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Slow Head Butt
10-24-2012, 02:22 PM
Im sick of people talking crap about blake griffin, saying "all he does is dunk", its simply the most idiotic arument ive ever heard, how does a player that only dunks have a career average of :

21 ppg 11 rpg 3.5 apg .8 spg

how? explain how a player that can only dunk can average 21 points in the NBA for his career? if this was possible, Deandre Jordan and Javale Mcgee would average the same stats right?

Thats more asssits than CARMELO ANTHONY has averaged in his entire career

and dont you people consider Carmelo to be a "superstar" (magically so, as he has never had a team finish higher than 6th in any conference and has only passed the first round ONCE)

Blake Griffin is destined to be the GOAT

do you know the last power forward who averaged 20 and 10 as a rookie was? TIM DUNCAN

it hasnt been done since Blake entered the league. this guy hasnt even peaked yet, do you people realize this will be his 3RD NBA SEASON?

my goodness

if his name was Lebron im sure you guys would be riding him right now, but because hes featured on sports center because of his amazing physical ability, he can only dunk

NICE LOGIC

He makes baskets that other players at his position cannot physically do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZB15o7E0o4

tell me he can only dunk

you know how long it took kevin love to average near 20 and 10? till his 3rd season

blake accomplished this feat in his ROOKIE SEASON

you know how long it took dirk to average 20/10? i dont either becuase he never did it

hands down, this guy is the best powerforward to ENTER this league since Tim Duncan, without question

and i bet you clowns will soon say "blake is just a product of chris paul"

all chris paul has done is impede griffin from realizing his true offensive potential as a facilitator , griffin's usage percentage, minutes, and assists dropped last season due to cp3's impact

but his fg% also rose

but he still managed to average 20/10 + for his second consecutive year

you know how long it took dwight howard to average 20/10+? 4 seasons

Blake did it his ROOKIE YEAR

and you dare call blake overated? you dare say he has no post moves an can only dunk? hahahahahahha

imagine if blake was blessed with a great center to play with like how TD had when he entered the league, i bet hed have a ring by now already

while blake may not be the best pf in the league, he is undoubtedly a top 3 pf(behind love and dirk) and a top 10-12 player

this guy is the ultimate offensive player and he hasnt even come close to reaching his potential. i could make the argument, that he could have been a 23/12/5 type player by now had the clippers not acquired cp3 and ran the offense through him

this guy is the epitome of greatness and should be praised just as much as KD and DR have been praised

you guys give so much praise to a clown like james harden who averages what? 16 points? and plays with 2 superstar calibur players who create space and open shots for him, but when blake griffin plays with cp3, and a bag of chips, blake sucks and is overated right?

oh and a player that averages 16ppg for 1 season is worth max money and would instantly make someone a contender if acquired?:facepalm:

how amazing

in a league where you have clowns like joakim noah who makes 12 million and couldnt even average a double double last year, makes 12 million next season is called a "great front court player" and brook lopez is a "top 5 center". Blake griffin is overated and can only dunk

:facepalm:

Im_in_Mia_bish
10-24-2012, 02:23 PM
k, btw i didnt read all that.

theLgndKllr35
10-24-2012, 02:26 PM
You know you just hit 'shift' and the letter to capitalize right?

Randy West
10-24-2012, 02:28 PM
Karl Malone does not agree with this!

Deception
10-24-2012, 02:28 PM
Blake Griffin can only dunk.

Gene2420
10-24-2012, 02:30 PM
Yeah, he's pretty good.

JordansBulls
10-24-2012, 02:30 PM
Are you talking as a rookie?

0nekhmer
10-24-2012, 02:31 PM
Blake Griffin can only dunk.

SteBO
10-24-2012, 02:31 PM
All Blake Griffin can do is dunk.

P Harvy
10-24-2012, 02:32 PM
I didn't read the thread because I didn't want to but I can tell you right now he is one of the most athletically gifted players we have ever seen..

However, he lacks the finesse in his game that would put him over the top. You have to remember that Kevin Love puts up better numbers and probably has a 5 inch vertical lol. I could only imagine if Love could jump like Blake.

Testaverde16
10-24-2012, 02:32 PM
did blake average 20/10 in his rookie year?

thrice4
10-24-2012, 02:34 PM
Meh I've seen better

abe_froman
10-24-2012, 02:35 PM
dwight howard,amare and a host of others beg to differ,you can put up those numbers by solely dunking

Nomar
10-24-2012, 02:37 PM
1) Blake Griffin isnt even the greatest in the league right now.

2) His athleticism won't last forever. Talk to me when he's 31 and realizes he isnt dunking over most bigs anymore.

yaswaggin
10-24-2012, 02:37 PM
dwight howard,amare and a host of others beg to differ,you can put up those numbers by solely dunking

:laugh: amare is a great mid range shooter and has a lot of post moves, but he isn't a 20-10 player anymore anyways

Hawkeye15
10-24-2012, 02:38 PM
Griffin had a amazing rookie campaign, but didn't do much to improve by year 2. Tim Duncan also had a great rookie year, and was a better player in both year 1, and 2.

Hawkeye15
10-24-2012, 02:39 PM
I will say, I do worry about Griffin's relentless attacking of the rim. He gets up so high, I can just see him getting undercut and hurt badly. I hope to god I am wrong, but that style leads to some freak injuries.

NYKnickFanatic
10-24-2012, 02:39 PM
k, btw i didnt read all that.

:laugh2:

abe_froman
10-24-2012, 02:41 PM
:laugh: amare is a great mid range shooter and has a lot of post moves, but he isn't a 20-10 player anymore anyways

i'm talking about historically,go back in time when he was first putting up those numbers

Hawkize31
10-24-2012, 02:41 PM
Blake Griffin can only dunk. But also, he can only flop.

NYKnickFanatic
10-24-2012, 02:42 PM
I will say, I do worry about Griffin's relentless attacking of the rim. He gets up so high, I can just see him getting undercut and hurt badly. I hope to god I am wrong, but that style leads to some freak injuries.

Griffin or Love?

Monta is beast
10-24-2012, 02:43 PM
1) No post moves (Can't go to him late in games)
2) Bad free throw shooter (Really can't go to him late in games)
3) Average defense at best
4) Playing with the best Point Guard in the world does help a little

BudGrant
10-24-2012, 02:46 PM
I'm sure he can lay-up too!

sep11ie
10-24-2012, 02:46 PM
Yeah, he's pretty good.

At dunking.

Chill_Will_24
10-24-2012, 02:47 PM
Griffin is good but his flopping and whining has turned people sour on him. He literally just throws his body into people, flops, and hopes for a call.

He is very athletically gifted and i hope he can work on his game and shows us another level in his game.

kduce
10-24-2012, 02:48 PM
Even if it was true that all Blake could do was dunk I would simply say... SO WHAT?!
If those dunks are averaging him 20 ppg and they are working more power to him.
If all Blake does is dunk then how come he isnt being stopped when all of the other teams would obviously know what his game plan is? He is doing something right and I give him a lot of credit.

I hope that once Greg Monroe moves over to PF this year where he is supposed to be that he will be giving Blake and K Love a run for their money... but there is way too much hate on a guy who is obviously talented.

I can sort of under stand the annoyance tho, since the league is trying to push him as some unstoppable force. (in that dunk contest he jumped over the car hood and they acted like he jumped over the luggage rack on a damn SUV)

No matter what, people are going to hate when someone has attention on them and that's kind of a shame. I hated Lebron for a long time, but being a basketball fan Im a lot less heated and judgmental now-a-days. I just want to see these guys play the game and enjoy it for what it is.

NYKnickFanatic
10-24-2012, 02:50 PM
1) No post moves (Can't go to him late in games)
2) Bad free throw shooter (Really can't go to him late in games)
3) Average defense at best
4) Playing with the best Point Guard in the world does help a little

To be fair, he didn't have him his rookie year.

JNoel
10-24-2012, 02:50 PM
Love is better.

HowFit
10-24-2012, 02:51 PM
Blake Griffin can only dunk. But also, he can only flop.

That's for sure! :clap:

pebloemer
10-24-2012, 02:57 PM
What a meandering rant. I can't believe I read the whole thing.

If you are going to put the time into putting together a long opening post defending a player against the traditional arguments against him, things like grammar, structure and rational (instead of emotional) counter arguments are welcomed by the masses.

topdog
10-24-2012, 02:59 PM
If you want to rant, make a blog. If you want to be taken seriously, be concise. Nobody is wasting their time reading that.

Sadds The Gr8
10-24-2012, 03:02 PM
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/162/634/Abandon-thread1.gif

Hawkeye15
10-24-2012, 03:02 PM
Griffin or Love?

did you miss the part where I said I worry about him because he jumps so high haha?

PurpleJesus
10-24-2012, 03:03 PM
Blake griffin was so overrated at one point, that he is now extremely underrated

shen
10-24-2012, 03:06 PM
Blake griffin was so overrated at one point, that he is now extremely underrated

Nope, still extremely over rated.

Swashcuff
10-24-2012, 03:07 PM
Like it or not cocaine is a helluva drug

J4KOP99
10-24-2012, 03:13 PM
he can only dunk

Gram
10-24-2012, 03:17 PM
It's posts like this and all of Clipperfans86 posts that make people hate Blake Griffin.

Oh, and i'd take Duncan's rookie year over Flake Griffin's anyday.

Lake_Show2416
10-24-2012, 03:18 PM
It's CP3 ppl

ManningToTyree
10-24-2012, 03:21 PM
He can only dunk

Mr. LA
10-24-2012, 03:21 PM
Why is anyone even commenting on this? why is this still open? If I made a thread like this it would be closed INSTANTLY! and lastly the op is crazy lol

Mr. LA
10-24-2012, 03:24 PM
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/162/634/Abandon-thread1.gif

LMFAO.... funniest thing I've ever seen :clap:

envymamba24
10-24-2012, 03:30 PM
This is stupid. He can only dunk.

KrunchyGoodness
10-24-2012, 03:37 PM
Rebounds and FT% down from last year. Who knows? He may get worse.

twin4life
10-24-2012, 03:41 PM
Griffen is overrated. Kevin Love has a chance to be G.O.A.T. but he still might not beat out some of the greats. Therefore Blake Griffen is overrated.. He can jump outta any arena but he lacks what Kevin Love does each night. Scoring, clutch gene, leadership. Yes Griffen does rebound but not like Kevin Love. Although Im interested to see how Love's stats come out now that he actually has Pek and AK47 to rebound and BRoy to take some of the scoring pressure. I think this comes down to leadership and Kevin has the edge. After this year I'd put them very close together although I'd still edge Love. Clippers have had a better team in recent years and didnt rely on Griffen now that the Wolves dont have to rely on him as much I think their hype just got closer. All in all both great players.

hugepatsfan
10-24-2012, 03:50 PM
Can Blake Griffin dunk?

greg_ory_2005
10-24-2012, 03:51 PM
Tl;dr

lvblay3
10-24-2012, 03:53 PM
It not even close. Griffen from my home state isn't the best big on his team, so to say he the best now is crazy and the best ever is simply mine blowing.. Remember Shawn Kemp. how good was he after farther time caught up to him.

Mr.SmackYoMama
10-24-2012, 03:54 PM
I would like to go on record as saying he is GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..............At Dunking!

MrfadeawayJB
10-24-2012, 03:55 PM
cool story bro

Hitman21
10-24-2012, 03:57 PM
blake giffin hit his peak in his rookie season bro...he can only dunk

dtmagnet
10-24-2012, 04:02 PM
All Blake Griffin can do is dunk, and even at that they had to rig the dunk contest for him.

smith&wesson
10-24-2012, 04:02 PM
all blake can do is dunk,

yet he didnt impress at all in the dunk contest. go figure.

Mr.SmackYoMama
10-24-2012, 04:03 PM
^^^^^^ ......This

gaughan333
10-24-2012, 04:05 PM
When his knees start to go he will be a bench player. He sucks and all he can do is dunk. If he wasn't babied by the NBA he'd have less FTA and more fouls called against him.

AWC713
10-24-2012, 04:13 PM
why would dunking lead to stats like rebounds and blocks

Chronz
10-24-2012, 04:14 PM
LOL thanks alot OP

Twins Fanatic
10-24-2012, 04:17 PM
Wow I think I heard a Blake Griffin and Tim Duncan comparison. All I do is dunk.

ZHawk1123
10-24-2012, 04:20 PM
We all should have stopped reading at "Like it or not..."

Nycbball08
10-24-2012, 04:21 PM
I would much rather have Tim Duncan in his prime...

ClearSoulForce
10-24-2012, 04:24 PM
Can't hit any jump shot outside of 3 feet. Team becomes relevant once a top 5 player (Paul) is traded there.

CityofTreez
10-24-2012, 04:24 PM
Donald Sterling agrees.....

bholly
10-24-2012, 05:04 PM
and dont you people consider Carmelo to be a "superstar" (magically so, as he has never had a team finish higher than 6th in any conference and has only passed the first round ONCE)

Melo's Nuggets finished 3rd in the West in 2005-06, 2nd in 2008-09, and 4th in 2009-10.

Your argument might work better if you didn't prove right from the outset that you either don't have a working knowledge of even recent basketball history, or you just want to lie and exaggerate to try and make a point.

Anyway, yes there's a chance Blake could end up being the greatest PF to enter the league since Duncan. No, two seasons isn't enough to put him above Dirk, Pau, or Amar'e, Bosh. He isn't even the best right now, sitting behind Love and probably Dirk.

Yes, he's a very good player, and yes he has the chance to be something special - but anointing him the greatest since Timmy is way premature.

bholly
10-24-2012, 05:07 PM
Why is anyone even commenting on this? why is this still open? If I made a thread like this it would be closed INSTANTLY! and lastly the op is crazy lol

You made like 30 threads like this and from what I saw most of them stayed open, they just died because they sucked.

mdm692
10-24-2012, 05:09 PM
Melo's Nuggets finished 3rd in the West in 2005-06, 2nd in 2008-09, and 4th in 2009-10.

Your argument might work better if you didn't prove right from the outset that you either don't have a working knowledge of even recent basketball history, or you just want to lie and exaggerate to try and make a point.

Anyway, yes there's a chance Blake could end up being the greatest PF to enter the league since Duncan. No, two seasons isn't enough to put him above Dirk, Pau, or Amar'e, Bosh. He isn't even the best right now, sitting behind Love and probably Dirk.

Yes, he's a very good player, and yes he has the chance to be something special - but anointing him the greatest since Timmy is way premature.
He will be bumped down and forgotten once players like Thomas Robinson develop.

Swashcuff
10-24-2012, 05:16 PM
He will be bumped down and forgotten once players like Thomas Robinson develop.

Are you serious about that? What about when Blake develops?

Im_in_Mia_bish
10-24-2012, 05:22 PM
You made like 30 threads like this and from what I saw most of them stayed open, they just died because they sucked.

Zing!

Chill_Will_24
10-24-2012, 05:31 PM
I would much rather have Tim Duncan in his prime...

Few players in the history of the game i would rather have than Tim Duncan in his prime. Not just because of his amazing basketball talents but because he is a leader and a great person.

TheBigORobinson
10-24-2012, 05:43 PM
If we're talking at power forward in their prime? Duncan, Barkley, Malone, McHale, Dirk, Amare, Gasol - all could shoot and drive and hit a free throw and had post up moves and didn't whine like Blake. I'd even take Love and Aldridge today over Griffin in the "young guys" group.

Clippersfan86
10-24-2012, 05:43 PM
People saying all he does is dunk... watch these. No post moves? Remember Griffin gets doubled more than anybody in the league and gets hacked a ton. If all he could do is dunk teams wouldn't be game planning for him like that. How do you score 47 on one dunk and be labeled just a dunker?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIUUDWRxl0w&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRNf1MOmSOE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV2-gwMfu7Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_b6Hrz1Wuk&feature=related


Just watch these 4 and if you don't have a change of opinion you're probably developmentally challenged or disabled. Doesn't factor in that he's a fantastic passer and rebounder and has become a passable, improving defender. Griffin isn't the "GOAT" or anything like this guy is saying but it's a shock to me that NOBODY on this forum has him as a top 2 PF and so many have him in the 5-10 range. He was the starting PF for the all star game and got voted 2nd team all NBA. Those things don't happen for players only 5-10th best at their position.

Blitzbolt
10-24-2012, 05:46 PM
He average about 3 points a game vs us in the playoffs.So I lol at the word greatest.

Getting UGGLA
10-24-2012, 05:47 PM
All I know is Blake Griffin used to be Scott Farkus. And he's still bullying people on the court. http://media.photobucket.com/image/blake%20griffin%20scott%20farkus/nestminder/boimanfarkus.jpg

mlisica19
10-24-2012, 05:48 PM
Kevin Garnett? Best PF to enter the league... I like Pau Gasol over Griffen

Clippersfan86
10-24-2012, 05:49 PM
He average about 3 points a game vs us in the playoffs.So I lol at the word greatest.

First playoff series of his career and he actually averaged 17 or 18 ppg. He got matched up with one of the most physical and deepest frontcourts in the NBA and was banged up for half the series. You forget this game where he shredded your team in that series?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_b6Hrz1Wuk&feature=related

Clippersfan86
10-24-2012, 05:51 PM
Kevin Garnett? Best PF to enter the league... I like Pau Gasol over Griffen

KG entered the league in 96... before Duncan. Potential wise though Griffin absolutely does have top 5 PF all time type potential if he improves and works his *** off and can keep injuries down. People act like 21.5 ppg, 11.5 rpg and 3.5 apg in your first two seasons as a PF is subpar now :laugh2::laugh2:

Blitzbolt
10-24-2012, 05:53 PM
That's a lie he average under 10 points in that series.

mdm692
10-24-2012, 05:53 PM
Are you serious about that? What about when Blake develops?

Yes I'm serious. As stated before bad defender, is not a go to scorer, can't shoot free throws and flops excessively. His rebounding is based on out-jumping you, unlike K-Love who is all about positioning himself and fundamentals.

Chacarron
10-24-2012, 05:58 PM
I think Elton Brand also averaged 20 and 10 as a rookie.

bholly
10-24-2012, 05:58 PM
KG entered the league in 96... before Duncan. Potential wise though Griffin absolutely does have top 5 PF all time type potential if he improves and works his *** off and can keep injuries down. People act like 21.5 ppg, 11.5 rpg and 3.5 apg in your first two seasons as a PF is subpar now :laugh2::laugh2:

Nobody is saying it's subpar. They're saying it isn't enough to put him on the list of greats after just 2 seasons. Let the guy have a career first.

Clippersfan86
10-24-2012, 05:58 PM
Yes I'm serious. As stated before bad defender, is not a go to scorer, can't shoot free throws and flops excessively. His rebounding is based on out-jumping you, unlike K-Love who is all about positioning himself and fundamentals.

Griffin is a go to scorer. Many coaches have talked about how you have to gameplan for Griffin like any other superstar. He commands double teams unlike Love. You can't NOT be a go to scorer yet get doubled non stop. He's far from a bad defender at this point and people as usual were keep perpetuating myths long after they are no longer true. Griffin is not a "good" defender yet but he's a solid one and on pace to become a good one in a couple years or sooner.

Love is more refined but he's also been in the league 2 extra years and is a jumpshooting PF. Give me the PF that leads the NBA in points in the paint and is more effective in the deep post and finishing over the guy shooting 20 footers and 3's.

teddygreen17
10-24-2012, 05:59 PM
Blake can also hit free throws...na im not that guy.. Blake is pretty good, but....there is always going to be a but....

Clippersfan86
10-24-2012, 05:59 PM
Nobody is saying it's subpar. They're saying it isn't enough to put him on the list of greats after just 2 seasons. Let the guy have a career first.

I don't agree with how far the OP went BUT I agree with some of his premise such as how can you average 21.5 ppg in your first two years on dunks alone etc. Lots of myths surrounding Griffin that people seem to refuse to budge on.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
10-24-2012, 06:06 PM
I stopped reading, after I read all the wrong statements u said about Carmelo.

"Thats more asssits than CARMELO ANTHONY has averaged in his entire career

and dont you people consider Carmelo to be a "superstar" (magically so, as he has never had a team finish higher than 6th in any conference and has only passed the first round ONCE)"

Nooo... Carmelo's career high in assists is 3.8

Denver actually higher then a 6th seed, in 2006, 2008, 2009

And no, very few people actually think Carmelo is a "superstar" in these forums. Do your homework, bruh.

Damn, I think I just got trolled...

kdspurman
10-24-2012, 06:15 PM
I'd still take KG or TD before Blake at this point in their careers. Kid has a lot of work he's gotta do. Even if some consider him that, it just goes to show how weak the 4 spot is.

I think Aldridge gets overlooked a lot, I would consider him and Love over Griffin simply cause while none are really great defenders, they both offer more offensively at this point in time than Blake does.

And no all his points aren't from dunks, he's starting to develop a little mid range game. But most of his FG's are from within the restricted area.

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#Blake-Griffin|201933;year=201112;season=r

Clippersfan86
10-24-2012, 06:17 PM
That's a lie he average under 10 points in that series.

Wow... if you're going to lie make it harder to expose you at least. You're either the worst person I've ever met at simple math or a liar who's going to get exposed regardless. Here are his scoring outputs in 7 games.

Game 1- 17 points
Game 2- 22 points
Game 3- 17 points
Game 4- 30 points
Game 5- 15 points
Game 6- 17 points
Game 7- 8 points


His injury was at the end of game 4. Which means prior to the torn Meniscus and knee hyperextension he actually averaged 21.5 ppg. He finished the series with an average of 18 ppg largely because of his terrible game 7. Now let's see you worm out of this one.

JasonJohnHorn
10-24-2012, 06:23 PM
I actually laughed out loud when I saw the poll results. I can't take anybody seriously who thinks that all Blake can do is dunk. They guy is one of the best rebounders in the league! And I'm sorry, you can't score 20 a game just by dunking. People say: CP3 was feeding him lobs all season. What about his rookie year? CP3 wasn't on the team and he averaged 20 points per game. And CP3 was sending lobs to Chandler in NO and the most Chandler could get was 12 points per game.

Blake has game.

Jeff559
10-24-2012, 06:24 PM
Are you talking about comparing rookie years? Because that is the only thing that comes close to making sense. Even then Tim Duncan was way better then Blake coming into the league.

Jeff559
10-24-2012, 06:25 PM
Shaq could have probably averaged 22ppg just by dunking. obviously he averaged a lot more than that in his prime due to actually having an offensive game.

bholly
10-24-2012, 06:32 PM
I don't agree with how far the OP went BUT I agree with some of his premise such as how can you average 21.5 ppg in your first two years on dunks alone etc. Lots of myths surrounding Griffin that people seem to refuse to budge on.

Yeah but pushing back the other way and saying people think he's subpar doesn't help, it's just fighting stupid with stupid.

Manimal
10-24-2012, 06:34 PM
He has no great post moves, can't shoot face up jumpers, can't make free throws and he can't play defense. All this adds upto him being a liability on the floor in crunch time.

You can't be a superstar if you can't carry your team in crunch time. He's a highlight reel and an athletic freak. He's Shawn Kemp if he can stay healthy. Once he loses his athleticism he's gonna be a bad contract.

Having said that if he can add a post game like 2 goto moves on the low block and can hit his free throws and play passable defense he can be a star on a contender.

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 06:35 PM
Griffin is a go to scorer. Many coaches have talked about how you have to gameplan for Griffin like any other superstar. He commands double teams unlike Love. You can't NOT be a go to scorer yet get doubled non stop. He's far from a bad defender at this point and people as usual were keep perpetuating myths long after they are no longer true. Griffin is not a "good" defender yet but he's a solid one and on pace to become a good one in a couple years or sooner.

Love is more refined but he's also been in the league 2 extra years and is a jumpshooting PF. Give me the PF that leads the NBA in points in the paint and is more effective in the deep post and finishing over the guy shooting 20 footers and 3's.

Do you have a link of these said coaches talking about this? I'd love to see it.

M.Bibby2.0
10-24-2012, 06:46 PM
When people say "all he does is dunk" I think what they mean to imply is he completely relies on his strength and athleticism.

Comparing Rookie Duncan to rookie BG isn't right either. Yes offensively there numbers are the similar. But Duncan was fundamentally skilled, and played a little thing called defense, and he did it extremely well.

That being said, BG is a great offensive player, if he could get that FT% up he'd be better though.

ColtsSpursTerps
10-24-2012, 06:46 PM
glad i didn't read the whole thing
stopped at 'blake griffin' and 'goat' in same sentence

Aleksandar
10-24-2012, 06:53 PM
I was reading the intro post. It was so emotional, sounded like a misunderstood madman yelling at the whole world..

Stop doing that mate, it's just an unnecessary hair loss.

LA>WORLD___KOBE
10-24-2012, 06:54 PM
blake is good but he has so much to learn and he is definantly not the best, if you ever watch him vs kevin love or KG he gets torn apart, and he cannot shoot like either of these players, the PF position is evolving into a shooting position, notice all the teams going far in the playoffs have a PF who can shoot

Hawkeye15
10-24-2012, 06:59 PM
I love his Kia commercials

Kobe2324
10-24-2012, 07:00 PM
Man, all he can do is dunk and grab boards and he does both on pure athletic ability, this guy is a real pile of awful, I've watched many clippers games and even seen a couple live last year. Now with that said he has plenty of time to work on his game and he can get buy on athletism for now while he's young, but this guy needs work, can't shoot to save his life, does the same spin move in the lane everytime, just awful, but again he's young and has lots of time to improve, if he puts in the work he will get there.

R. Johnson#3
10-24-2012, 07:05 PM
Take a 25 year old Karl Malone and let him and Blake matchup. It would probably end with Blake in a body cast.

I'm not saying Blake isn't great, he's definitely not the greatest though.

Chronz
10-24-2012, 07:06 PM
LOL man if PSD was around in the 80's-90's you guys would have killed a young Karl Malone. Things like, cant pass, cant defend, not a go-to-scorer, choker, cant shoot, only rebounds cuz hes buff and doesnt even do that impressively would be common place.

Chronz
10-24-2012, 07:07 PM
Take a 25 year old Karl Malone and let him and Blake matchup. It would probably end with Blake in a body cast.

I'm not saying Blake isn't great, he's definitely not the greatest though.

Take a 22 year old Karl Malone and Blake takes him to school. Whats your point?

Hawkeye15
10-24-2012, 07:07 PM
LOL man if PSD was around in the 80's-90's you guys would have killed a young Karl Malone. Things like, cant pass, cant defend, not a go-to-scorer, choker, cant shoot, only rebounds cuz hes buff and doesnt even do that impressively would be common place.

were kids as stupid back then though?

Clippersfan86
10-24-2012, 07:08 PM
blake is good but he has so much to learn and he is definantly not the best, if you ever watch him vs kevin love or KG he gets torn apart, and he cannot shoot like either of these players, the PF position is evolving into a shooting position, notice all the teams going far in the playoffs have a PF who can shoot


Huh? In H2H Griffin creams Love.

Hawkeye15
10-24-2012, 07:09 PM
Huh? In H2H Griffin creams Love.

so? Melo outplayed LeBron for a long time in head to heads. Deron schooled CP3. Doesn't make them better.

KNICKS R BACK
10-24-2012, 07:18 PM
if you needed somebody to strictly dunk, blake griffin is your guy

Hawkeye15
10-24-2012, 07:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq9pLKqd1e8

Hawkeye15
10-24-2012, 07:19 PM
god that dude jumps so high haha.

Clippersfan86
10-24-2012, 07:20 PM
so? Melo outplayed LeBron for a long time in head to heads. Deron schooled CP3. Doesn't make them better.

Did you bother to read the post? I don't think H2H means crap. I'm responding to him saying Griffin struggles bad vs Love or w/e :facepalm:

Clippersfan86
10-24-2012, 07:27 PM
Do you have a link of these said coaches talking about this? I'd love to see it.

These aren't things you can pull up on Youtube but with as much as I'm obsessed I promise you I heard/read these things. You don't even need me to find them if you just watch the game. Griffin has entire defenses waiting for him, watching him and sending doubles. The fact that he gets more flagrant fouls and hacks than any player in the game is more evidence to this.

Much easier for Love to score when he's shooting 3's and teams aren't focusing a defense on him. Griffin's 21 ppg has much more impact on a game than Love's 25. Why? Because Griffin's drawing FAR more of the defense and kicking out to wide open shooters.

Alvin Gentry actually went as far in Griffin's rookie year to say "Forget ROTY he'd possibly be my MVP winner this year".

Hawkeye15
10-24-2012, 07:28 PM
Did you bother to read the post? I don't think H2H means crap. I'm responding to him saying Griffin struggles bad vs Love or w/e :facepalm:

sorry dude, didn't read that part. My b

Guppyfighter
10-24-2012, 07:29 PM
You do realize why he averaged 20 points in first season, right? No one else was on the Clippers.

Raps18-19 Champ
10-24-2012, 07:32 PM
When people say all he does is dunk, it's clearly an exaggeration.

Also, wrong. Tim Duncan.

Clippersfan86
10-24-2012, 07:36 PM
sorry dude, didn't read that part. My b

Yea he said something like Griffin can't do jack vs Love or w/e. All good.

rocket
10-24-2012, 07:38 PM
But at the end of the day, all he can do is dunk.

Lakersfanla24
10-24-2012, 07:43 PM
Tim Duncan and Karl Malone say otherwise, just to name a few.

tapajafri
10-24-2012, 07:45 PM
no he's not omg

Hawkeye15
10-24-2012, 07:46 PM
Tim Duncan and Karl Malone say otherwise, just to name a few.

Malone after the same amount of games was nowhere near Griffin.

Oldmantrash
10-24-2012, 07:48 PM
He's a very good ball player, I evaluate him like this,

If blake griffin is the besy player on your team, you are a very bad to mediocre team

If Blake Griffin is the 2nd best player on your team, you are most likely a solid team, not close to championship caliber

If Blake griffin is the 3rd best player on your team, you could be a top 4 team in the NBA

I know this doesn't make much sense, but I evaluate guys like this in my head sometimes.

He's not even close to Karl malone, or Charles Barkley, but he's good.
Dunking or not.

Hawkeye15
10-24-2012, 07:52 PM
holy crap, are people really trying to compare Griffin to the best PF's ever in their primes? That isn't what this is about. Actually not sure what the hell the OP was getting at, but we can only compare a player this young to the greats at the same stage before them. It's why Duncan is probably the only PF in the last 20 years I would take over Blake, if we are evaluating what he has done in his first 2 years, at age 22.

Clippersfan86
10-24-2012, 07:56 PM
holy crap, are people really trying to compare Griffin to the best PF's ever in their primes? That isn't what this is about. Actually not sure what the hell the OP was getting at, but we can only compare a player this young to the greats at the same stage before them. It's why Duncan is probably the only PF in the last 20 years I would take over Blake, if we are evaluating what he has done in his first 2 years, at age 22.

I know it's sad. NOBODY in their right mind (besides maybe OP) is saying Griffin now is on par with other HOF players in their prime. What people are saying is at this stage of his career he's very good.

eibbor
10-24-2012, 07:57 PM
Im sick of people talking crap about blake griffin, saying "all he does is dunk", its simply the most idiotic arument ive ever heard, how does a player that only dunks have a career average of :

21 ppg 11 rpg 3.5 apg .8 spg

how? explain how a player that can only dunk can average 21 points in the NBA for his career? if this was possible, Deandre Jordan and Javale Mcgee would average the same stats right?

Thats more asssits than CARMELO ANTHONY has averaged in his entire career

and dont you people consider Carmelo to be a "superstar" (magically so, as he has never had a team finish higher than 6th in any conference and has only passed the first round ONCE)

Blake Griffin is destined to be the GOAT

do you know the last power forward who averaged 20 and 10 as a rookie was? TIM DUNCAN

it hasnt been done since Blake entered the league. this guy hasnt even peaked yet, do you people realize this will be his 3RD NBA SEASON?

my goodness

if his name was Lebron im sure you guys would be riding him right now, but because hes featured on sports center because of his amazing physical ability, he can only dunk

NICE LOGIC

He makes baskets that other players at his position cannot physically do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZB15o7E0o4

tell me he can only dunk

you know how long it took kevin love to average near 20 and 10? till his 3rd season

blake accomplished this feat in his ROOKIE SEASON

you know how long it took dirk to average 20/10? i dont either becuase he never did it

hands down, this guy is the best powerforward to ENTER this league since Tim Duncan, without question

and i bet you clowns will soon say "blake is just a product of chris paul"

all chris paul has done is impede griffin from realizing his true offensive potential as a facilitator , griffin's usage percentage, minutes, and assists dropped last season due to cp3's impact

but his fg% also rose

but he still managed to average 20/10 + for his second consecutive year

you know how long it took dwight howard to average 20/10+? 4 seasons

Blake did it his ROOKIE YEAR

and you dare call blake overated? you dare say he has no post moves an can only dunk? hahahahahahha

imagine if blake was blessed with a great center to play with like how TD had when he entered the league, i bet hed have a ring by now already

while blake may not be the best pf in the league, he is undoubtedly a top 3 pf(behind love and dirk) and a top 10-12 player

this guy is the ultimate offensive player and he hasnt even come close to reaching his potential. i could make the argument, that he could have been a 23/12/5 type player by now had the clippers not acquired cp3 and ran the offense through him

this guy is the epitome of greatness and should be praised just as much as KD and DR have been praised

you guys give so much praise to a clown like james harden who averages what? 16 points? and plays with 2 superstar calibur players who create space and open shots for him, but when blake griffin plays with cp3, and a bag of chips, blake sucks and is overated right?

oh and a player that averages 16ppg for 1 season is worth max money and would instantly make someone a contender if acquired?:facepalm:

how amazing

in a league where you have clowns like joakim noah who makes 12 million and couldnt even average a double double last year, makes 12 million next season is called a "great front court player" and brook lopez is a "top 5 center". Blake griffin is overated and can only dunk

:facepalm:


Oh... To be 13 again. Good times

ChiSox219
10-24-2012, 08:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq9pLKqd1e8

I've watched #1 about a hundred times, wouldve been the greatest dunk contest dunk for whatever that's worth.

JJ_JKidd
10-24-2012, 08:21 PM
Im sick of people talking crap about blake griffin, saying "all he does is dunk", its simply the most idiotic arument ive ever heard, how does a player that only dunks have a career average of :

21 ppg 11 rpg 3.5 apg .8 spg

how? explain how a player that can only dunk can average 21 points in the NBA for his career? if this was possible, Deandre Jordan and Javale Mcgee would average the same stats right?

Thats more asssits than CARMELO ANTHONY has averaged in his entire career

and dont you people consider Carmelo to be a "superstar" (magically so, as he has never had a team finish higher than 6th in any conference and has only passed the first round ONCE)

Blake Griffin is destined to be the GOAT

do you know the last power forward who averaged 20 and 10 as a rookie was? TIM DUNCAN

it hasnt been done since Blake entered the league. this guy hasnt even peaked yet, do you people realize this will be his 3RD NBA SEASON?

my goodness

if his name was Lebron im sure you guys would be riding him right now, but because hes featured on sports center because of his amazing physical ability, he can only dunk

NICE LOGIC

He makes baskets that other players at his position cannot physically do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZB15o7E0o4

tell me he can only dunk

you know how long it took kevin love to average near 20 and 10? till his 3rd season

blake accomplished this feat in his ROOKIE SEASON

you know how long it took dirk to average 20/10? i dont either becuase he never did it

hands down, this guy is the best powerforward to ENTER this league since Tim Duncan, without question

and i bet you clowns will soon say "blake is just a product of chris paul"

all chris paul has done is impede griffin from realizing his true offensive potential as a facilitator , griffin's usage percentage, minutes, and assists dropped last season due to cp3's impact

but his fg% also rose

but he still managed to average 20/10 + for his second consecutive year

you know how long it took dwight howard to average 20/10+? 4 seasons

Blake did it his ROOKIE YEAR

and you dare call blake overated? you dare say he has no post moves an can only dunk? hahahahahahha

imagine if blake was blessed with a great center to play with like how TD had when he entered the league, i bet hed have a ring by now already

while blake may not be the best pf in the league, he is undoubtedly a top 3 pf(behind love and dirk) and a top 10-12 player

this guy is the ultimate offensive player and he hasnt even come close to reaching his potential. i could make the argument, that he could have been a 23/12/5 type player by now had the clippers not acquired cp3 and ran the offense through him

this guy is the epitome of greatness and should be praised just as much as KD and DR have been praised

you guys give so much praise to a clown like james harden who averages what? 16 points? and plays with 2 superstar calibur players who create space and open shots for him, but when blake griffin plays with cp3, and a bag of chips, blake sucks and is overated right?

oh and a player that averages 16ppg for 1 season is worth max money and would instantly make someone a contender if acquired?:facepalm:

how amazing

in a league where you have clowns like joakim noah who makes 12 million and couldnt even average a double double last year, makes 12 million next season is called a "great front court player" and brook lopez is a "top 5 center". Blake griffin is overated and can only dunk

:facepalm:

Cool! :cool:

FriedTofuz
10-24-2012, 08:22 PM
Tim duncan is still the best. He plays amazing d, something griffen isnt quite capable of.

Hawkeye15
10-24-2012, 08:23 PM
I've watched #1 about a hundred times, wouldve been the greatest dunk contest dunk for whatever that's worth.

dude, for sure.

billy17
10-24-2012, 08:25 PM
But all he does is dunk..

He has a nasty hyperspeed-out-of-control spin move though, usually to a dunk, or flop for a foul call

OaklandsFinest
10-24-2012, 08:26 PM
No he is not the best PF to enter the league, not even a little bit. Has he put up pretty good number in his start, sure, but he is by no means as good as a young Amare, Shawn Kemp, Kevin Garnett, or Tim Duncan. He's not even Chris Webber, who I think was one of the best PF rookies ever.

ChiSox219
10-24-2012, 08:29 PM
I am curious what Blake would do with Pop or Adelman as his coach. I'm just saying, when VDN left Chicago, Rose won MVP.

Ill21
10-24-2012, 08:36 PM
Dupe

jericho
10-24-2012, 08:38 PM
yeah we all know that he doesnt get to his 20ppg just by dunking i have actually seen him do some decent post moves
the thing is that he relys to much on his athletic ability to do his job when father time catches up to him he is gonna suck if he doesnt develop his jump shot free throws defence among other things
rite now he is good he can keep on doing what his doing but what if he gets injured really bad and looses his athletic ability what is he gonna do

Chronz
10-24-2012, 08:40 PM
He's a very good ball player, I evaluate him like this,

If blake griffin is the besy player on your team, you are a very bad to mediocre team

If Blake Griffin is the 2nd best player on your team, you are most likely a solid team, not close to championship caliber

If Blake griffin is the 3rd best player on your team, you could be a top 4 team in the NBA

I know this doesn't make much sense, but I evaluate guys like this in my head sometimes.

He's not even close to Karl malone, or Charles Barkley, but he's good.
Dunking or not.

Your right, your evaluations dont make any sense

koberulesall
10-24-2012, 08:47 PM
like it or not blake griffin isnt getting past the 2nd round

LAKobeBryant
10-24-2012, 10:14 PM
Put Blake any year in his career on raptors roster and he wouldn't get 20 10 like bosh did. Blake plays with cp3 league best pg. he gives him easy point and pick and roll easy score.

Avenged
10-24-2012, 10:16 PM
An obvious dupe and troll has his thread go over 130 posts.. Nice. :clap: Keep it up PSD!

KB-Pau-DH2012
10-24-2012, 10:16 PM
Blake Griffin is exciting, but overrated.

KB-Pau-DH2012
10-24-2012, 10:17 PM
An obvious dupe and troll has his thread go over 130 posts.. Nice. :clap: Keep it up PSD!

Blame the oh so great mods. Usually, that guy "behindmydesk" is quick to give posters infractions and bans, but he won't do anything about this.

What a great mod. :rolleyes:

Meaze_Gibson
10-24-2012, 10:45 PM
I kinda feel the op. Even if he does dunk extremely well, what does that have to do with being able to run or finish the fastbreak? what does that have to do with him throwing oops to others in half court settings? What does that have to do with him never taking a play off? Not many pfs have his combination of athleticism, offensive iq, and motor. Also, looking back, he was the most consistent playoff performer for the Clippers last year as well.

JesusNYY_Savior
10-24-2012, 11:03 PM
Wasnt Griffen out for his entire rookie year?

king4day
10-24-2012, 11:19 PM
With his busted knee cap to start his career, I don't expect him to be this explosive long enough to be able to average all of that.
Until he develops a shot, he'll be one dimensional. Teams will learn to defend him better and he will struggle to adjust for that reason.

Clippersfan86
10-24-2012, 11:25 PM
Put Blake any year in his career on raptors roster and he wouldn't get 20 10 like bosh did. Blake plays with cp3 league best pg. he gives him easy point and pick and roll easy score.

Did you even pay attention? Griffin had LESS touches, shots, post feeds and lower usage rate with CP3. Griffin had BETTER stats without CP3... yet somehow CP3 made him! Great logic sir.

Clippersfan86
10-24-2012, 11:41 PM
Blake 3-3 from midrange tonight... been shooting it beautifully this preseason! Bob Thate said his shot has improved more in 2 months than Kidd in almost 2 years.

ChiSox219
10-24-2012, 11:42 PM
Not a dunk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs3MHfLDq0g

Munkeysuit
10-24-2012, 11:43 PM
I would like to take the time to sympathize with you just for a little bit sir, Blake Griffin being the greatest power forward ever to hit the NBA, is just as ridiculous as saying that Blake Griffin is the most greatest power forward ever to hit the NBA. Go ask Shaquille Oneal about averaging 29.7 on dunks and missed free throws...oh and somewhere out in the wilderness, Karl Malone is crouched over a mountain lion he just stalked, hunted and then killed with his bare hands, short of breath because he just ran down this creature over 50 miles of rugged mountain terrain with a backpack full wolf and bear pelts he's collected since this morning, he is looking intently over at a cedar tree where a woodpecker he has trained to do morse code on his days off from swimming upstream with salmon to ensure their safety from grizzly bears, has coded him a message...a message that makes Karl frown with disgust ...you see, Karl has no internet, but his neighbors 100 miles away do, and this woodpecker has seen this neighbor on the internet...he has seen your post...and now Karl hunts a new prey

Clippersfan86
10-24-2012, 11:46 PM
Not a dunk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs3MHfLDq0g

3-3 from midrange too tonight. His defense on Gasol has been smothering. I don't think people realize how solid his D has gotten..

BKLYNpigeon
10-24-2012, 11:52 PM
Until Black Griffin can put the Clippers on his back and win a few Championships.

Im going to give the title of Best PF to Duncan.

MintBerryCrunch
10-24-2012, 11:54 PM
3-3 from midrange too tonight. His defense on Gasol has been smothering. I don't think people realize how solid his D has gotten..

Damn 3-3??????

Preseason , bro

steviefranchise
10-24-2012, 11:55 PM
"Like it or not, Blake Griffin is the greatest PF to enter the league"


Honestly this person had to be drunk or is under the age of 10 to make this statement. Yea Blake is a good basketball player and his stats are good as well, but he can be better if he puts in the extra work and expand is offensive game and learn how to play defense.

TheSource
10-24-2012, 11:55 PM
Just watch how bad he plays when he loses his athleticism and his legs start giving him up, that's just one of the things that separate guys like Duncan from Blake.

Clippersfan86
10-24-2012, 11:59 PM
Damn 3-3??????

Preseason , bro

4-4 now... you don't think a jumper at the very least can show in preseason?? :facepalm:

Aust
10-25-2012, 12:01 AM
He gets 90 percent of his baskets in the paint, dunk or not. And his flopping is super annoying.

Chronz
10-25-2012, 10:08 AM
Blake 3-3 from midrange tonight... been shooting it beautifully this preseason! Bob Thate said his shot has improved more in 2 months than Kidd in almost 2 years.

Kidd took an entire career didn't he.

Chronz
10-25-2012, 10:13 AM
Just watch how bad he plays when he loses his athleticism and his legs start giving him up, that's just one of the things that separate guys like Duncan from Blake.

LOL so when is that suppose to happen? When hes +31? Are you honestly criticizing him for something that wont be a problem (barring injury) for almost a decade and assuming he wont improve a lick by then?


LMFAO, this gos out to all those who keep saying this, thats not a valid complaint. The fact is HE IS ATHLETIC, maybe some day you can quip its a bad for him to rely so much on athleticism, but with his work ethic I have no reason to hold his athletic based game against him, when its what gives him so much potential.


Just watch.........

monty77
10-25-2012, 11:24 AM
There are PF like West, Boozer, Scola... who reached the same rates but they were never considered "the greatest PF". Yes, there were two of the five best history PF: Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett, so if you think that Griffin is the best at present, it's the same as saying: nowadays, there aren't a good PF in the NBA.

I don't think this is the case. Mainly because there are PF like Bosh who can play better defense than Griffin, and others who can attack better (like Kevin Love).

Both, Bosh and Love are more versatile player than Griffin and though they surely never will be reach Duncan and Garnett level, it's probably that they overcome Griffin's scale throughout their careers.

However, Griffin could be an Allstart during this entire career because he dunk fantastically, he have a longer range shot every year, he has good mental strength and can run the court. Yes, he is along with LeBron, the best NBA player running the court.

Unfortunately, Blake has many shortcomings in the static game, he can't block especially because there are many taller players in this same position. If he improve heŽll maybe reach top 10 of the NBA player which could happen only if he stand beside Paul.

Im_in_Mia_bish
10-25-2012, 11:31 AM
if you wanna talk about someone who only dunks, pls refer to Josh Smith. now that guy relies on his athletic abilities.

his shot has improved, but not to an extent where it can be used in a game consistently.

miller74
10-25-2012, 11:39 AM
"Like it or not my opinion means more than yours" is what the title should be

I Rock Shaqs
10-25-2012, 11:47 AM
OMG listening a clippers game is embarrassing they have the worst commentators ever, they are so one-sided it's ridiculous and they suck up to the clippers players so hard it's annoying.

JesusWears24
10-25-2012, 12:04 PM
He dunks and shoots freethrows...

sep11ie
10-25-2012, 12:12 PM
I kinda feel the op. Even if he does dunk extremely well, what does that have to do with being able to run or finish the fastbreak? what does that have to do with him throwing oops to others in half court settings? What does that have to do with him never taking a play off? Not many pfs have his combination of athleticism, offensive iq, and motor. Also, looking back, he was the most consistent playoff performer for the Clippers last year as well.

I thought he took the playoffs off last year.

WAYNEBO
10-25-2012, 12:21 PM
And so the story goes of a mancrush turned troll....

SHB = DMF

Chronz
10-25-2012, 12:29 PM
There are PF like West, Boozer, Scola... who reached the same rates
Not quite like this and not quite this early in their careers but your point stands.

Chronz
10-25-2012, 12:31 PM
OMG listening a clippers game is embarrassing they have the worst commentators ever, they are so one-sided it's ridiculous and they suck up to the clippers players so hard it's annoying.
Sounds like you dont listen to many commentators and are basing your opinion off a few games.

E.O.21
10-25-2012, 01:02 PM
I get to see blake almost every game since I live out here in LA. I disagree with the OP completely but I will say that the people that say he can only dunk are ignorant. He has some weird unorthodox post game. He does alot of spinning I've seen. But it works for him. The skys the limit for the kid. People who hate just hate I guess

dh144498
10-25-2012, 01:10 PM
Blake Griffin's so overrated. You'd think with his athleticism he'd be a great post defender/shot blocker, but he's terrible. His higher efficiency this year is a direct result of CP3.

vikesblitz
10-25-2012, 01:21 PM
So this is what bath salts do to you!

KnickaBocka.44
10-25-2012, 01:40 PM
Troll OP could not stand to make another post after the backlash he faced on his first thread. Poor guy :sad2:

Hawkeye15
10-25-2012, 02:27 PM
Just watch how bad he plays when he loses his athleticism and his legs start giving him up, that's just one of the things that separate guys like Duncan from Blake.

seeing as that is in around 9-10 years from now, this is kind of irrelevant.

Like I said, my only worry is that Blake's ferocious style of play will lead to some injuries. Getting 4 feet off the ground going 100 mph many times leads to getting undercut and nasty falls.

Heediot
10-25-2012, 03:14 PM
Griffin will be fine. One thing he has is elite WORK ETHIC. This alone will help him improve, even if slowly at worst.

koreancabbage
10-25-2012, 03:25 PM
so he can dunk. great.

Clippersfan86
10-25-2012, 10:19 PM
Knocks down his first two jumpers yet again. Dude's shot looks great...

John Walls Era
10-25-2012, 10:27 PM
Knocks down his first two jumpers yet again. Dude's shot looks great...

bring out the parade.

Clippersfan86
10-25-2012, 10:34 PM
Griffin's shot and defense look significantly better. I can't fathom how good he will be in 3 years.

iDefend10
10-25-2012, 10:46 PM
I want him to play good or great defense all season long. Step out and make that 14 - 15 ft jumper. We all know he can dunk and rebound, but I hope he works on the fundamentals of being a big man.

Jarvo
10-25-2012, 10:49 PM
:laugh: :laugh2:

Jarvo
10-25-2012, 10:50 PM
Still has much to prove

Clippersfan86
10-25-2012, 11:10 PM
17 and 8 at the half. Hitting free throws, hitting jumpers. Love it.

Meaze_Gibson
10-25-2012, 11:26 PM
I thought he took the playoffs off last year.

His work ethic was the same throughout season and playoffs. Even injured he averaged 19 and 7bds a block and 2 stealswhile shooting 50% for the field. As far as pfs Both Bosh and Aldridge career playoff numbers look the same as Griffins. Also dead tied with CP for per. If anybody took playoffs off it was cp not Blake Griffin

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2012.html

Clippersfan86
10-25-2012, 11:36 PM
Griffin 4-5 from midrange with 2 banks. Only miss was deep in the rim.

kylem4711
10-25-2012, 11:39 PM
dont care what people label him. im just happy he's on my team

Clippersfan86
10-25-2012, 11:41 PM
Griffin swishes another 18 footer after the whistle. His screen setting and defense have also looked very good this preseason. I'm impressed at how much he fine tuned his game despite the torn Meniscus. Props to this guy who's going to be recognized as a bonafide superstar this year league wide.

Ch0ZSeN1
10-25-2012, 11:46 PM
If he ain't in the paint.... He ain't scorin

Clippersfan86
10-25-2012, 11:48 PM
If he ain't in the paint.... He ain't scorin

Yet he's knocked down 5 jumpers and has been shooting it great this preseason?

dee279
10-25-2012, 11:55 PM
I actually agree with some of what you said OP. Blake has the agility and body control of a guard, has above average ball handling and passing ability for his position, and might just be the most athletic player in the league. BUT he does have a long, long way to go. Like someone said, what if K. Love could jump like blake... Well what if Blake could shoot like Love... Who would be better? Blake would because Blake has way more ability then Love does as I stated before. Blake will get better and when he does, watch out NBA. His defensive game needs to improve also. His on ball defense is not where it should be at all And jumping as high as he does, he needs to get better timing on shot blocking because there is no way he should be able to jump that high and not average over 2 blocks a game atleast.

kylem4711
10-25-2012, 11:55 PM
Yet he's knocked down 5 jumpers and has been shooting it great this preseason?

There's no point in arguing with people that have capitalized and lower cased letters throughout their username. they are most likely a dummy.

LongWayFromHome
10-26-2012, 12:06 AM
obviously a troll account.

PS - Griffin is only good at dunking.

Meaze_Gibson
10-26-2012, 12:17 AM
[QUOTE=Ch0ZSeN1;24077011]If he ain't in the paint.... He ain't scorin[/QU

37% on midrange from last year on 4 attempt after shooting 33% last year. While not KG, he can hit an open midrange jumper. Watch the games

Alayla
10-26-2012, 12:27 AM
I will Argee that Blake is getting a bit too much hate on psd but hes not the best power forward in the NBA right now
Kevin love is and don't give me that BLAKE WAS A 20 10 player his rookie year nonsense.... HE DIDN'T EVEN PLAY HIS ROOKIE YEAR!
i dont care what anyone says just because he got injured his rookie season that doesn't mean you can re brand it and say the next season is his rookie season that was stupid to begin with because he has a year to Adjust to the NBA and be in the presence of NBA talent and coaching.

Clippersfan86
10-26-2012, 12:35 AM
I will Argee that Blake is getting a bit too much hate on psd but hes not the best power forward in the NBA right now
Kevin love is and don't give me that BLAKE WAS A 20 10 player his rookie year nonsense.... HE DIDN'T EVEN PLAY HIS ROOKIE YEAR!
i dont care what anyone says just because he got injured his rookie season that doesn't mean you can re brand it and say the next season is his rookie season that was stupid to begin with because he has a year to Adjust to the NBA and be in the presence of NBA talent and coaching.

That's the NBA's rules bud. You can't just change it at your convenience and argue it as if it's not how the game does it.

ColtsSpursTerps
10-26-2012, 07:12 PM
I know it's sad. NOBODY in their right mind (besides maybe OP) is saying Griffin now is on par with other HOF players in their prime. What people are saying is at this stage of his career he's very good.

OP said Griffin is destined to be the GOAT, it was one of the first 10 lines or something.
At this stage of his career he's very good...yeah, that's the point. When you're a player who thrives off athleticism, it's not rare to see a player like him peak early and then never really get the details and fundamentals down

Clippersfan86
10-26-2012, 07:39 PM
OP said Griffin is destined to be the GOAT, it was one of the first 10 lines or something.
At this stage of his career he's very good...yeah, that's the point. When you're a player who thrives off athleticism, it's not rare to see a player like him peak early and then never really get the details and fundamentals down

Again I understand it's the preseason and it needs to sustain but he HAS worked hard on the fundamentals this summer. The Clippers played all very good teams this preseason and Griffin's defense, shot, post game and all around game looks significantly better. In fact he's using layups a lot more than dunks too.

Aust
10-26-2012, 07:41 PM
OMG listening a clippers game is embarrassing they have the worst commentators ever, they are so one-sided it's ridiculous and they suck up to the clippers players so hard it's annoying.

Yeah I found that out last year when I made the mistake of watching a local Clippers game. Those guy's are terrible.

Davidgta1
10-26-2012, 08:02 PM
Prime KG would **** all over Blake

Clippersfan86
10-26-2012, 08:03 PM
Prime KG would **** all over Blake

I agree prime KG would **** on not even close to prime Griffin :clap:.

ManRam
10-26-2012, 09:00 PM
A) Stupid thread title. Not true, at all.
B) Stupid poll question. What does that even mean?

JordansBulls
10-26-2012, 11:08 PM
:laugh2:

Cracka2HI!
10-27-2012, 12:04 AM
Either way A TON of know nothing haters on this site who have never watched a full Clippers game are going to be very disappointed this season! Not only with Blake but maybe even more so with DeAndre Jordan. I know the cool thing around here is to say Blake can only dunk and DeAndre is just flat out garbage but that was never true and it won't even be able to seen as a serious post this season.

JEDean89
10-27-2012, 07:22 AM
clips should be stoked, they are 1 solid wing player away from being a true contender. they need a luol deng or an aaron afflalo or an dany granger. plenty of gettable wings for them to try and snag.

IndyRealist
10-27-2012, 11:28 AM
20/10 are not magical numbers that makes a player great. He's good, not the GOAT. He doesn't play defense and is a turnover machine. But of course those things don't apparently matter when you're a 20/10 player.

And Lebron is a better PF than Griffin is. So is Kevin Love. And Kenneth Faried will be if George Karl would actually give him minutes. And depending on the makeup of the rest of the team, I might take Serge Ibaka or Ryan Anderson over Griffin. Griffin is one dimensional.

ChiSox219
10-27-2012, 11:39 AM
20/10 are not magical numbers that makes a player great. He's good, not the GOAT. He doesn't play defense and is a turnover machine. But of course those things don't apparently matter when you're a 20/10 player.

And Lebron is a better PF than Griffin is. So is Kevin Love. And Kenneth Faried will be if George Karl would actually give him minutes. And depending on the makeup of the rest of the team, I might take Serge Ibaka or Ryan Anderson over Griffin. Griffin is one dimensional.

If you're gonna talk **** about a player, at least watch him play first.

JoyRide
10-27-2012, 12:08 PM
Griffin is a very good player , not a great player, he need to improve his defense and jump shot , but i think he definitely have the potential to become a great player.

i would definitely love to have someone who only 23 years old that can only dunk but averaging 20/10 in my team. imagine how good he'll be if he improve his weakness. don't act like you don't.

effen5
10-27-2012, 12:11 PM
Rather have Tim Duncan and its not even close. This thread sucks.

mightybosstone
10-27-2012, 12:12 PM
This thread and poll are just horrible. It should be closed before we all get dumber for having read any of it.

EvanTurner
10-27-2012, 01:31 PM
lol @ this thread. Blake griffen is average. untill proven otherwise

Chronz
10-27-2012, 01:47 PM
20/10 are not magical numbers that makes a player great. He's good, not the GOAT. He doesn't play defense and is a turnover machine. But of course those things don't apparently matter when you're a 20/10 player.

And Lebron is a better PF than Griffin is. So is Kevin Love. And Kenneth Faried will be if George Karl would actually give him minutes. And depending on the makeup of the rest of the team, I might take Serge Ibaka or Ryan Anderson over Griffin. Griffin is one dimensional.
He has his limps but whats the case for Ibaka/Anderson?

Evolution23
10-27-2012, 01:49 PM
He's a good dunker, especially the ones where he doesn't dunk but just puts the ball in the hoop.

Sadds The Gr8
10-27-2012, 01:59 PM
this thread is filled with fail. i told u guys to abandon it.

Clippersfan86
10-27-2012, 05:22 PM
20/10 are not magical numbers that makes a player great. He's good, not the GOAT. He doesn't play defense and is a turnover machine. But of course those things don't apparently matter when you're a 20/10 player.

And Lebron is a better PF than Griffin is. So is Kevin Love. And Kenneth Faried will be if George Karl would actually give him minutes. And depending on the makeup of the rest of the team, I might take Serge Ibaka or Ryan Anderson over Griffin. Griffin is one dimensional.

One dimensional? Good scorer, good rebounder and good passer. Not to mention despite myth he did improve his D some. His 47 point, 14 rebound on that efficiencycombination he dropped on your Pacers has only been done one other time and it was by Michael Jordan. He's so far from one dimensional it's a joke for you to say that. Hell Kevin Durant is more one dimensional than Blake.

Davidgta1
10-27-2012, 07:33 PM
One dimensional? Good scorer, good rebounder and good passer. Not to mention despite myth he did improve his D some. His 47 point, 14 rebound on that efficiencycombination he dropped on your Pacers has only been done one other time and it was by Michael Jordan. He's so far from one dimensional it's a joke for you to say that. Hell Kevin Durant is more one dimensional than Blake.

KD is one dimensional?

Clippersfan86
10-27-2012, 08:26 PM
KD is one dimensional?

I'm not saying he is. I'm saying if Griffin is one dimensional than somebody like KD is as well.

Griffin is top tier scoring big man. Top tier rebounding big man. Top tier passing bigman. Top tier efficiency big man and finisher in the paint (Number 1 in points in the paint, 2 last year). Not to mention his defensive IS improving. So nothing about him is one dimensional. Maybe 3-4 other PF's in NBA history have had his skillset and none have had his skill set plus that athleticism. Sure Kemp was a one man fastbreak but Griffin serious crosses players over and makes passes Kemp couldn't dream of.

KnicksorBust
10-27-2012, 08:28 PM
I'm really really high on Blake too but it's too soon for this thread. Just wait till the Clippers make the WCF on the heels of a 42pt-17rebound Griffin close game in game 6. :)

John Walls Era
10-27-2012, 08:41 PM
Leave the thread making to the pros. Like Jordan Bulls.........

SeoulBeatz
10-27-2012, 09:02 PM
I like Blake Griffin more than most, but it's painfully clear that he has no post-moves whatsoever. Whenever he makes a move on the block, it looks incredibly awkward. No fluidity, prone to having the chair-pulled on him at any moment (because he leans so much when he backs someone down), and 90% of the time it just leads to that awkward tumbling hook shot.

Don't get me wrong, the man is a BEAST, but he just doesn't have any post game. But who needs it with athleticism like that? Still has the potential to be the best PF on athleticism/strength alone.

Clippersfan86
10-27-2012, 09:07 PM
I like Blake Griffin more than most, but it's painfully clear that he has no post-moves whatsoever. Whenever he makes a move on the block, it looks incredibly awkward. No fluidity, prone to having the chair-pulled on him at any moment (because he leans so much when he backs someone down), and 90% of the time it just leads to that awkward tumbling hook shot.

Don't get me wrong, the man is a BEAST, but he just doesn't have any post game. But who needs it with athleticism like that? Still has the potential to be the best PF on athleticism/strength alone.

I agree with a lot of your post but you can't lead the NBA 2 years in a row nearly in points in the paint and not have "any" post game. I do agree his moves are raw and not pretty at all but they are obviously working.

justinnum1
10-27-2012, 09:08 PM
if he gets his ft% around 80 and plays defense, he will be the best

VinceCarter
10-27-2012, 10:11 PM
Dunking isn't even his best talent...flopping is.

kobe4thewinbang
10-27-2012, 10:14 PM
He might have talent, but until he starts using it to help the Clippers win, instead of stiff arming defenders and not getting offensive fouls called on him, he's useless. It's about winning games, not making awesome dunks.

For example, where are Gerald Green and Vince Carter now?

VinceCarter
10-27-2012, 10:19 PM
He might have talent, but until he starts using it to help the Clippers win, instead of stiff arming defenders and not getting offensive fouls called on him, he's useless. It's about winning games, not making awesome dunks.

For example, where are Gerald Green and Vince Carter now?

Did you just say Vince Carter was a "dunk only" talent? :facepalm:

Alayla
10-28-2012, 12:23 AM
That's the NBA's rules bud. You can't just change it at your convenience and argue it as if it's not how the game does it.

Well in my eyes as well as many others Blake wasnt a rookie to begin with and that Aside Kevin love is still the better player

Clippersfan86
10-28-2012, 02:05 AM
Well in my eyes as well as many others Blake wasnt a rookie to begin with and that Aside Kevin love is still the better player

Yes Love is better because he's had two extra years of experience. That can obviously change. I think Love is pretty much peaked, Griffin is nowhere near his peak.

N3TS
10-28-2012, 06:04 AM
I didn't read all that, but judging by the title the greatest PF to enter the league have you ever heard of "The Big Fundamental."

Clippersfan86
12-09-2012, 03:50 PM
After a subpar start where Blake was injured and looked passive he's been incredible the last 5 games. His numbers in December are....

22 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 3 apg and 2 spg on 62 percent shooting from the field and 50+ from midrange in only 30 minutes a game. What's scary is I still expect him to improve this year.

TrueFan420
12-09-2012, 05:05 PM
Yea good for him but Duncan was/is the greatest pf to enter the league

DitchDat
12-09-2012, 05:09 PM
He is a sensational player, I agree with that, but stats don't tell the whole story. It's impressive, but it doesn't make him the best. Give me steady Al Jefferson all day

Cracka2HI!
12-09-2012, 05:16 PM
He's playing great but the Clippers opponents have been very soft. He hasn't really run into many good bigs during this stretch. Looking at the schedule it's smooth sailing ahead too, he should continue to dominate for awhile, but I'd really like to see him do this against the Spurs, Bulls, Thunder ect.

KingsPhillies
12-09-2012, 05:31 PM
Blake is good...but I'd still take Duncan or Webber over him any day of the week.

CousinsEvansDUO
12-09-2012, 05:34 PM
Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people I am 6'4" 245lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like to my mother in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought.What do you think. Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know.

kdspurman
12-09-2012, 05:34 PM
Yea good for him but Duncan was/is the greatest pf to enter the league

This. He's a long ways from being in that category.

LongWayFromHome
12-09-2012, 05:38 PM
This OP was a rotten mess. Was he drunk or just incapable of logic?

Cracka2HI!
12-09-2012, 05:38 PM
Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people I am 6'4" 245lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like to my mother in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought.What do you think. Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know.:laugh2:

Jarvo
12-09-2012, 05:40 PM
:facepalm: This **** said he's gonna be the greatest of all time :laugh:

kdspurman
12-09-2012, 05:42 PM
After a subpar start where Blake was injured and looked passive he's been incredible the last 5 games. His numbers in December are....

22 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 3 apg and 2 spg on 62 percent shooting from the field and 50+ from midrange in only 30 minutes a game. What's scary is I still expect him to improve this year.

I get you're a big fan, but we are 9 days into December and your talking about his stats for this month. Why not let the month finish before you bump an old thread?

tredigs
12-09-2012, 05:50 PM
Is this a thread about the dunker?

Cracka2HI!
12-09-2012, 05:55 PM
Blake has actually picked up 2 votes since this was bumped LOL!

PurpleJesus
12-09-2012, 08:37 PM
Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people I am 6'4" 245lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like to my mother in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought.What do you think. Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know.

ummmm....

mizzacNYC
12-09-2012, 11:39 PM
WOW somebody has Blake Griffin's face tattooed on their back... He's good, physically he's a beast on the court, but he's not the first, last or best at that position. Maybe in time he can develop into a more complete player.

ThuglifeJ
12-10-2012, 02:24 AM
are you kidding? All the dude can do on a consistent basis IS DUNK. He has no polished moves, he has no touch, no finesse, no footwork, no high IQ. He's literally nothing but a dunker, that crap he throws in wont last he's not that good at all. He's a great PF and any team benefits from having him but he wont last and he's far from being GOAT anything.

F outa here with this

thechom80
12-10-2012, 03:11 AM
Whenever someone mentions Blake or I see him, all I can think about is "Vagina from Heaven" D'ing him the **** up. Vagina even went HAM on the offensive end on him....then stole his sammich.

Chronz
12-10-2012, 04:05 AM
are you kidding? All the dude can do on a consistent basis IS DUNK. He has no polished moves, he has no touch, no finesse, no footwork, no high IQ. He's literally nothing but a dunker, that crap he throws in wont last he's not that good at all. He's a great PF and any team benefits from having him but he wont last and he's far from being GOAT anything.

F outa here with this

proof?

LA_Raiders
12-10-2012, 04:16 AM
He is a good dunker.

seikou8
12-10-2012, 04:31 AM
are you kidding? All the dude can do on a consistent basis IS DUNK. He has no polished moves, he has no touch, no finesse, no footwork, no high IQ. He's literally nothing but a dunker, that crap he throws in wont last he's not that good at all. He's a great PF and any team benefits from having him but he wont last and he's far from being GOAT anything.

F outa here with this

:facepalm:

Clippersfan86
12-10-2012, 03:28 PM
Yesterday he again absolutely BEASTED in just 3 quarters. 19 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists and 3 steals. This is becoming a regular Blake stat line lately and he's not even having to play 4th quarters so he will be nice and fresh this time for the playoffs.

TrueFan420
12-10-2012, 03:33 PM
Yesterday he again absolutely BEASTED in just 3 quarters. 19 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists and 3 steals. This is becoming a regular Blake stat line lately and he's not even having to play 4th quarters so he will be nice and fresh this time for the playoffs.

Do you believe he is the greatest pf to enter the league?

RonE Coleman
12-10-2012, 03:41 PM
OP was clearly smokin that good good

selassi3
12-10-2012, 03:50 PM
when you can barley hit a free throw or a mid range or your NOW starting to develop it.... you are NOT close to being the greatest PF of all time.. Right Now hands down PFs ahead of him BOSH, ALDRIDGE

selassi3
12-10-2012, 03:51 PM
Anthony Davis may go down as the GOAT PF

Sssmush
12-10-2012, 04:10 PM
it's not like Griffin isn't sufficiently hyped.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, his shooting percentage is 0.527 and, coincidentally, the percentage of his shots that are dunks is also exactly 0.527, so, I think that is a pretty amazing stat.

GrkGawdofWalkz
12-10-2012, 04:10 PM
Duncan, Malone, Barkley, Garnett (Rolls eyes) just to name a few laugh at you. Griffin is a one trick pony with little to offer outside of flash hitting the pan. He's talented, yes but he doesn't hit a consistent jumper and is also flawed at the free throw line.

iliketurtles24
12-10-2012, 04:27 PM
Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people I am 6'4" 245lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like to my mother in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought.What do you think. Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know.

where did this come from haha

kylem4711
12-10-2012, 04:44 PM
are you kidding? All the dude can do on a consistent basis IS DUNK. He has no polished moves, he has no touch, no finesse, no footwork, no high IQ. He's literally nothing but a dunker, that crap he throws in wont last he's not that good at all. He's a great PF and any team benefits from having him but he wont last and he's far from being GOAT anything.

F outa here with this

proof?

nba 2k11 on xbox

kylem4711
12-10-2012, 04:47 PM
Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people I am 6'4" 245lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like to my mother in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought.What do you think. Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know.

ha. is it your first time on the internet?

kylem4711
12-10-2012, 04:52 PM
He might have talent, but until he starts using it to help the Clippers win, instead of stiff arming defenders and not getting offensive fouls called on him, he's useless. It's about winning games, not making awesome dunks.

For example, where are Gerald Green and Vince Carter now?

cant believe you are still mad about blake dunking on pau...

SINCESTARBURY25
12-10-2012, 05:00 PM
Dunk dunk dunk dunk