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Krush
10-23-2012, 03:28 AM
I would have to go with the guy that started it all. Hideo Nomo, ROY, and 2 No-Hitters, including one in Coors Field.

Greedy22
10-23-2012, 03:37 AM
I'd take Hideki Matsui 2 time All-Star, WS champion, and WS MVP. .282/.360/.462 career slash line with a career .357 wOBA and 119 wRC+

NYYCowboys
10-23-2012, 03:46 AM
I'd take Hideki Matsui 2 time All-Star, WS champion, and WS MVP. .282/.360/.462 career slash line with a career .357 wOBA and 119 wRC+

This. There is no other answer.

Halladay
10-23-2012, 03:48 AM
Igawa or Matsuzaka

Greedy22
10-23-2012, 03:52 AM
Igawa or Matsuzaka

:laugh:

Halladay
10-23-2012, 04:12 AM
:laugh:

He throws 18 different pitches you know.

HowFit
10-23-2012, 04:16 AM
Matsui...

Greedy22
10-23-2012, 04:16 AM
He throws 18 different pitches you know.

well, he only needs 4 to walk a guy.

Vixious
10-23-2012, 04:31 AM
well, he only needs 4 to walk a guy.

:laugh2: :clap:

Leandres_sf
10-23-2012, 04:34 AM
As most others have said, it's Matsui.

Stress
10-23-2012, 04:42 AM
It's Matsui. Nomo is close.

Yankees90.
10-23-2012, 05:02 AM
Matsui

CheeznWingz
10-23-2012, 05:12 AM
Matsui. Will give Nomo props though, he was scary good when he first came in, plus throwing a no hitter in each league is pretty good.

WadeKobe
10-23-2012, 06:27 AM
Nomo for me.

JNA17
10-23-2012, 06:29 AM
Matsui. Him and Ichiro paired up in their primes would have been fun to watch.

Halladay
10-23-2012, 06:43 AM
well, he only needs 4 to walk a guy.

It's only a walk when he says it's a walk.

JermanJaysFan
10-23-2012, 07:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GIEHPGj9sI&feature=g-like

HowFit
10-23-2012, 07:10 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GIEHPGj9sI&feature=g-like

LoooooooL!

rockbottom2010
10-23-2012, 07:26 AM
kazuhiro sasaki
Major League 228 223⅓ 7 16 129 242 3.14
he's number 2 w/o question

yu darvish will be #2 when it's all said and done

runnermjr1296
10-23-2012, 08:52 AM
Godzilla!

Pinstripe pride
10-23-2012, 08:55 AM
godzilla pretty easy here

R. Johnson#3
10-23-2012, 08:56 AM
Hideki




















Irabu

jej
10-23-2012, 09:27 AM
That 2nd baseman for the White Sox World Series team that left thr planet next season.

bagwell368
10-23-2012, 09:31 AM
Masanori Murakami

The first Japanese born player to play in the US in 1965 for the Giants.

WhiteWesWelker
10-23-2012, 11:01 AM
So, who is the second greatest asian MLB player ever?

jmoney23
10-23-2012, 12:01 PM
Hideki




















Irabu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzeuvZc1KI8

Young2Kinsler
10-23-2012, 12:01 PM
His name is Yu Darvish

ManningToTyree
10-23-2012, 12:05 PM
Matsui

metswon69
10-23-2012, 12:14 PM
Kazuo Matsui

Tkais9009
10-23-2012, 12:15 PM
So Taguchi.... DUH!

metswon69
10-23-2012, 12:21 PM
Mac Suzuki

VRP723
10-23-2012, 12:24 PM
Not second best, but probably the most underrated player of the past ~5 years

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6021&position=P

KingPosey
10-23-2012, 12:30 PM
Uchiyama (Ken Takakura), look up his stats the year he set the consecutive hr games record.

Greedy22
10-23-2012, 12:35 PM
Uchiyama (Ken Takakura), look up his stats the year he set the hr record. he didn't play in the major leagues.

Kutchie03
10-23-2012, 12:36 PM
So. Taguchi.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=so+taguchi&oq=so+taguchi&gs_l=youtube.3..0l2.116.1183.0.1637.10.6.0.3.3.0.1 71.557.3j3.6.0...0.0...1ac.1.IQ1QQ6MADfo

JLynn943
10-23-2012, 12:55 PM
Kazuo Matsui

this. Kazmanian Devil > all

lvlheaded
10-23-2012, 01:16 PM
Matsui followed closely by Nomo. After that it doesn't really matter :shrug:

Yagyu+
10-23-2012, 03:27 PM
Hiroki Kuroda should be in the discussion.


rWAR fWAR AVG Seasons
Kuroda 14.3 15.8 15.1 5
Matsui 18.6 14.0 16.3 10
Nomo 19.6 24.9 22.3 12
Suzuki 54.6 55.8 55.2 12

todu82
10-23-2012, 03:38 PM
Matsui for me as well.

Black Betsy
10-23-2012, 04:34 PM
Byung-hyun Kim

BrianWestKins
10-23-2012, 04:39 PM
Matsui

Gibby23
10-23-2012, 05:10 PM
Hee Seop Choi

hugepatsfan
10-23-2012, 05:30 PM
Miguel Cabrera is the best Latino and Asian player... like ever.

SenorGato
10-23-2012, 05:36 PM
Surprised at how long it took for Kuroda to get some love.

VenezuelanMet
10-23-2012, 05:38 PM
I'd take Nomo over Matsui.

Darvish will win the Cy next year, though. And make this an easy choice.

Black Betsy
10-23-2012, 05:42 PM
Hee Seop Choi

Agreed.

Fly
10-23-2012, 06:31 PM
Hideki Matsui for me. Great player.

metswon69
10-23-2012, 06:33 PM
Masato Yoshii

metswon69
10-23-2012, 06:40 PM
Taka Tanaka

http://natslose100.webs.com/marbles4.jpg

Buckwheat
10-23-2012, 06:43 PM
Kuroda and Hideki

LASportsFan1996
10-23-2012, 06:51 PM
Tsuyoshi Shinjo

LASportsFan1996
10-23-2012, 06:52 PM
Byung-hyun Kim

This. Don't ask me why but he was one of my favorite players, I guess I was amused by the way he pitched

Farsight
10-23-2012, 06:58 PM
Shin-Soo Choo anyone?, id gladly take him over Matsui. He posses a career wOBA of 369. He has been an above average defender throughout his career (other than this year), and hes still playing... I think a lot of people are just thinking of Japanese players. The title of the thread is best Asian players, and Choo fits the bill as hes from South Korea.

MetsFanatic19
10-23-2012, 07:02 PM
Hideki.

Fly
10-23-2012, 07:02 PM
Shin-Soo Choo anyone?, id gladly take him over Matsui. He posses a career wOBA of 369. He has been an above average defender throughout his career (other than this year), and hes still playing... I think a lot of people are just thinking of Japanese players. The title of the thread is best Asian players, and Choo fits the bill as hes from South Korea.

He's only played 3 full seasons.. calm down..

metswon69
10-23-2012, 07:03 PM
No votes for Taka?

You guys have no marbles...

http://natslose100.webs.com/marbles4.jpg

Farsight
10-23-2012, 07:11 PM
He's only played 3 full seasons.. calm down.. And he has arguably been more valuable to his team than Matsui has in his 10 seasons. We are talking about their careers in the MLB, not in the NPB/MLB. Plus when you factor in that Choo is only 30 and Matsui is done, its pretty obviously.

Bravo95
10-23-2012, 07:20 PM
Choo or Matsui. And Kawakami was the worst.

jayball41
10-23-2012, 07:27 PM
Hideo Nomo by a landslide...

kingmatsundin
10-23-2012, 07:29 PM
Shigetoshi Hasegawa

Byung-Hyun Kim!

BKLYNpigeon
10-23-2012, 07:32 PM
uhhh.... its clearly Jeremy Lin.

UPRock
10-23-2012, 07:45 PM
Yao Ming.

"Ace"
10-23-2012, 07:52 PM
Shigetoshi Hasegawa

Byung-Hyun Kim!

:D I am amuse you guys remember Kim he was good from 2001-2003 he was cool.

BackyardRounder
10-23-2012, 09:04 PM
I would have thought Matsui as well. But according to WAR, Nomo, Choo, Park and Kuroda have had better MLB careers.

Farsight
10-23-2012, 10:11 PM
I would have thought Matsui as well. But according to WAR, Nomo, Choo, Park and Kuroda have had better MLB careers. I dont believe you are using WAR correctly. Just because someone has a higher career WAR than someone, doesnt necessarily mean they had a "better career" or were a "better player" .If one player has an amazing peak, say for 4-5 years, than for some reason, his career is cut short, but another player was above average for say 15 years... He might have a better career WAR. This however,doesnt necessarily mean that they had a better career, just means that they had great longevity

jej
10-23-2012, 10:44 PM
Defense hurts Hideki too

BackyardRounder
10-23-2012, 10:54 PM
I dont believe you are using WAR correctly. Just because someone has a higher career WAR than someone, doesnt necessarily mean they had a "better career" or were a "better player" .If one player has an amazing peak, say for 4-5 years, than for some reason, his career is cut short, but another player was above average for say 15 years... He might have a better career WAR. This however,doesnt necessarily mean that they had a better career, just means that they had great longevity

Matsui is a great example of a player who was mediocre year after year and derived his overall WAR value from longevity. His career high single season WAR was 3. So I don't what what the issue is in using overall WAR value.

kmo429
10-23-2012, 10:54 PM
Kaz Matsui

Farsight
10-23-2012, 11:20 PM
Matsui is a great example of a player who was mediocre year after year and derived his overall WAR value from longevity. His career high single season WAR was 3. So I don't what what the issue is in using overall WAR value. I agreed with what you stated, but the matter of fact is there are many issue with WAR. Also, the way you made a decision with such certainty based on WAR, is what stuck out to me. The fact that UZR is a really flawed stat, but is so prominent in WAR calculations is an issue. Matsui was forsure a poor defender, but i think his 2003-2005 seasons are really undervalued due to the flaws of UZR and how its calculated. Realistically, he was a better player than his WAR probably indicates. Heres an article explaining the flaws on UZR.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Everything-you-always-wanted-to-know-about-UZR?urn=mlb,212311

BackyardRounder
10-23-2012, 11:29 PM
I agreed with what you stated, but the matter of fact is there are many issue with WAR. Also, the way you made a decision with such certainty based on WAR, is what stuck out to me. The fact that UZR is a really flawed stat, but is so prominent in WAR calculations is an issue. Matsui was forsure a poor defender, but i think his 2003-2005 seasons are really undervalued due to the flaws of UZR and how its calculated. Realistically, he was a better player than his WAR probably indicates. Heres an article explaining the flaws on UZR.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Everything-you-always-wanted-to-know-about-UZR?urn=mlb,212311

I said, "according to WAR", I didn't state it as a fact that those players had better careers. Next time I'll say, "WAR suggests" to avoid any confusion.

The Boztalian
10-23-2012, 11:40 PM
:laugh:

Its funny that matsuzaka made you laugh over Igawa. Matsuzakas atrocious but igawa was a waste of life

SACNYY
10-24-2012, 02:22 AM
Hideki Matsui!

SexiAlexi
10-24-2012, 08:13 AM
Hee-seop Choi

Pinstripe pride
10-24-2012, 08:38 AM
Taka Tanaka

http://natslose100.webs.com/marbles4.jpg

how could i forget him! probally becaus ethey said after ichiro, and taka is clearly ahead of him

Nomar
10-24-2012, 11:26 AM
Hines Ward

Scully in 2012
10-24-2012, 11:39 AM
Mike Piazza

Ill21
10-24-2012, 11:43 AM
Matsui

agureghian
10-24-2012, 12:04 PM
its close between Matsui and Nomo.

Matsui probably has the slight edge.

Hawkize31
10-24-2012, 12:22 PM
Kosuke Fukudome

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AsfanSince99
10-24-2012, 12:51 PM
I agree, it's Matsuii.

I think he played 2 years, too long.

1903
10-24-2012, 01:23 PM
Kei Igawa.

Pinstripe pride
10-24-2012, 01:27 PM
ryan vogelsong

Nomar
10-24-2012, 03:07 PM
Just to be sure. We're talking about Kaz Matsui, right? Best asian player on opening day of all time.

metswon69
10-24-2012, 03:11 PM
Just to be sure. We're talking about Kaz Matsui, right? Best asian player on opening day of all time.

I brought him up sarcastically earlier in this thread but let's please not talk about Kazuo Matsui.

Every time i think of him i want to :puke: and :cry:

Nomar
10-24-2012, 03:17 PM
I brought him up sarcastically earlier in this thread but let's please not talk about Kazuo Matsui.

Every time i think of him i want to :puke: and :cry:

The hype was well deserved. ;)

metswon69
10-24-2012, 08:57 PM
The hype was well deserved. ;)

The best part of Kazuo was i remember the first spring training he had with the Mets, they mentioned he didn't know how to field a ball backhanded.

I knew we were in trouble then.

Interesting stat though, according to Elias Sports Bureau he is the only player in MLB player history to homer in his first plate appearances in 3 consecutive seasons.

Yankee Clipper
10-24-2012, 09:35 PM
Hideki Matsui. Such a professional hitter. Miss that guy.