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natsbats
10-24-2012, 01:33 PM
Home runs - 5th all time (has chance for 1st all time)

RBI - 7th all time (has chance for 1st all time)

Stolen bases - top 150 all time

Hits - top 40 all time

WAR - 12th all time


10 silver sluggers, 3 MVP's



Then factor in ARod played short stop for 11000 innings and 3B for almost 10000 innings and how much value that brings to a lineup to get those type of offensive numbers from those two positions..... I kinda think it makes for an interesting debate between he and Barry.

metswon69
10-24-2012, 01:38 PM
No it's Bonds.

2nd all time in fWAR to Ruth.

http://www.fangraphs.com/careerleaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&type=6&min=1000

2nd all time also in rWAR behind Babe Ruth.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_bat_career.shtml

7 MVPS to A-Rod's 3 MVPs.

One of the best defensive LF's of all time and 12 SS awards.

abe_froman
10-24-2012, 01:39 PM
bonds

ManningToTyree
10-24-2012, 01:47 PM
Bonds if we are overlooking roids

netsgiantsyanks
10-24-2012, 01:48 PM
barry bonds even without the roids.

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 01:49 PM
Barry Lamar Bonds

abe_froman
10-24-2012, 01:49 PM
Bonds if we are overlooking roids

obviously we are since the other nominee that was presented by the op was arod

Vixious
10-24-2012, 01:51 PM
It's Barry Bonds. There is no other answer.

SenorGato
10-24-2012, 01:55 PM
To reiterate: Its Barry Bonds.

The gap between Bonds and #2 is probably further than the gap between #2 and #3. Take the probably out actually...Barry Bonds was and still is a boss.

otatop
10-24-2012, 01:56 PM
Is natsbats a troll?

Sources say yes.

AlexStr
10-24-2012, 02:06 PM
Bonds by a longshot.

7 MVP's, 8 Gold Gloves, 12 Silver Sluggers, and oh yeah btw 514 Stolen Bases.

His career OBP of .444 is ludicrous, not to mention that 4 year stretch where his OBP numbers were: .515, .582, .529, and .609. Don't think we'll ever see that again.

Greatest player of our generation.

OpenAvalin
10-24-2012, 02:07 PM
No.
A-Rod is a giant douche

HowFit
10-24-2012, 02:08 PM
........

miller74
10-24-2012, 02:10 PM
No.
A-Rod is a giant douche

So was Ty Cobb but there is a reason people talk about him 100 years after he played.

Bo Sox Fan
10-24-2012, 02:11 PM
1. Barry Bonds
2. Albert Pujols
3. Alex Rodriguez

DodgerB24
10-24-2012, 02:11 PM
Bonds says hai.

SenorGato
10-24-2012, 02:14 PM
1. Barry Bonds
2. Albert Pujols
3. Alex Rodriguez

ARod >> Pujols

OpenAvalin
10-24-2012, 02:17 PM
ARod on steroids >> Pujols

Fixed

natsbats
10-24-2012, 02:18 PM
ARod wasn't on roids in Seattle and that was his peak, IMO.

OpenAvalin
10-24-2012, 02:19 PM
ARod wasn't on roids in Seattle and that was his peak, IMO.

Have you seen his stats in Texas???

natsbats
10-24-2012, 02:20 PM
He was a 40-40 player and 10WAR player in Seattle.

OpenAvalin
10-24-2012, 02:21 PM
And it's not a fact that he didn't take roids in Seattle... That's just what he says

Vixious
10-24-2012, 02:22 PM
And the effects of steroids last longer than just when you stop taking them. He took steroids and now his entire career should come under that scope. The same with Bonds. But regardless of any of that, Bonds is one of the greatest players of all time and hands down the greatest of our generation.

metswon69
10-24-2012, 02:22 PM
Bonds was a top 3 player with or without the steroids.

It's really a moot point to compare the players because they both took steroids at some point in their career.

SenorGato
10-24-2012, 02:23 PM
Fixed

It was right as it was.

Jeffy25
10-24-2012, 02:24 PM
Bonds

Nomar
10-24-2012, 02:24 PM
Darnell McDonald




Bonds though.

OpenAvalin
10-24-2012, 02:24 PM
It was right as it was.

If Albert Pujols was on roids his stats would smoke A-Rods. I'm feeling 70 homers

metswon69
10-24-2012, 02:25 PM
Bonds

I wouldn't argue with Jeffy, he'll give you every stat you can conceivably find that supports Bonds lol.

It's Bonds hands down.

Jeffy25
10-24-2012, 02:26 PM
ARod >> Pujols

It's actually debatable.


ARod has the defense and positional adjustment, but Pujols is the better hitter.

I'd probably give A-Rod the edge, but a lot of that is because he came up 3 years before Pujols did age wise (18 vs 21)

Nomar
10-24-2012, 02:29 PM
It's actually debatable.


ARod has the defense and positional adjustment, but Pujols is the better hitter.

I'd probably give A-Rod the edge, but a lot of that is because he came up 3 years before Pujols did age wise (18 vs 21)

If A-Rod never got traded to NY, and played SS until he no longer could, he'd be a lot farther ahead of Pujols too. He was a great defensive SS at the time he went to NY, but was moved to 3B because of the "Jeter is a good defender" stereotype.

Jeffy25
10-24-2012, 02:31 PM
If A-Rod never got traded to NY, and played SS until he no longer could, he'd be a lot farther ahead of Pujols too. He was a great defensive SS at the time he went to NY, but was moved to 3B because of the "Jeter is a good defender" stereotype.

Which was just plain stupid and silly.

But A-Rod saved more runs at third defensively than he did at short when he was moved. He lost about 5 runs per season defensively for the positional adjustment (so not that much) but he made up for that defensively because the position is easier.

It's sort of a neutral affect, but it was stupid for Jeter to not move positions

leftymo
10-24-2012, 02:33 PM
Barry Bonds...

Gold Gloves in the outfield, stolen bases, batting titles... oh and 7 MVP's.


Granted it was with performance enhancing substances, at his peak, you couldn't even throw him a strike. He'd get 2-3 strikes per game if that, and he'd still crush the ball.

His walk totals alone are impressive.


The amount of pitchers on performance enhancing substances is vastly underrated. It was roids on roids, and Barry was still the best. When he wasn't juicing, he still was the best. Either way...

sexicano31
10-24-2012, 02:37 PM
You really misspelled Barry Bonds

Luar
10-24-2012, 02:49 PM
I have to say without a doubt it is Barry Lamar Bonds. And I'm a big Arod fan but the things that Bonds did with that bat were crazy. His at bats would make me stop what I was doing just to see if theyd pitch to him and what he could do with that pitcher. He could only get 1 decent pitch all game and hed crush it. I mean get IBB with the bases loaded thats ludacris.

Pinstripe pride
10-24-2012, 02:49 PM
Yuniesky Betancourt

bagwell368
10-24-2012, 02:52 PM
If A-Rod never got traded to NY, and played SS until he no longer could, he'd be a lot farther ahead of Pujols too. He was a great defensive SS at the time he went to NY, but was moved to 3B because of the "Jeter is a good defender" stereotype.

AROD was not a great defensive SS in his prime. He was above average, and by about 2008-09 would have been well below average.

Jeter wasn't moved because he didn't want to be, not because he was great. He wasn't great. He was real good one year and good about 4 other years and brutal the rest of his career.

Halladay
10-24-2012, 03:00 PM
Voting between Arod and Bonds=Giant douche vs turd sandwich

Nomar
10-24-2012, 03:02 PM
AROD was not a great defensive SS in his prime. He was above average, and by about 2008-09 would have been well below average.


Ok maybe not great but his UZR/150 in his last two years with texas was 12.7 and 11.2

Nomar
10-24-2012, 03:05 PM
Voting between Arod and Bonds=Giant douche vs turd sandwich

I'll chose... ummmmmm... Casey Anthony.

burgh_fan66
10-24-2012, 03:20 PM
Kind of surprised that no one mentioned Roger Clemens as at least a player who deserves to be in the discussion

iam brett favre
10-24-2012, 03:48 PM
Jeter

SenorGato
10-24-2012, 03:59 PM
Kind of surprised that no one mentioned Roger Clemens as at least a player who deserves to be in the discussion

Wow. True story and much respect for throwing out a pitcher name. He's the only pitcher worthy of being thrown out but there's actually a case for him.

Nomar
10-24-2012, 04:08 PM
Wow. True story and much respect for throwing out a pitcher name. He's the only pitcher worthy of being thrown out but there's actually a case for him.

Randy Johnson and Greg Maddux might be too.

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 04:28 PM
Barry Lamar Bonds

george kenneth griffrey jr.
hes clean
unlike bonds and a-rod

popo85
10-24-2012, 04:29 PM
1. Barry Bonds
2. Albert Pujols
3. Alex Rodriguez

agreed with this

Jeffy25
10-24-2012, 04:30 PM
george kenneth griffrey jr.
hes clean
unlike bonds and a-rod

and you know this how?

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 04:33 PM
and you know this how?

a-rod admit the fact he took steroids...and bonds...are you saying that hes innocent....griffrey will be the first #1 draft pick to be in the hall of fame...its unanimous...just wait 2013 hall of fame balloting...its going to be soo nasty..i don't know what to say

Nomar
10-24-2012, 04:34 PM
a-rod admit the fact he took steroids...and bonds...are you saying that hes innocent....

Hes asking how do you know Jr. didnt take steroids.

teddygreen17
10-24-2012, 04:38 PM
Bonds, Pujols

Yankee Clipper
10-24-2012, 04:39 PM
a-rod admit the fact he took steroids...and bonds...are you saying that hes innocent....griffrey will be the first #1 draft pick to be in the hall of fame...its unanimous...just wait 2013 hall of fame balloting...its going to be soo nasty..i don't know what to say

He was referring to how you know he didn't take steroids.

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 04:40 PM
Hes asking how do you know Jr. didnt take steroids.

griffrey is in the same boat as chipper and thome....they all took their test...and came clean....i would also have to put pujols w/griffrey....and remember...griffrey was injured quite alot during his career

Nomar
10-24-2012, 04:44 PM
griffrey is in the same boat as chipper and thome....they all took their test...and came clean....i would also have to put pujols w/griffrey....and remember...griffrey was injured quite alot during his career

I don't think he was either. I love Jr.

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 04:46 PM
I don't think he was either. I love Jr.

and he wasn't really that big...he was skinny most of his career...and not only that...he was a typical athlete that declined towards the end of his career.......whether for bonds..you know the rest...

AllKohn
10-24-2012, 04:47 PM
griffrey is in the same boat as chipper and thome....they all took their test...and came clean....i would also have to put pujols w/griffrey....and remember...griffrey was injured quite alot during his career

So what your saying is, if they didn't fail a test they are clean. I'm ok with that.
That's why Bonds is the best-because he never failed a drug test-nor did Clemons for that matter.

You can't pick and choose based on "what you think might have happened."

For all we know Jeter Chipper and Jr just never got caught.

I don't think we've seen a better hitter than Bonds except maybe Pujos or Manny over the last 30 years.

HowFit
10-24-2012, 04:48 PM
griffrey is in the same boat as chipper and thome....they all took their test...and came clean....i would also have to put pujols w/griffrey....and remember...griffrey was injured quite alot during his career

Just bc a ballplayer passed a test doesn't mean he's clean...

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 04:49 PM
So what your saying is, if they didn't fail a test they are clean. I'm ok with that.
That's why Bonds is the best-because he never failed a drug test-nor did Clemons for that matter.

You can't pick and choose based on "what you think might have happened."

For all we know Jeter Chipper and Jr just never got caught.

I don't think we've seen a better hitter than Bonds except maybe Pujos or Manny over the last 30 years.

oh come on....you buy that....thats ********.....theres something called bribery...just wait till the hall of balloting starts on january

HowFit
10-24-2012, 04:49 PM
and he wasn't really that big...he was skinny most of his career...and not only that...he was a typical athlete that declined towards the end of his career.......whether for bonds..you know the rest...

Not all compounds are made for size...

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 04:50 PM
Just bc a ballplayer passed a test doesn't mean he's clean...

im sure they took multiple test

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 04:51 PM
Not all compounds are made for size...

thats why griffey is one of a kind

HowFit
10-24-2012, 04:51 PM
im sure they took multiple test

No difference brother...

metswon69
10-24-2012, 04:52 PM
im sure they took multiple test

Just because they passed multiple tests doesn't mean they are clean.

Look at Lance Armstrong all those years.

The science of PEDS are always ahead of the testing.

HowFit
10-24-2012, 04:53 PM
thats why griffey is one of a kind

He is one of a kind but what I am saying is there are compounds a player can take that help give him strength without adding any size...

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 04:54 PM
Just because they passed multiple tests doesn't mean they are clean.

Look at Lance Armstrong all those years.

The science of PEDS are always ahead of the testing.

you know what lance armstrong did....he would take blood samples and freeze it and inject it back into the bloodstream

metswon69
10-24-2012, 04:57 PM
you know what lance armstrong did....he would take blood samples and freeze it and inject it back into the bloodstream

Griffey could have been taking non detectable steroids or HGH (which they didn't test for at the time), we don't know that.

It's impossible to test for in hindsight.

R. Johnson#3
10-24-2012, 04:57 PM
Frank Menechino

HowFit
10-24-2012, 04:58 PM
you know what lance armstrong did....he would take blood samples and freeze it and inject it back into the bloodstream

:facepalm:

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 04:59 PM
No difference brother...

do you even know what steroids do to you....you need testosterone in order to build muscle...so what it does is send signals to the adrenal glands and build testosterone at a rapid pace... if you inject more steroids and your at ur max state of producing testosterone, then the side effects occur....weight gain, your gonads shrink, hair loss, etc.

PhlyHighPhilly
10-24-2012, 04:59 PM
Ken Griffey Jr.

He lost so many games to injuries and still put up one hell of a career

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:01 PM
:facepalm:

i don't know what do you mean by that...go check out...
obviously he was on PEDS...he only had 1 testicle

WadeKobe
10-24-2012, 05:01 PM
Pujols and Bonds have both been better. However, as others have stated, the gap between Bonds and Pujols is even bigger than the gap between Pujols and ARod.

No one comes close to Bonds.

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:02 PM
Ken Griffey Jr.

He lost so many games to injuries and still put up one hell of a career

ppl don't know the truth about griffey....1st ballot hall of fame

bagwell368
10-24-2012, 05:02 PM
Ok maybe not great but his UZR/150 in his last two years with texas was 12.7 and 11.2

His RField his last 3 years on Texas was: -9, +1, +8 - which is an average of zero over 3 years (physical prime ages 25, 26, 27)

He was a better SS than Jeter at that point, and might have been a good fielding SS until about '09.

However 3B has ground down AROD quite a bit, probably will cost him a shot to get to 755 HR's actually, so for his sake he should have stayed.

All academic at this point.

TRUTH-TELLER
10-24-2012, 05:04 PM
why are people using ball players middle names? it's creepy

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 05:05 PM
I wouldn't argue with Jeffy, he'll give you every stat you can conceivably find that supports Bonds lol.

It's Bonds hands down.

Haha this, trust Jeffy's word. He's the chosen 1 in regards to this.

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:05 PM
Griffey could have been taking non detectable steroids or HGH (which they didn't test for at the time), we don't know that.

It's impossible to test for in hindsight.

if u compare sizes between griffey and bonds....its not even close

Jeffy25
10-24-2012, 05:06 PM
griffrey is in the same boat as chipper and thome....they all took their test...and came clean....i would also have to put pujols w/griffrey....and remember...griffrey was injured quite alot during his career

Bonds and A-Rod never failed a test either, just like Thome, Griffey, and Jones.


The difference is that they admitted to their usage. For all we know, Griffey took roids and since he will never tell us, we will never know.

you are assuming Griffey is clean, but you have no way of knowing that.

JdKing7
10-24-2012, 05:07 PM
Barry bonds then arod for sure.

Jeffy25
10-24-2012, 05:07 PM
I can't tell if rockbottom is trolling or is genuine.

:confused:

metswon69
10-24-2012, 05:07 PM
if u compare sizes between griffey and bonds....its not even close

Griffey added considerable bulk from his earlier days in Seattle and his times in Cincinnati.

But that's really a moot point, PEDS also have effect on conditioning and recovery of normal wear and tear from a 162 game schedule.

It's not just about size.

HowFit
10-24-2012, 05:07 PM
do you even know what steroids do to you....you need testosterone in order to build muscle...so what it does is send signals to the adrenal glands and build testosterone at a rapid pace... if you inject more steroids and your at ur max state of producing testosterone, then the side effects occur....weight gain, your gonads shrink, hair loss, etc.

Let me repeat, not all compounds make you gain size. Do I need to list em in a sport forum? There's a difference in water weight, muscle and fat when it comes down to size. Diet what brings outcome of compounds you take but for what the compounds do itself, they all do different things, such as anavar, which is a hardening agent. Yes, very little muscle gain but overall, makes your body harder versus another compound such as testosterone, which makes one gain muscle mass as well as water weight depending if it's long or short ester...

HowFit
10-24-2012, 05:09 PM
Ken Griffey Jr.

He lost so many games to injuries and still put up one hell of a career

Sure thing...

Jeffy25
10-24-2012, 05:09 PM
Griffey added considerable bulk from his earlier days in Seattle and his times in Cincinnati.

But that's really a moot point, PEDS also have effect on conditioning and recovery of normal wear and tear from a 162 game schedule.

It's not just about size.

Absolutely.

Melky Cabrera is a good example, dude isn't big at all

JdKing7
10-24-2012, 05:09 PM
Barry bonds then arod for sure followed by Jr. Its crazy to think about the numbers Griffey could of had if he wasn't hampered by injuries.

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:09 PM
Bonds and A-Rod never failed a test either, just like Thome, Griffey, and Jones.


The difference is that they admitted to their usage. For all we know, Griffey took roids and since he will never tell us, we will never know.

you are assuming Griffey is clean, but you have no way of knowing that.

i have a question to ask you....would tbs, fox, or espn (heavy sources) lie about Thome, Griffey, or Jones not taking steroids......im not assuming....its a given....and if u can't admit the fact that it's true...why don't you talk about it in all three of their websites and we can debate

HowFit
10-24-2012, 05:10 PM
Griffey could have been taking non detectable steroids or HGH (which they didn't test for at the time), we don't know that.

It's impossible to test for in hindsight.

Hgh is something else and it does changes the way aas works...

Jeffy25
10-24-2012, 05:11 PM
i have a question to ask you....would tbs, fox, or espn lie about Thome, Griffey, or Jones not taking steroids......

They are the same reporters that know nothing either.

I have no idea why you asked this question. They are made up of people who just wildly assume things for no reason.


Skip Bayless is convinced that Thome took roids, so he wouldn't be voting for him in the hall of fame.

Does this mean Thome took PEDs? A guy that works for ESPN thinks so

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 05:11 PM
oh come on....you buy that....thats ********.....theres something called bribery...just wait till the hall of balloting starts on january

Well you could easily say oh you buy that griffey never tested positive? thats ********, there's something called bribery. '

Fact is both players have never tested positive steroids.

HowFit
10-24-2012, 05:11 PM
Griffey added considerable bulk from his earlier days in Seattle and his times in Cincinnati.

But that's really a moot point, PEDS also have effect on conditioning and recovery of normal wear and tear from a 162 game schedule.

It's not just about size.

Absolutely...

HowFit
10-24-2012, 05:12 PM
i have a question to ask you....would tbs, fox, or espn (heavy sources) lie about Thome, Griffey, or Jones not taking steroids......im not assuming....its a given....and if u can't admit the fact that it's true...why don't you talk about it in all three of their websites and we can debate

:facepalm:

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 05:13 PM
I can't tell if rockbottom is trolling or is genuine.

:confused:

Sadly, he's genuinely that clueless.

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:13 PM
Well you could easily say oh you buy that griffey never tested positive? thats ********, there's something called bribery. '

Fact is both players have never tested positive steroids.

just wait till january...its gonna be nasty...

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:14 PM
Sadly, he's genuinely that clueless.

stop ****ing around

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 05:14 PM
just wait till january...its gonna be nasty...

The hall of fame really doesn't prove who is the better player. Both are more than worthy of being there though.

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 05:15 PM
stop ****ing around

Get a clue before posting, thanks.

HowFit
10-24-2012, 05:15 PM
the hall of fame really doesn't prove who is the better player. Both are more than worthy of being there though.

x 2

metswon69
10-24-2012, 05:17 PM
If Bonds and A-Rod don't get in 1st ballot, it only has to do with their association to PEDs.

If they were being judged independent of those accusations, they are all 1st ballot HOFs.

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:17 PM
I can't tell if rockbottom is trolling or is genuine.

:confused:

don't get started with this trolling business

HowFit
10-24-2012, 05:19 PM
If Bonds and A-Rod don't get in 1st ballot, it only has to deal with their association to PEDs.

If they were being judged independent of those accusations, they are all 1st ballot HOFs.

I wouldn't be surprise if both don't make it in 1st ballot bc of PED accusations...

metswon69
10-24-2012, 05:20 PM
I wouldn't be surprise if both don't make it in 1st ballot bc of PED accusations...

Yeah that's the only reason why they won't get in, otherwise Bonds and A-Rod are 1st ballot HOF without question.

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:22 PM
The hall of fame really doesn't prove who is the better player. Both are more than worthy of being there though.

im not saying who the better player....its legitamate players that end up being in the hall of the fame...and babe ruth is the best player ever to the play the game...its all about the committee on what they believe..and they never liked the steroids era

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_Hall_of_Fame_balloting,_2013

just take a good look for 2013:violin:

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 05:26 PM
im not saying who the better player....its legitamate players that end up being in the hall of the fame...and babe ruth is the best player ever to the play the game...its all about the committee on what they believe..and they never liked the steroids era

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_Hall_of_Fame_balloting,_2013

just take a good look for 2013:violin:

Lol, what exactly does Babe Ruth have to do with this? That's all your opinion on legitimate players ending up in there, the hall of fame selection process can be taken with a grain of salt. I've never much cared for their process because they've turned into the moral hall of fame.

sep11ie
10-24-2012, 05:26 PM
Bonds baby, all day

Rush
10-24-2012, 05:32 PM
:laugh:

(takes a seat)

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:33 PM
Lol, what exactly does Babe Ruth have to do with this? That's all your opinion on legitimate players ending up in there, the hall of fame selection process can be taken with a grain of salt. I've never much cared for their process because they've turned into the moral hall of fame.

so why do players get pissed off of not being voted into the hall of fame...thats why players like mcgwire and a-rod admitted that they took steroids in order to have better chances to be in the hall of fame...thats what it is.....and if u don't care about the hall of fame, basketball, football, and hockey shouldn't have one....which is the stupidest idea ever on ur behalf

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 05:36 PM
so why do players get pissed off of not being voted into the hall of fame...thats why players like mcgwire and a-rod admitted that they took steroids in order to have better chances to be in the hall of fame...thats what it is.....and if u don't care about the hall of fame, basketball, football, and hockey shouldn't have one....which is the stupidest idea ever on ur behalf

Because they're being voted in/out by clueless people? Roberto Alomaro should have been a 1st ballot hof no question and was voted out by a guy because he spit on an umpire years ago. Reading comprehension goes a long way, I didn't say I don't care about the hall of fame, I said I don't like the selection process. Big difference.

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:40 PM
Because they're being voted in/out by clueless people? Roberto Alomaro should have been a 1st ballot hof no question and was voted out by a guy because he spit on an umpire years ago. Reading comprehension goes a long way, I didn't say I don't care about the hall of fame, I said I don't like the selection process. Big difference.

your comprehension goes to the ice ages.....u said it loud and clear that there shouldn't be a hall of fame...and now ur changing the topic...goof

WadeKobe
10-24-2012, 05:42 PM
ppl don't know the truth about griffey....1st ballot hall of fame

Ken Griffey Jr.

He lost so many games to injuries and still put up one hell of a career

Griffey was never as good as Bonds, Pujols, or ARod. In fact, he was never really even close to them.

Rush
10-24-2012, 05:42 PM
Ya. What a dumb truck.

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 05:43 PM
Well you could easily say oh you buy that griffey never tested positive? thats ********, there's something called bribery. '

Fact is both players have never tested positive steroids.


Sadly, he's genuinely that clueless.


The hall of fame really doesn't prove who is the better player. Both are more than worthy of being there though.


Get a clue before posting, thanks.


Lol, what exactly does Babe Ruth have to do with this? That's all your opinion on legitimate players ending up in there, the hall of fame selection process can be taken with a grain of salt. I've never much cared for their process because they've turned into the moral hall of fame.


Because they're being voted in/out by clueless people? Roberto Alomaro should have been a 1st ballot hof no question and was voted out by a guy because he spit on an umpire years ago. Reading comprehension goes a long way, I didn't say I don't care about the hall of fame, I said I don't like the selection process. Big difference.


your comprehension goes to the ice ages.....u said it loud and clear that there shouldn't be a hall of fame...and now ur changing the topic...goof

Here's all my replies in this thread to you, feel free to point out where I said that there shouldn't be a hall of fame. I'll wait.

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:43 PM
Griffey was never as good as Bonds, Pujols, or ARod. In fact, he was never really even close to them.

bonds and a-rods numbers don't count.....pujols...we'll see once his career is over....

Rush
10-24-2012, 05:44 PM
your comprehension goes to the ice ages.....u said it loud and clear that there shouldn't be a hall of fame...and now ur changing the topic...goof

Where did he say there shouldn't be a Hall of Fame? In this post below, can you point out where he said that? I'd greatly appreciate it. :up:


Lol, what exactly does Babe Ruth have to do with this? That's all your opinion on legitimate players ending up in there, the hall of fame selection process can be taken with a grain of salt. I've never much cared for their process because they've turned into the moral hall of fame.

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:44 PM
Here's all my replies in this thread to you, feel free to point out where I said that there shouldn't be a hall of fame. I'll wait.

ur indirectly sayin that there should be one.....so therefore, all of the above

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 05:44 PM
In what world don't their numbers count?

Rush
10-24-2012, 05:45 PM
Here's all my replies in this thread to you, feel free to point out where I said that there shouldn't be a hall of fame. I'll wait.

Shut up you dumb truck.

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 05:45 PM
ur indirectly sayin that there should be one.....so therefore, all of the above

I'm not indirectly saying anything, just as I thought, you really are clueless.

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:46 PM
Where did he say there shouldn't be a Hall of Fame? In this post below, can you point out where he said that? I'd greatly appreciate it. :up:

This is a AB conversation...no Cs

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 05:46 PM
Shut up you dumb truck.

:cry:

Rush
10-24-2012, 05:47 PM
This is a AB conversation...no Cs

:sad2:


P.S. This is *an* AB conversation.

HowFit
10-24-2012, 05:48 PM
Why did I come back in here?

WadeKobe
10-24-2012, 05:48 PM
Barry bonds then arod for sure followed by Jr. Its crazy to think about the numbers Griffey could of had if he wasn't hampered by injuries.

:facepalm: Griffey and ARod above Pujols?

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:48 PM
I'm not indirectly saying anything, just as I thought, you really are clueless.

ur the one who is point fingers at the committee....that shows that u don't want to have one.....if u show some positives....different story

Rush
10-24-2012, 05:48 PM
Why did I come back in here?

Because you wanted to be amused.

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:49 PM
Shut up you dumb truck.

stop biting my lines u goof troop with no brain

HowFit
10-24-2012, 05:51 PM
Because you wanted to be amused.

:eyebrow:

Rush
10-24-2012, 05:51 PM
stop biting my lines u goof troop with no brain

It's a tribute to you. I thought you'd appreciate it.

What's a goof troop, you befuddled puddle?

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 05:51 PM
ur the one who is point fingers at the committee....that shows that u don't want to have one.....if u show some positives....different story

The committee isn't the hall of fame, thank you for proving my point. I said i'm not a fan of the selection process and gave you the Roberto Alomar incident as a reason why, not once did I say I didn't want a hall of fame.

HowFit
10-24-2012, 05:51 PM
stop biting my lines u goof troop with no brain

:speechless: that scared me...

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:53 PM
The committee isn't the hall of fame, thank you for proving my point. I said i'm not a fan of the selection process and gave you the Roberto Alomar incident as a reason why, not once did I say I didn't want a hall of fame.

do you know what indirectly means....

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:53 PM
It's a tribute to you. I thought you'd appreciate it.

What's a goof troop, you befuddled puddle?

stop trucking

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 05:54 PM
Yes, do you know I'm directly saying I want a hall of fame and don't like the selection process?

Have a nice day, Tyrone :)

Rush
10-24-2012, 05:54 PM
stop trucking

Stop ducking trucking you boob tube.

Rush
10-24-2012, 05:55 PM
HEEEYYYYY YOU GUYYSSS!!!!

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m89kl5UlQb1rsxaw8o1_500.jpg

c

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:55 PM
Yes, do you know I'm directly saying I want a hall of fame and don't like the selection process?

Have a nice day, Tyrone :)

no u don't want to have the hall of fame and i could tell

good day messy snipes

WadeKobe
10-24-2012, 05:56 PM
bonds and a-rods numbers don't count.....pujols...we'll see once his career is over....

ARod admitted to when he took roids.

Bonds, if he used, we have a pretty clear indication of when he used.... starting in 2001.

His production was steady throughout his entire career, without ever dropping off, then, at age 35, it got significantly better. This coincided with a weight gain of about 15 lbs. If you want to posit that he had used steroids up until that point, then you're going to have to suggest a theory explaining why he -- at age 35 -- suddenly saw results from steroids and working out that he didn't see at 25 with steroids and working out, when he was in his physical prime.

It's ludicrous. If he started using, then he started using in 2000-2001. That means he was clean before then.

Up until 2000, how did his numbers look? Better than anything Griffey could even dream of.

I am sick and tired of the stupidity. Either think a little, or stop commenting.

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:57 PM
Stop ducking trucking you boob tube.

stop eating your garbage oscar and oh ya...
stop squeezing ur boobies...i could see the squirt marks on ur post :speechless:

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 05:58 PM
no u don't want to have the hall of fame and i could tell

good day messy snipes

Ok, believe what you want.

I hope you're making a difference in the world with your MD.

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 05:59 PM
Ok, believe what you want.

I hope you're making a difference in the world with your MD.

good luck finding a job with ur soon to be associates degree

Rush
10-24-2012, 05:59 PM
stop eating your garbage oscar and oh ya...
stop squeezing ur boobies...i could see the squirt marks on ur post :speechless:

Send me you number I'll show you a tit pic. I know you want to.

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 06:01 PM
Send me you number I'll show you a tit pic. I know you want to.

who said that u were a woman......unless you prove it.......therefore...no homo

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 06:02 PM
good luck finding a job with ur soon to be associates degree

Been in the military for 4 years, but thanks :)

otatop
10-24-2012, 06:02 PM
who said that u were a woman......unless you prove it.......therefore...no homo

You...said...it...indirectly.

jej
10-24-2012, 06:02 PM
No, its obviously Miguel Cabrera.

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 06:05 PM
No, its obviously Miguel Cabrera.

tehz triple crown! :worthy:

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 06:05 PM
Been in the military for 4 years, but thanks :)

i know a guy who was in the army

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 06:06 PM
You...said...it...indirectly.

i make my stories mysterious

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 06:13 PM
i know a guy who was in the army

I'm in the Navy, got a few friends in the army as well.

rockbottom2010
10-24-2012, 06:16 PM
I'm in the Navy, got a few friends in the army as well.

:cool:

HowFit
10-24-2012, 06:16 PM
Wow, best thread ever!

Greedy22
10-24-2012, 06:19 PM
Wow, best thread ever!

:laugh2:

BLACK ICE
10-24-2012, 06:19 PM
Not sure if anyone else feels this way, but I'm going with Bonds!!!! A-Rod gets the nod for the most facial makeup worn the last 25 years though. What a ***...

StriveGreatness
10-24-2012, 06:38 PM
No. IMO, Mike Trout is.

Jeffy25
10-24-2012, 06:48 PM
This is so off-topic and horrible