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rockbottom2010
11-03-2012, 10:40 PM
1. Michael Jordan
2. Hakeem Olajuwan
3. Karl Malone
4. Charles Barkley
5. Scottie Pippen
6. John Stockton
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Reggie Miller
9. Gary Payton
10. David Robinson

effen5
11-03-2012, 10:48 PM
I miss the 90s...

asandhu23
11-03-2012, 10:49 PM
Reggie Miller was good but there are more deserving players.

Clyde Drexler, Dominique Wilkins, etc..

asandhu23
11-03-2012, 10:50 PM
Even Mitch Richmond can arguably be considered on the same level as Miller.

rockbottom2010
11-03-2012, 10:52 PM
its hard to decide
mourning, tim hardaway, chris webber, chris mullen....too hard

rockbottom2010
11-03-2012, 11:29 PM
Reggie Miller was good but there are more deserving players.

Clyde Drexler, Dominique Wilkins, etc..

drexley and wilkens were alot better in the 80s....

asandhu23
11-03-2012, 11:30 PM
drexley and wilkens were alot better in the 80s....

were they?

wait a sec...

asandhu23
11-03-2012, 11:31 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/drexlcl01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wilkido01.html

I don't know, man.

they spent half their careers in 80s and half in 90s. They were still VERY good in 90s.

rockbottom2010
11-03-2012, 11:34 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/drexlcl01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wilkido01.html

I don't know, man.

they spent half their careers in 80s and half in 90s. They were still VERY good in 90s.

i would put in the 80s since that era had more talent in my opinion....but at the same time....its arguble....

asandhu23
11-03-2012, 11:36 PM
damn. Dominique's brother Gerald Wilkins was pretty good.

rockbottom2010
11-03-2012, 11:37 PM
damn. Dominique's brother Gerald Wilkins was pretty good.

but not as good a dominique...the human highlight reel

Longhornfan1234
11-03-2012, 11:38 PM
LOL Reggie better than the Admiral?

P Harvy
11-03-2012, 11:38 PM
Who is charles barkley

asandhu23
11-03-2012, 11:39 PM
but not as good a dominique...the human highlight reel

of course not but still...

asandhu23
11-03-2012, 11:40 PM
Who is charles barkley

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Barkley

asandhu23
11-03-2012, 11:41 PM
Oh yeah. Patrick Ewing is missing too.

DreamShaker
11-03-2012, 11:42 PM
1. Michael Jordan
2. Hakeem Olajuwan
3. Karl Malone
4. Charles Barkley
5. Scottie Pippen
6. John Stockton
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Reggie Miller
9. Gary Payton
10. David Robinson

I would move Robinson higher and replace Miller and Payton with Ewing and Drexler.

rockbottom2010
11-03-2012, 11:42 PM
Oh yeah. Patrick Ewing is missing too.

penny is also a possibility too....thats why its hard to decide

PurpleJesus
11-03-2012, 11:50 PM
Great era...

others not mentioned yet, that could make a case for top 10.

Grant Hill, Dikembe Mutombo, Shawn Kemp...

other good players from that era, who arent top 10, but made the era great...
Sprewell, Rodman, Derrick Coleman, Chris Mullin, Glen Rice, Joe Dumars, Kevin Johnson, Vin Baker, Mookie Blaylock, Dan Majerle, Dominique Wilkins

rockbottom2010
11-03-2012, 11:52 PM
Great era...

others not mentioned yet, that could make a case for top 10.

Grant Hill, Dikembe Mutombo, Shawn Kemp...

other good players from that era, who arent top 10, but made the era great...
Sprewell, Rodman, Derrick Coleman, Chris Mullin, Glen Rice, Joe Dumars, Kevin Johnson, Vin Baker, Mookie Blaylock, Dan Majerle, Dominique Wilkins

80s and 90s were the best eras.....its possible that the 10s could be up there down the road

JordansBulls
11-04-2012, 12:11 AM
I would rank the guys based on how often they were in the MVP discussions but also if they have won titles as the man or not in the decade. To me this would be an unbiased list.

1. MJ
2. Hakeem (ahead of Malone because of titles as the man and finals mvp's)
3. Malone
4. Robinson
5. Ewing
6. Shaq
7. Barkley
8. Duncan
9. Pippen
10. Mourning/Drexler/Payton/Hill

This is where these guys have finished in MVP voting for the decade.

Top 5 in MVP Voting



TOT 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Player Years
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7 4 1 2 0 0 Jordan, Michael 90-93,96-98
7 1 1 1 3 0 Malone, Karl 90-92,95,97-99
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5 1 2 2 0 0 Robinson, David 91,92,94-96
5 0 0 0 2 3 Ewing, Patrick 90,92-95
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4 1 1 0 1 1 Olajuwon, Hakeem 93-96
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3 0 1 0 2 0 O'Neal, Shaquille 94,95,98
3 1 1 0 1 0 Barkley, Charles 90,91,93
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2 0 0 1 0 1 Duncan, Tim 98,99
2 0 0 1 0 1 Pippen, Scottie 94,96
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1 0 1 0 0 0 Mourning, Alonzo 99
1 0 1 0 0 0 Drexler, Clyde 92
1 0 0 1 0 0 Hardaway, Anfernee 96
1 0 0 1 0 0 Hill, Grant 97
1 0 0 1 0 0 Payton, Gary 98
1 0 0 0 1 0 Hardaway, Tim 97
1 0 0 0 0 1 Rice, Glen 97
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rockbottom2010
11-04-2012, 12:15 AM
I would rank the guys based on how often they were in the MVP discussions but also if they have won titles as the man or not in the decade. To me this would be an unbiased list.

1. MJ
2. Hakeem (ahead of Malone because of titles as the man and finals mvp's)
3. Malone
4. Robinson
5. Ewing
6. Shaq
7. Barkley
8. Duncan
9. Pippen
10. Mourning/Drexler/Payton/Hill

This is where these guys have finished in MVP voting for the decade.

Top 5 in MVP Voting



TOT 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Player Years
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7 4 1 2 0 0 Jordan, Michael 90-93,96-98
7 1 1 1 3 0 Malone, Karl 90-92,95,97-99
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5 1 2 2 0 0 Robinson, David 91,92,94-96
5 0 0 0 2 3 Ewing, Patrick 90,92-95
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4 1 1 0 1 1 Olajuwon, Hakeem 93-96
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3 0 1 0 2 0 O'Neal, Shaquille 94,95,98
3 1 1 0 1 0 Barkley, Charles 90,91,93
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2 0 0 1 0 1 Duncan, Tim 98,99
2 0 0 1 0 1 Pippen, Scottie 94,96
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1 0 1 0 0 0 Mourning, Alonzo 99
1 0 1 0 0 0 Drexler, Clyde 92
1 0 0 1 0 0 Hardaway, Anfernee 96
1 0 0 1 0 0 Hill, Grant 97
1 0 0 1 0 0 Payton, Gary 98
1 0 0 0 1 0 Hardaway, Tim 97
1 0 0 0 0 1 Rice, Glen 97
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i would disagree with shaq being ahead of barkley....barkley was mvp in 93...and duncan was more dominant in the 2000s era....ewing never played in the nba finals...and year the knicks made to the finals...he was injured

blazerman
11-04-2012, 12:33 AM
Who is charles barkley

your daddy

asandhu23
11-04-2012, 12:35 AM
your daddy

oh ****!

blazerman
11-04-2012, 12:42 AM
i would disagree with shaq being ahead of barkley....barkley was mvp in 93...and duncan was more dominant in the 2000s era....ewing never played in the nba finals...and year the knicks made to the finals...he was injured

I dont recall Ewing being injured against the Spurs in the finals, probably was.

rockbottom2010
11-04-2012, 12:49 AM
I dont recall Ewing being injured against the Spurs in the finals, probably was.

ya thats why the knicks were swept

blazerman
11-04-2012, 01:04 AM
ya thats why the knicks were swept

Well I suppose I will let you know thats the 2nd time your wrong in this thread.
The 1999 Spurs won 4 games to 1, the Knicks won game 3.

I think I watched alot more basketball than you back in the day so Im sure your wrong about Ewing never playing in the NBA finals because I recall Ewing playing against the Houston Rockets in 1994 and the Rockets won 4 games to 3.

Ewing averaged 18pts 12 reb 4 blks in the 1994 finals

Ewing finals 1994 and 1999 was definitely top 10 and so was Drexler- finals 1990, 1992, world champion 1995

mrblisterdundee
11-04-2012, 01:07 AM
1. Michael Jordan
2. Hakeem Olajuwan
3. Karl Malone
4. Charles Barkley
5. Scottie Pippen
6. John Stockton
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Reggie Miller
9. Gary Payton
10. David Robinson

1. Michael Jordan
2. Hakeem Olajuwon
3. Karl Malone
4. David Robinson
5. Scottie Pippen
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. John Stockton
8. Charles Barkely
9. Clyde Drexler
10. Patrick Ewing

On the outside looking in: Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Dennis Rodman, Alonzo Mourning, Shawn Kemp, Dikembe Mutumbo

rockbottom2010
11-04-2012, 01:16 AM
Well I suppose I will let you know thats the 2nd time your wrong in this thread.
The 1999 Spurs won 4 games to 1, the Knicks won game 3.

I think I watched alot more basketball than you back in the day so Im sure your wrong about Ewing never playing in the NBA finals because I recall Ewing playing against the Houston Rockets in 1994 and the Rockets won 4 games to 3.

Ewing averaged 18pts 12 reb 4 blks in the 1994 finals

Ewing finals 1994 and 1999 was definitely top 10 and so was Drexler- finals 1990, 1992, world champion 1995

i forgot about that...why is because olajuwan dominated ewing....thats why hes was finals mvp in 94 and 95....2nd place never counts.....drexler only decided to join the rockets once portland was out of contention....so he ended up joining up with the best center of that time

DreamShaker
11-04-2012, 01:24 AM
i would disagree with shaq being ahead of barkley....barkley was mvp in 93...and duncan was more dominant in the 2000s era....ewing never played in the nba finals...and year the knicks made to the finals...he was injured

He did in 94. Knicks vs. Rockets.

popo85
11-04-2012, 01:25 AM
1. Jordan
2. Olajuwon
3. O'Neal
4. Malone
5. Robinson
6. Ewing
7. Barkley
8. Pipen
9. Miller
10.Stockton

rockbottom2010
11-04-2012, 01:27 AM
He did in 94. Knicks vs. Rockets.

ya i remember now.....he played with starks....i don't think about it cuz olajuwan was the man...thats why nba stars do personal training with the dream during the off-season

DreamShaker
11-04-2012, 01:30 AM
When judging players in the 90s, only 2 players won championships as the best players on their teams who belong on the list. 1990 was Isiah Thomas, who was more an 80s guy, and Duncan was pretty much the man on the Spurs in 1999. So the other 8 guys, judging them on championships is unfair.

DreamShaker
11-04-2012, 01:33 AM
ya i remember now.....he played with starks....i don't think about it cuz olajuwan was the man...thats why nba stars do personal training with the dream during the off-season

Yeah, I am a little irrational in my love for Hakeem, so I won't argue. That being said, Ewing was a GREAT player.

Mr_Jones
11-04-2012, 01:37 AM
WHAT THE **** is THIS ****** WEBSITE!?

rockbottom2010
11-04-2012, 01:38 AM
Yeah, I am a little irrational in my love for Hakeem, so I won't argue. That being said, Ewing was a GREAT player.

Ewing was a good player i admit....he would be 11th or 12th on my list....its just that chicago dominated new york in the early 90s...if they beat the bulls at least one series in the 90s...then i would put ewing up there

lol, please
11-04-2012, 01:38 AM
1. Michael Jordan
2. Hakeem Olajuwan
3. Karl Malone
4. Charles Barkley
5. Scottie Pippen
6. John Stockton
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Reggie Miller
9. Gary Payton
10. David Robinson

How can Shaq be lower here in a list of one decade than on most all time lists. :laugh2:

blazerman
11-04-2012, 01:42 AM
i forgot about that...why is because olajuwan dominated ewing....thats why hes was finals mvp in 94 and 95....2nd place never counts.....drexler only decided to join the rockets once portland was out of contention....so he ended up joining up with the best center of that time

Houston wouldnt have made it to the finals without Drexler and Drexler never asked for a trade to the Rockets, the Blazers front office wanted him to have a shot at a championship(believe it or not) and asked him if he was interested in a trade to the Rockets. Drexler did express interest in Houston if he was ever to get traded so he could reunited with Akeem Olajuwon whom he played with in Houston in college and he lived there in the offseason.

There isnt much if anything you could tell me about the Blazers or their players, Ive followed the team since the late seventies and had season tickets for over 10 yrs until I moved to ND a few yrs ago.

I definitely agree with you on Olajuwon being the best ctr of alltime and I was so pissed when the Blazers lost the coin toss in 1984 for the rights to the top pick(Olajuwon) even more so than them not drafting MJ with the 2nd pick. The Blazers would have probably won 5 titles with Drexler and Olajuwon with the team rest of the team Portland had from 1988 to 1994.

Olajuwon tore up Shaq(he's in the top 10) far worse than than Ewing in the finals and the Magic didnt even win a game.

rockbottom2010
11-04-2012, 01:43 AM
How can Shaq be lower here in a list of one decade than on most all time lists. :laugh2:

you haven't been watching the nba that long.....hakeem dominated shaq in the 1995 finals...and he started being dominated in the 2000s.....:facepalm:

blazerman
11-04-2012, 01:51 AM
How can Shaq be lower here in a list of one decade than on most all time lists. :laugh2:

Shaq and the Lakers were the team of the decade in the 2000's, Im sure everybody has him top 10 in the 1990's also but he cemented his dynasty in the 2000's along with Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant.

Notice not one person has Kobe in the 1990's either because he is known for the 2000's even though both Shaq and him won their with the Lakers in the 1999-2000 season.

rockbottom2010
11-04-2012, 01:52 AM
Houston wouldnt have made it to the finals without Drexler and Drexler never asked for a trade to the Rockets, the Blazers front office wanted him to have a shot at a championship(believe it or not) and asked him if he was interested in a trade to the Rockets. Drexler did express interest in Houston if he was ever to get traded so he could reunited with Akeem Olajuwon whom he played with in Houston in college and he lived there in the offseason.

There isnt much if anything you could tell me about the Blazers or their players, Ive followed the team since the late seventies and had season tickets for over 10 yrs until I moved to ND a few yrs ago.

I definitely agree with you on Olajuwon being the best ctr of alltime and I was so pissed when the Blazers lost the coin toss in 1984 for the rights to the top pick(Olajuwon) even more so than them not drafting MJ with the 2nd pick. The Blazers would have probably won 5 titles with Drexler and Olajuwon with the team rest of the team Portland had from 1988 to 1994.

Olajuwon tore up Shaq far worse than than Ewing in the finals and the Magic didnt even win a game.

you sure drexler never asking for a trade..he requested a trade and they granted his wish...and i already that hes from houston. ..after he retired. .he coached the houston cougers

On February 14, 1995, with the Blazers out of serious contention for a championship, Portland honored Drexler's request to be traded to a contender and sent the Blazer great back home to the Houston Rockets in exchange for Otis Thorpe in mid-season, right before the trade deadline. Despite finishing the regular season with a record of 4735, which placed the Rockets 6th out of 8 playoff teams in the Western Conference, Drexler and long-time friend Hakeem Olajuwon helped propel them to an improbable second consecutive championship in 1995, sweeping the Orlando Magic. In his third NBA Finals appearance, Drexler averaged 21.5 points, 9.5 rebounds and 6.8 assists per game.[11]

rockbottom2010
11-04-2012, 01:54 AM
Shaq and the Lakers were the team of the decade in the 2000's, Im sure everybody has him top 10 in the 1990's also but he cemented his dynasty in the 2000's along with Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant.

Notice not one person has Kobe in the 1990's either because he is known for the 2000's even though both Shaq and him won their with the Lakers in the 1999-2000 season.

you gotta put garnett, pierce, and kidd...they were the real deal...i gotta give it to you...ive been watching basketball for 20 years and still in my 20s...so ive seen the whole evolution with the nba

jimm120
11-04-2012, 02:05 AM
1. Michael Jordan
2. Hakeem Olajuwan
3. Karl Malone
4. Charles Barkley
5. Scottie Pippen
6. John Stockton
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Reggie Miller
9. Gary Payton
10. David Robinson

I love Payton and Miller had my respect, even though he was Flop 101. But Ewing was better than at least those two players and imo, better than David Robinson too.

jimm120
11-04-2012, 02:10 AM
i would disagree with shaq being ahead of barkley....barkley was mvp in 93...and duncan was more dominant in the 2000s era....ewing never played in the nba finals...and year the knicks made to the finals...he was injured


I dont recall Ewing being injured against the Spurs in the finals, probably was.


ya thats why the knicks were swept

BOOM!

Ewing was in the 94 finals and was continuesly knocked out of the playoffs by the Jordan Bulls.

And in 99, one of the reasons the Knicks even made it to the playoffs was because of Ewing.

Plus, if he wouldn't have gotten hurt in game 2 or game 3 of the eastern finals, it would have been a different story in the finals (I feel they would have still lost, but it wouldn't have been this lopsided series...).

rockbottom2010
11-04-2012, 02:13 AM
I love Payton and Miller had my respect, even though he was Flop 101. But Ewing was better than at least those two players and imo, better than David Robinson too.

Miller was a one man show for the Pacers. Only later in his career Mullen and Rose joined the pacers. He was the 3-point king for a very long time. Payton was an elite point guard during the 90s as a Sonic.

jimm120
11-04-2012, 02:15 AM
you haven't been watching the nba that long.....hakeem dominated shaq in the 1995 finals...and he started being dominated in the 2000s.....:facepalm:


Shaq and the Lakers were the team of the decade in the 2000's, Im sure everybody has him top 10 in the 1990's also but he cemented his dynasty in the 2000's along with Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant.

Notice not one person has Kobe in the 1990's either because he is known for the 2000's even though both Shaq and him won their with the Lakers in the 1999-2000 season.

Shaq in the 90's was a top 10 player.
Shaq in the 00's was a top 3 player.

Put those combined and you get a top 10 player all time!

rockbottom2010
11-04-2012, 02:20 AM
BOOM!

Ewing was in the 94 finals and was continuesly knocked out of the playoffs by the Jordan Bulls.

And in 99, one of the reasons the Knicks even made it to the playoffs was because of Ewing.

Plus, if he wouldn't have gotten hurt in game 2 or game 3 of the eastern finals, it would have been a different story in the finals (I feel they would have still lost, but it wouldn't have been this lopsided series...).

if you have forgotten, they were the 8th seed...they barely made it to the playoffs.....he only averaged 13 ppg during the playoffs...if u remember...larry johnson, latrell sprewell, and allan houston took them to the finals

jimm120
11-04-2012, 02:21 AM
Miller was a one man show for the Pacers. Only later in his career Mullen and Rose joined the pacers. He was the 3-point king for a very long time. Payton was an elite point guard during the 90s as a Sonic.

So was Ewing on the Knicks. You're gonna tell me that Starks was his #2 guy for so many years!?!? Starks (and you gotta realize that Starks was "my boy" back then) is the equivalent of JR Smith of this era. You expect Ewing to do something with defense only and him being the only offensive weapon? Well, they did, but not enough to win a championship.

As for Payton. Sonic were always my 2nd favorite team. I know payton. Detlef. Perkins. Kemp. I played more with the Sonics on the NBA live games than the Knicks (mostly because of Detlef's awesome 3 point shooting). I know payton was the man....But Patrick Ewing was out there awesome.

rockbottom2010
11-04-2012, 02:23 AM
Shaq in the 90's was a top 10 player.
Shaq in the 00's was a top 3 player.

Put those combined and you get a top 10 player all time!

ur nuts....the dream spanked him silly in the 95 finals, and utah and SA dominated the lakers in the late 90s

jimm120
11-04-2012, 02:25 AM
if you have forgotten, they were the 8th seed...they barely made it to the playoffs.....he only averaged 13 ppg during the playoffs...if u remember...larry johnson, latrell sprewell, and allan houston took them to the finals

gosh...really? all thread long, you've hated on ewing but I won't rely on that for my argument.

What you're saying is like saying that Shaq wasn't that good and that you were gonna subtract from his rankings just because his final 3 years weren't as good. Shaq in Cleveland and Boston killed his rankings...according to your argument.

An AGING, OLD, RICKETY Ewing helped lead NY to the playoffs. That same Ewing helped them get to the eastern finals. WITH Ewing on the floor, they would have had some size on offense in the finals against "The Twin Towers" and would have had Camby and Ewing to match up with Robinson and Duncan on defense. Ewing being there would have changed the whole dynamics of the series.

jimm120
11-04-2012, 02:29 AM
ur nuts....the dream spanked him silly in the 95 finals, and utah and SA dominated the lakers in the late 90s

WTF is wrong with you? Shaq was a huge force in the 90's...even as a rookie? you know how? Even though he started playing in '93 (or was it 92?), he got the Magic to the finals. A young Shaq lost out to the best center in his prime ....and you're saying because of that Shaq was not top 10 during the 90's? c'mon.

Shaq is the type of player we'll get again. We have more of a chance of getting another Ewing or another Hakeem (where its about the moves) than we have of getting another Shaq (physically speaking along with the offense).

rockbottom2010
11-04-2012, 02:30 AM
gosh...really? all thread long, you've hated on ewing but I won't rely on that for my argument.

What you're saying is like saying that Shaq wasn't that good and that you were gonna subtract from his rankings just because his final 3 years weren't as good. Shaq in Cleveland and Boston killed his rankings...according to your argument.

An AGING, OLD, RICKETY Ewing helped lead NY to the playoffs. That same Ewing helped them get to the eastern finals. WITH Ewing on the floor, they would have had some size on offense in the finals against "The Twin Towers" and would have had Camby and Ewing to match up with Robinson and Duncan on defense. Ewing being there would have changed the whole dynamics of the series.

were talking the 90s here....not the 2000s....thats a completely different topic...ewing in my opinion is 11th or 12th on my list.....ewing would have proved something if he at least beat the bulls in one of the series...or beat the rockets in the 94 nba finals....well that never happened

rockbottom2010
11-04-2012, 02:34 AM
WTF is wrong with you? Shaq was a huge force in the 90's...even as a rookie? you know how? Even though he started playing in '93 (or was it 92?), he got the Magic to the finals. A young Shaq lost out to the best center in his prime ....and you're saying because of that Shaq was not top 10 during the 90's? c'mon.

Shaq is the type of player we'll get again. We have more of a chance of getting another Ewing or another Hakeem (where its about the moves) than we have of getting another Shaq (physically speaking along with the offense).

i made a mistake ranking robinson lower than shaq in the 90s....shaq didn't prove much during the 90s when it came to playoff time....shaq won his first title in the 2000s....and he was extremely dominate in that decade...w/o question i would put shaq, duncan, and kobe at 1,2,3 in the 2000s era

jimm120
11-04-2012, 02:51 AM
i made a mistake ranking robinson lower than shaq in the 90s....shaq didn't prove much during the 90s when it came to playoff time....shaq won his first title in the 2000s....and he was extremely dominate in that decade...w/o question i would put shaq, duncan, and kobe at 1,2,3 in the 2000s era

you put too much stock this "proving" thing.

Did Ewing not prove that without a real #2 that he could make the Knicks a favorite (if not for jordan) for the finals for 7 years of the 90's? And when he did finally get help in 98 and onward, he was at the same stages that Shaq was in during his final 2/3 seasons.

Raph12
11-04-2012, 04:24 AM
These lists just further emphasize the fact that DRob is the most underrated player of all time.

Andrew32
11-04-2012, 06:30 AM
ur nuts....the dream spanked him silly in the 95 finals, and utah and SA dominated the lakers in the late 90s

#1. Dream didn't spank Shaq ever.
-He got outplayed by Shaq from 93-95 in their regular season matchups
-He slightly outplayed Shaq in the 95 Finals.
-He then proceeded to get dominated by Shaq in 96 / 97 in most of their h2h meetings.

Shaq overall definitely has a clear edge over Prime Hakeem in the 90's when looking at overall h2h play.

#2. This is a team sport.
Utah and SA did dominate the Lakers but it had nothing to do with Shaq individually.
They had much better overall teams & coaching.

Shaq was usually either the best or the very close 2nd best player in those series.
He put up amazing performances in the playoffs throughout the mid-late 90's that very few All-Time Greats could replicate.

Anyway.

Top 5 players in the 90's are.

1. Jordan
2. Malone
3. Hakeem
4. Shaq
5. Barkley

Something like that.
Could probably swap Hakeem with Malone and maybe replace Barkley with Robinson or Ewing.

the avenger
11-04-2012, 06:32 AM
If we're talking about just the 90's:

1. Jordan
2. Olajuwon
3. Malone
4. Robinson
5. Barkley
6. Stockton
7. Ewing
8. O'Neal
9. Pippen
10. Drexler

Andrew32
11-04-2012, 06:33 AM
If we're talking about just the 90's:

1. Jordan
2. Olajuwon
3. Malone
4. Robinson
5. Barkley
6. Stockton
7. Ewing
8. O'Neal
9. Pippen
10. Drexler

Dude... Robinson, Barkley, Ewing and Stockton were not better then Shaq in the 90's.
Not even close.

Shaq was already 2nd in MVP voting by 1995 and was the best C in the league from 96-99.
He was probably better then Ewing in his Rookie season or his 2nd season at the latest and had surpassed Robinson as a playoff performer by his 3rd.

Love Stockton but c'mon... his impact in the 90's was never comparable to 94/95-99 Shaq.

Do you really want me to pull up playoff stats and show you how ridiculous it is to rank Shaq that low?
He was already in his Prime by 94 or 95 at the latest.

Shaq from 94-99 was Top 1-5 every year.

the avenger
11-04-2012, 06:41 AM
Dude... Robinson, Barkley, Ewing and Stockton were not better then Shaq in the 90's.
Not even close.

Shaq was already 2nd in MVP voting by 1995 and was the best C in the league from 96-99.

Do you really want me to pull up playoff stats and show you how ridiculous it is to rank Shaq that low?
He was already in his Prime by 94 or 95 at the latest.

'Dude', the 90s era lasted 10 years... You are talking about how good Shaq was from 1995 to 1999. Robinson was definitely better than Shaq from 1990 till 1996, so was Barkley. You're projecting all of Shaq's performances in the 1990's, imagine him retiring in 1999... Would he have been better than Barkley, Robinson, Ewing??

Andrew32
11-04-2012, 06:49 AM
'Dude', the 90s era lasted 10 years... You are talking about how good Shaq was from 1995 to 1999. Robinson was definitely better than Shaq from 1990 till 1996, so was Barkley. You're projecting all of Shaq's performances in the 1990's, imagine him retiring in 1999... Would he have been better than Barkley, Robinson, Ewing??

Most of those guys fell off hard by the late 90's and had years completely derailed by injuries which makes the 1-3 year gap practically insignificant.

Shaq by 1995 was already a better player/playoff performer then D-Rob ever was.

Barkley was pretty beast but I'd say Shaq probably firmly surpassed him in 95.

Could you argue for Barkley being better in the 90's... maybe.

Still its absurd to rank Robinson, Ewing or Stockton over Shaq who was just a vastly superior playoff performer.

His 90's career was definitely more valuable then those 3 and I don't think its particularly close.

1. Jordan
2. Hakeem
3. Malone
4/5. Shaq/Barkley

abe_froman
11-04-2012, 07:24 AM
this thread proves once again that reggie miller is arguable the most overrated player of all time.how exactly is he better that robinson or payton?(or some of the people that you left off the list like ewing,drexler,ect.)

DanG
11-04-2012, 07:31 AM
1. Jordan
2. Hakeem
3. Malone
4/5. Shaq/Barkley

this

rockbottom2010
11-04-2012, 07:58 AM
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Most of those guys fell off hard by the late 90's and had years completely derailed by injuries which makes the 1-3 year gap practically insignificant.

Shaq by 1995 was already a better player/playoff performer then D-Rob ever was.

Barkley was pretty beast but I'd say Shaq probably firmly surpassed him in 95.

Could you argue for Barkley being better in the 90's... maybe.

Still its absurd to rank Robinson, Ewing or Stockton over Shaq who was just a vastly superior playoff performer.

His 90's career was definitely more valuable then those 3 and I don't think its particularly close.

1. Jordan
2. Hakeem
3. Malone
4/5. Shaq/Barkley

somebody agrees with me for once...u know whats the reason...barkley is a 6 '6 pf....undersized player for his position...and still...he dominated in that position...and on top of that...snubed jordan for mvp in 93....one of the most underrated pfs in nba history