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Caveman508
11-12-2012, 02:54 PM
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=bostonred-sox&id=23681&city=boston

What?

Majesty17
11-12-2012, 02:57 PM
close this thread~ already a thread open for links to rumors.

AI
11-12-2012, 02:59 PM
Already posted in the rumors thread.

ruckus16969
11-12-2012, 03:00 PM
I hope they can get a deal done with Nap

nocal_lbm
11-12-2012, 06:27 PM
uh-huh-huh....uh-huh-huh....."hard"

todu82
11-12-2012, 06:28 PM
Hope so, Napoli would do wonders for this team.

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11-12-2012, 06:56 PM
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BostonSports96
11-12-2012, 07:25 PM
Not a great option (overpriced, too big and slow to play 1B, low BA) but at this point we need a guy who can slug and take a walk once in a while.

Napoli would be good on hopefully a 2 year deal (probably 3 though).

And I know he hit well at Fenway against Sox pitching, but I still think he would hit well here, no matter what pitching he faces. The trouble is him hitting away from Fenway, Arlington and Anaheim.

bagwell368
11-12-2012, 07:55 PM
Hope so, Napoli would do wonders for this team.

Yeap. Get out your roulette wheel. Set it for a tie 1 out of 7, a win 2 out of 7, and say goodbye to your money 4/7 of the time.

Yeah I love those odds on a long deal.

He hits worse at 1B then catcher, well below AL league average.

One or two years fine. Any more and it's like letting it ride when it's 4/7 against.

Pittz
11-12-2012, 08:03 PM
Let it ride is very fun. I'm going to the casino this weekend.

Bos_Sports4Life
11-12-2012, 10:20 PM
Yeap. Get out your roulette wheel. Set it for a tie 1 out of 7, a win 2 out of 7, and say goodbye to your money 4/7 of the time.

Yeah I love those odds on a long deal.

He hits worse at 1B then catcher, well below AL league average.

One or two years fine. Any more and it's like letting it ride when it's 4/7 against.

since '08 he has a line of .265, .357, .522 with an ops+ of 131...if he does that or about that he'll be worth it without a doubt.

Only thing that scares me is the fact hes 31 and having played catcher 75% of the time hes prob 33/34ish in "baseball yrs"...which is when regression really starts to happen.

bagwell368
11-12-2012, 11:08 PM
since '08 he has a line of .265, .357, .522 with an ops+ of 131...if he does that or about that he'll be worth it without a doubt.

Only thing that scares me is the fact hes 31 and having played catcher 75% of the time hes prob 33/34ish in "baseball yrs"...which is when regression really starts to happen.

Since '08 he has a 110, 115, 120 OPS+ seasons - on average below average at 1B. He has two much better years, but as you say he's nearing his decline.

His career slash at 1B: .239/.328/.473 111 OPS+ (all since 2010 - 475 PA). Not inspiring.

taffi101
11-12-2012, 11:16 PM
Since '08 he has a 110, 115, 120 OPS+ seasons - on average below average at 1B. He has two much better years, but as you say he's nearing his decline.

His career slash at 1B: .239/.328/.473 111 OPS+ (all since 2010 - 475 PA). Not inspiring.

When his decline starts, he might fall quickly. He isn't the greatest of physical specimens..... not sure how well he looks after himself, and all those years of catching? ehhhh

bruins>habs
11-13-2012, 12:50 AM
yankees interested in Napoli too......typical lmao

Station 13
11-13-2012, 01:07 AM
yankees interested in Napoli too......typical lmao

I hope they get him with a 5 year contract.

bagwell368
11-13-2012, 07:21 AM
I hope they get him with a 5 year contract.

5 x 14 = $70M - seems fair with NY bloat due to living expenses.

BostonSports96
11-13-2012, 04:26 PM
I hope they get him with a 5 year contract.

that'd be funny, but they are just driving up the price

they have a great prospect catcher (Gary Sanchez) who is less than 2 years away

EwanSellars
11-13-2012, 06:49 PM
i hope if the sox sign napoli that they trade both salty and lavarnway ross can be our main catcher with napoli getting 2/5 with gomez or whoever on first those days

bagwell368
11-13-2012, 07:16 PM
i hope if the sox sign napoli that they trade both salty and lavarnway ross can be our main catcher with napoli getting 2/5 with gomez or whoever on first those days

That's only possible if the Sox have given up on Lavarnway, and I doubt that's the case.

SoxFan101NlB
11-20-2012, 01:04 AM
That's only possible if the Sox have given up on Lavarnway, and I doubt that's the case.

What is peoples general consensious on Lavanway? I've been high on him since we drafted him...High bball IQ patient approach, good power, however I have the sneaky feeling that he is going the Lars Anderson route...but he has shown marked improvement at each level, unlike Lars. Everyone, myself included, were so excited about Lars. I saw him as the future 1st baseman. Another perfect example of ppl over valuing our prospects.

bagwell368
11-20-2012, 07:47 AM
What is peoples general consensious on Lavanway? I've been high on him since we drafted him...High bball IQ patient approach, good power, however I have the sneaky feeling that he is going the Lars Anderson route...but he has shown marked improvement at each level, unlike Lars. Everyone, myself included, were so excited about Lars. I saw him as the future 1st baseman. Another perfect example of ppl over valuing our prospects.

Lars lost me in 2009. Lavarnway is wholly superior as a hitter and his entire approach to the game at the MLB level. I think Lavarnway was over coached heavily on the D side, and started to press to hard with the bat once he got a meh start in '12.

Let the kid breathe a little and by 2014 we'll know what he is.

DerekJeterDan
11-23-2012, 01:09 PM
MLB Network is reporting that Napoli and the Sox are in discussions about a deal that would send Napoli to Boston. Napoli however is holding out for a 4th year and this is the only hold up.

AI
11-23-2012, 01:41 PM
Jen Royle said she fully expects Napoli to sign with us during the winter meetings.

Nomar
11-23-2012, 01:55 PM
Napoli is coming here.

He will use the Mariners as leverage but will be too wise to agree to play at Safeco, and the Yankees will drive up the price, but he will end up here.

Station 13
11-23-2012, 01:58 PM
yankees nothing more than bluff. They can't use him as their everyday catcher or 1B. Their DH will probably be a 1 year deal. They already said no multi year contract.

I just stick with offering him no more than 3/33-35MM, or have fun at Safeco with a team that really sucked.

AI
11-23-2012, 02:21 PM
FWIW, Royle also said reports that Boston has offered Napoli a 3-year deal are false and that some of the stuff being reported is false as well. They are good friends. She goes on to say that she knows exactly what he wants and where, interesting.

B'sCeltsPatsSox
11-23-2012, 02:27 PM
Is Jen Royle really a reliable soure though?:laugh2:

Anyways, just keep it at 3 years and around 33-36 million like Station said.

AI
11-23-2012, 02:28 PM
Is Jen Royle really a reliable soure though?:laugh2:

Anyways, just keep it at 3 years and around 33-36 million like Station said.

Apparently, they are really good/close friends.

Nomar
11-23-2012, 02:34 PM
**** buddies

elements1985
11-23-2012, 03:09 PM
His career slash at 1B: .239/.328/.473 111 OPS+ (all since 2010 - 475 PA). Not inspiring.

Saltalamacchia could provide that slash at 1B IMO.

BostonSports96
11-23-2012, 03:29 PM
yankees nothing more than bluff. They can't use him as their everyday catcher or 1B. Their DH will probably be a 1 year deal. They already said no multi year contract.

I just stick with offering him no more than 3/33-35MM, or have fun at Safeco with a team that really sucked.

LMAO, exactly.

Nomar
11-23-2012, 03:53 PM
Napolis wife recently bought a winter jacket. She's clearly preparing for a move to the northeast

Super.
11-23-2012, 04:34 PM
Napolis wife recently bought a winter jacket. She's clearly preparing for a move to the northeast

or Seattle

#justsayin

Station 13
11-23-2012, 04:37 PM
or Seattle

#justsayin

She would buy a raincoat for Seattle.

TrueYankee
11-23-2012, 04:45 PM
Sox have the money to afford Napoli. Would not surprise me if he went here.

Celtic AL
11-23-2012, 04:47 PM
my gut feeling is The M's will go stupid again and overpay just like they did with Figgins & Beltre

SirHizz
11-23-2012, 06:15 PM
I expect the M's to sign a prominent FA, just not Napoli. They have Smoak and Montero with Zunino waiting in the wings. Wouldn't surprise me if they get Hamilton, though.

bagwell368
11-23-2012, 07:24 PM
my gut feeling is The M's will go stupid again and overpay just like they did with Figgins & Beltre

Beltre was not overpaid. His contract and FG WAR $ were very close.

Greenmonster24
11-23-2012, 08:27 PM
beltra topped 25 homers 3 times in seattle and been great in boston qand texas sense leaving. you ask me just his defense alone at a prime position like 3rd base is worth alot. Everyone that like Lowell his first 3 years here I am positive if Beltra had stayed in boston he would have better offensively then

goshhhjosh
11-23-2012, 08:32 PM
Napolis wife recently bought a winter jacket. She's clearly preparing for a move to the northeast

She had a lobster within the past year...definitely signing with the Red Sox.

Nomar
11-23-2012, 08:47 PM
She had a lobster within the past year...definitely signing with the Red Sox.

Yeah and ive seen her with dunkin donuts.

AI
11-23-2012, 08:51 PM
She tweeted that she loves duck boats.

Super.
11-23-2012, 09:19 PM
She tweeted that she loves duck boats.

Well ****, guess he's going to Boston

Celtic AL
11-23-2012, 09:38 PM
Beltre was not overpaid. His contract and FG WAR $ were very close.

very good point

bagwell368
11-24-2012, 02:08 PM
He's due into town shortly.

celtisox41
11-24-2012, 02:11 PM
If its less than 4 years it'll be a good contract. We won't be competing for the next four years anyways, might as well fill a spot at first until we can find a good prospect/sign someone to play there long term

BostonSports96
11-24-2012, 02:29 PM
If its less than 4 years it'll be a good contract. We won't be competing for the next four years anyways, might as well fill a spot at first until we can find a good prospect/sign someone to play there long term

If our prospects perform at the major league level, we can be competitive in 3 years.

-Lavigne43-
11-24-2012, 03:06 PM
I don't think Napoli has a wife. I checked who Napoli is following on twitter to see what inspired Nomar to post that winter jacket information. The guy follows a lot of porn feeds, and I saw no wife :laugh2:

B'sCeltsPatsSox
11-24-2012, 03:30 PM
I don't think Napoli has a wife. I checked who Napoli is following on twitter to see what inspired Nomar to post that winter jacket information. The guy follows a lot of porn feeds, and I saw no wife :laugh2:

Maybe he's an old school Mormon and has several porn star wives:shrug:

AI
11-24-2012, 03:31 PM
I heard one of them is Tori Black :drool:

ruckus16969
11-24-2012, 03:58 PM
Yeap. Get out your roulette wheel. Set it for a tie 1 out of 7, a win 2 out of 7, and say goodbye to your money 4/7 of the time.

Yeah I love those odds on a long deal.

He hits worse at 1B then catcher, well below AL league average.

One or two years fine. Any more and it's like letting it ride when it's 4/7 against.

Thats not true at all bro.


Since 2010, Napoli owns the seventh-highest OPS (.875) among players with at least 125 games at first base, just ahead of Lance Berkman (.874), and well ahead of All-Stars Mark Teixeira (.831), Ryan Howard (.822) and Justin Morneau (.814).

Extend the sample back to 2008, and Napoli’s still in the top 10, with his .879 OPS ninth overall, just behind Teixeira’s .883, ahead of standouts like Paul Konerko (.877), Howard (.862) and Adam Dunn (.830), and within shouting distance of old friend Adrian Gonzalez (.899).

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/20221124dont_sell_napoli_short_at_first/

avrpatsfan
11-24-2012, 04:46 PM
I wouldn't be too mad if we gave Napoli 4 years. I'm sure he'll rake at Fenway and he can split time between 1st base/catcher.

bagwell368
11-24-2012, 06:32 PM
Thats not true at all bro.



http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/20221124dont_sell_napoli_short_at_first/

That's not what I said.

I said two things:

1. he hits better at C than 1B career wise, which is TRUE:


As Catcher: .265/.362/.516 tOPS+ 103

As 1B: .239/.328/.473 tOPS+ 85

2. An 85 tOPS+ at 1B which works out to a 111 OPS+ is clearly at/below average for AL 1B in his time. For instance in 2012 AL 1B had a 112 OPS+, and in 2011 had a 116 OPS+, and in 2010 a 117.

BTW, Napoli since 2010 started this many games at 1B per year:

67
27
24

"Extend the sample back to 2008, and Napoli’s still in the top 10"

He NEVER played at 1B before 2010, so either you misquoted your source, or your source is trash.

If you are going to challenge the stats I give (which have been wrong from time to time), please check before you make a specific claim.

Just to bring it back to the main point, this slash at 1B: .239/.328/.473 ****ing sucks for a hitter planning on getting 4 years at ~$48M.

Nomar
11-24-2012, 11:49 PM
That's not what I said.

I said two things:

1. he hits better at C than 1B career wise, which is TRUE:


As Catcher: .265/.362/.516 tOPS+ 103

As 1B: .239/.328/.473 tOPS+ 85

2. An 85 tOPS+ at 1B which works out to a 111 OPS+ is clearly at/below average for AL 1B in his time. For instance in 2012 AL 1B had a 112 OPS+, and in 2011 had a 116 OPS+, and in 2010 a 117.

I don't put much stock into these numbers. While most catchers get rested or DH on non-catching days, Napoli played 1B. He may have pretty tired in some of his games at 1B (kind of lame excuse, I know). I also think once he wraps his mind around playing 1B everyday, the bat will come around there.

bagwell368
11-25-2012, 12:03 AM
I don't put much stock into these numbers. While most catchers get rested or DH on non-catching days, Napoli played 1B. He may have pretty tired in some of his games at 1B (kind of lame excuse, I know). I also think once he wraps his mind around playing 1B everyday, the bat will come around there.

Maybe. But the fact is so far, he hasn't done well batting at 1B, not as well as C. It's something to consider.

ruckus16969
11-25-2012, 12:19 AM
That's not what I said.

I said two things:

1. he hits better at C than 1B career wise, which is TRUE:


As Catcher: .265/.362/.516 tOPS+ 103

As 1B: .239/.328/.473 tOPS+ 85

2. An 85 tOPS+ at 1B which works out to a 111 OPS+ is clearly at/below average for AL 1B in his time. For instance in 2012 AL 1B had a 112 OPS+, and in 2011 had a 116 OPS+, and in 2010 a 117.

BTW, Napoli since 2010 started this many games at 1B per year:

67
27
24

"Extend the sample back to 2008, and Napoliís still in the top 10"

He NEVER played at 1B before 2010, so either you misquoted your source, or your source is trash.

If you are going to challenge the stats I give (which have been wrong from time to time), please check before you make a specific claim.

Just to bring it back to the main point, this slash at 1B: .239/.328/.473 ****ing sucks for a hitter planning on getting 4 years at ~$48M.

Every thing that was quoted was copied and pasted from a story the Hearld put out this morning. I mis understood what you said. I thought you meant that he was below average for a 1B.

Do you really think that over a long period of time, he will only hit good if he is a catcher??? 120 ab over 3 years is very small amout of ab's. Not even worth comparing really. Nit picking to me.

But thats just me

ruckus16969
11-25-2012, 12:24 AM
I wouldn't be too mad if we gave Napoli 4 years. I'm sure he'll rake at Fenway and he can split time between 1st base/catcher.

I'd give him 4 years all day. in 2 years when Ortiz leaves he can be our DH.

-Lavigne43-
11-25-2012, 01:19 AM
@Jen_Royle
Yes, Mike Napoli is in Boston. He had a "great" meeting with the Red Sox. Had dinner with Farrell, Cherington and Henry. Numbers discussed

grandsalami
11-25-2012, 01:20 AM
@Jen_Royle
Yes, Mike Napoli is in Boston. He had a "great" meeting with the Red Sox. Had dinner with Farrell, Cherington and Henry. Numbers discussed

he will sign by next friday.....

Cronin
11-25-2012, 02:49 AM
he will sign by next friday.....

Hey, I think you've said that somewhere else too.. ;)

bagwell368
11-25-2012, 09:58 AM
Every thing that was quoted was copied and pasted from a story the Hearld put out this morning. I mis understood what you said. I thought you meant that he was below average for a 1B.

Do you really think that over a long period of time, he will only hit good if he is a catcher??? 120 ab over 3 years is very small amout of ab's. Not even worth comparing really. Nit picking to me.

But thats just me

Where did you get 120 AB? I said 118 games started, not AB (125 games played total). Napoli has 475 PA's over the past 3 years at 1B (his entire career played at 1B BTW). He has an average/bit below slash for a 1B of: .239/.328/.473.

In 2010 for instance the average 1B had a slash of: .259/.345/.443 - even though that's a .788 OPS (lower then Napoli's .801 career mark). But Napoli's .801 is in fact worth less then the 2010 AL 1B average.

Why? Because Napoli's .030 advantage in SLG is worth less than the AL average 1B advantage in OBP of .017. The OBP component of OPS+ is worth more per .001 than with SLG.

I'm also against Napoli's stats being listed per career w/o understanding that he has two outlier years (not you, just general):

By Season by 1B standards:

Meh:

2006 .228 .360 .455 110
2007 .247 .351 .443 107
2012 .227 .343 .469 110

Average:

2009: .272/.350/.492 120
2010: .238/.316/.468 115

Excellent:

2008: .273/.374/.586 148
2011: .320/.414/.631 173

Assuming he gets over his prior issues of hitting at 1B, and plays 162 games a year at 1B, we could expect based on his career averages:

2B: 25
HR: 33

.259/.356/.507 OPS+ 126

I'd pay $12M a year for that. But I don't think that's who he is after year 2. With his crazy good 2011 and 2008 factored in I do not think that's who he is - Fenway numbers or no. I think he's 2012 or worse after 2014. So what is that worth?

So, 3 years x $12M OK, but 4 years? $10.75M per is more like it. Due to his ability to catch (even if he's below average), and the lesser years (3 we are talking here)/money needed - I'd take him over Swisher, Hamilton w/o a doubt. And over LaRoche too, even if he costs $30M for 3 years, and can field the position better.

grandsalami
11-25-2012, 02:44 PM
Jen Royle ‏@Jen_Royle
The Red Sox would likely have to go to four years to land Napoli... One source tells me they may be willing to go to five. #Boston

Nomar
11-25-2012, 03:06 PM
Oh god no

B'sCeltsPatsSox
11-25-2012, 03:25 PM
4 is already meh enough for me, please Ben don't go to 5.

BostonSports96
11-25-2012, 03:55 PM
Jen Royle ‏@Jen_Royle
The Red Sox would likely have to go to four years to land Napoli... One source tells me they may be willing to go to five. #Boston

Unless he wants five, why would they offer that?

Stick with 4.

Celtic AL
11-25-2012, 03:56 PM
Oh god no

Relax its Royle... imo shes not a real source

avrpatsfan
11-25-2012, 05:50 PM
5 years would be too long. **** that if that's what he's demanding.

AI
11-25-2012, 05:54 PM
He's looking for 4, I guess he knows this will be his last big contract and is trying to squeeze an extra year out of it.