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D12 fan
10-25-2012, 03:53 PM
Past or Present,if you could pair any duo in NBA history who would you pair?

I would choose Magic Johnson/Michael Jordan.The best pg in NBA history with the best player in NBA history.:speechless:

Ezio
10-25-2012, 03:55 PM
Lebron and Timmy/KG

asandhu23
10-25-2012, 03:56 PM
Wilt and Rick Barry.

Heediot
10-25-2012, 03:59 PM
Cp3 and Duncan. Wake Forrest pick n roll.

Go_NUGGETS
10-25-2012, 04:02 PM
Ahhhh what the hell, i'll just say it ....HAKEEM AND JORDAN!!! Could you imagine?

ewing
10-25-2012, 04:04 PM
Oliver Miller and Eddie Curry

Im_in_Mia_bish
10-25-2012, 04:05 PM
hakeem/jordan
hakeem/lebron
lebron/jordan
magic/jordan
magic/bron
magic/bird
hakeem/bird
bird/bron

lol we can go all day.

KB-Pau-DH2012
10-25-2012, 04:05 PM
NBA history, MJ and Shaq.



Currently in the league, Kobe and LeBron.

Heediot
10-25-2012, 04:05 PM
Oliver Miller and Eddie Curry

You think they beat Muggsy and Spud in a match?

JeffG20
10-25-2012, 04:10 PM
Magic and Lebron

ewing
10-25-2012, 04:12 PM
You think they beat Muggsy and Spud in a match?


That would be awesome. Those little guys would literally be going in between those fatties legs and ****.

Im_in_Mia_bish
10-25-2012, 04:15 PM
you guys are crazy. clearly its Brian Cardinal and Eddy Curry

Im_in_Mia_bish
10-25-2012, 04:16 PM
you honestly wouldnt be wrong by matching majority of the nba legends together. that shows you how good they were.

magic, jordan, kobe, hakeem, duncan, bron, wade, shaq, bird, etc

you just can't go wrong!

jerellh528
10-25-2012, 04:26 PM
^ wade? lol nice one trying to slip him in with those legends

Im_in_Mia_bish
10-25-2012, 04:34 PM
^ wade? lol nice one trying to slip him in with those legends

youre beyond hopeless. the whole world knows wade pre inury prime was beatsing.

typical, why am i not surprised its always the laker fans who get emotional over something like this? :rolleyes:

UPRock
10-25-2012, 04:34 PM
Amare and Carmelo, deadly defense all over the floor.

JordansBulls
10-25-2012, 04:36 PM
1. MJ and Hakeem
2. MJ and Russell
3. MJ and Duncan

Other than that

Here are a few.

Lebron/KG
Magic/Wilt
Kobe/Duncan
Wade/Duncan
Tmac/D.Rob

Im_in_Mia_bish
10-25-2012, 04:37 PM
Amare and Carmelo, deadly defense all over the floor.

are you high? clearly you forgot the pair of Nash and Bargnani as being the most deadliest pair on defense. they'd shut down jordan or any offensive threat.

D12 fan
10-25-2012, 04:39 PM
Magic and Lebron

That would be a awful fit,they both play the same style.

5ass
10-25-2012, 04:39 PM
Lebron and garnett would be nice.

chipper10
10-25-2012, 04:51 PM
Give me reggie miller and shaq. Domination on offense.

topdog
10-25-2012, 04:51 PM
Lebron and Durant. They are perfect compliments imo. Lebron's size and strength attacks the interior while KD lights it up from outside. They played very well together in the Olympics I might add.

Im_in_Mia_bish
10-25-2012, 04:53 PM
Lebron and Durant. They are perfect compliments imo. Lebron's size and strength attacks the interior while KD lights it up from outside. They played very well together in the Olympics I might add.

that was just beautiful to watch.

TheIlladelph16
10-25-2012, 04:56 PM
Any combination of Kobe/Lebron/Jordan/Magic, or one of them paired up with big men like Hakeem/Duncan

THE MTL
10-25-2012, 04:56 PM
Lebron James and Julius Erving

Magic Johnson and Larry Bird

Twins Fanatic
10-25-2012, 05:00 PM
LeBron and Jordan

D12 fan
10-25-2012, 05:05 PM
LeBron and Jordan

:drool:

NYYCowboys
10-25-2012, 05:07 PM
Not saying it would be the best, but definitely really fun to watch. Kidd and Hakeem.

pacofunk64
10-25-2012, 05:07 PM
Ahhhh what the hell, i'll just say it ....HAKEEM AND JORDAN!!! Could you imagine?

Exactly what I was thinking.

The_Jamal
10-25-2012, 05:12 PM
Duncan/Hakeem

Post defense all day

Vinylman
10-25-2012, 05:54 PM
if they played at peak

kobe/shaq
jordan/shaq

Iam Hayds
10-25-2012, 05:55 PM
Not saying he would do much better in the post season than the glove but Nash and Kemp would be awesome to see. Both in their primes of course.

CavsYanksDuke
10-25-2012, 06:00 PM
Pete Maravich and Shaq.

CavsYanksDuke
10-25-2012, 06:03 PM
Not saying he would do much better in the post season than the glove but Nash and Kemp would be awesome to see. Both in their primes of course.

I almost put Kemp and Shaq lol but yours would be sick.

LoveMeOrHateMe
10-25-2012, 06:26 PM
Pretty easy the best and most dominance duo ever! Kobe and Shaq!

freedas
10-25-2012, 06:31 PM
Jordan and hakeem

Super.
10-25-2012, 06:33 PM
youre beyond hopeless. the whole world knows wade pre inury prime was beatsing.

typical, why am i not surprised its always the laker fans who get emotional over something like this? :rolleyes:

Wade isn't an all time great...

Not yet at least, though his rep will be sullied by LeBron

KnicksorBust
10-25-2012, 06:40 PM
Stockton + Barkley to see if he could have got that Jazz team over the hump.

Alayla
10-25-2012, 06:43 PM
Iverson and KG

Baller1
10-25-2012, 06:49 PM
Lebron and Shaq.

jericho
10-25-2012, 06:53 PM
ima be different lol
Mutombo & Rodman lol

abe_froman
10-25-2012, 06:57 PM
Wade isn't an all time great...


how isnt he? :confused:

top 30 all time ws/48,top 10 all time in ppg and per,8x all star,2x champ,numerous all nba and all d team honors


as for the thread.mj and hakeem

Hawkize31
10-25-2012, 06:57 PM
Goof answer: Brian Scalabrine and Brian Cardinal

Real answer: Jordan and Lebron - I think they will finish as the 2 greatest players ever

Other goof answer: Shaq and Dwight - They would either never get scored on in the paint or would fight to start every game. Either way it would be fun to watch.

odiz
10-25-2012, 07:01 PM
MJ/Lebron with Olajuwon/Shaq/Duncan/KG/Kareem

Basically Lebron or MJ with a dominant big.

bbcmillionaire
10-25-2012, 07:03 PM
D Rose and iverson, try and stay in front of them,
D rose and Jordan
Pippen and Reggie miller
Carmelo and Oscar Robertson
Kevin Garnett and Larry bird
Penny hardaway and Charles Barkley
Penny and Jordan
Deron Williams and lebron
Kobe and luol deng

Chronz
10-25-2012, 07:14 PM
Tmac & Vince

bagwell368
10-25-2012, 09:07 PM
All time: Hakeem '92-'93 and KG '03-'04

Currently playing: LBJ '11-'12 and CP3 '08-'09

Whomever said Maravich - :facepalm:

Bruno
10-25-2012, 09:26 PM
Jordan/Hakeem just feels right. that would be devastating, and I'd like to think that Hakeem had his ego in check enough to allow it to work long term.

Raidaz4Life
10-25-2012, 09:27 PM
Stockton and Bird

Bruno
10-25-2012, 09:32 PM
Tmac & Vince

eyes, ears and numbers, i like that. balanced and wise.

Dade County
10-25-2012, 09:44 PM
NBA history, MJ and Shaq.



Currently in the league, Kobe and LeBron.


I was thinking Mj and Shaq too... Or Lbj and Shaq

But whatever... Mj and KD

Andrew32
10-25-2012, 09:46 PM
Shaq + Jordan.

The most Dominant Big + the most Dominant Wing.

They are also probably the two greatest playoff and final performers in the history of the game.
They are both highly efficient and unstoppable offensively.
They are both have Top Tier longevity and consistency.

I think they'd win 10-12 titles together.

JordansBulls
10-25-2012, 09:50 PM
Lebron and Shaq.

They were already together.:)

ArmLaker
10-25-2012, 09:50 PM
Kobe and Smush Parker

Bruno
10-25-2012, 09:51 PM
They were already together.:)

...lol. yeah.

Bruno
10-25-2012, 09:55 PM
Kobe and Smush Parker

i bet you that back-court could average 47 points per game in their primes..

honestly, i bet they could combine to score 94 points in a single game. i wouldn't put it past them.

NBAfan4life
10-25-2012, 09:56 PM
MJ/Shaq or Hakeem

I'm honestly leaning shaq. Could you imagine the dominance and efficiency?

Bruno
10-25-2012, 09:58 PM
MJ/Shaq or Hakeem

I'm honestly leaning shaq. Could you imagine the dominance and efficiency?

they would dominate. until one ran the other out of town.

a big part of this is putting together egos that are compatible.

NBAfan4life
10-25-2012, 10:01 PM
I know. Assuming they played there best at their peak and injury free that combo could challenge the 72 win record IMO. Your right though ego would probably not be cohesive.

LAKobeBryant
10-25-2012, 10:04 PM
White and black mamba

Bruno
10-25-2012, 10:19 PM
I know. Assuming they played there best at their peak and injury free that combo could challenge the 72 win record IMO. Your right though ego would probably not be cohesive.

but you're also right that if they both gave it their all and didn't clash for a year or two at their peak, that they could challenge the 72 mark (with an adequate supporting staff and coaching staff). hypothetical paring would also come after a large expansion of teams, before the influx of global talent.

Captain Moroni
10-25-2012, 10:22 PM
Scottie pippen micheal Jordan. Doesn't get any better than that. And I'm not a bulls fan.

JasonJohnHorn
10-25-2012, 10:58 PM
hakeem/jordan.


This is the first pairing i though of. It'd be pretty devastating.... I always wondered what it would be like to watch Jordna play with an All-Star big...

That said... I would like to get Stockton worked in there somehow...

PleaseBeNice
10-25-2012, 11:03 PM
LeBron/Hakeem

LoveMeOrHateMe
10-25-2012, 11:05 PM
Scottie pippen micheal Jordan. Doesn't get any better than that. And I'm not a bulls fan.

Kobe&Shaq>Jordan&Pippen

Jint.
10-25-2012, 11:05 PM
Jordan & Hakeem

KB-Pau-DH2012
10-25-2012, 11:20 PM
Shaq + Jordan.

The most Dominant Big + the most Dominant Wing.

They are also probably the two greatest playoff and final performers in the history of the game.
They are both highly efficient and unstoppable offensively.
They are both have Top Tier longevity and consistency.

I think they'd win 10-12 titles together.

Wow, I actually agree with you on this! :speechless:

Andrew32
10-25-2012, 11:21 PM
they would dominate. until one ran the other out of town.

a big part of this is putting together egos that are compatible.
Unfair to say that.
MJ is not Kobe and they have completely different personalties and motives for what they wanna accomplish.

Kobe and Shaq simply did not mesh personality wise.
They were like oil and water.

Shaq and Penny got along beautifully.
So did Shaq and Wade when they were playing together.
Perhaps not as relevant but Shaq / Lebron also got along fine.

Kobe has also gotten along fine with other stars.

Jordan would get his while keeping Shaq fully fed.

Even if they somehow didn't get along I think they would still be winning so much that it wouldn't matter.
Winning really helps smooth over difficulties like that.

Had Shaq/Kobe gotten a bit luckier and won in 03 or 04 who knows if they would have even split in 04.

JordansBulls
10-25-2012, 11:26 PM
Kobe&Shaq>Jordan&Pippen

Not really. Shaq/Kobe played together 8 seasons and won 3 titles. MJ/Pippen played together 10 season (9 full) and won 6 titles.

dee279
10-25-2012, 11:58 PM
Ahhhh what the hell, i'll just say it ....HAKEEM AND JORDAN!!! Could you imagine?

This!!! IMO the 2 best players to play the game.

tapajafri
10-26-2012, 12:08 AM
Lebron and Jason Williams aka White Chocolate.

Think about all the showtime plays that pair would put on the top 10 highlights every night :drool:

jerellh528
10-26-2012, 01:00 AM
kobe/shaq

yonkerschampX4
10-26-2012, 01:46 AM
lebron and ray allen .... opps

Zefflin
10-26-2012, 02:15 AM
^ wade? lol nice one trying to slip him in with those legends

hahah

oh and, kobe and bird, my two favorite

LAcowBOMBER
10-26-2012, 02:21 AM
Scalabrine/ Mike James

/thread

naps
10-26-2012, 02:29 AM
Jordan and Hakeem would match with each other better than any other combo. Deadly on both ends of the floor. There are plenty others after this one.

LaLa_Land
10-26-2012, 03:07 AM
I think a prime shaq + a prime jordan is the only answer here.

The two most dominant players in their era on both ends of the floor

DreamShaker
10-26-2012, 04:11 AM
Lebron/Magic
Shaq/Isiah
Bird/Hakeem
Wilt/MJ

Guppyfighter
10-26-2012, 04:42 AM
Allen Iverson and Monta Ellis.

Ty Fast
10-26-2012, 04:48 AM
i always wondered what shaq and duncan would have been like together

R. Johnson#3
10-26-2012, 05:58 AM
Karl Malone and Charles Oakley

Nobody else on that team would be touched because the opposition knows they'd get killed.

REKAL
10-26-2012, 09:14 AM
Mugsy Bogues
Manute Bol

SteBO
10-26-2012, 09:35 AM
LeBron/Prime Shaq
MJ/Prime Shaq

If I'm a GM, this is all I would strive for on a hpothetical level of course.

JordansBulls
10-26-2012, 10:00 AM
Lebron/Magic
Shaq/Isiah
Bird/Hakeem
Wilt/MJ

Honestly I do not like a MJ/Wilt combo. But that is just me. I would much rather have a MJ and David Robinson combo.

I Rock Shaqs
10-26-2012, 10:46 AM
Mugsy Bouges/ Spudd Webb

Im_in_Mia_bish
10-26-2012, 11:21 AM
Allen Iverson and Monta Ellis.

they already have a version of that in Milwaukee :laugh2:

Im_in_Mia_bish
10-26-2012, 11:22 AM
LeBron/Barkley would be interesting

dh144498
10-26-2012, 12:00 PM
Shaq and Shaq.

DreamShaker
10-26-2012, 04:06 PM
Honestly I do not like a MJ/Wilt combo. But that is just me. I would much rather have a MJ and David Robinson combo.

I think MJ would have brought out the best in Wilt. Especially mentally.

dh144498
10-26-2012, 04:10 PM
I think MJ would have brought out the best in Wilt. Especially mentally.

Wilt is a choker. No one can fix that.

DreamShaker
10-26-2012, 04:15 PM
Wilt is a choker. No one can fix that.

MJ isn't. Problem solved.

sportscrazy34
10-26-2012, 04:26 PM
Stockton and shaq

Chronz
10-26-2012, 04:30 PM
Wilt is a choker. No one can fix that.

BS. Wilt's teams greatly overachieved given their situations. How can you call it choking when you should have never gotten as far as they did. Unless by choking you mean had a few fallible moments, in which case history is filled with chokers. Which means no one can select guys like Magic, Bird, Kareem etc...

HowFit
10-26-2012, 04:34 PM
Jordan & Hakeem...

JordansBulls
10-26-2012, 04:39 PM
BS. Wilt's teams greatly overachieved given their situations.

How so?

Wilt's scoring from regular season to playoffs went down every single year of his career (sometimes by a lot) on lower efficiency (.547 to .523). Obviously facing better teams and facing Russell (who held Wilt to 5.7 ppg under his career average in their 147 meetings) had something to do with it, but Wilt failed to step up his game and it didn't help his teams in the playoffs.

In the regular season , Wilt was on some of the best teams in his era. Most seem to assume that Wilt just didn't have the supporting cast to contend with the greatest dynasty ever. This is not the case. His 1967 Sixers were named the best team ever in 1980, and he had that team's core (Wilt, Greer, Walker, Cunningham, Jackson) for 3 years straight, and also had the best SG in West and best SF in Baylor (up to that point) for a couple years after, forming a trio that Wilt himself said he thought could go down as the greatest team of all time. Talented rosters that won a lot in the regular season and had high expectations in the playoffs.

When the playoffs arrived, however, it was a different story. Wilt's failures:

1961: Wilt's 46-33 Warriors are swept by the 38-41 Nationals

1962: Wilt, at the height of his scoring prowess having averaged 50.4 ppg in the regular season, is held to a season-low 22 points in the 7th and deciding game by Bill Russell

1966: Wilt's 55-25 Sixers lose 4-1 to the 54-26 Celtics

1967: Wilt's single impressive playoff run, nearly averaging a triple double. The 68-13 Sixers soundly beat the Celtics 4-1, proving that this was a championship caliber core

1968: The same Sixers (with Wilt winning season MVP) go 62-20 and lose to the 54-28 Celtics in 7 games after being up 3-1. In Game 7 Wilt did not attempt a field goal in the 2nd half

1969: One of the most talented trios ever in Wilt, West, and Baylor go 55-25 and win the regular season series 4-2 against the 48-34 Celtics, proving again Wilt had the talent to beat them. The Lakers were heavily favored against the Celtics in the Finals. But again, Wilt laid another 7th game egg against the Celtics when he "hurt his leg" with 6 minutes to go and did not play the rest of the game

1970: Wilt's Lakers return to the Finals, this time against the Knicks. Reed missed game 6 due to injury and Wilt demolished the Knicks to send it to a 7th game. So what happened in Game 7? You guessed it: another stinker by Wilt's 21 points (1-11 from the line) against a hobbling, injured Reed and his backups.


And let's be real about something: In the 1970 Finals, the Lakers were up 20 points in Game 5 and Willis Reed was hurt and the Knicks still won that game. Game 6, Willis Reed missed that game and the Lakers won and in game 7 Willis Reed was still hurt and he came in to play in the game. He only scored like 4 points in it and thus that is why his stats were down. So don't give me this mess about how good Wilt was when he couldn't dominate a player that was injured.
Frazier took over Game 7 and that's why the Knicks won. Thus what was Wilt doing in Game 7 in the Finals? He couldn't even dominate a hubbled Willis Reed.


1973: Wilt's 60-22 Lakers lose 4-1 to the 57-25 Knicks


Wilt lost 5 series when his teams were the higher seed. He failed to step up in 4 Game 7s. By what standards was Wilt an excellent playoff performer if he couldn't lead his teams to victory when he had great opportunities to do so?

Wilt, despite all his individual brilliance in the regular season, was a chronic underachiever in the playoffs. To paraphrase Barry, Wilt was simply a loser.


Now tell me, how do you average 50 ppg for a season but in game 7 of the playoffs you score 22? How could anyone be considered the best when in the most important games they show up like that?

Also what about this what Bill Russell even noticed.

http://webuns.chez-alice.fr/finals/1969.htm

The Lakers were heavily favored to win the 1969 NBA Finals against the old, battered Celtics, but then Chamberlain became the victim of one of the most controversial coaching decisions in NBA history. In Game 7, Wilt hurt his leg with six minutes left to play, with the Lakers trailing by nine points. The Celtics won, 108-106. When Chamberlain had asked out of the game, the Lakers had been trailing by nine points, but then mounted a comeback to pull within one by the time he asked back in; this caused some to assume that Chamberlain had not really been injured, but instead had given up and "copped out" of the game when it looked as though the Lakers would lose. Because of this, some branded him a scapegoat and a quitter. Even Bill Russell ridiculed him, which almost caused Chamberlain to end their friendship..



http://www.barrystickets.com/lakers/lakers-players/wilt-chamberlain.php

In 1970, the acquisition of the sharpshooting guard Gail Goodrich helped with the Lakers' offensive firepower with the loss of Baylor. In the NBA Finals, the Lakers were matched up against the New York Knicks, one of the best defensive teams of the post-Russell-Celtics era. Both teams fought a hard, grueling series, but in Game 5, Chamberlain's opposing center Willis Reed suffered a serious thigh injury. The Knicks won that game, but they were demolished in Game 6 with Chamberlain's strong offense, and they looked doomed in Game 7 without their starting center. However, Reed limped onto the court, won the opening tip-off against Chamberlain, and scored the first four points, inspiring his team to one of the most famous playoff upsets of all time. Although Reed was able to play only a fraction of the game, and could hardly move when he did play, Chamberlain still scored only 21 points (his season average had been 27.3) on only 16 shots, quite few in a Game 7. Further, he shot an abysmal 1-of-11 from the foul line, making the game perhaps his greatest on-court failure.

1-11 from the foul in Game 7 of the NBA Finals

NYKnicks4511
10-26-2012, 04:58 PM
youre beyond hopeless. the whole world knows wade pre inury prime was beatsing.

typical, why am i not surprised its always the laker fans who get emotional over something like this? :rolleyes:

By no means is Wade a legend, but obviously he is a great player. Also don't play it off to injury, as he hasn't had a significant one. It's just natural, albeit slow, decline.

mightybosstone
10-26-2012, 05:27 PM
Lol at some of these answers. It clearly should be a big and a wing combo, so the Magic/MJ combo that the OP posted was a poor choice. IMO, it would be Hakeem and MJ. They are two of the most clutch players in NBA history and they were dominant defensively at their positions. I think you could make a case for MJ and Shaq or maybe Lebron and Hakeem/Shaq.

jayjay33
10-26-2012, 05:30 PM
MJ and shaq.....just to see how MJ would handing being the second option.

KnicksorBust
10-26-2012, 06:23 PM
i bet you that back-court could average 47 points per game in their primes..

honestly, i bet they could combine to score 94 points in a single game. i wouldn't put it past them.



MJ and shaq.....just to see how MJ would handing being the second option.

Both made me :laugh:

Chronz
10-26-2012, 06:49 PM
How so?
Wilt's scoring from regular season to playoffs went down every single year of his career (sometimes by a lot) on lower efficiency (.547 to .523). Obviously facing better teams and facing Russell (who held Wilt to 5.7 ppg under his career average in their 147 meetings) had something to do with it, but Wilt failed to step up his game and it didn't help his teams in the playoffs.
Which years would you like to be educated on?



In the regular season , Wilt was on some of the best teams in his era. Most seem to assume that Wilt just didn't have the supporting cast to contend with the greatest dynasty ever. This is not the case. His 1967 Sixers were named the best team ever in 1980, and he had that team's core (Wilt, Greer, Walker, Cunningham, Jackson) for 3 years straight,
This is a common mistake among casual fans, Wilt didn't actually get to play with that core during the playoffs as his frontcourt was taken out by injuries during their repeat season. His first year with Philly was actually only half a season and despite recovering from a potentially life threatening illness, was still able to take a squad that went .500 to 7 games against the far superior Boston team.



and also had the best SG in West and best SF in Baylor (up to that point) for a couple years after, forming a trio that Wilt himself said he thought could go down as the greatest team of all time.
A blatant lie. Wilt only got to play 1 full year with Elgin (their first year together) and it was under the dunce Butch, after that either Elgin or Wilt missed substantial amount of time (Wilt injured in 1970, Elgin being a noshow for 71 and 72 and Wilt winning a chip without him).
And if your blaming Wilt for heroically returning from a debilitating knee injury sooner than anyone could have imagined then your even more biased than I thought.



Talented rosters that won a lot in the regular season and had high expectations in the playoffs.

When the playoffs arrived, however, it was a different story. Wilt's failures:
LMFAO talented rosters? You mean the Warriors that posted the 2nd worst efficiency marks in the league before Wilt showed up? LMFAO you have been destroyed on this argument before, remember when you tried to jump in an argument revolving around Tom Gola and you didn't even realize how pathetic he played in the postseason? Why dont you learn from your mistakes? Your copy and paste arguments need to be updated bro.


1961: Wilt's 46-33 Warriors are swept by the 38-41 Nationals
The Nationals had the superior SRS, and Tom Gola and his 20% shooting was the choker you want to point at. Nice try tho.



1962: Wilt, at the height of his scoring prowess having averaged 50.4 ppg in the regular season, is held to a season-low 22 points in the 7th and deciding game by Bill Russell
LMFAO so Wilt pushes a team that has 6 HOF'ers to 7 games while hitting the shot that would have sent it to OT if not for Sam Jones game winner and hes a choker? You do realize this was the team that Russell and Cousy described as their best ever. So the best Celtic team ever vs a core that would miss the playoffs without Wilt, and you expected more? LMFAO can you show me a single series in which the underdog was a full 5-6PTS worse on the SRS scale and still won? Show me that series and I will show you a true choker on the other end.

And why no mention of offensive strategy? Have you read the book "The Rivalry"? Apparently not if your assuming Wilt was playing the same style he did throughout the regular season. Russell definitely limited Wilt in some games but Frank McGuire changed the offense because he felt it would give the TEAM the best chance to win against them. The press at the time was writing about a "new" Wilt, the Philadelphia Inquirer had the headline "Warriors' Wilt to Display New Style Against Celtics" before the series began. The team had mixed results, and Bill Russell outplayed him in several games, but the truth is this is one Wilt's greatest moments, to push a vastly superior team to the brink is almost as good as winning it all.



1966: Wilt's 55-25 Sixers lose 4-1 to the 54-26 Celtics
Nothing to say here, this was arguably one of Russell's greatest playoff runs. But lets not forget how badly his supporting cast played either.


1968: The same Sixers (with Wilt winning season MVP) go 62-20 and lose to the 54-28 Celtics in 7 games after being up 3-1. In Game 7 Wilt did not attempt a field goal in the 2nd half
The same? Not quite, the team was depleted by injury and Wilt didn't get any touches that game. Literally I think he got like 5 post touches. You can blame him for that if you wish but you cannot deny that the team was easier to defend with his frontcourt ravaged by injury thus he lost to a better team. That was the series Russell took himself off of Wilt, Philly couldn't counter their defensive adjustment of putting Russ on Chet.


1969: One of the most talented trios ever in Wilt, West, and Baylor go 55-25 and win the regular season series 4-2 against the 48-34 Celtics, proving again Wilt had the talent to beat them.
Nope, it proved that the Celtics were too old to go full bore in the regular season. The Celtics still had the superior SRS and better team overall. Elgin was just a name, he was far from the Elgin youre probably thinking of.


The Lakers were heavily favored against the Celtics in the Finals. But again, Wilt laid another 7th game egg against the Celtics when he "hurt his leg" with 6 minutes to go and did not play the rest of the game
Actually Wilt wanted to play but his coach had a vendetta against him, its why he was fired and the first thing they did was scrap his offense that prioritized the aging Elgin. You can blame the coach for this one, Wilt was simply doing what he was told and following a futile gameplan.


1970: Wilt's Lakers return to the Finals, this time against the Knicks. Reed missed game 6 due to injury and Wilt demolished the Knicks to send it to a 7th game. So what happened in Game 7? You guessed it: another stinker by Wilt's 21 points (1-11 from the line) against a hobbling, injured Reed and his backups.
I love how you conveniently ignore that Wilt heroically returned to play in the playoffs from a serious injury that was suppose to keep him out for the year.



1973: Wilt's 60-22 Lakers lose 4-1 to the 57-25 Knicks
Not very familiar with Wilts final season, cant remember what I read and Ive only seen one game from the series so I wont touch on it. But with your history Im fairly sure you dont know jack **** about that series either. Losing to the Knicks in your final season doesn't strike me as a condemning moment in your career.


Wilt lost 5 series when his teams were the higher seed. He failed to step up in 4 Game 7s. By what standards was Wilt an excellent playoff performer if he couldn't lead his teams to victory when he had great opportunities to do so?
By the more accurate barometer of SRS he didn't have the better team and like I said before, when your pushing far superior teams to 7 games, you cannot be label the guy most responsible as a choker when the team should have never gotten as far as he did.


Wilt, despite all his individual brilliance in the regular season, was a chronic underachiever in the playoffs. To paraphrase Barry, Wilt was simply a loser.
Based on what tho?


Now tell me, how do you average 50 ppg for a season but in game 7 of the playoffs you score 22? How could anyone be considered the best when in the most important games they show up like that?
Because smart people dont blindly look at the stat sheet.


Also what about this what Bill Russell even noticed.
Pretty sure he apologized for that and many wondered if he said that knowing he wouldnt have to deal with Wilt again.




1-11 from the foul in Game 7 of the NBA Finals
He also went like 7-8 from the field while his teammates shot 33% or something. What about the entire series? What about the year he played with 2 badly hurt hands and finished NY off in heroic fashion?


Again, if Wilt is a choker then you cant mention Magic, Bird, Kareem either.

Chronz
10-26-2012, 07:27 PM
Its easy to label someone a choker when you ignore all their contributions and possess no semblance of consistency.

I just noticed you put Wilt hurting his legs in quotation marks. Your insinuating he faked it? Are you really that desperate?

Andrew32
10-26-2012, 08:08 PM
Chronz.

I agree with you in some ways and disagree with you in some others.

I do think Wilt overachieved on some teams he was on.

However there are many other teams he was on that I felt MASSIVELY underachieved considering the impact Wilt was supposed to have and the rosters he had.

Also I find it hard to ignore how bad his shooting %'s were in many of his playoff appearances when he was his teams main offensive anchor and also how bad his passing was during many of those years.

I am not a huge fan of inefficient volume scorers especially ones that don't pass well.
Perhaps young Wilt could be compared to say 01 Iverson except with an even greater degree of ball dominance and even less emphasis on passing/sharing the ball.

Obviously this is not a perfect comparison... not even close but you get what I am trying to portray here.
Also Wilt was efficient in some years even when he volume scored and that needs to be mentioned.
Not many, but some.

I really question just how good he was offensively.
I think he was 4th least skilled offensive C when looking at the Top 5 GOAT C's.
Only Russell would be behind him.

I think perhaps his actual value and impact was suppressed due to him playing a role he didn't excel at.
Wilt wasn't that good of a volume scorer.

His proper role was more similar to Dwights imo.
A lesser volume scorer only taking high efficiency shots while focusing on defense.

Lakers + Giants
10-26-2012, 08:10 PM
Kobe and Duncan.

Auseranami
10-26-2012, 08:49 PM
Russell and bird or Russell and kg. can't go wrong with either

Chronz
10-26-2012, 09:15 PM
Chronz.

I agree with you in some ways and disagree with you in some others.

I do think Wilt overachieved on some teams he was on.

However there are many other teams he was on that I felt MASSIVELY underachieved considering the impact Wilt was supposed to have and the rosters he had.

Also I find it hard to ignore how bad his shooting %'s were in many of his playoff appearances when he was his teams main offensive anchor and also how bad his passing was during many of those years.
I really dont know what your talking about, nondescript responses tend to be too vague to really argue against. Yes he did have some poor efficiency seasons, in his youth when his body had not yet filled out and he couldn't simply shake off all the hits and beatings he was taking. It got so bad he retired after his rookie year and he refused to fight back. But Im pretty sure he was usually well above league average in efficiency for the most part.


I am not a huge fan of inefficient volume scorers especially ones that don't pass well.
Perhaps young Wilt could be compared to say 01 Iverson except with an even greater degree of ball dominance and even less emphasis on passing/sharing the ball.
Obviously this is not a perfect comparison... not even close but you get what I am trying to portray here.
Good comparison, except that Wilt was given specific instruction to hog the ball whereas Philly had trouble identifying players that could thrive offensively next to AI so they surrounded him with defenders. Theres also the fact that Wilt's possession usage led to a 180 reversal for his teams offense, so while it may not have been his optimal role at that moment, it did benefit the team. But I digress, some of Wilts scoring seasons are overrated (and some of his defensive years are overrated) as you allude to but they comprise such a small portion of his career that I dont see why you would sully his impact for it.



Also Wilt was efficient in some years even when he volume scored and that needs to be mentioned.
Not many, but some.
Thats because Wilt was versatile in his approach and what coaches asked of him. In his prime he could fill any role his coach asked of him, he just didn't have the right coaching at different points in his career.


I really question just how good he was offensively.
I think he was 4th least skilled offensive C when looking at the Top 5 GOAT C's.
Only Russell would be behind him.
So much subjectivity here, firstly I dont know who you consider to be the top 5 but Im assuming you have Shaq, KAJ, Wilt, Hakeem and Russ. Russ is obviously out but the rest are all debatable. Hakeem was pretty raw and not overly efficient in his youth, he didn't fully embrace the team/passing game until age 30 and was never as good as Wilt in that area. For a less athletic and imposing figure thats a pretty big deal.

KAJ and Shaq are the only guys I can buy being superior offensively.


I think perhaps his actual value and impact was suppressed due to him playing a role he didn't excel at.
Wilt wasn't that good of a volume scorer.

His proper role was more similar to Dwights imo.
A lesser volume scorer only taking high efficiency shots while focusing on defense.

Depends on which Wilt your talking about. Definitely not talking about Prime Wilt.

lol, please
10-26-2012, 09:29 PM
Past or Present,if you could pair any duo in NBA history who would you pair?

I would choose Magic Johnson/Michael Jordan.The best pg in NBA history with the best player in NBA history.:speechless:

Jordan and Shaq.
/thread.