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Jeffy25
11-12-2012, 09:33 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/20956505/lefty-star-affeldt-giants-appear-to-have-agreement-on-new-3-year-deal

That's a lot for a reliever, but he is probably worth it.

Fly
11-12-2012, 09:35 PM
Holy overpayment, Batman!

sacgiants1213
11-12-2012, 09:35 PM
Here we go again (referring to a Dodgers vs Giants argument).

Jeffy25
11-12-2012, 09:37 PM
I believe Affeldt is worth 6 million per season. But 3 years is a commitment.

The money isn't bad, the years would worry me a bit. If it is an overpayment, it's not horrible (much like League).

If he replicates what he did these last 3 years for the Giants, it would be a fair deal, and his last deal was a 3/14 deal.

6/32 for one of the best lefty relievers in the game? Not horrible.

LASportsFan1996
11-12-2012, 09:37 PM
Overpay!

Sick Of It All
11-12-2012, 09:38 PM
Wow, that is a lot for a reliever, but I expected him to get paid big by somebody this off season.

Yankee Clipper
11-12-2012, 09:38 PM
Slight overpay, but he could very well live up to it.

Fly
11-12-2012, 09:42 PM
Last year when he made only $5,000,000, he accounted for 4.03% of the Giants' payroll and only 2.12% of their on-field performance. I just don't think it's a good idea to pay a reliever that much.

Jeffy25
11-12-2012, 09:44 PM
Last year when he made only $5,000,000, he accounted for 4.03% of the Giants' payroll and only 2.12% of their on-field performance. I just don't think it's a good idea to pay a reliever that much.

That is certainly a good catch, and shows the value of a reliever, especially in terms of innings.

But he is in there to go for lefties, and be able to get through righties when necessary.

DodgerB24
11-12-2012, 09:47 PM
There go the Giants trying to buy wins! :rolleyes:

Slight overpay, but it might be worth it.

RTL
11-12-2012, 09:51 PM
Affeldt is not a lefty specialist as some have tried to claim over the year. This type of overpayment was expected but I thought he would give the Giants some kind of discount since they gave him security.

giants73756
11-12-2012, 09:53 PM
Overpaid by a little, but nothing to really fret about. I'm stoked to have him back for another 3 years.

HowFit
11-12-2012, 10:07 PM
Def a lot for a reliever...

sportscrazy34
11-12-2012, 10:11 PM
A little high maybe but well worth it. Good signing for the Giants.

MetsFanatic19
11-12-2012, 10:15 PM
Wow. His price definitly sky rocketed after the postseason he had.

BKLYNpigeon
11-12-2012, 10:24 PM
He Deserves it and will deliver on that contract. Affeldt is going to be a Long Reliever in the Giants Bullpen.

lol, please
11-12-2012, 10:25 PM
Overpay!

Pot calling kettle black.



I have no problem with this signing. As others have said, it was a bit of an overpay, but to be expected.

BKLYNpigeon
11-12-2012, 10:26 PM
The Giants have Aaron Rowand's contract (15 million) coming off the books. He was the highest paid position player on the Giants payroll, lol.

the Giants also got 55 million this year from TV revenue.


who caes about the money.. theres no cap to worry about and its not my money.
its better to have Affeldt a bit overpaid, then to not have him at all.

Rush
11-12-2012, 10:35 PM
Not a fan of giving relievers 5M+, but like everyone said, it was expected. Just glad that he's back on the team. Would've been a big weapon lost if he signed elsewhere.

LASportsFan1996
11-12-2012, 10:38 PM
who caes about the money.. theres no cap to worry about and its not my money.
its better to have Affeldt a bit overpaid, then to not have him at all.

Man the irony of this, not necc. you specifically, but... :laugh2:

lol, please
11-12-2012, 10:43 PM
Man the irony of this, not necc. you specifically, but... :laugh2:

It was a Dodger fan-esque thing to say. I read that and winced earlier. I think it might have been sarcasm though.

LASportsFan1996
11-12-2012, 10:45 PM
It was a Dodger fan-esque thing to say. I read that and winced earlier. I think it might have been sarcasm though.

Maybe lol

When I said Overpay! that was sarcasm from me

BKLYNpigeon
11-12-2012, 10:54 PM
Seriously, who cares. The Giants made money winning the World Series again.

Its better to have Affeldt on the Team, then not.

I just hope the Giants have restraint when it comes to Pagan....

lol, please
11-12-2012, 10:57 PM
^Agreed.

SenorGato
11-12-2012, 11:00 PM
Cheaper than League because they're wearing the halo right now, but both dollar amounts should speak to how late inning arms are becoming more and more valuable.

Also CS Sabean reminds us:


There is one vice of which no man in the world is free and that is overpaying for relief pitching.

otatop
11-12-2012, 11:01 PM
I wonder if his contract has any incentives for popping out another kid...

lol, please
11-12-2012, 11:04 PM
Cheaper than League because they're wearing the halo right now, but both dollar amounts should speak to how late inning arms are becoming more and more valuable.

Also CS Sabean reminds us:

That's an old CS Sabean tweet and you already posted it in the MLB forum before. :pity:

Rush
11-12-2012, 11:07 PM
I wonder if his contract has any incentives for popping out another kid...

It better. They guarantee World Series appearances.

SenorGato
11-12-2012, 11:11 PM
That's an old CS Sabean tweet and you already posted it in the MLB forum before. :pity:

:facepalm: Never forget. The man is wise.

Burkey3472
11-12-2012, 11:12 PM
It's an overpayment but I'm ok with it. He's worth it if he can produce like he has in the past and if he does decline 6 million isn't going to prevent them from going out and getting a piece for a run.

lol, please
11-12-2012, 11:12 PM
It better. They guarantee World Series appearances.


It must be nice to get a chance to see your team in a WS. Even if just one. Oh wait....

Whew, it sure feels great to be a Giants fan! :drunk:

Leandres_sf
11-13-2012, 12:06 AM
Good deal, a little high on the $, but he's been really good...even better in the Playoffs.

UPRock
11-13-2012, 12:34 AM
Better than League, I LOVE it.

raidersrock99
11-13-2012, 12:46 AM
too much money imo

i love affy though

Cracka2HI!
11-13-2012, 01:47 AM
I think League set the market, but this I find it kinda of funny the Giants spent similar money for a similar reliever who is 4 years older.

sfattahian
11-13-2012, 01:56 AM
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/20956505/lefty-star-affeldt-giants-appear-to-have-agreement-on-new-3-year-deal

That's a lot for a reliever, but he is probably worth it.

not bad considering what the Dodgers gave Brandon League.

if any of you saw how he mowed through the "best 3-4-5" in baseball in detroit late in game 4 of the world series, you'll know that it's a bargain. he's consistent and as a LHP he's very effective against both LHB and RHB. 3 quality pitches, fastball, slider and old uncle charlie. maybe the best clubhouse guy on a team of great clubhouse guys.

d79cheese
11-13-2012, 01:58 AM
I think League set the market, but this I find it kinda of funny the Giants spent similar money for a similar reliever who is 4 years older.

4.5 million less guarnenteed is not similar money, and in case nobody noticed League's deal can actually reach over 30 million based on incentives and options.

Not to mention Affeldt is a lefty that can get both righties and lefties out (something League cannot boast) and has come up huge in two WS runs.

d79cheese
11-13-2012, 02:01 AM
anyone wanting to compare the League and Affeldt deals, read this:


If you thought the Dodgers giving Brandon League a three-year, $22.5 million contract was nuts, you may want to sit down for this.

Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times has the full contract breakdown and the deal could be worth as much as $33.5 million. Seriously:


"If League finishes 55 games in 2015, the deal will include a $7.5-million player option for a fourth season. If League finishes 55 games in 2015 and 100 games over 2014 and 15, the option will be worth $8.5 million. If he finishes 55 games in 2015 and 150 games in 2013-15, it will be worth $9 million.

League can earn $500,000 in performance-based incentives in every year of the contract: $150,000 for 55 games finished, $250,000 for 60 games finished and $100,000 for 65 games finished."

To put that in some context, nine pitchers finished 55 or more games this year and Jose Valverde led MLB with 67 games finished. So even if the Dodgers hand League the closer job and he doesn’t give it back by pitching horribly he’s no sure thing to reach 55 games finished in 2015, but … yeah, the contract is even crazier than everyone thought last week.

Cracka2HI!
11-13-2012, 02:03 AM
4.5 million less guarnenteed is not similar money, and in case nobody noticed League's deal can actually reach over 30 million based on incentives and options.

Not to mention Affeldt is a lefty that can get both righties and lefties out (something League cannot boast) and has come up huge in two WS runs.
LOL! Obviously hit a sore spot. I didn't say it's not a good signing, but yes I did compare it to the League signing...and no $4.5 mil in the grand scheme of things is not a lot...especially if you consider that if League was 33 he prob would have gotten $6 mil per. LOL at the incentives you mention. If he actually hits those than he's a legit closer worth $10 mil per year.

d79cheese
11-13-2012, 02:15 AM
LOL! Obviously hit a sore spot. I didn't say it's not a good signing, but yes I did compare it to the League signing...and no $4.5 mil in the grand scheme of things is not a lot...especially if you consider that if League was 33 he prob would have gotten $6 mil per. LOL at the incentives you mention. If he actually hits those than he's a legit closer worth $10 mil per year.

Not sure how you conclude that finishing games makes you a legit closer when they mentioned Valverde being a pitcher that led the major leagues in games finished.

I'd be very curious to hear how Affeldt and League are similar pitchers anyways..

Cracka2HI!
11-13-2012, 02:21 AM
Not sure how you conclude that finishing games makes you a legit closer when they mentioned Valverde being a pitcher that led the major leagues in games finished.

I'd be very curious to hear how Affeldt and League are similar pitchers anyways..

I guess you misread my post...I said if he hits the incentives you brought up that he would be a legit closer. He has decent numbers as a closer anyway and did well for the Dodgers.

Bowman53
11-13-2012, 02:39 AM
Not sure how you conclude that finishing games makes you a legit closer when they mentioned Valverde being a pitcher that led the major leagues in games finished.

I'd be very curious to hear how Affeldt and League are similar pitchers anyways..

same here

CHRISDODGERS
11-13-2012, 03:46 AM
cool bring up Brandon League for no reason. makes sense because this thread is about the Dodgers and all.

anyway, nice signing. I kinda wanted him but I guess we're going cheap with Elbert & Rodriguez.

giants73756
11-13-2012, 03:55 AM
You must not have noticed that a Dodgers fan was the first to bring up League in this thread.

giants73756
11-13-2012, 04:00 AM
Last year when he made only $5,000,000, he accounted for 4.03% of the Giants' payroll and only 2.12% of their on-field performance. I just don't think it's a good idea to pay a reliever that much.
I like how you make this seem so black and white. There's such a thing as supply and demand, not to mention that the game isn't played on paper.

I'm assuming you simply took his season WAR and divided it by the whole Giants team season WAR?
I think that 2.12% is just the amount of innings pitched by him relative to the rest of the team. I don't think he was taking into account the quality of the innings pitched.

Jeffy25
11-13-2012, 04:03 AM
I think that 2.12% is just the amount of innings pitched by him relative to the rest of the team. I don't think he was taking into account the quality of the innings pitched.

How about this?

4.03% of the teams payroll

15.5% of the pitching teams WPA, and 7.7% of the teams total WPA


So positive net value in that sense :)

CHRISDODGERS
11-13-2012, 04:12 AM
You must not have noticed that a Dodgers fan was the first to bring up League in this thread.

that's what I meant lol.

ciaban
11-13-2012, 04:34 AM
even though people are saying over pay, i really feel he gave the giants a discount, i think he could have gotten 3/24mill

Fly
11-13-2012, 08:35 AM
I like how you make this seem so black and white. There's such a thing as supply and demand, not to mention that the game isn't played on paper.

I'm assuming you simply took his season WAR and divided it by the whole Giants team season WAR?

I just used the stats from baseballplayersalaries.com, and was pointing out the fact that relievers do often get overpaid. Yes, I know there's supply and demand & I know the game isn't played on paper, but it was just an interesting tidbit I found.

Pinstripe pride
11-13-2012, 09:37 AM
wow that a big deal for a releiver

HowFit
11-13-2012, 09:52 AM
even though people are saying over pay, i really feel he gave the giants a discount, i think he could have gotten 3/24mill

only by the Dodgers...

GIANTS 4 LIFE
11-13-2012, 12:02 PM
This is a good deal for the giants as they get to keep in place one of their main stays since 2009...If he hit the open market I think the price could have been driven up higher..This team wins with pitching and the giants do not have a lefty that could have replaced Affeldt. Glad he is back.

Scully in 2012
11-13-2012, 12:48 PM
Here we go again (referring to a Dodgers vs Giants argument).


Omg. I can't believe it.!!! Why would anyone pay that much for a reliever? They totally overspent. This is crazy!

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Algmuskrats
11-13-2012, 01:06 PM
I wouldn't worry about him being overpaid if he shows hes worth it.

Mr. LA
11-13-2012, 01:36 PM
First off ... regarding League ... what did the Dodgers pay for him? 23 Million? or whatever it was... welll it doesn't matter if we overpayed or not because 22 million, while a lot to every other team, is pocket change to the Dodgers ... so who cares!
regarding the thread .... Affeldt is a good solid reliever... no comment really ...

giantspwn
11-13-2012, 01:37 PM
Eh, I don't think it's much of an overpay given his track record especially the way he finished the year.

I imagine he would have gotten paid much more if he tested the market with other teams.

raidersrock99
11-13-2012, 02:15 PM
i love L.A fans " its pocket change to the dodgers" "we're rich" you will see it doesnt matter how much money you have, if you dont spend it wisely. and so far you havent.

i agree we overpaid for affeldt, but thats because the market started out strong for rp (league)

Infamous916
11-13-2012, 02:19 PM
I feel like he could have asked for more, but I'm glad to have him back in Orange & Black.

BKLYNpigeon
11-13-2012, 02:52 PM
im glad he's not a Dodger.

Orange&Black55
11-13-2012, 04:08 PM
A little pricey, but glad he's back! He could have prob got more on the market, and we needed him back, so good deal for both sides.

ciaban
11-13-2012, 04:17 PM
only by the Dodgers...

Moreover than just the dodgers,

goshhhjosh
11-13-2012, 04:38 PM
Really happy for him and his family. He's one of the true good guys in baseball - all of his charity work and organizations.

Cracka2HI!
11-13-2012, 06:24 PM
Not sure how you conclude that finishing games makes you a legit closer when they mentioned Valverde being a pitcher that led the major leagues in games finished.

I'd be very curious to hear how Affeldt and League are similar pitchers anyways..Just that they are similar in caliber of player. Affeldt is better now and lefties are more valueable, but is 4 years older. Their value on the open market is probably similar although I am not an expret.


You must not have noticed that a Dodgers fan was the first to bring up League in this thread.


Better than League, I LOVE it.

Actually this was the first post about League...looks like it was a Giants fan. I wouldn't have brought up League without that post. All I said is I think it's funny the Giants were the 2nd team to "overpay" for a reliever. I still think it is.