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wordup45
10-23-2012, 05:36 PM
This guy used to be anywhere from a .280-.300 hitter until 2010, on where he hit .256, .248, and .251. What do you think were the contributing factors? He was only like 30 going into 2010 so I don't want to assume age yet. Was it the shift that defenses apply to him? Or maybe something else? Thoughts.

sf-fanatic
10-23-2012, 05:38 PM
He didn't take the PEDs that Scutaroid and Melky are taking.

SenorGato
10-23-2012, 05:38 PM
This is a complete mystery to me too. I hear its due to trying to pull everything at Yankee Stadium, but I just dont get it.

That said, clearly it has something to do with his contract so I figure Ill be the first to bring it up.

metswon69
10-23-2012, 05:41 PM
He's become too home run happy in that ballpark (especially from the left side), it also has to do with more of the advanced scouting on how to shift him more accurately.

His swing is more consistent from the right side.

It's not just BA, his OBP has dropped from .383 in 2009 to .332 this year which indicates he probably hasn't been as patient at the plate.

I mean he is 32 now (will be 33 in April), he is past his prime of his days in Texas and Atlanta.

Nomar
10-23-2012, 05:43 PM
His BABIP has fallen off of the face of the planet. I can't find concrete evidence in his GB, LD, and FB rates though. Weaker line drives maybe? Hard to say.

jd25213
10-23-2012, 05:43 PM
This is a complete mystery to me too. I hear its due to trying to pull everything at Yankee Stadium, but I just dont get it.

That said, clearly it has something to do with his contract so I figure Ill be the first to bring it up.

It's because he wants to be a pull happy slugger. Another example is Granderson.

FortDetroit
10-23-2012, 05:59 PM
batting average doesnt matter

Havoc Wreaker
10-23-2012, 06:01 PM
http://tinyurl.com/8qwaofm

This is a nice article on what has happened to him

bagwell368
10-23-2012, 06:10 PM
batting average doesnt matter

It surely does to his OBP if his BB% stays the same. It does to his SLG too.

bosox3431
10-23-2012, 06:11 PM
This year, idk. But 2010 and 2011 it was mainly he cant hit righties any more. Look at his splits from 07-09 and his splits from 10-12.

BackyardRounder
10-23-2012, 06:22 PM
It's probably a combination of the shift robbing him of hits and him being less selective. The amount of times he swings at pitches outside the strike zone has increased significantly.

Percentage of pitches he swings at outside of the strike zone, compared to his AVG.
2008 - 20.1%, .308
2009 - 21.8%, .292
2010 - 26.5%, .256
2011 - 27.8%, .248
2012 - 27.2%, .251

Young2Kinsler
10-23-2012, 06:22 PM
He went to play for the Devil

LASportsFan1996
10-23-2012, 06:26 PM
He didn't take the PEDs that Scutaroid and Melky are taking.

Pretty much this

Fly
10-23-2012, 06:26 PM
He went to play for the Devil

:laugh:

hugepatsfan
10-23-2012, 06:27 PM
Off the top of my head I'd say it's because he always tries to lift a ****ing fly ball to RF instead of hitting line drives. Hence the drop in BABIP and batting average as a result.

JdKing7
10-23-2012, 06:30 PM
The shift and being pull happy in yankees stadium aiming for the short porch. Instead of taking pitches on the outside of the plate to opposite field he tries to pull them and hits little dribblers into the shift.

KingPosey
10-23-2012, 06:38 PM
I have noticed its a trend in NY when these power hitters sign. Their averages take a **** and they keep swinging for the fences.

metswon69
10-23-2012, 06:39 PM
The LH power hitters especially, they fall in love with the short RF porch.

It's easy to become home run happy in Yankee Stadium, it's a bandbox.

ciaban
10-23-2012, 06:50 PM
im really glad the yankees took him off our hands, because we don't have that contract, and we got their draft pick which we used to take mike trout

popo85
10-23-2012, 06:51 PM
He's become too home run happy in that ballpark (especially from the left side), it also has to do with more of the advanced scouting on how to shift him more accurately.


Same thing with Granderson who in Detroit would hit the ball to all fields for homers, triples and doubles is now a swing for the fences or miss player.

MetsFanatic19
10-23-2012, 07:03 PM
Playing in a park like Yankee Stadium, every lefty tends to try a little harder to get the ball in the air.

Greedy22
10-23-2012, 07:20 PM
He went to play for the Devil

lolz :laugh:

Jeffy25
10-23-2012, 07:23 PM
Other than 2012, he has had a lot less ground balls per fly ball, which is a huge factor in lowering a players batting average.

It was back up this year though.

Halladay
10-23-2012, 07:24 PM
batting average doesnt matter

Oh I get it, because of the triple crown?

KingPosey
10-23-2012, 07:26 PM
look at every all star level or near all star level power hitter the Yankees have gotten since the 90s, you will notice the EXACT same trend, in their numbers across the board.

Its got to be something to do with being in a line up with several other BIG bats like that. They all lean on the long ball, and their high/ moderately high averages AVGs drop. Giambi, Arod, Grandy, Tex, Sheff (not as drastic), it just happens when you are on a team built to live off the long ball.

metswon69
10-23-2012, 07:28 PM
look at every all star level or near all star level power hitter the Yankees have gotten since the 90s, you will notice the EXACT same trend, in their numbers across the board.

The old ballpark was similar but those players like Bernie, O'Neill, Knoblauch, Brosius weren't home run happy.

They had guys like Cecil Fielder and Tino that were but not to the quantity or extent that these Yankee rosters do.

Jeffy25
10-23-2012, 07:40 PM
Batting average history vs wOBA history

2003
.259 - .347

2004
.281 - .388

2005
.301 - .404

2006
.282 - .374

2007
.306 - .407

2008
.308 - .410

2009
.292 - .402

2010
.256 - .369

2011
.248 - .361

2012
.252 - .345


He is very clearly regressing.

There had been a huge decrease in his ground ball rate, likely from trying to be a power hitter. But this year it came back, but it looks like he just kept rolling over on the ball and hitting weak ground balls.

metswon69
10-23-2012, 07:43 PM
Yeah having watched enough Yankee games (my ex being a huge Yankees fan) he would just hit a lot of weak grounders to 1st and 2nd.

Aside from 2009, he just seems a little more impatient at the plate too where he is swinging at alot more pitches out of the strike zone.

Yankee Clipper
10-23-2012, 07:43 PM
There had been a huge decrease in his ground ball rate, likely from trying to be a power hitter. But this year it came back, but it looks like he just kept rolling over on the ball and hitting weak ground balls.

Yup. Absolutely refuses to hit the ball to the opposite field as a left handed batter. He is a little bit better in hitting it the opposite way as a right handed batter due to the fact that his swing is much less of an uppercut compared to the other side.

xxplayerxx23
10-23-2012, 08:28 PM
What is batting average?

BackyardRounder
10-23-2012, 08:46 PM
What is batting average?

I think it's something they used to publish in the papers.

baseballguy247
10-24-2012, 06:03 AM
He's become too home run happy in that ballpark (especially from the left side)
^
this

Halladay
10-24-2012, 06:07 AM
What is batting average?

There are only 3 statistics in baseball that should even be mentioned. Batting average is one of them.

thefeckcampaign
10-24-2012, 08:04 AM
batting average doesnt matterBa Dap Bump.

I was wondering how long before I saw this.

Pinstripe pride
10-24-2012, 08:46 AM
he caught yankee fever

Yankees90.
10-24-2012, 10:26 AM
Easy.

- He has become more of a pull hitter since coming to YS.

-As a result of becoming a pull hitter, the shift that is done by pretty much every team when he bats as absolutely killed him in the hits department.

I've seen balls scorched from Texeira only to see the 2nd Basemen in short RF catch it with ease. He HAS to try hitting the ball the other way. If he can get the hang of that, and teams stop shifting, then he can pull all he wants.

dodgerdave
10-25-2012, 05:32 PM
This guy used to be anywhere from a .280-.300 hitter until 2010, on where he hit .256, .248, and .251. What do you think were the contributing factors? He was only like 30 going into 2010 so I don't want to assume age yet. Was it the shift that defenses apply to him? Or maybe something else? Thoughts.

The same thing happened with Giambi. He became an extreme three-outcome hitter starting in 2003. Maybe that short porch in RF is so enticing that they become dead pull hitters.

Lakers + Giants
10-25-2012, 05:44 PM
He didn't take the PEDs that Scutaroid and Melky are taking.

i was going to post that!:laugh2:

BrianWestKins
10-25-2012, 05:45 PM
He became extremely pull happy. You never used to see a shift for him, now that's all you see