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Andrew32
11-08-2012, 03:01 PM
In the first two games he averaged 41 / 7apg on 64%FG / 76%TS

In his last two games he has averaged 19 / 3.5apg on 33%FG / 42%TS

:eyebrow:

torocan
11-08-2012, 03:03 PM
Sample size.

37 and 45 shows he CAN score a ton. Not everyone can (or does) do that.

Main issue is the Rockets roster is a mess right now. 13 new players, most of them rookies, no training camp for Harden, and trying to teach offensive and defensive sets on the fly.

Won't be able to say much of anything until we're closer to the all star break.

Im_in_Mia_bish
11-08-2012, 03:04 PM
The hype for every team/player in only 5 games is premature.

NYYCowboys
11-08-2012, 03:07 PM
The hype for every team/player in only 5 games is premature.

This

JayW_1023
11-08-2012, 03:08 PM
Hype is always premature. That's why it's hype.

ugafan
11-08-2012, 03:12 PM
His game against the Blazers wasn't great but it wasn't terrible either.

Last night, he was guarded by the best perimeter defender in the league.

Only time will tell.

IndyRealist
11-08-2012, 03:14 PM
Hype is always premature. That's why it's hype.

This.

DeyAce
11-08-2012, 03:14 PM
Affalo > Harden

RonE Coleman
11-08-2012, 03:20 PM
Lol because he was guarded by Iggy, probably the best wing defender in the NBA.

Relax

mvb815
11-08-2012, 03:29 PM
Leave james harden alone!

Leave him alone!!!!

sixer04fan
11-08-2012, 03:32 PM
Have Iggy guard pretty much anyone in the league and their hype will go down haha

OldStyleCubbies
11-08-2012, 03:33 PM
Obviously nobody expected him to keep that pace, and 19 ppg isn't terrible.

Ebbs
11-08-2012, 03:34 PM
Hell yes. Let's give him a month before we go one way or the other. Sorry KOB 2 games doesn't make you a genius

1-800-STFU
11-08-2012, 03:36 PM
It's a small sample size you idiots.

I hate you all :)

P Harvy
11-08-2012, 03:37 PM
It's really a shame because everyone on here HAD to start riding Hardens nuts.. when in reality the Harden that we are going to see the majority of the time is the one from the last two games.

He can fill it up but he will be one of those inconsistent guys. So to answer the OP, yes it was premature

RonE Coleman
11-08-2012, 03:37 PM
Have Iggy guard pretty much anyone in the league and their hype will go down haha

This.

ManRam
11-08-2012, 03:38 PM
Uh...obviously he's a player of capable of playing at a level between those two small sample sizes..

Hawkeye15
11-08-2012, 03:38 PM
Hype is usually premature....

Yes, expecting Harden to put up LeBron and Jordan numbers right off the bat is crazy.

Btw, he was facing Iggy last night, who almost always makes your numbers look pedestrian.

Tysons_Beard
11-08-2012, 03:41 PM
we all know his potential, his stats are bound to level out

torocan
11-08-2012, 03:45 PM
Uh...obviously he's a player of capable of playing at a level between those two small sample sizes..

Doh! Rational opinion!

THAT doesn't belong on PSD! You're ruining the average level of posting quality. For shame... :facepalm:

Lakers4life08
11-08-2012, 03:45 PM
one thing i don't understand, Jones was beasting in preseason games,and now he even can't get couple minutes a game???WTF???if he plays bad ok sub him off ,but really what the coach is thinking??its not like 3-5 minutes for Jones will change game from +5 to -10...also Motiejunas other rookie looked ok,but can't get minutes....why Rockets coach not giving any rookie a chance??

ColtsSpursTerps
11-08-2012, 03:51 PM
relax dudes...

Blitzbolt
11-08-2012, 03:56 PM
He has Tony Allen on Friday that's the thing about being the number one option you have to play vs the other team's best defenser and not the bench players like he use to do in OKC.

Ebbs
11-08-2012, 03:58 PM
More premature than Steve Carrel in 40 year old virgin

BenFrank
11-08-2012, 04:21 PM
one thing i don't understand, Jones was beasting in preseason games,and now he even can't get couple minutes a game???WTF???if he plays bad ok sub him off ,but really what the coach is thinking??its not like 3-5 minutes for Jones will change game from +5 to -10...also Motiejunas other rookie looked ok,but can't get minutes....why Rockets coach not giving any rookie a chance??

Honestly I don't know what's up with Mchale.. As a Rockets Fan I don't feel he's a good coach, i've felt that way before we hired him! We have a ton of talent on the bench that we could be developing, I'd rather loose with Royce White, T.Jones, Montie, and Machado, than Douglas, and some of the other scrubs we have out there, that is providing nothing

as far as Harden, it's only been 4 games, no training camp.. or feel for the team.. the coach, havn't been coaching just running basic, p&r plus a week bench, so it's gone take some time for them to gel and get some chemistry, Harden's gonna be ok

The Ooh Child
11-08-2012, 04:22 PM
I think it is premature to say that the hype for Harden was premature

Diabolical
11-08-2012, 04:44 PM
In the first two games he averaged 41 / 7apg on 64%FG / 76%TS

In his last two games he has averaged 19 / 3.5apg on 33%FG / 42%TS

:eyebrow:

Everyone knew Harden wouldn't keep his 35 pts, 7.3 reb/ast on 50%+ shooting... In reality Harden was hyped even before coming to Houston. I think he will be a 20 point, 4 reb/ast player.

Randy West
11-08-2012, 04:50 PM
Like Harden but he isn't LeBron, Kobe or Wade one of those true number one superstars you build everything around.

Is he a good player of course he is but he isn't going to average 28+ ppg all season long. He had to come crashing back down to Earth at some point.

raiderposting
11-08-2012, 04:54 PM
i did a fantasy draft two games into his season were he was tearing **** up.

I was 3rd and got Lebron lol. The first guy took HARDEN :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

ChiSox219
11-08-2012, 04:59 PM
Hell yes. Let's give him a month before we go one way or the other. Sorry KOB 2 games doesn't make you a genius

I don't know what your problem is with Harden but it doesnt take a genius to realize how good he is now and will be in the future.

Robbw241
11-08-2012, 05:01 PM
Everything on this site is premature.

tp13baby
11-08-2012, 05:07 PM
Have Iggy guard pretty much anyone in the league and their hype will go down haha

Iggy made him look foolish. Lawson quieted everyone who thinks Lin is close to being top 10. Lawson made a fool of Lin last night.

DanG
11-08-2012, 05:14 PM
Yes. He is not going to average 30-6-6 whole year. We all know it.

KnickaBocka.44
11-08-2012, 05:18 PM
DMF was obviously born premature.

DoMeFavors
11-08-2012, 05:20 PM
I hate to say it but I was right again, I knew Harden wasnt a first option.

The goods
11-08-2012, 05:21 PM
It just shows that its a long season, atleast give it till the all-star break before judging him again.

KnickaBocka.44
11-08-2012, 05:22 PM
^^You haven't been right about anything you've said in, at least, the last 6 months

Baller1
11-08-2012, 05:33 PM
No, it wasn't. Harden will start putting up huge numbers again shortly.

Htownballa1622
11-08-2012, 05:33 PM
I hate to say it but I was right again, I knew Harden wasnt a first option.

I love to say it. You're wrong. And you usually are.

keetyweedy
11-08-2012, 05:34 PM
Not really, if anything it shows his potential and that they shouldn't be taken lightly not quite playoff team yet but they're gonna be scary in the near future

Mr. Baller
11-08-2012, 05:37 PM
Hell yes. Let's give him a month before we go one way or the other. Sorry KOB 2 games doesn't make you a genius

this x10000000000000

mdm692
11-08-2012, 05:44 PM
Yes. Hell I'm throwing Gortat's name for DPOY after the block party he's had the first few games of the season.

Bruno
11-08-2012, 05:54 PM
no. we've known since last season that the dude could ball on an all-star caliber level.

topdog
11-08-2012, 05:56 PM
one thing i don't understand, Jones was beasting in preseason games,and now he even can't get couple minutes a game???WTF???if he plays bad ok sub him off ,but really what the coach is thinking??its not like 3-5 minutes for Jones will change game from +5 to -10...also Motiejunas other rookie looked ok,but can't get minutes....why Rockets coach not giving any rookie a chance??

I really don't get this either. Of course I've been checking the boxscores to see Harden's stats like everyone else, but where are Smith, Jones, Machado and Montiejunas? Did they get left behind taking the bus with White?

It makes no sense and all those guys had some very nice games in pre-season and certainly are more intriguing and more important to the future than Aldrich and Douglas.

rockbottom2010
11-08-2012, 06:03 PM
the referees are illuminati....hating on the harden fouls yesterday..

NBAfan4life
11-08-2012, 06:20 PM
He will still be good. Neither or the first two or last two games is the average Harden will see. It will be somewhere in the middle.

Andrew32
11-08-2012, 06:25 PM
He will still be good. Neither or the first two or last two games is the average Harden will see. It will be somewhere in the middle.

The real question is will his season averages be closer to the first two games or the last two games.
They won't necessarily be right in the middle.

Cracka2HI!
11-08-2012, 06:27 PM
The "hype" was justified. He has always been capable of putting up games like that and will do it again in the future. You are an idiot if you think anyone thought he was going to average those numbers.

b@llhog24
11-08-2012, 06:27 PM
The real question is will his season averages be closer to the first two games or the last two games.
They won't necessarily be right in the middle.

Closer to the first.

xxplayerxx23
11-08-2012, 06:30 PM
Pretty sure Iggy does that to most people he guards.Harden is still very good and a number 1 option. He will be fine. I still expect 22-25 a game.

NBAfan4life
11-08-2012, 06:33 PM
I think he was over hyped, but I still expect him to be top ten in scoring. I think he will have more turnovers and a worse shooting percentage then last year, but I stand by my statement of somewhere in the middle.

ThunderMan724
11-08-2012, 06:36 PM
Affalo > Harden

:laugh2:

SouthSideRookie
11-08-2012, 06:52 PM
Sample size.

37 and 45 shows he CAN score a ton. Not everyone can (or does) do that.

Main issue is the Rockets roster is a mess right now. 13 new players, most of them rookies, no training camp for Harden, and trying to teach offensive and defensive sets on the fly.

Won't be able to say much of anything until we're closer to the all star break.

+1


Affalo > Harden

LOL


It's really a shame because everyone on here HAD to start riding Hardens nuts.. when in reality the Harden that we are going to see the majority of the time is the one from the last two games.

He can fill it up but he will be one of those inconsistent guys. So to answer the OP, yes it was premature

:facepalm:


one thing i don't understand, Jones was beasting in preseason games,and now he even can't get couple minutes a game???WTF???if he plays bad ok sub him off ,but really what the coach is thinking??its not like 3-5 minutes for Jones will change game from +5 to -10...also Motiejunas other rookie looked ok,but can't get minutes....why Rockets coach not giving any rookie a chance??

That's Kevin McFail for you.


More premature than Steve Carrel in 40 year old virgin

Says the guy who's calling the Mavericks a "scary" team after 4 games.


the referees are illuminati....hating on the harden fouls yesterday..

Matthews of the Blazers left Houston with part of Hardens arm.

Raye
11-08-2012, 06:54 PM
His teammates really need to step it up because if they aren't doing anything then the defense is gonna focus on Harden.

Chill_Will_24
11-08-2012, 07:05 PM
I think they need another scorer to take pressure off him specifically a post guy. Call up POR and see what it would take to get Aldridge. Utah might look to trade Al Jeff and Millsap.

They need another scorer for him.

Hawkeye15
11-08-2012, 07:40 PM
I hate to say it but I was right again, I knew Harden wasnt a first option.

He is leading the NBA in scoring, while getting more than 5 rebs and assists a game. One bad game against the best perimeter defender in the game arguably, and you are right?

He is playing like a 1st option for sure, and a very, very good one at that.

STL Don
11-08-2012, 08:13 PM
Harden is a really good player and a top 5 shooting guard in the NBA. Do I think his average is going to stay at 30? no, but he'll get you 20ppg 5reb 5ast, play solid defense and CAN be your number one option on offense, you just have to put out a decent group surrounding him if you want positive results. He's no Kobe but will definitely be an all star caliber player thoughout his career.

YoungOne
11-08-2012, 09:20 PM
was this thread premature?

STL Don
11-08-2012, 09:52 PM
was this thread premature?

Mos deff.

JasonJohnHorn
11-08-2012, 10:01 PM
His teammates really need to step it up because if they aren't doing anything then the defense is gonna focus on Harden.

That is what happened to Kevin Martin... that's why he wasn't playing as effciently as he did in Sac-town. Now he's in OKC and defences are too worried about Westbrook and Durant, his FG% has jumped up. getting all these open shots instead of double-teams.

JasonJohnHorn
11-08-2012, 10:02 PM
Is suggesting that the hype about Harden is premature, premature?

Heediot
11-08-2012, 10:12 PM
Everything that happens in the NBA is premature and over-reacted to on PSD

AIRMAR72
11-09-2012, 12:49 AM
this premature thread is all hype 4sure HARDEN is legit

Avenged
11-09-2012, 01:06 AM
Nope. By thinking his hype was premature you're insinuating he is a bust which he isn't. He obviously isn't going to score 30+ on Jordan-esque efficiency but he is still going to be good this year.

Munkeysuit
11-09-2012, 01:09 AM
In the first two games he averaged 41 / 7apg on 64%FG / 76%TS

In his last two games he has averaged 19 / 3.5apg on 33%FG / 42%TS

:eyebrow:

No sir, he will make the All Star team this year.

Jarvo
11-09-2012, 01:13 AM
No ****! Alot of you were drinking the kool laid because he just got traded and it was a hot topic to see how he would do on his own.

evadatam5150
11-09-2012, 01:13 AM
Affalo > Harden

Who's this Affalo you speak of DeyCae...??

thenaj17
11-09-2012, 08:08 AM
Of course it was premature...so many people here overreact after every single game, it's pathetic.

He's not as good as his 1st 2 games and he's not as bad as his last 2. It will even out over the year, just chill.

Knowledge
11-09-2012, 08:28 AM
If you have reasonable expectations of him, then no. He is a super talented player who is in line to have a big year.

If you thought he was going to score 40 a night or average a triple double, then yes.

Andrew32
11-17-2012, 09:17 PM
Harden in his last 7 games has averaged 22ppg / 4apg on 37% shooting.

To be fair though he was very good in his last 2 games although I could mention that both NOH and POR are amongst the 10-11 worst defensive teams in the league.

KnickaBocka.44
11-17-2012, 09:19 PM
Harden in his last 7 games has averaged 22ppg / 4apg on 37% shooting.

To be fair though he was very good in his last 2 games although I could mention that both NOH and POR are amongst the 10-11 worst defensive teams in the league.

Could you also mention that his 3 bad games came against arguably the 3 best perimeter defenders in the league?

Andrew32
11-17-2012, 09:20 PM
Could you also mention that his 3 bad games came against arguably the 3 best perimeter defenders in the league?

No need for that now. :)

rocketfuel
11-17-2012, 09:58 PM
Leave james harden alone!

Leave him alone!!!!

:D Haha. That made me laugh. Niiice.

rocketfuel
11-17-2012, 10:02 PM
Nope. By thinking his hype was premature you're insinuating he is a bust which he isn't. He obviously isn't going to score 30+ on Jordan-esque efficiency but he is still going to be good this year.

Who's the girl with the dimples in your sig?

SportsFanatic10
11-17-2012, 10:09 PM
like everyone said small sample size, but at first i believe he knew he was the go to guy finally out of the shadows of durant and westbrook, and he stepped up with his new team. but now defenses are keying on him more than he is used to and he's gotta adjust to that. i think he'll settle in somewhere in the middle of those first 2 and the last 2 games stat wise.

rocket
11-17-2012, 10:25 PM
He's not going to score 45 points every game.

Andrew32
11-17-2012, 10:55 PM
He's not going to score 45 points every game.

Well prior to these last two games he had a 5 game stretch where he was playing really poorly.

He has yet to prove he can produce efficiently against really good defenses / teams.

#knickstape
11-17-2012, 11:01 PM
Harden is the man... Can't help it if he has a team of dog ****.

Andrew32
11-17-2012, 11:23 PM
Harden is the man... Can't help it if he has a team of dog ****.

Well he did choose to sign with Houston...
I still think it was the wrong decision in the end for him.

Now he has to carry a Super-Star load (which will lessen his longevity) and he isn't getting paid much more to do it.

DreamShaker
11-18-2012, 12:13 AM
Well he did choose to sign with Houston...
I still think it was the wrong decision in the end for him.

Now he has to carry a Super-Star load (which will lessen his longevity) and he isn't getting paid much more to do it.

He's 23. Houston has the right assets to get another stud to pair with him. Plus, they have solid, agressive management. I think it is premature to chalk it up as a bad move. It is a young team learning to play with each other. He is actually doing better in the past few games, as long as you don't compare those monster games he had to start the season.

Andrew32
11-18-2012, 12:39 AM
He's 23. Houston has the right assets to get another stud to pair with him. Plus, they have solid, agressive management. I think it is premature to chalk it up as a bad move. It is a young team learning to play with each other. He is actually doing better in the past few games, as long as you don't compare those monster games he had to start the season.

Not trying to diss Houston.
I agree with most of what you said and H-Town has a decent enough franchise.

However he was gonna get paid almost the max to be a 6th man on what could have been a year in and year out contender for many years.

There would have been much less responsibility on his shoulders.

DreamShaker
11-18-2012, 04:55 AM
Not trying to diss Houston.
I agree with most of what you said and H-Town has a decent enough franchise.

However he was gonna get paid almost the max to be a 6th man on what could have been a year in and year out contender for many years.

There would have been much less responsibility on his shoulders.

I can understand that. I was pretty shocked that he didn't take less, but I'm obviously cool witg it, and think he will be fine.

bigmac8675
11-18-2012, 05:21 AM
The guy is still a baller. But did you expect him to average 40ppg for the year or something lol

Jesse2272
11-18-2012, 05:51 AM
No, JHard is the real deal

Jarvo
11-18-2012, 07:55 AM
It's really a shame because everyone on here HAD to start riding Hardens nuts.. when in reality the Harden that we are going to see the majority of the time is the one from the last two games.

He can fill it up but he will be one of those inconsistent guys. So to answer the OP, yes it was premature

Not me, Still don't think he is a number one guy.

koreancabbage
11-18-2012, 08:43 AM
Well prior to these last two games he had a 5 game stretch where he was playing really poorly.

He has yet to prove he can produce efficiently against really good defenses / teams.

not many can.

even superstars can shoot poorly against good defensive teams but they grind it out.

There aren't really many players on the Rockets that he can dish the ball to to make plays for. so sure, inconsistency was going to factor in a bit. probably still a 25+ ppg player with 5 boards and 5 assists. i'm sure his his %s go up as his teammates mature

nycericanguy
11-18-2012, 10:10 AM
I don't really like the way he's played. Obviously he's going to score, but he's turning the ball over a TON, and he's playing this selfish ISO-Harden style of ball that is exactly the opposite of what HOU did before he got there.

He's also relegated Lin to being a $25m spot up shooter, especially late in the 4th.

Call me crazy but I think Kmart fit in better with HOU's unselfish style of play. Kmart doesn't hold the ball and can still get you a very efficient 20ppg. Alot of HOU fans trashed Kmart and I'm not sure why. He's not just a product of Adelman's system, look how crazy efficient he's been in OKC, 17+ppg on 9.8 FGA per game, that's insane efficiency!.

Obviously long term Harden is the better bet though.

KnicksorBust
11-18-2012, 10:41 AM
Hell yes. Let's give him a month before we go one way or the other. Sorry KOB 2 games doesn't make you a genius

How about 82 games? We can just check back then. :)

KnicksorBust
11-18-2012, 10:43 AM
He's 23. Houston has the right assets to get another stud to pair with him. Plus, they have solid, agressive management. I think it is premature to chalk it up as a bad move. It is a young team learning to play with each other. He is actually doing better in the past few games, as long as you don't compare those monster games he had to start the season.

I agree. Really all they need to do is find a way to get an all-star caliber PF (trade/FA/draft) and they'll be a contender. He does need to be a 2-way player though. Score and play some defense. Asik will help but the offense needs to be there.

sagemania
11-18-2012, 10:53 AM
Considering in the last two games he seems to be finally learning to play through consistent doubles and is putting up 29 points on 47% to go with 5 boards and 5 assists i dont think it was premature.

b@llhog24
11-18-2012, 08:05 PM
Well prior to these last two games he had a 5 game stretch where he was playing really poorly.

He has yet to prove he can produce efficiently against really good defenses / teams.

Maybe its because he's played only 9 games to date? The only top 10 ranked defensive teams he's faced during those 9 games has been, Memphis in which he played subpar and the 45 point game against Atlanta.

alexander_37
11-18-2012, 08:29 PM
He is still 2nd in scoring...

The rockets are by far the youngest least experienced team in the league.

The Rockets 15 man roster has 27 seasons of NBA experience.

The Los Angeles Lakers' starting five has 64 years of NBA experience. Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol have 27 NBA seasons between them.

About 8 of those seasons are Carlos Delfino.

Give them some time to gel, and Harden's efficiency will improve while the rest of the team starts scoring and taking the pressure off.

b@llhog24
11-18-2012, 08:38 PM
His efficiency in terms of scoring is still right around his career averages. His lowered Ortg comes with the increase in USG rate and he still hasn't adjusted to facing double teams and his coaches offensive scheme yet. Harden is still a stud.


Season Age Tm Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
2009-10 20 OKC NBA 76 1738 14.0 .551 .484 3.2 12.7 8.1 12.3 2.4 0.9 13.4 20.4 109 104 2.0 2.5 4.5 .124
2010-11 21 OKC NBA 82 2189 16.4 .598 .518 2.3 11.0 6.8 12.8 2.2 0.8 11.3 19.5 119 108 5.0 2.1 7.1 .156
2011-12 22 OKC NBA 62 1946 21.1 .660 .582 1.9 12.2 7.4 19.3 1.6 0.6 14.8 21.6 125 105 7.5 1.8 9.3 .230
2012-13 23 HOU NBA 9 361 21.5 .571 .482 2.8 10.4 6.7 22.6 2.0 1.3 15.0 30.0 110 105 1.0 0.3 1.3 .171
Career NBA 229 6234 17.5 .602 .525 2.5 11.8 7.3 15.2 2.1 0.8 13.3 21.0 118 106 15.6 6.7 22.2 .171

Swashcuff
11-18-2012, 08:40 PM
I don't really like the way he's played. Obviously he's going to score, but he's turning the ball over a TON, and he's playing this selfish ISO-Harden style of ball that is exactly the opposite of what HOU did before he got there.

He's also relegated Lin to being a $25m spot up shooter, especially late in the 4th.

Call me crazy but I think Kmart fit in better with HOU's unselfish style of play. Kmart doesn't hold the ball and can still get you a very efficient 20ppg. Alot of HOU fans trashed Kmart and I'm not sure why. He's not just a product of Adelman's system, look how crazy efficient he's been in OKC, 17+ppg on 9.8 FGA per game, that's insane efficiency!.

Obviously long term Harden is the better bet though.

Crazy!

No disrespect but this right here is why I would NEVER trust the most people's eye tests or opinion.