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el hidalgo
11-02-2012, 06:12 AM
I've seen a lot of people discussing who the best player was on the 09-10 lakers championship team during the season and playoffs. Who do you think it was?

Iron24th
11-02-2012, 06:36 AM
Adam Morrison

Chavacano
11-02-2012, 06:47 AM
Didier Ilunga-Mbenga.

Niro
11-02-2012, 08:20 AM
lebron

Lakersfan2483
11-02-2012, 08:48 AM
Trolling at its finest...... DJ Mbenga

SteBO
11-02-2012, 08:56 AM
The discussion itself is silly. Kobe Bryant easily.

theheatles
11-02-2012, 08:57 AM
Nothing good can come from this

Andrew32
11-02-2012, 09:04 AM
Kobe Bryant easily.
Easily...? I don't think so.

Gasol led the Lakers in regular season PER and he led them in both regular season and playoff WSP48 / WShares.

Overall I thought he clearly had the more impressive playoff run between him and Kobe.
He was amazing that year.

Gasol was hitting his absolute Peak while Kobe had declined significantly from the year before (2009) and had imo clearly exited his Prime.

So yeah... I'll take Gasol since he had the better overall regular season and playoffs.

He was the MVP against OKC & Boston and was at worst Co-MVP of the Utah series.

He and Kobe were basically 1A / 1A that year in terms of value & contributions to the team there wasn't much separating them.

Gasol was showing lots of leadership on the court also and basically co-anchoring the offense with Kobe.
Defensively he was much better that year also.
His length and shotblocking ability helped protect the paint and stop penetrators from scoring.
Not to mention his consistent offensive rebounding was a key to the Lakers offense staying successful especially in the Finals.

Kobe is the big name star with the huge fanbase so its hard to say "Gasol" even if he really clearly was the teams most valuable player that year.

Regardless of who you side with its clear their value to the team in that specific year was basically equal.

Cal827
11-02-2012, 09:12 AM
DJ Mbenga

Gram
11-02-2012, 09:14 AM
Monta Ellis.

DanG
11-02-2012, 09:14 AM
So yeah... I'll take Gasol since he had the better overall regular season and playoffs.



So Gasol had to be a top 3 player that year.

Gram
11-02-2012, 09:15 AM
Gram.

Gram
11-02-2012, 09:16 AM
Cal827.

Andrew32
11-02-2012, 09:18 AM
So Gasol had to be a top 3 player that year.

Not sure about that (I don't want to just speak off my head on this) but on the year as a whole I most certainly had him ranked above Kobe.

You are assuming that everyone thinks Kobe was a Top 3 player that year.
(He wasn't)

Pretty sure he (Gasol) was in my Top 5 though and Kobe was probably right after him.

Im_in_Mia_bish
11-02-2012, 09:23 AM
well.. this is my two cents, it could be wrong but whatever im still gonna say it..

Kobe was the best player, however, other players stepped it up, Gasol most noticeably.
ron artest hit a few big shots, gasol of course did, kobe did, odom did and of course fisher.

imo it was collectively, but without a doubt kobe was the best player on that squad. opposing teams gameplan revolved around him.

thats why i feel gasol had better numbers.

I dont wanna sound like a gasol hater or a kobe slurper, thats just my view on it..

lakers4sho
11-02-2012, 09:23 AM
Easily...? I don't think so.

Gasol led the Lakers in regular season PER and he led them in both regular season and playoff WSP48 / WShares.

Overall I thought he clearly had the more impressive playoff run between him and Kobe.
He was amazing that year.

Gasol was hitting his absolute Peak while Kobe had declined significantly from the year before (2009) and had imo clearly exited his Prime.

So yeah... I'll take Gasol since he had the better overall regular season and playoffs.

He was the MVP against OKC & Boston and was at worst Co-MVP of the Utah series.

He and Kobe were basically 1A / 1A that year in terms of value & contributions to the team there wasn't much separating them.

Gasol was showing lots of leadership on the court also and basically co-anchoring the offense with Kobe.
Defensively he was much better that year also.
His length and shotblocking ability helped protect the paint and stop penetrators from scoring.
Not to mention his consistent offensive rebounding was a key to the Lakers offense staying successful especially in the Finals.

Kobe is the big name star with the huge fanbase so its hard to say "Gasol" even if he really clearly was the teams most valuable player that year.

Regardless of who you side with its clear their value to the team in that specific year was basically equal.

Kobe Bryant easily.

Im_in_Mia_bish
11-02-2012, 09:25 AM
Kobe Bryant easily.

not as easily as some of u think, but i think kobe was the best player but not easily

dh144498
11-02-2012, 09:55 AM
don't even see any discussion in this..... answer is so obvious.

nickdymez
11-02-2012, 10:06 AM
not as easily as some of u think, but i think kobe was the best player but not easily

Because us fans actually watch the games and not just look at the box score

SteBO
11-02-2012, 10:11 AM
not as easily as some of u think, but i think kobe was the best player but not easily
I'm sorry, but I saw too many Laker games that year where Pau was just a flat out puss on offense (I don't need to address his defensive ineptitude). Good for the Lakers that Pau showed up during the times where it was most needed ala the Finals and in spurts during the prior series'. But Kobe Bryant was consistent in what he was aiming to do on the court, and I think that needs to count for something, no? Sometimes the stats don't really reflect that.

SteBO
11-02-2012, 10:15 AM
I also saw many games where Pau was near non-existent, and it forced Kobe to have to take more shots than he would've liked, especially during the middle 3 games @Boston in the 2010 NBA Finals, where they lost 2 of 3. Kobe had to literally carry that team to even keep them in a couple of those games.

nickdymez
11-02-2012, 10:37 AM
I also saw many games where Pau was near non-existent, and it forced Kobe to have to take more shots than he would've liked, especially during the middle 3 games @Boston in the 2010 NBA Finals, where they lost 2 of 3. Kobe had to literally carry that team to even keep them in a couple of those games.

particularly game 5 when Kobe damn near shot 50% from the field and scored 38 and pau shot 30% and scored a whopping 12 and was getting punked the whole night. Wade called Kobes performance one of the greatest he's ever seen.

DanG
11-02-2012, 10:43 AM
Easily...? I don't think so.

Gasol led the Lakers in regular season PER and he led them in both regular season and playoff WSP48 / WShares.

Overall I thought he clearly had the more impressive playoff run between him and Kobe.
He was amazing that year.

Gasol was hitting his absolute Peak while Kobe had declined significantly from the year before (2009) and had imo clearly exited his Prime.

So yeah... I'll take Gasol since he had the better overall regular season and playoffs.

He was the MVP against OKC & Boston and was at worst Co-MVP of the Utah series.

He and Kobe were basically 1A / 1A that year in terms of value & contributions to the team there wasn't much separating them.

Gasol was showing lots of leadership on the court also and basically co-anchoring the offense with Kobe.
Defensively he was much better that year also.
His length and shotblocking ability helped protect the paint and stop penetrators from scoring.
Not to mention his consistent offensive rebounding was a key to the Lakers offense staying successful especially in the Finals.

Kobe is the big name star with the huge fanbase so its hard to say "Gasol" even if he really clearly was the teams most valuable player that year.

Regardless of who you side with its clear their value to the team in that specific year was basically equal.

PER doesn't mean **** if you are comparing a guard to a big man. In 09-10 Josh Smith had pretty much the same PER with guys like Kobe, Roy, Nash... who were all miles ahead of him player wise.
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How was Gasol the Co-MVP against Utah and Kobe wasn't the Co-MVP against Boston?

@ TD Garden Gasol averaged 15-9-2.5 2 turnovers with 44% shooting and 73% from the line

Kobe averaged 33-6-3.5 4 turnovers with 42% shooting, 92% from the line, 40% from three.


and @ Staples Gasol was a beast. 21-13-5 with 3 blk 1,8 TO. Shot 50% from the field and 71% from the line.

Kobe averaged 25-9-4 with 2 stl 4 TO. Shot 39% from the field and 86% from the line

So really, stop taking things away from Kobe.

vs OKC Gasol was the MVP
vs Utah Kobe was the MVP (Gasol was the Co-MVP)
vs Suns Kobe had one of the greatest series of all-time. He averaged 34-7-8 with 52% shooting from the field, 43% from three.
vs Celtics... I think both deserved it, I'll give Gasol the MVP and Kobe the Co-MVP.

JasonJohnHorn
11-02-2012, 10:45 AM
I think Gasol's performance was more important to winning that season than Kobe's.

Andrew32
11-02-2012, 10:53 AM
I also saw many games where Pau was near non-existent, and it forced Kobe to have to take more shots than he would've liked, especially during the middle 3 games @Boston in the 2010 NBA Finals, where they lost 2 of 3. Kobe had to literally carry that team to even keep them in a couple of those games.
That is kind of a vague statement and I dont think it is supported by the actual facts and on-court performances.

Gasol was excellent throughout the entire playoffs and he was very consistent.
Sure he had a couple of off nights throughout the entire run but so did Kobe.

He was banging in the post and dominating opposing defenses and creating for others.
Defensively he was very good. Probably the most impactful defender for LAL.

He carried LA against OKC.
He was dominant against Utah.

In the Finals he was better then Kobe overall over the 4 wins.

When looking at the losses its pretty even also.

Gasol was much better in 1/3 losses.
Kobe was much better in 1/3 losses.
They were about equal in the other loss.

So really... not saying its ridiculous to argue for Kobe being better but its very very close.
They were 1A/1A.

I Rock Shaqs
11-02-2012, 10:57 AM
I've seen a lot of people discussing who the best player was on the 09-10 lakers championship team during the season and playoffs. Who do you think it was?

Why and why were people discussing who the best player was from 3 years ago....

lakerboy
11-02-2012, 11:05 AM
Kobe

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-02-2012, 03:23 PM
Not sure about that (I don't want to just speak off my head on this) but on the year as a whole I most certainly had him ranked above Kobe.

You are assuming that everyone thinks Kobe was a Top 3 player that year.
(He wasn't)

Pretty sure he (Gasol) was in my Top 5 though and Kobe was probably right after him.

The more you post about Kobe the more you embarrass yourself

Hawkeye15
11-02-2012, 03:24 PM
Statistically, Gasol was more efficient, but Bryant had a bigger impact I believe.

LoveMeOrHateMe
11-02-2012, 03:24 PM
not as easily as some of u think, but i think kobe was the best player but not easily

No it was easily, you didn't watch every lakers game like we did so unclearly are basing this off stats which again isn't good Kobe easily was the best

Greedy22
11-02-2012, 03:39 PM
Statistically, Gasol was more efficient, but Bryant had a bigger impact I believe.

Bingo.

Im_in_Mia_bish
11-02-2012, 03:39 PM
No it was easily, you didn't watch every lakers game like we did so unclearly are basing this off stats which again isn't good Kobe easily was the best

eh we both agree that kobe was the best, so its all good.

tbone2171
11-02-2012, 03:57 PM
If ever a thread belonged in the Lakers forum.....

TheSource
11-02-2012, 03:58 PM
Why bring this up now, do you get off on seeing people arguing against Kobe?

mngopher35
11-02-2012, 04:08 PM
Kobe. In the playoffs it was actually pretty dang close as one of the other posters pointed out. You can make an argument for Gasol as FMVP, but thats about it. Overall that season kobe was the better player for the lakers and I dont really have a problem with him getting the FMVP flat out and not having it be co-mvp.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
11-02-2012, 04:11 PM
Kobe Bryant.

b@llhog24
11-02-2012, 04:12 PM
Pau

KB-Pau-DH2012
11-02-2012, 04:22 PM
The Machine, since he nailed those 2 FTs in game 7 to seal the deal.


or Congo Cash..




Or the Porn Stache.





Can't go wrong with either choice.



Sleeper pick: Josh Powell.

KB-Pau-DH2012
11-02-2012, 04:22 PM
Why bring this up now, do you get off on seeing people arguing against Kobe?

#elhidalgosystem

b@llhog24
11-02-2012, 04:37 PM
PER doesn't mean **** if you are comparing a guard to a big man. In 09-10 Josh Smith had pretty much the same PER with guys like Kobe, Roy, Nash... who were all miles ahead of him player wise.


Actually PER tends to favour a player like Kobe.

nickdymez
11-02-2012, 04:37 PM
I dont understand how i get banned for "Baiting", when this guy is the biggers troll on the forum and makes the most "bait" threads ever. I got banned for "baiting" and still have no clue exactly what I did. smh. But this guy and Naps have free reign to do and say whatever they want? Silly.

ThunderousDemon
11-02-2012, 04:43 PM
I dont understand how i get banned for "Baiting", when this guy is the biggers troll on the forum and makes the most "bait" threads ever. I got banned for "baiting" and still have no clue exactly what I did. smh. But this guy and Naps have free reign to do and say whatever they want? Silly.

They do 'special' favors for the mods. ;)

KB-Pau-DH2012
11-02-2012, 04:44 PM
I dont understand how i get banned for "Baiting", when this guy is the biggers troll on the forum and makes the most "bait" threads ever. I got banned for "baiting" and still have no clue exactly what I did. smh. But this guy and Naps have free reign to do and say whatever they want? Silly.

I think it's already set that trolls like the ones you just mentioned won't ever get banned. They have dirt on the mods.

Hellcrooner
11-02-2012, 04:51 PM
This thread is like trying to deffend the earth is not flat around 1450 in front of the supreme Inquisitor of Spain.

Money_23
11-02-2012, 05:07 PM
I dont understand how i get banned for "Baiting", when this guy is the biggers troll on the forum and makes the most "bait" threads ever. I got banned for "baiting" and still have no clue exactly what I did. smh. But this guy and Naps have free reign to do and say whatever they want? Silly.

really shows the make up of this forum.

DoMeFavors
11-02-2012, 05:15 PM
Ron Artest had a game winner against the suns, played great shut down d on pierce and hit that big 3 against Celtics in the 4th. Probably him

8kobe24
11-02-2012, 05:24 PM
The Machine!!!

b@llhog24
11-02-2012, 05:52 PM
Ron Artest had a game winner against the suns, played great shut down d on pierce and hit that big 3 against Celtics in the 4th. Probably him

No.

tapajafri
11-02-2012, 06:13 PM
Andray Blatche

tapajafri
11-02-2012, 06:15 PM
But in all seriousness, the Finals MVP should have gone to Gasol, especially after bryant's 6-24 shooting abomination in game 7 of the Finals.

Alayla
11-02-2012, 06:18 PM
Kobe wasnt just a top 3 player he was neck and neck for the best player with LBJ people really need to stop acting like kobe wasnt great just becuase a few baffons compared him to the likes of Jordan and magic .. he clearly wasnt that good but he was the 2nd best if not the best player the NBA had to offer that year

Bos_Sports4Life
11-02-2012, 10:33 PM
Kobe wasnt just a top 3 player he was neck and neck for the best player with LBJ people really need to stop acting like kobe wasnt great just becuase a few baffons compared him to the likes of Jordan and magic .. he clearly wasnt that good but he was the 2nd best if not the best player the NBA had to offer that year

this simply is not true, at all...

Lebron- 29.7 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 8.6 APG, .604 TS%

Durrant- 30.1 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 2.8 APG, .607 TS%

Wade- 26.6 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 6.6 APG, .562 TS%

Dirk- 25 PPG, 7.7 RPG, 2.7 APG, .578 TS%

Dwight- 18.3 PPG/13.2 RPG- Also had averaged 2.8 BPG and won DPOY

Kobe- 25 PPG, 5.0 RPG, 4.6 APG, .545 TS%


Kobe Arguably wasn't a top 5 player in 09-10

heyman321
11-02-2012, 10:34 PM
Ammo

MetroMan
11-02-2012, 10:35 PM
I've seen a lot of people discussing who the best player was on the 09-10 lakers championship team during the season and playoffs. Who do you think it was?

Another hating form by the gnome troll

AIRMAR72
11-02-2012, 10:37 PM
Pau gasol and ron artest(defense)

dh144498
11-03-2012, 01:14 AM
this simply is not true, at all...

Lebron- 29.7 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 8.6 APG, .604 TS%

Durrant- 30.1 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 2.8 APG, .607 TS%

Wade- 26.6 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 6.6 APG, .562 TS%

Dirk- 25 PPG, 7.7 RPG, 2.7 APG, .578 TS%

Dwight- 18.3 PPG/13.2 RPG- Also had averaged 2.8 BPG and won DPOY

Kobe- 25 PPG, 5.0 RPG, 4.6 APG, .545 TS%


Kobe Arguably wasn't a top 5 player in 09-10

didn't Kobe get 27 ppg 5.4 rpg 5.0 apg in 2010?
where are you getting these stats from?

JasonJohnHorn
11-03-2012, 01:32 AM
Well... the obvious answer is Kobe. But that said, I'll go with Gasol and Kobe being equals (I put a lot of value in rebounds), though Kobe was better in the finals.

raiderposting
11-03-2012, 02:04 AM
Andrew32 is a bigger troll than Domefavors.

Matter.
11-03-2012, 02:26 AM
Andrew32, Only looks at PER.

b@llhog24
11-03-2012, 02:33 AM
didn't Kobe get 27 ppg 5.4 rpg 5.0 apg in 2010?
where are you getting these stats from?

Per 36. Probably fudged it up.

nickdymez
11-03-2012, 11:34 AM
But in all seriousness, the Finals MVP should have gone to Gasol, especially after bryant's 6-24 shooting abomination in game 7 of the Finals.

So Pau's horrible games should be ignored? :facepalm:

Andrew32
11-03-2012, 11:45 AM
So Pau's horrible games should be ignored? :facepalm:

So Kobe's horrible games should be ignored?

Gasol was on average better in the games they won and like I showed earlier.

Gasol was way better then Kobe in 1 of the losses.
Kobe was way better then Gasol in 1 of the losses.
They were about equal (slight edge to Kobe) in the other loss.

So yeah... bad retort.
It isn't like Kobe was way better in the losses.
Even if you give him an edge its a tiny one.

LAKERMANIA
11-03-2012, 03:16 PM
So Kobe's horrible games should be ignored?

Gasol was on average better in the games they won and like I showed earlier.

Gasol was way better then Kobe in 1 of the losses.
Kobe was way better then Gasol in 1 of the losses.
They were about equal (slight edge to Kobe) in the other loss.

So yeah... bad retort.
It isn't like Kobe was way better in the losses.
Even if you give him an edge its a tiny one.

It's interesting how I never see you post anything positive about Kobe.

dh144498
11-03-2012, 11:23 PM
So Kobe's horrible games should be ignored?

Gasol was on average better in the games they won and like I showed earlier.

Gasol was way better then Kobe in 1 of the losses.
Kobe was way better then Gasol in 1 of the losses.
They were about equal (slight edge to Kobe) in the other loss.

So yeah... bad retort.
It isn't like Kobe was way better in the losses.
Even if you give him an edge its a tiny one.

so Kobe was better. Then why are you arguing?

49erGiantLaker
11-03-2012, 11:28 PM
Phil Jackson.

KB24PG16
11-03-2012, 11:40 PM
Luke Walton

Greedy22
11-03-2012, 11:40 PM
this simply is not true, at all...

Lebron- 29.7 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 8.6 APG, .604 TS%

Durrant- 30.1 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 2.8 APG, .607 TS%

Wade- 26.6 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 6.6 APG, .562 TS%

Dirk- 25 PPG, 7.7 RPG, 2.7 APG, .578 TS%

Dwight- 18.3 PPG/13.2 RPG- Also had averaged 2.8 BPG and won DPOY

Kobe- 25 PPG, 5.0 RPG, 4.6 APG, .545 TS%


Kobe Arguably wasn't a top 5 player in 09-10

Kobe-27 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 5.0 APG .545 TS%

KB24PG16
11-03-2012, 11:40 PM
or Sasha for hitting those clutch free throws

dh144498
11-03-2012, 11:42 PM
Kobe-27 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 5.0 APG .545 TS%

rofl.... biased post exposed.....

C-Style
11-04-2012, 12:49 AM
Kobe EAASSSILLLYYY!

kswissdaf
11-04-2012, 01:10 AM
Dwight Howard

Hardaway Here
11-04-2012, 01:20 AM
Luke gets no love

Hardaway Here
11-04-2012, 01:21 AM
No one supported the team better from just sitting on the bench better than Luke period he was a staple on that team a damn staple

tapajafri
11-06-2012, 07:04 PM
So Pau's horrible games should be ignored? :facepalm:

They were both consistently solid throughout the series. Even in the two games where Gasol didn't put up a lot of points, he had double digits in rebounds. Game 7 was especially huge since Perkins was out, Gasol did a good job controlling the glass.

Stats don't always tell the whole story. You can look at the stats and make a decision, but that doesn't always tell who was more of a positive contribution to the team. You can look at kobe's point totals and ignore the number of shots he took. There was one game where he took 29 shots and the next highest player was like 13 shots or something. So of course Kobe is going to have more point totals when he's taking all the shots. However, Gasol was the focal point of that offense, especially in that series. They ran everything through him and he was efficient and made smart decisions. He was steady and productive. He controlled the glass and his brilliant passing (when they ran everything through him) would set up open shooters like Artest, Fisher, Bryant, etc. Gasol was more VALUABLE to the team in that series than Bryant. Yeah, Bryant scored all the points because he took all the shots. Had bryant been more efficient, more team-orientated and consistent, (less shot attempts), I think lakers could have taken that series in 6, maybe 5.