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RenegadeRiot36
11-06-2012, 02:41 AM
If you guys have seen any of the Cavs games dating back to last year, you should have noticed that Varejao is one of the most underrated big men in the game in terms of rebounding and defense. Before he got injured last season, he was averaging 11pts and 12rbs. This season hes off to a 13.7pt and 15rb start and shows no signs of the rebounding number coming down soon. He dominates the glass, especially on offense, which is rare to find these days. Yes, the majority of his points are mostly dump offs from Kyrie, but hes a king at getting creative finishes by the basket and has even added a very effective 15ft jump shot into the equation this year. He does not create his own shot though, which is why I feel he is overlooked often. Is there a chance he gets added to the All Star game this year or is he just not flashy enough to avoid getting overshadowed by the other forwards in the East?

Edit: It should be 2013 in the title.

CubsBullsBucs
11-06-2012, 03:04 AM
fantasy owner of varejao + joakim.= :)

i think he can be an all star. i dont know how this new voting system will effect that though. will it help or hurt his chances?

Nick O
11-06-2012, 03:05 AM
#domefavors2012!!!! ... oh sorry.. this is a serious thread.. my bad wasnt expecting that.... but yes hes played well so far

Arch Stanton
11-06-2012, 03:37 AM
Yes, if he can keep this up and stay healthy.

Avenged
11-06-2012, 03:38 AM
llullz this night is epic.

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11-06-2012, 03:39 AM
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DoMeFavors
11-06-2012, 03:40 AM
I dont think so, he just isnt an all star type

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Appreciate the support, Alex.

Diabolical
11-06-2012, 03:58 AM
He is a good player; I'd love him on my team. I just don't think he will make it to the all star games though.

thenaj17
11-06-2012, 08:19 AM
They've played 4 games, no way he keeps up 15 rebounds per game and no he's not allstar calibre anyway. He is all hustle, solid defender and no more.

Swashcuff
11-06-2012, 08:51 AM
Love his game and think he has a solid shot at being an all star contender with the Cs out east.... I think he's going to be a double double machine and a top 10 defensive C in the league if he can stay healthy.

I Rock Shaqs
11-06-2012, 09:07 AM
Love his game and think he has a solid shot at being an all star contender with the Cs out east.... I think he's going to be a double double machine and a top 10 defensive C in the league if he can stay healthy.

LOL, every Center in the league is a top 10 defender.

nyKnicks126
11-06-2012, 09:09 AM
Yes, he is great energy/hustle player. I respect his game.

JasonJohnHorn
11-06-2012, 10:27 AM
I've always been a big fan of Anderson-V. He reminds me of Rodman in terms of his hustle and work ethic, very different players and personalities, but they were both great workers, great rebounds and great defenders. Anderson-V is the kind of player that makes you a champion. If the Heat had him they would go 82-0 for the season.

Swashcuff
11-06-2012, 11:20 AM
LOL, every Center in the league is a top 10 defender.

:clap:

Great analysis.

Oefarmy2005
11-06-2012, 01:18 PM
The simple answer is: unlikely.

Cal827
11-06-2012, 01:20 PM
No, he'll take Joel Anthony's spot.

keetyweedy
11-06-2012, 01:25 PM
lets see potential all-star Centers in the eastern conference hmmm

Bynum
KG
Hibbert
Lopez
Harford
Chandler

Doubt It

mightybosstone
11-06-2012, 01:29 PM
I love Varejao's game, but he's not an offensive-minded guy, which will likely keep him out of the All-Star game. However, if he continues to be among the league leaders in rebounding, he can stay healthy and the Cavs are in the playoff hunt around the All-Star game, he's got a decent shot.

Lakerfan In NY
11-06-2012, 05:11 PM
Nope...There isn't gonna be a spot for center in the ASG.

theheatles
11-06-2012, 05:16 PM
he's a poor mans rodman and rodman was only an all star twice so it's unlikely varejao will ever be an all star

RenegadeRiot36
11-06-2012, 05:22 PM
Yeah it seems incredibly unlikely. It would be nice to have more than one Cav in the game for the first time since LeBron and Mo Williams (hahaha) but I doubt it too. There is too much competition for the forward spots. And thats assuming Kyrie makes it, which he should under any circumstances but may not because the NBA is cruel.

Arch Stanton
11-16-2012, 12:57 AM
The Curious Case of Anderson Varejao (Cavs the Blog)

After dominating the Nets last night, Anderson Varejao is once again on the trading block. Well not exactly, but there has been and continues to be a sizable collection of Cavs fans that wish it were so. All arguments go something like this: “Varejao isn’t getting any younger, he’s reckless and injury prone and is going to be a shell of his former self in 1-2 years when Kyrie/Dion/TT and company will be getting SERIOUS buckets (and please God some stops), @CavsDan will be emptying his wallet, and AC/Fred and crew will be back to calling playoff games. The future UncleDrew Army has no room for a grizzly ol veteran like Varejao and therefore the Cavs should trade him now while he’s playing like a top 3 center in the NBA and get something back.” yes, endquote

There are many that oppose this line of thinking, and some that follow the logic but just can’t bear to see a Cavs team without the Wild Thing and would rather he finish his career where he started it – maybe even with a large wig enshrined in the rafters. There’s a twitter poll up right now and the popular vote is almost as close as that nauseating election we somehow lived through. I guess that makes me a SuperPac. Time to move the needle. Let’s start with some “ fact-checking” since that’s all the rage. Or maybe a better phrase would be “exposing some myths”.

Myth1: Anderson Varejao is old. This should really read “Anderson Varejao is quickly becoming too old to be an effective NBA basketball player.” I rate this claim as Mostly False. Yes, there are studies showing that around age 30 basketball players start to head off into the sunset. And Andy just celebrated his 30th bday. But there are many interesting bits of information about Anderson Varejao that suggest he will buck this trend. Let’s start with the basics. Age matters, but so does mileage. So here’s your first trivia question. Which of the following players has logged the least NBA minutes? Anderson Varejao, Rudy Gay, Rajon Rondo, or Kevin Durant? Well if I created the question, you should be able to figure out the answer. So just let that sink in. Here’s the proof:

http://www.cavstheblog.com/wp-conten...ao_minutes.jpg

(If cannot read: Varejao - 12971 minutes; Durant - 16577 min; Rondo - 18049 min; Gay - 16286 min).

That was about as cut and dry objective as it gets. Easy stuff. So let’s wade into some murky waters. I’m no NBA scout – but even a dedicated fan can make basic observations about the game. What diminishes with age that would hurt an NBA player’s production? Quickness, leaping ability, stamina, and the body’s resiliency. A relatively recent obsession for “outside the box” training and nutrition have somewhat improved upon the resiliency problem. Stamina is managed with minutes, practice-waivers, and rest (Spurs have this perfected). So the main diminishing traits brought on by Father Time are loss of quickness and no more dunk contests. A lot of Cavs fans feel like they remember watching Shawn Kemp’s career die in front of them. It’s true in some ways, he was a shell of his Seattle self, but a 30-year old Kemp was still a warm body. Check out 31-year-old Kemp that the Trail Blazers inherited. http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../gamelog/2001/ But contrast that high-flying style, totally dependent on elite quickness and dominant athleticism, with Varejao’s game…

It’s mostly highly-skilled below-the-rim finishes around the hoop, an arsenal of off-balance hooks and up and under moves, and the occasional wide-open 15-foot jumper. Almost all of his baskets are assisted or off offensive rebounds meaning he doesn’t need to blow by a defender to create space for a shot. As a big man, he doesn’t grind away on the block in the low-post, it’s all backdoor cuts and constant movement. On the defensive end he makes a living outworking the competition, and it helps that he has good defensive instincts, a 7-foot wingspan, and there is no one better in the league at defensive position for taking charges, contesting, or boxing out. It’s pretty obvious that his success is rooted in skill (particularly his touch), will, size, and a very high bball IQ. None of these are going anywhere. There’s another player from another era with the same description, and wouldn’t you know it, he’s the first guy on this list! That’s right, Dennis Rodman. Comparing The Worm and the Wild Thing is pretty fascinating. Here’s a nice little career-comparing chart.
http://www.cavstheblog.com/?attachment_id=14055

Rodman turned 30 in 91-92. That’s 3 whole years before he was the starting PF on the 2nd 3-peat Bulls. Food for thought. While we’re weighing the likelihood that Andy is moments away from slowing down and falling off the NBA’s age cliff, let’s take a look at a few Andy-specific trends. Here’s a chart showing his FT% as a function of age.
http://www.cavstheblog.com/wp-conten...varejao_FT.jpg
He’s gradually improved almost every year. This means a lot. He’s worked on his game to eliminate a liability. Not available in chart form is that he’s become a devastating pick and roll partner which is exactly what someone like Kyrie Irving needs. What I found most interesting, however, was that as his usage has increased, so has his efficiency. He spent many years living the backup role and it may have been easy to cast him as an “energy guy”. He’s spent the last 2 years playing starters minutes against starters and the results have been nothing short of all-star worthy recognition. Here’s a chart showing seasons sorted by usage and the accompanying player efficiency.
http://www.cavstheblog.com/?attachment_id=14057
There’s really nothing to suggest that he’s about to start trending downward. If anything, his role has increased, he has a devastating PnR partner feeding him the ball in good position, and he’s making a living off of putting some fancy english on below-the-rim finishes. As of yesterday, he was 5th in the entire NBA in estimated wins added – he’s not even pumping the brakes. Now’s a good time to remind everyone that mostly-offensive stats like PER really do not capture all of Varejao’s value at the defensive end.

Myth2: Anderson Varejao is reckless and injury prone. I rate this as partially true, but the “Trade Andy” proponents act like he is some kind of injury outlier. Every team has injuries, and every player will go through various debilitating injuries throughout his career. In the case of Varejao, he does have a well-documented injury history. But the last one was a total fluke. Nothing about his style of play made someone go Tonya Harding bodyguard on his wrist during a routine rebound. Guys that are “injury prone” are guys with degenerative bodies. Think of Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, or even Z before Cleveland doctors fixed him – guys that have constant, nagging issues. (you might even put Boobie Gibson and all his high-ankle sprains into that group) Varejao’s injuries range from broken wrist to dislocated shoulder to broken cheekbone. Maybe his style has something to do with it (flying into the stands and diving on the floor) but in some of these cases clearly there is some bad luck involved. If he was dealing with a nagging knee or back injury every 6 months it’d be different story. Clearly, these injuries haven’t affected his play at all. When he’s out he’s out, when he’s in he’s getting better every day, playing more minutes and at a higher usage rate with the only side effect being a spike in PER as it were. This is not to say he won’t continue to suffer injuries, but what you really want to gauge is how they are affecting his play when he IS playing. And anyway, if he gets bed-ridden with poison ivy this year or next for a few weeks at the end of the season because of his “style” it’s just good tanking at that point, right? (Don’t think for one second I haven’t had to deal with that lazy excuse for why paying the Lakers to take Ramon Sessions was “good value”) [Don't respond to that in the comments - it's been covered and we all love future MVP Tyler Zeller, myself included]

Myth3: He’s more valuable as a trade asset than a future asset. PANTS ON FIRE FALSE! Andy is never going to net anything close to equal value in a trade and it’s because of perception, his role on the Cavs, his contract, and his potential suitors. Let’s just establish a basic common sense principle. If you own something that is ridiculously UNDERRATED you don’t want to SELL that. Andy is ridiculously underrated. In addition, the void he fills on the Cavs is immense. Marcin Gortat is a lot more valuable on the Suns that he was on the Magic. Can you even imagine the Cavaliers right now not only without their best player but splitting 96 minutes between Zeller/TT/Samuels? I’d be orders of magnitude worse than watching the backup PG torch-passing from Ramon Sessions to Donald Sloan. Here’s another way of thinking about it: if the Cavs adding Chris Paul to their current roster it would add less value than the difference between trading and keeping Varejao. The Cavs have no one even close to being able to replicate Andy’s skills/role on the team. Also, there is no real match between teams that need him and teams that can give the Cavs an attractive package. The Cavs SHOULD want a high round draft pick (top 15) and a legitimate NBA starter AT LEAST. Not only would zero GMs offer that if they COULD, but there are no good teams with the pick and no bad teams that would give up the young starter. Then there’s the issue of his contract. It’s almost a joke when you look at how little Andy makes for an established NBA Center. Roy Hibbert just landed a max contract. Varejao makes less than HALF that. Finally, it seems his reputation is forever stuck in “irritating flopper that lived off LeBron” (which is a total farce and shame) and NBA Coaches/GMs are as subject to irrational narratives as fans. This would further inhibit anything remotely approaching fair value.
To prove my point, consider two NBA players born just 4 days apart. Both have had at least 3 seasons where they missed more than 30 games. Their career player efficiency ratings differ by ½ of 1 point. Their career Offensive and Defensive Ratings are: [115,102] and [115,101]. Their Win Share per 48min are .153 and .151. Their career usage ratings are 14.0 and 13.9. (Is this getting crazy?!) They’ve both played between 1600 and 1700 playoff minutes with Playoff PERs of 13.4 and 13.5. They’ve both played center with an elite PnR point guard and coincidentally Byron Scott as head coach. (now you got it) Both players have current contracts that extend until 2015. One player has a max deal and would never EVER EVER be traded just because his “value is high”, or because he has a history of injuries, or because he was born during the first term of the Reagan presidency. That player is Tyson Chandler – NBA Champion X-FACTOR and absolutely critical to the New York Knicks playoff aspirations. And the other guy is (surprise) Anderson Varejao – the most criminally under-appreciated player in the National Basketball Association and a guy many Cavs fans wish management would dangle for little more than a 1st round draft pick! Grab an extinguisher and put your pants out!
Also, if we could get Peyton Hillis on the cover of Madden we can certainly get Varejao into the All-Star Game.
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Hawkeye15
11-16-2012, 01:01 AM
he was on his way last year before getting hurt..

Raps08-09 Champ
11-16-2012, 01:07 AM
Doubt he'll make it.

With the rule cahnge from a C to 3 F's on the ASG ballot, you'll see a lot of large named PF's be voted in by the fans and coaches.

Hawkeye15
11-16-2012, 01:08 AM
The Curious Case of Anderson Varejao (Cavs the Blog)

After dominating the Nets last night, Anderson Varejao is once again on the trading block. Well not exactly, but there has been and continues to be a sizable collection of Cavs fans that wish it were so. All arguments go something like this: “Varejao isn’t getting any younger, he’s reckless and injury prone and is going to be a shell of his former self in 1-2 years when Kyrie/Dion/TT and company will be getting SERIOUS buckets (and please God some stops), @CavsDan will be emptying his wallet, and AC/Fred and crew will be back to calling playoff games. The future UncleDrew Army has no room for a grizzly ol veteran like Varejao and therefore the Cavs should trade him now while he’s playing like a top 3 center in the NBA and get something back.” yes, endquote

There are many that oppose this line of thinking, and some that follow the logic but just can’t bear to see a Cavs team without the Wild Thing and would rather he finish his career where he started it – maybe even with a large wig enshrined in the rafters. There’s a twitter poll up right now and the popular vote is almost as close as that nauseating election we somehow lived through. I guess that makes me a SuperPac. Time to move the needle. Let’s start with some “ fact-checking” since that’s all the rage. Or maybe a better phrase would be “exposing some myths”.

Myth1: Anderson Varejao is old. This should really read “Anderson Varejao is quickly becoming too old to be an effective NBA basketball player.” I rate this claim as Mostly False. Yes, there are studies showing that around age 30 basketball players start to head off into the sunset. And Andy just celebrated his 30th bday. But there are many interesting bits of information about Anderson Varejao that suggest he will buck this trend. Let’s start with the basics. Age matters, but so does mileage. So here’s your first trivia question. Which of the following players has logged the least NBA minutes? Anderson Varejao, Rudy Gay, Rajon Rondo, or Kevin Durant? Well if I created the question, you should be able to figure out the answer. So just let that sink in. Here’s the proof:

http://www.cavstheblog.com/wp-conten...ao_minutes.jpg

(If cannot read: Varejao - 12971 minutes; Durant - 16577 min; Rondo - 18049 min; Gay - 16286 min).

That was about as cut and dry objective as it gets. Easy stuff. So let’s wade into some murky waters. I’m no NBA scout – but even a dedicated fan can make basic observations about the game. What diminishes with age that would hurt an NBA player’s production? Quickness, leaping ability, stamina, and the body’s resiliency. A relatively recent obsession for “outside the box” training and nutrition have somewhat improved upon the resiliency problem. Stamina is managed with minutes, practice-waivers, and rest (Spurs have this perfected). So the main diminishing traits brought on by Father Time are loss of quickness and no more dunk contests. A lot of Cavs fans feel like they remember watching Shawn Kemp’s career die in front of them. It’s true in some ways, he was a shell of his Seattle self, but a 30-year old Kemp was still a warm body. Check out 31-year-old Kemp that the Trail Blazers inherited. http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../gamelog/2001/ But contrast that high-flying style, totally dependent on elite quickness and dominant athleticism, with Varejao’s game…

It’s mostly highly-skilled below-the-rim finishes around the hoop, an arsenal of off-balance hooks and up and under moves, and the occasional wide-open 15-foot jumper. Almost all of his baskets are assisted or off offensive rebounds meaning he doesn’t need to blow by a defender to create space for a shot. As a big man, he doesn’t grind away on the block in the low-post, it’s all backdoor cuts and constant movement. On the defensive end he makes a living outworking the competition, and it helps that he has good defensive instincts, a 7-foot wingspan, and there is no one better in the league at defensive position for taking charges, contesting, or boxing out. It’s pretty obvious that his success is rooted in skill (particularly his touch), will, size, and a very high bball IQ. None of these are going anywhere. There’s another player from another era with the same description, and wouldn’t you know it, he’s the first guy on this list! That’s right, Dennis Rodman. Comparing The Worm and the Wild Thing is pretty fascinating. Here’s a nice little career-comparing chart.
http://www.cavstheblog.com/?attachment_id=14055

Rodman turned 30 in 91-92. That’s 3 whole years before he was the starting PF on the 2nd 3-peat Bulls. Food for thought. While we’re weighing the likelihood that Andy is moments away from slowing down and falling off the NBA’s age cliff, let’s take a look at a few Andy-specific trends. Here’s a chart showing his FT% as a function of age.
http://www.cavstheblog.com/wp-conten...varejao_FT.jpg
He’s gradually improved almost every year. This means a lot. He’s worked on his game to eliminate a liability. Not available in chart form is that he’s become a devastating pick and roll partner which is exactly what someone like Kyrie Irving needs. What I found most interesting, however, was that as his usage has increased, so has his efficiency. He spent many years living the backup role and it may have been easy to cast him as an “energy guy”. He’s spent the last 2 years playing starters minutes against starters and the results have been nothing short of all-star worthy recognition. Here’s a chart showing seasons sorted by usage and the accompanying player efficiency.
http://www.cavstheblog.com/?attachment_id=14057
There’s really nothing to suggest that he’s about to start trending downward. If anything, his role has increased, he has a devastating PnR partner feeding him the ball in good position, and he’s making a living off of putting some fancy english on below-the-rim finishes. As of yesterday, he was 5th in the entire NBA in estimated wins added – he’s not even pumping the brakes. Now’s a good time to remind everyone that mostly-offensive stats like PER really do not capture all of Varejao’s value at the defensive end.

Myth2: Anderson Varejao is reckless and injury prone. I rate this as partially true, but the “Trade Andy” proponents act like he is some kind of injury outlier. Every team has injuries, and every player will go through various debilitating injuries throughout his career. In the case of Varejao, he does have a well-documented injury history. But the last one was a total fluke. Nothing about his style of play made someone go Tonya Harding bodyguard on his wrist during a routine rebound. Guys that are “injury prone” are guys with degenerative bodies. Think of Brandon Roy, Greg Oden, or even Z before Cleveland doctors fixed him – guys that have constant, nagging issues. (you might even put Boobie Gibson and all his high-ankle sprains into that group) Varejao’s injuries range from broken wrist to dislocated shoulder to broken cheekbone. Maybe his style has something to do with it (flying into the stands and diving on the floor) but in some of these cases clearly there is some bad luck involved. If he was dealing with a nagging knee or back injury every 6 months it’d be different story. Clearly, these injuries haven’t affected his play at all. When he’s out he’s out, when he’s in he’s getting better every day, playing more minutes and at a higher usage rate with the only side effect being a spike in PER as it were. This is not to say he won’t continue to suffer injuries, but what you really want to gauge is how they are affecting his play when he IS playing. And anyway, if he gets bed-ridden with poison ivy this year or next for a few weeks at the end of the season because of his “style” it’s just good tanking at that point, right? (Don’t think for one second I haven’t had to deal with that lazy excuse for why paying the Lakers to take Ramon Sessions was “good value”) [Don't respond to that in the comments - it's been covered and we all love future MVP Tyler Zeller, myself included]

Myth3: He’s more valuable as a trade asset than a future asset. PANTS ON FIRE FALSE! Andy is never going to net anything close to equal value in a trade and it’s because of perception, his role on the Cavs, his contract, and his potential suitors. Let’s just establish a basic common sense principle. If you own something that is ridiculously UNDERRATED you don’t want to SELL that. Andy is ridiculously underrated. In addition, the void he fills on the Cavs is immense. Marcin Gortat is a lot more valuable on the Suns that he was on the Magic. Can you even imagine the Cavaliers right now not only without their best player but splitting 96 minutes between Zeller/TT/Samuels? I’d be orders of magnitude worse than watching the backup PG torch-passing from Ramon Sessions to Donald Sloan. Here’s another way of thinking about it: if the Cavs adding Chris Paul to their current roster it would add less value than the difference between trading and keeping Varejao. The Cavs have no one even close to being able to replicate Andy’s skills/role on the team. Also, there is no real match between teams that need him and teams that can give the Cavs an attractive package. The Cavs SHOULD want a high round draft pick (top 15) and a legitimate NBA starter AT LEAST. Not only would zero GMs offer that if they COULD, but there are no good teams with the pick and no bad teams that would give up the young starter. Then there’s the issue of his contract. It’s almost a joke when you look at how little Andy makes for an established NBA Center. Roy Hibbert just landed a max contract. Varejao makes less than HALF that. Finally, it seems his reputation is forever stuck in “irritating flopper that lived off LeBron” (which is a total farce and shame) and NBA Coaches/GMs are as subject to irrational narratives as fans. This would further inhibit anything remotely approaching fair value.
To prove my point, consider two NBA players born just 4 days apart. Both have had at least 3 seasons where they missed more than 30 games. Their career player efficiency ratings differ by ½ of 1 point. Their career Offensive and Defensive Ratings are: [115,102] and [115,101]. Their Win Share per 48min are .153 and .151. Their career usage ratings are 14.0 and 13.9. (Is this getting crazy?!) They’ve both played between 1600 and 1700 playoff minutes with Playoff PERs of 13.4 and 13.5. They’ve both played center with an elite PnR point guard and coincidentally Byron Scott as head coach. (now you got it) Both players have current contracts that extend until 2015. One player has a max deal and would never EVER EVER be traded just because his “value is high”, or because he has a history of injuries, or because he was born during the first term of the Reagan presidency. That player is Tyson Chandler – NBA Champion X-FACTOR and absolutely critical to the New York Knicks playoff aspirations. And the other guy is (surprise) Anderson Varejao – the most criminally under-appreciated player in the National Basketball Association and a guy many Cavs fans wish management would dangle for little more than a 1st round draft pick! Grab an extinguisher and put your pants out!
Also, if we could get Peyton Hillis on the cover of Madden we can certainly get Varejao into the All-Star Game.
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I can virtually guarantee you very few will read your post with that length. But its a good post.

Arch Stanton
11-16-2012, 01:30 AM
I can virtually guarantee you very few will read your post with that length. But its a good post.

Thanks... But it's not my post (Cavs the Blog). I just thought it would pertain to the only AV thread I've ever seen on PSD... At least while a Cav.

Hawkeye15
11-16-2012, 01:33 AM
Thanks... But it's not my post (Cavs the Blog). I just thought it would pertain to the only AV thread I've ever seen on PSD... At least while a Cav.

haha. Well, like I said, AV was on his way last year imho. He was playing great, until hacked down with an injury.

KaganRS
11-16-2012, 01:51 AM
I can virtually guarantee you very few will read your post with that length. But its a good post.

Agreed. I loved it - well developed article with persuasive points.

KaganRS
11-16-2012, 01:52 AM
Thanks... But it's not my post (Cavs the Blog). I just thought it would pertain to the only AV thread I've ever seen on PSD... At least while a Cav.

damn i was just about to give you credit.

STL Don
11-16-2012, 02:06 AM
I don't think he'll be voted in but if he can keep his rebounding average over 10-12+ a game, he should definitely be considered. He's a very good defender and so far has even raised his scoring average per game as well. Let's see what his numbers look like in a month or two from now..

3iverson3
11-16-2012, 03:17 AM
How about Faried???????????????

Bulls_fan90
11-16-2012, 03:34 AM
Noah.

JayW_1023
11-16-2012, 05:41 AM
He's improved as an offensive player, along with his increased rebounding. He's a beast now.

Trueblue2
11-16-2012, 05:55 AM
Every day that passes in the NBA season it becomes more and more apparent that Orlando made the worst possible trade they could have in return for Dwight Howard. They could have had Varejao and promising rookie(s) while dumping bad contracts and receiving at least the same draft picks, instead they took on a bad contract in Harrington, didn't dump Turk, and passed on every decent trade opportunity that came their way.

Ebbs
11-16-2012, 06:17 AM
Lol wow it's so early in the season

bbcmillionaire
11-16-2012, 06:30 AM
if he deserves it why not? but i think 2 c's MIGHT make it, 1 being a healthy bynum. And 2 being a fight between noah(big market n playing exceptionally well at the moment) tyson(big market) hibbert( returning all star maybe) n varejao(improved)

Millsy
11-16-2012, 06:39 AM
How about Faried???????????????

Yeah I agree, he's living up to his name "Manimal"

Baller1
11-16-2012, 01:35 PM
If he can stay relatively close to the stats he's putting up right now and the Cavs continue to win some games, he's got a solid shot. He's come out strong.

RenegadeRiot36
11-16-2012, 01:53 PM
A lot of the offensive game improvement has to do with Kyrie completely dominating on the offensive side of the ball and dishing it out to him when he drives. Varejao might be the best person in the league after Dwight Howard in terms of points off assists. Hes got some of the craftiest shots near the rim I've ever seen this year and just finds ways to make baskets. Having Waiters out there as a threat has only stretched the court out for him even more.