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NetsPaint
11-03-2012, 08:13 PM
salaries?

Guys such as Tony Allen, Ronnie Brewer, Shane Battier are premier defenders, but are making much less than superstars who aren't all-team defenders. None of them are great offense players, but they don't bring the team down with their offense either, sometimes bringing it on that end.

Also as much as people talk about defense wins championships, a lot of people seem to feel they shouldn't be getting paid that much without the offense.

KnickaBocka.44
11-03-2012, 08:25 PM
Because good offense beats good defense most nights. The game is about putting the ball in the basket first and foremost. You have to score points to win games, etc etc

abe_froman
11-03-2012, 08:35 PM
because 1.defense is about effort,schemes and whats asked of you,if you put any of those players on a run and gun team with a coach who doesnt emphasis defense than you'd never say allen,brewer,ect were good defensive players and you can turn any player thats willing to buy in and do the work into a decent or above defender
2.its a saying,not a rule
3.as was said.offense wins most night,the point of the game is to have the most points at the end of the night ,and since there's no way to stop a good scorer it makes having them a premium

KnicksorBust
11-03-2012, 08:37 PM
It's easier to find a hustle player than to find a consistent scorer.

Also, it's easier for a good offensive player to play average to good defense (schemes/matchups/etc) but it's damn hard to turn Ronnie Brewer into a 10ppg scorer.

lpdunks8
11-04-2012, 01:55 AM
Team defense is what wins.

KB-Pau-DH2012
11-04-2012, 01:57 AM
Team defense is what wins.

llullz I was just about to post this. Thanks! :clap:

lakers4sho
11-04-2012, 01:59 AM
because defensive plays don't get you into Sportscenter's top plays of the night

asandhu23
11-04-2012, 02:12 AM
Defense alone doesn't win championships.

b@llhog24
11-04-2012, 02:45 AM
http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=768588&highlight=defense

Hawkeye15
11-04-2012, 03:36 AM
scoring gets you paid. Always has.

Alayla
11-04-2012, 08:02 AM
Alot of whats being said goes both ways though while its true any player in the nba can defender with enough effort on that end i can promise you any NBA player has enough scoring ability to make a clear cut best Defensive team in the NBA with all below average offensive players still compete.NBA players wouldnt be in the NBA in the frist place if they couldnt score at a high level the offense can allways be done by committee and all though i do think teams are starting to notice that it goes both ways its also True that a gritty Defensive team with no real offense wouldnt put butsin the seats. Sadly enough Casual fans Just prefer offense..

bostncelts34
11-04-2012, 08:54 AM
Sorry, but GREAT offense beats GREAT defense. Also, points=ticket sales..blah blah blah.

Swashcuff
11-04-2012, 09:24 AM
Because defense doesn't win championships. Great teams do. Solid D is a generally a characteristic of a great team. Plain and simple anyone who thinks other wise hasn't really accurately assessed the statement.

TornadoOfSouls
11-04-2012, 12:06 PM
salaries?

Guys such as Tony Allen, Ronnie Brewer, Shane Battier are premier defenders, but are making much less than superstars who aren't all-team defenders. None of them are great offense players, but they don't bring the team down with their offense either, sometimes bringing it on that end.

Also as much as people talk about defense wins championships, a lot of people seem to feel they shouldn't be getting paid that much without the offense.

You do realize all the guys you just named are defensive backcourt players that are extremely limited on the offensive end, right? Bowen was the same and he never got paid more than 4 million a year. Deng, Iguodala, G. Wallace have all been well paid because they can contribute in other ways besides defense.

I'd also like to point out that a premier defender in a guard/wing role will never have as large a impact on a game as a defensive big and those guys are paid extremely well(Tyson, Noah, Asik, Varejao, Bogut, etc).

StarvingKnick22
11-04-2012, 12:09 PM
because all around players exist.

TheNumber37
11-04-2012, 12:14 PM
defense wins championships, but it might not sell too many tickets.

Blitzbolt
11-04-2012, 01:35 PM
Tony Allen Can't shot is like Shaq shooting FTs.

osmosis da kid
11-04-2012, 01:49 PM
Because defense doesn't win championships. Great teams do. Solid D is a generally a characteristic of a great team. Plain and simple anyone who thinks other wise hasn't really accurately assessed the statement.

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: Quit watching basketball PLZ if you can't stop the other team your not going to win.

AWC713
11-04-2012, 01:51 PM
Because good offense beats good defense most nights. The game is about putting the ball in the basket first and foremost. You have to score points to win games, etc etc

this is probably the dumbest comments ive ever seen on PSD.

no **** you have to score more points. it's also a two way street. you have to hold you opponent to LESS points than yourself. hence the need for defense.

Swashcuff
11-04-2012, 01:52 PM
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: Quit watching basketball PLZ if you can't stop the other team your not going to win.

Well child that's where solid D comes into play. Never in your life FP me again.

JasonJohnHorn
11-04-2012, 02:05 PM
Great defensive players get paid, but yeah, they don't get paid as much as scorer. Bottom line, you win by putting the ball in the bucket. If you can't do that, you won't get paid as much.

That said, I think the "defense wins championships" is overstated. It should be "defense AND rebounds win championships, as long as you aren't turning the ball over and are hitting your shots". ;-)

IndyRealist
11-04-2012, 02:10 PM
because the casual fans watch offense. they see their team dribble and shoot, and think that's 90% of the game. sportscenter reinforces it by showing mostly offensive highlights. and most nba decisionmakers aren't any better at this than casual fans.

NetsPaint
11-04-2012, 08:33 PM
For the record I didn't mean to indicate what I believe. I would rather take a great offensive team with solid defense than a team with great defense and solid offense. I get the feeling the same people who say "great defense wins championships" would rather pay more for a scorer who doesn't have much defense. A lot of people complain about good defenders with mediocre offense.

Also guys such as Ronnie Brewer probably deserves a lot more than some other players, and he's on a vet. minimum contract.

KnickaBocka.44
11-04-2012, 08:51 PM
this is probably the dumbest comments ive ever seen on PSD.

no **** you have to score more points. it's also a two way street. you have to hold you opponent to LESS points than yourself. hence the need for defense.

I hope you're kidding. We are talking about individual players. If you throw big money at Tony Allen, or someone like him, then you're not going to be able to afford the kind of talent it takes to go far in the playoffs. Kevin Durant, Melo, Lebron, etc. are still going to get theirs regardless of who is guarding them, that's why they make the big money.

24 Second Cloth
11-04-2012, 08:59 PM
I agree that there is less emphasis on great defence, solid defence can chock any side. Still a low scoring game is usually a boring game so there has to be a balance.

Many great sides never won a championship because there defence sucked.

Nearly every great player also plays great defence.

kyubi256
11-04-2012, 09:13 PM
Because you still need to score to win the game.

Dwight Howard gets paid a lot too...

We don't want one dimensional guys because they have to play offense also