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grandsalami
11-02-2012, 07:49 PM
Yancen Pujols ‏@YancenPujols
Carlos Marmol (Cubs) have been traded to the Angels. The pitcher confirms the move to @ElCaribeRD. "Anaheim is a good team".

Mike DiGiovanna ‏@MikeDiGiovanna
#Angels are on the verge of trading RHP Dan Haren to the #Cubs for RH reliever Carlos Marmol.

LASportsFan1996
11-02-2012, 07:50 PM
Ugh

Zito4Prez
11-02-2012, 07:51 PM
Good for the Cubs. I miss having Haren on the A's :( :( :(

roylikeswaffles
11-02-2012, 07:52 PM
Great job by the Cubs if this pans out.

metswon69
11-02-2012, 07:53 PM
Good deal for the Cubbies.

abe_froman
11-02-2012, 07:53 PM
good get for the cubs

Burkey3472
11-02-2012, 07:56 PM
If Haren can turn back into what he was pre 2012, this will be a great deal for them. Even if he doesn't and they aren't in contention, they can deal him at the deadline for a spec.

Celtic AL
11-02-2012, 07:59 PM
Of course it's the cubs theo loves screwing the redsox.... Now watch him dealing Haren for specs in july

MetsFanatic19
11-02-2012, 08:01 PM
Very good deal for the Cubs. A very solid, veteran, professional starter in exchange for a reliever with horrible control.

Cub_StuckinSTL
11-02-2012, 08:01 PM
Win salary wise for the cubs too

rockbottom2010
11-02-2012, 08:01 PM
they are going to use that as a trade chip....

iAugust
11-02-2012, 08:02 PM
Great deal for the Cubbies. Haren has A LOT of question marks so I thought whichever team would end up with him would end up feeling like they overpaid but this is a very low risk high reward deal. Marmol is awful, so even if Haren is bad they didn't lose much. Great deal for CHC

sacgiants1213
11-02-2012, 08:02 PM
Will Marmol even close for the Angels?

homestarunner93
11-02-2012, 08:03 PM
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ATL#22
11-02-2012, 08:04 PM
The Angels are slowly becoming one of the worst run franchises

Celtic AL
11-02-2012, 08:04 PM
I want to smash things right now

VenezuelanMet
11-02-2012, 08:04 PM
Is there any reason to think Haren won't bounce back? If not, this is an awful deal.

Also, I don't know why wouldn't more teams be on Haren if this was the asking price. Basically every team has a better reliever than Marmol...

MetsFanatic19
11-02-2012, 08:05 PM
The Angels are slowly becoming one of the worst run franchises

Los Angeles is weird.

iAugust
11-02-2012, 08:07 PM
Is there any reason to think Haren won't bounce back? If not, this is an awful deal.

Yes. 32 coming off lower back injuries and the worst year of his career. Wasn't just last year and the injuries either, velocity, k-rate and swinging strike % have all been declining for the last 4 seasons. Been pitching to more contact and throwing less strikes for 4 seasons in the making as well. Reminds me of Jon Lester's peripherals going into last season

CarniifeX
11-02-2012, 08:09 PM
Hate this deal as an Angels fan.

I don't know why Haren was even on the block. Sure he had a rough year but this guy has been one of the most consistent starters over the past decade.

If the Angels don't get Grienke, they may have to rebuild.

j-bay
11-02-2012, 08:10 PM
i wonder why anybody like rosenthal, olney, or heyman hasn't reported anything yet.

iAugust
11-02-2012, 08:13 PM
Heyman tweeted it

Celtic AL
11-02-2012, 08:14 PM
i wonder why anybody like rosenthal, olney, or heyman hasn't reported anything yet.

Oh they did

Vintage
11-02-2012, 08:14 PM
What a coup for the Cubs

Haren and Garza 1-2 punch

With Castro, Rizzo, Jackson, and others on offense and the Cubs might actually be good..

GA16Angels
11-02-2012, 08:14 PM
****** *** trade. BB/9 of 7.3 in 2012. Just awful.

GA16Angels
11-02-2012, 08:16 PM
Will Marmol even close for the Angels?

No.

GA16Angels
11-02-2012, 08:16 PM
Is there any reason to think Haren won't bounce back? If not, this is an awful deal.

Also, I don't know why wouldn't more teams be on Haren if this was the asking price. Basically every team has a better reliever than Marmol...

He had a lower back problem all year long :shrug:

Rush
11-02-2012, 08:16 PM
Wow. I don't like this trade at all for the Angels. Guy has a down year and they give up on him?

Cub_StuckinSTL
11-02-2012, 08:17 PM
What a coup for the Cubs

Haren and Garza 1-2 punch

With Castro, Rizzo, Jackson, and others on offense and the Cubs might actually be good..

I wouldn't go that far. More likely he bounces back and gets flipped.

Celtic AL
11-02-2012, 08:17 PM
What a coup for the Cubs

Haren and Garza 1-2 punch

With Castro, Rizzo, Jackson, and others on offense and the Cubs might actually be good..

Both will be gone in July lol

Tryptamine
11-02-2012, 08:20 PM
The Cubs are still likely going to suck because the offense will be horrendous, but if they're able to sign Marcum, like has been rumored that 1-4 will be really good. Of course if they landed Josh Johnson then.....

1. Haren
2. Garza
3. Marcum
4. Shark

SACNYY
11-02-2012, 08:20 PM
Dammit. Now Haren has to go to another loser team lol.

lol, please
11-02-2012, 08:20 PM
Great for the Cubbies. I want to see them contend for a title. They are definitely due.

More-Than-Most
11-02-2012, 08:22 PM
What a great deal for the cubs wow. Just wow

1908_Cubs
11-02-2012, 08:22 PM
Both will be gone in July lol

Maybe. It'll really depend on where the Cubs feel as though they are in terms of building. There's no guarantee they trade either or both of them if they feel as though they're looking at 2014. They could, conceivably, bring both of them back.

I don't think it's entirely likely, just not a guarantee, either.

Cub_StuckinSTL
11-02-2012, 08:22 PM
Both will be gone in July lol
Probably but you sound bitter.

Great for the Cubbies. I want to see them contend for a title. They are definitely due.

:pray: I'd give my left nut just to get to the WS and have a shot

Jeffy25
11-02-2012, 08:24 PM
This is an amazing move for the Cubs.

Very good move.

they deal a problem, get a fantastic asset, and don't move any prospects.

Good job Theo and company.

Now it's starting to look like a real rotation.

chicagocubsfan
11-02-2012, 08:26 PM
Dammit. Now Haren has to go to another loser team lol.

u mad?

Bob Loblaw
11-02-2012, 08:26 PM
Surely they couldve gotten more for Haren then that?

VenezuelanMet
11-02-2012, 08:30 PM
:pray: I'd give my left nut just to get to the WS and have a shot
Would you give the other one to ensure a win?

Zito4Prez
11-02-2012, 08:30 PM
I guess the Angels wanted Trout to have even more home run robberies in 2013.

gauth25
11-02-2012, 08:31 PM
There goes the Angels rotation. Soon Greinke will be gone too.

Cub_StuckinSTL
11-02-2012, 08:33 PM
Would you give the other one to ensure a win?

Yup

Chitown Sparty
11-02-2012, 08:35 PM
good deal for the Cubs, however it breaks down for them. He pitches well, they contend, and keep him, they end up being ahead of Theo's schedule. If he pitches well and they are still out of it, they will be able to trade him in July for far more than they would have gotten for Marmol

Bob Loblaw
11-02-2012, 08:36 PM
I guess the Angels wanted Trout to have even more home run robberies in 2013.


or less, haren was tied for 12th in hr allowed this year

natepro
11-02-2012, 08:36 PM
Marmol?

TooMutch14
11-02-2012, 08:36 PM
This would be a great deal for both clubs I feel

GA16Angels
11-02-2012, 08:39 PM
I guess the Angels wanted Trout to have even more home run robberies in 2013.

We wouldn't have traded Santana if that were the case. And Marmol does most of hist damage by walking almost everyone he faces.

lol, please
11-02-2012, 08:39 PM
This would be a great deal for both clubs I feel

I don't know about both clubs. I have to disagree with you on that.

Twitchy
11-02-2012, 08:39 PM
Marmol?

Her? (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mca33xw6kq1rxp4reo1_250.jpg)

That's how I picture you saying it haha.

Strange deal for the Angels. They better get Greinke.

Pakman
11-02-2012, 08:40 PM
That's the best offer we had for haren? U gotta be kidding me.

natepro
11-02-2012, 08:40 PM
I guess Marmol will slot into a 7th inning role?

There's no way this is the extent of our bullpen moves this season.

natepro
11-02-2012, 08:40 PM
Her? (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mca33xw6kq1rxp4reo1_250.jpg)

That's how I picture you saying it haha.

Strange deal for the Angels. They better get Greinke.

Pretty much, yup.

Bob Loblaw
11-02-2012, 08:42 PM
or maybe the Angels are clearing salary for a Wells for Arod trade haha

Rndy
11-02-2012, 08:44 PM
I figured the only team who would take a chance on Marmol was the Yankees. I'll understand this trade if the Angels trade for Larry Rothschild or else I'm confused.

Eg714
11-02-2012, 08:44 PM
or maybe the Angels are clearing salary for a Wells for Arod trade haha

Marmols salary is pretty high.

cubfan23
11-02-2012, 08:46 PM
I have the biggest erection now, we got Haren and got rid of Marmol.....awesome! Him, Garza, the Shark and maybe Dempster = dirtyyyyyyyyy

Yankee Clipper
11-02-2012, 08:46 PM
Good move for the Cubs.

Ezio
11-02-2012, 08:48 PM
Finally he's gone, I wonder who closes for the Cubs now.

My bad I heard Bulls being talked about and wrote that instead :laugh2:

Bob Loblaw
11-02-2012, 08:49 PM
Marmols salary is pretty high.

good reef your right, 9.8 mill. wow

Rndy
11-02-2012, 08:55 PM
Dan Haren going to the NL central should help him a **** ton. We'll probably get Demp back as well have 3 #2 pitchers to trade at the deadline if everything works out.

vladdy#27
11-02-2012, 08:57 PM
Twist: Now I'm told reports of the deal are still premature -- #Angels still active in discussions with more than one team.

https://twitter.com/Alden_Gonzalez/status/264530798781292545

Farsight
11-02-2012, 08:58 PM
Is the Angels GM on acid? Great deal for the Cubs... Haren more than likely is going to bounce back from such an awful season. Moreover, even if hes on a decline, hes still a good top to mid rotation pitcher. Im just shocked how little it took to get him, especially with Marmol's huge contract

gaughan333
11-02-2012, 09:02 PM
good reef your right, 9.8 mill. wow

Awesome name. Bob Loblaw's law blog

baseballguy247
11-02-2012, 09:02 PM
weird trade

Vintage
11-02-2012, 09:04 PM
Alden Gonzalez of MLB.com (via Twitter) hears that the deal has not been completed and the Angels are still active in discussions with more than one team.

Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#q4dXeEksHUseYtxR.99

vladdy#27
11-02-2012, 09:08 PM
One potential holdup in Haren-Marmol trade is that #Angels and #Cubs may be waiting for MLB approval because of money being exchanged.

I hope we are getting the money but im sure its the other way around :sigh:

More-Than-Most
11-02-2012, 09:08 PM
https://twitter.com/Alden_Gonzalez/status/264530798781292545

phillies :pray:

Eagles4Lyfe
11-02-2012, 09:10 PM
What a steal for the Cubs a RP for a high end SP, hard to not crush a deal in that type of scenario.

It's basically 2 expiring contracts for one another. If Cubs can work on an extension during the season could work wonders.

vladdy#27
11-02-2012, 09:10 PM
phillies :pray:

For Howard probably. Wouldn't surprise me :mad:

popo85
11-02-2012, 09:16 PM
Mtm Wells for Howard lol

GA16Angels
11-02-2012, 09:19 PM
Maybe we can get Alfonso Soriano also!! :jumpy:

:rolleyes:

gaughan333
11-02-2012, 09:23 PM
Maybe we can get Alfonso Soriano also!! :jumpy:

:rolleyes:

Him and Vernon Wells could be cornerstones in the "most overpaid outfield ever"

BcEuAbRsS
11-02-2012, 09:28 PM
What are the Angels thinking?

Vintage
11-02-2012, 09:30 PM
What are the Angels thinking?

They need bullpen pieces and they want to free up money for Grienke return.

Haren had a down year ... change of scenery will help

LASportsFan1996
11-02-2012, 09:30 PM
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal
Haren-for-Marmol NOT done. #Angels continue to talk to other clubs. #Cubs asked Marmol about teams on his no-trade and whether he would MORE


Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal
agree to trade to #Angels. Again, no deal with #Cubs is complete. Possible, but not complete.

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vladdy#27
11-02-2012, 09:30 PM
Haren-for-Marmol NOT done. #Angels continue to talk to other clubs. #Cubs asked Marmol about teams on his no-trade and whether he would agree to trade to #Angels. Again, no deal with #Cubs is complete. Possible, but not complete.

Haren has to be traded by 9:00 PM PST

popo85
11-02-2012, 09:37 PM
Guesses on the other team?

Cards for Matt Carpenter?

vladdy#27
11-02-2012, 09:40 PM
Decision rests with Marmol, according to source. If he agrees to join #Angels, Haren will go to #Cubs.

:sigh:

gocubs2118
11-02-2012, 09:42 PM
I'm gonna cry if this doesn't go through. First, Dempster and now this crap.

VenezuelanMet
11-02-2012, 09:48 PM
They need bullpen pieces and they want to free up money for Grienke return.

Haren had a down year ... change of scenery will help

Free up money by acquiring a 10 million reliever?

GasMan
11-02-2012, 09:55 PM
Dammit, I wish the Tigers had pick up Valverde's option now that I know the price for Haren is an overpaid closer. This just seems stupid.

Cheezombie
11-02-2012, 09:57 PM
I dunno why people are confused about how little they got for Haren, dude was owed a ****-ton of money. Money the Angels obviously weren't willing to pay.

GA16Angels
11-02-2012, 09:59 PM
If this goes through with no additional cash changing hands, it means that Dipoto values Marmol at roughly 6.5 MIL. That's ridiculous.

LASportsFan1996
11-02-2012, 09:59 PM
I dunno why people are confused about how little they got for Haren, dude was owed a ****-ton of money. Money the Angels obviously weren't willing to pay.

They got like 10M back for Marmol

Cheezombie
11-02-2012, 10:04 PM
They got like 10M back for Marmol

Ah, well I don't know what the Angels are doing:shrug:

Seems like they keep making awful moves. The only good move I remember them making in like the last 5 years is trading for Haren.

natepro
11-02-2012, 10:07 PM
Ah, well I don't know what the Angels are doing:shrug:

Seems like they keep making awful moves. The only good move I remember them making in like the last 5 years is trading for Haren.

Ernesto Frieri seemed to turn out pretty well.

GA16Angels
11-02-2012, 10:09 PM
Ah, well I don't know what the Angels are doing:shrug:

Seems like they keep making awful moves. The only good move I remember them making in like the last 5 years is trading for Haren.

:confused:

Frieri, Greinke, Iannetta? And those are just from this past year. And looking back, the Dan Haren trade wasn't great for us.

Cheezombie
11-02-2012, 10:11 PM
True, I had him on my fantasy team. But he's just a reliever. They keep signing old OFers, trading Napoli, Pujols to 10 yrs, etc.

Cheezombie
11-02-2012, 10:11 PM
:confused:

Frieri, Greinke, Iannetta? And those are just from this past year. And looking back, the Dan Haren trade wasn't great for us.

Greinke was for half a season.

LASportsFan1996
11-02-2012, 10:22 PM
Carrie Muskat ‏@CarrieMuskat
#Cubs source says Marmol-for-Haren trade "not happening"

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DaSox_05
11-02-2012, 10:23 PM
Trade is not happening now!? WTF!

GA16Angels
11-02-2012, 10:23 PM
True, I had him on my fantasy team. But he's just a reliever. They keep signing old OFers, trading Napoli, Pujols to 10 yrs, etc.

The most recent old outfielder we signed was Torii Hunter five years ago and that worked out pretty well for us. Trading Napoli was a stupid move, but luckily the GM who made that trade got fired. The Pujols deal will likely pay for itself in the end, and he was back to his regular numbers after his terrible April and May. I understand that we'll have him for another nine years, but if we win even one World Series in that time the deal will have been worth it.

GA16Angels
11-02-2012, 10:24 PM
.

YEEEESSSSSS!!! Please be true!!!

Maybe Dipoto saw all the outrage on twitter and decided against it. Or maybe Marmol just didn't want to move.

GA16Angels
11-02-2012, 10:25 PM
Greinke was for half a season.

Talk to me come January.

LASportsFan1996
11-02-2012, 10:26 PM
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal
Source: Marmol would have OK'ed trade to #Angels, but #Cubs pulled deal off table and trade is not happening. Angels talking to other clubs.


Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal
I fully anticipate hearing multiple versions of what actually happened between #Cubs and #Angels.


Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
source now says haren-marmol deal is off now. #cubs #angels

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homestarunner93
11-02-2012, 10:27 PM
Trade is not happening now!? WTF!

Only 20% of trades the Cubs agree to actually become official. True story.

lol, please
11-02-2012, 10:27 PM
The GM's must be posters on PSD. Let's try guessing who is who.

sacgiants1213
11-02-2012, 10:27 PM
All that for nothing :sigh:

gaughan333
11-02-2012, 10:29 PM
Marmol said he'd waive it...supposedly cubs pulled offer

gocubs2118
11-02-2012, 10:29 PM
SMDH, I'm so ****ing tired of this crap.

natepro
11-02-2012, 10:55 PM
May've dodged a bullet there.

SpecialFNK
11-02-2012, 11:02 PM
the Cubs pulled this off the table.
:facepalm:
I don't know the money involved, so can't comment there. but a chance to get rid of an overpaid reliever who wasn't that good anymore with a wicked high BB/9, and they would rather hold onto that?!

StriveGreatness
11-02-2012, 11:13 PM
I hope the Tigers go after Haren if all the Angels want is a relief pitcher with high walk rates. We have a few guys that might interest them.

Cubsfan365
11-02-2012, 11:14 PM
Apparently no one is considering that Haren's health wasn't what the Cubs wanted to see.

Bo Sox Fan
11-02-2012, 11:15 PM
Yah that Theo's sure turnin that Cubbies franchise around fast!

Why swap a bad reliever for an innings eating/strike out starting pitcher? lol

natepro
11-02-2012, 11:19 PM
Apparently no one is considering that Haren's health wasn't what the Cubs wanted to see.

Did he get in some kind of accident in the last three hours? :confused:

Rndy
11-02-2012, 11:22 PM
Yah that Theo's sure turnin that Cubbies franchise around fast!

Why swap a bad reliever for an innings eating/strike out starting pitcher? lol

I agree what is taking Theo so long? So what the Cubs had nothing when he came here. We should already have an entire field filled with great young stars.

I'm 100% certain Theo stopped a straight up trade Marmol for healthy Haren. No way did they ask for too much or perhaps Haren medical reports didn't check out.

Cubsfan365
11-02-2012, 11:23 PM
Did he get in some kind of accident in the last three hours? :confused:
What? It's quite possible they didn't see medical records until late in negotiations.

Cheezombie
11-02-2012, 11:25 PM
Talk to me come January.

The trade was for half a year. What happens post free agency is irrelevant to the trade.

Cubsfan365
11-02-2012, 11:26 PM
Yah that Theo's sure turnin that Cubbies franchise around fast!

Why swap a bad reliever for an innings eating/strike out starting pitcher? lol
Can someone tell me why Red Sox fans are bitter towards Theo? The guy got you 2 World Series rings and was basically run out of town. That Cherington really did a stellar job in his first year!

Cheezombie
11-02-2012, 11:27 PM
The most recent old outfielder we signed was Torii Hunter five years ago and that worked out pretty well for us. Trading Napoli was a stupid move, but luckily the GM who made that trade got fired. The Pujols deal will likely pay for itself in the end, and he was back to his regular numbers after his terrible April and May. I understand that we'll have him for another nine years, but if we win even one World Series in that time the deal will have been worth it.

Abreu.

And yeah I realize they got a different GM, and I think his moves have been better overall, but still not very impressed.

I find it unlikely Pujols produces the worth of his contract. He only wOBA'd above .400 for 3 months this past year, where every year prior to 2011 he had a wOBA above .400. He's on the wrong side of 30, it's gonna look pretty ugly in the final years.

Rndy
11-02-2012, 11:29 PM
Can someone tell me why Red Sox fans are bitter towards Theo? The guy got you 2 World Series rings and was basically run out of town. That Cherington really did a stellar job in his first year!

Theo sure was amazing when they wanted a prospect return though.

ciaban
11-02-2012, 11:36 PM
Abreu.

I find it unlikely Pujols produces the worth of his contract. He only wOBA'd above .400 for 3 months this past year, where every year prior to 2011 he had a wOBA above .400. He's on the wrong side of 30, it's gonna look pretty ugly in the final years.

we only gave abreu a 2 year deal

and as long as the AL doesn't get rid of the DH, i don't pujols production would be to much of a problem.

natepro
11-02-2012, 11:42 PM
So what, 20 minutes left for something to happen?

Cheezombie
11-02-2012, 11:45 PM
we only gave abreu a 2 year deal

and as long as the AL doesn't get rid of the DH, i don't pujols production would be to much of a problem.

19 M for 2 years is a lot for Abreu. He didn't even play for them last year after they cut him early in the year.

That's a lot of money for a DH who's offensive production is likely to continue to decline.

natepro
11-02-2012, 11:48 PM
My mistake, I must've wandered into the Abreu thread. Can someone point me in the direction of the thread about Haren?

Cheezombie
11-02-2012, 11:50 PM
There were only 3 comments mentioning Abreu...

natepro
11-02-2012, 11:59 PM
Time's up.. right? :confused:

More-Than-Most
11-03-2012, 12:08 AM
Angels dodged a bullet and the cubs are stupid

StriveGreatness
11-03-2012, 12:13 AM
Haren is a FA now

Cheezombie
11-03-2012, 12:14 AM
Haha well that ended up being a pointless thread.

gocubs2118
11-03-2012, 12:15 AM
What a bizarre night.

vladdy#27
11-03-2012, 12:42 AM
Angels dodged a bullet and the cubs are stupid

I rather let Haren go for nothing rather than having to pay Marmol 9.8M

Super.
11-03-2012, 01:11 AM
that was interesting lol

gaughan333
11-03-2012, 01:14 AM
Angels dodged a bullet and the cubs are stupid

Very good post without knowing the details of the deal...

MetsFanatic19
11-03-2012, 01:15 AM
What a whole lot of time wasted on that, huh.

gaughan333
11-03-2012, 01:16 AM
Yah that Theo's sure turnin that Cubbies franchise around fast!

Why swap a bad reliever for an innings eating/strike out starting pitcher? lol

Haren only had 176 innings and 140ks

Rush
11-03-2012, 01:25 AM
Haren only had 176 innings and 140ks

...and before that, the past seven years pitched more than 215 IP each season and the past five has had at least 192 K's. Don't just look at this year.

Rush
11-03-2012, 01:29 AM
Very good post without knowing the details of the deal...

The Cubs almost acquired a solid starter while the Angels were going to get a shaky reliever making 9.8M next year in return. He sure got the first part right, not sure what he meant on the second though. The Angels are better off not getting Marmol.

85BearsDefense
11-03-2012, 01:30 AM
Great for the Cubbies. I want to see them contend for a title. They are definitely due.

Way over due.

gaughan333
11-03-2012, 01:52 AM
...and before that, the past seven years pitched more than 215 IP each season and the past five has had at least 192 K's. Don't just look at this year.

Maybe he's still hurt...thus they didn't want him? You don't think its at all odd that no other team in baseball traded for him either?

You know he had back issues and lost MPH on his fastball...right? Don't just assume a pitcher will go back to their previous level.

gaughan333
11-03-2012, 01:52 AM
The Cubs almost acquired a solid starter while the Angels were going to get a shaky reliever making 9.8M next year in return. He sure got the first part right, not sure what he meant on the second though. The Angels are better off not getting Marmol.

You have no idea what else was in that trade.

iggypop123
11-03-2012, 01:56 AM
what is it with the LA Gms being stupid

Rush
11-03-2012, 02:09 AM
Maybe he's still hurt...thus they didn't want him? You don't think its at all odd that no other team in baseball traded for him either?

You know he had back issues and lost MPH on his fastball...right? Don't just assume a pitcher will go back to their previous level.

What do the Cubs have to lose? Haren had one year left. If he was still injured you chalk it up as a loss. If he's healthy they can flip him for a nice package of prospects next season. And all they lose is Marmol. No big deal. Not much risk, high-reward situation for the Cubs.


You have no idea what else was in that trade.

People were saying the deal was already complete. Of course it wasn't, but if it was actually that close other names would've more than likely been leaked out by now.

gaughan333
11-03-2012, 02:15 AM
What do the Cubs have to lose? Haren had one year left. If he was still injured you chalk it up as a loss. If he's healthy they can flip him for a nice package of prospects next season. And all they lose is Marmol. No big deal. Not much risk, high-reward situation for the Cubs.



People were saying the deal was already complete. Of course it wasn't, but if it was actually that close other names would've more than likely been leaked out by now.

If he is still hurt then there is little chance of reward. I'm gonna trust the judgment of Theo and Jed over you. They aren't dumb

Maybe it was completed and LA asked for more? You have no idea what happened

kingjaymes23
11-03-2012, 02:15 AM
I think this is a great deal for the Angels. Trade away a guy you were not going to keep and actually get something in return. Good job Dipoto

Rush
11-03-2012, 02:16 AM
I think this is a great deal for the Angels. Trade away a guy you were not going to keep and actually get something in return. Good job Dipoto

The deal fell through. If it did happen Marmol isn't much of a return considering he hasn't been the most trustworthy reliever and his 9.8M salary.

1908_Cubs
11-03-2012, 06:36 AM
I highly doubt the Cubs had accepted the trade for Haren for Marmol, then, decided it was too good and backed out. The Cubs front office is too intelligent to do that. Something caused them to. They're not "stupid". There's a primary difference between backing out with just cause and just simply....backing out. Likely? Something came up. Perhaps medicals. Perhaps the Angels wanted money. Perhaps the Angels wanted another player. Who knows?

baseballguy247
11-03-2012, 12:25 PM
its canned now

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/11/2/3593610/dan-haren-trade-angels-cubs-carlos-marmol-off

Rush
11-03-2012, 12:31 PM
It was canned at 12AM EST because that was the deadline.

cubbiefan_est88
11-03-2012, 12:52 PM
Haren wasn't healthy and the angels asked for Brett Jackson last minute and Jed said deals off.

RTL
11-03-2012, 12:54 PM
Glad the Angels didn't make the deal. It didn't make sense for them in my opinion. I think they could have done better than Marmol. I was surprised the Pirates didn't dangle Hanrahan who would have been a better fit.

Rush
11-03-2012, 01:00 PM
Haren wasn't healthy and the angels asked for Brett Jackson last minute and Jed said deals off.

Where'd you see the Angels asked for Jackson?

Jeffy25
11-03-2012, 06:14 PM
Well this sucks for the Cubs that this didn't happen