE=bigbeardaboss;24308579]


I know he rebounded the crap out of the ball and play great D (I think he got 4 DPOY awards- i hate the way they pick that award but you don't win it for nothing). On the other hand, he only played on one side of the ball and was only an impact player for the Piston. He had about 6 years were he was an impact player and spent most of that time at center.


Sorry, i don't see how you can put a guy didn't have a long run, only played on one side of the ball, and was a center during his best moments as the 3rd best PF.

Maybe its your love of the blue collar guy making you basised instead of your home town :)

Not third but it that class after Duncan and Garnett.

4x DPOY
2 NBA finals
1 Championship
6 all defensive teams
Led NBA for two season in bounds and shot blocks
4 time all star
In his prime (00/01 - 06/07) avgd 12.6 bounds and 2.66 blocks

P Harvy
11-13-2012, 04:43 PM
No Klove option?

ewing
11-13-2012, 04:47 PM
No Klove option?


Little early for that homes

Jarvo
11-13-2012, 05:00 PM
Duncan :dance::worthy::bow:

Shareeb_omac2
11-13-2012, 05:03 PM
Always thought Dirk's impact on his team was greater than either of those guys.

Ezio
11-13-2012, 05:04 PM
The dude that brought me back into BBall... Duncan.

ziglur
11-13-2012, 05:11 PM
Duncan and you need to go back further. Hes better than both of them

KnicksorBust
11-13-2012, 05:14 PM
Thank god this thread is a landslide. :laugh:

kdspurman
11-13-2012, 05:23 PM
Always thought Dirk's impact on his team was greater than either of those guys.

How so? He was such a 1 dimensional player

TheNumber37
11-13-2012, 05:46 PM
uh, I know. who is the best SG in the post Jordan era, Kobe, wade or Iverson.

or best center after hakeem? shaq or...

Bishnoff
11-13-2012, 08:14 PM
Duncan IMO.

JayW_1023
11-13-2012, 08:42 PM
Duncan.

the avenger
11-15-2012, 05:05 PM
Nice to know:

career technicals:
Karl Malone 332 (# 1 all time)
Charles Barkley 329
Garnett 145
Nowitzki 108
Duncan 70