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LoveMeOrHateMe
10-22-2012, 04:14 PM
Receive before he retires? That's with the logic that he keeps up the stats he had last year or improves on them for the rest of his career?

popo85
10-22-2012, 04:14 PM
I will say 4 for now lol

MetsFanatic19
10-22-2012, 04:15 PM
If he keeps up the stats from this year for the rest of his career, he will win a whole lot of 'em

That's the trick. Who knows if he'll ever be this good again, or how much better will he actually get?

I say he gets 4 to maybe even 6.

LoveMeOrHateMe
10-22-2012, 04:16 PM
If he wins it this year ill say 5 if he doesn't then 4!

I chose 5 lol but realistically probably 3-4

Pinstripe pride
10-22-2012, 04:16 PM
none this year

sexicano31
10-22-2012, 04:18 PM
3

Yankee Clipper
10-22-2012, 04:26 PM
I'll go with 4.

DodgerB24
10-22-2012, 04:28 PM
I'll go high and say 4.

thrice4
10-22-2012, 04:31 PM
At least one

Fly
10-22-2012, 04:51 PM
4

HowFit
10-22-2012, 04:51 PM
Maybe one...

Nomar
10-22-2012, 04:59 PM
I say 1, and maybe 0 if he doesnt win it this year. I dont think he'll hit 30 HRs annually and judging by his BABIP his average will definitely go down.

Fly
10-22-2012, 05:03 PM
I say 1, and maybe 0 if he doesnt win it this year. I dont think he'll hit 30 HRs annually and judging by his BABIP his average will definitely go down.

He can sustain a consistently high BABIP, though, with how fast he is.

metswon69
10-22-2012, 05:05 PM
Multiple.

I think his power will only get better with a better understanding of pitching in the NL West.

The kid is only 20 years old, he still has a lot of room for growth at the plate.

Jeffy25
10-22-2012, 05:25 PM
If he manages to improve on his numbers, he will be the greatest player of all time.


That's how unlikely it is to happen.

Trout is really special, no question. But he is still very young, and the league will adjust to him. How he adjusts back will determine the caliber ball player he will end up being.

Too hard to predict the kids career.

Jeffy25
10-22-2012, 05:25 PM
Multiple.

I think his power will only get better with a better understanding of pitching in the NL West.

The kid is only 20 years old, he still has a lot of room for growth at the plate.

The Angels are in the NL West?:p

metswon69
10-22-2012, 05:29 PM
The Angels are in the NL West?:p

Oops typo :D

sexicano31
10-22-2012, 05:30 PM
He will win every MVP for the next 20 years. So 40

Nomar
10-22-2012, 05:40 PM
He can sustain a consistently high BABIP, though, with how fast he is.

Have you seen his BABIP? .380 is unsustainable. .340, sure. That will still impact his numbers. He's a great player, but i dont think he'll have another perfect year where all of his tools show greatly and nothing goes wrong for him. Maybe he'll prove me wrong though.

natepro
10-22-2012, 05:54 PM
The Angels are in the NL West?:p

We've decided to just trade places with the Astros.

natsbats
10-22-2012, 06:04 PM
I think he'll be a year in year out .900 OPS, 370 wOBA, 140 wRC gold glove center fielder with the occasional spike in numbers.

Still a HOF player, but what he did this year might not happen in his career again.

Oldmantrash
10-22-2012, 06:17 PM
Have you seen his BABIP? .380 is unsustainable. .340, sure. That will still impact his numbers. He's a great player, but i dont think he'll have another perfect year where all of his tools show greatly and nothing goes wrong for him. Maybe he'll prove me wrong though.

Say "excuse me" when you BABIP, it's the polite thing to do.

todu82
10-22-2012, 06:22 PM
I think he wins 3.

StriveGreatness
10-22-2012, 06:25 PM
Zero.

Fly
10-22-2012, 06:26 PM
Zero.

:rolleyes:

bagwell368
10-22-2012, 06:36 PM
Go look at Al Kaline in 1955 at age 20, or Fred Lynn in 1975 at age 23, or Herb Score at age 23 in 1956

Both players had better years later, but somehow they never quite hit the expectations held out for them. Score got hit by a line drive and was never the same.

R. Johnson#3
10-22-2012, 06:41 PM
26

Jeffy25
10-22-2012, 07:14 PM
Have you seen his BABIP? .380 is unsustainable. .340, sure. That will still impact his numbers. He's a great player, but i dont think he'll have another perfect year where all of his tools show greatly and nothing goes wrong for him. Maybe he'll prove me wrong though.

Some players, depending on contact rate, line drive rate, ground ball rate, and speed, can sustain babip's as high as .350+ over a large period of time, but as they age, it will diminish.

I see Trout being a .350-.360 babip for the next few seasons at least. He carries a very high line drive rate and good ground ball rate for a guy that can carry 30 home runs and his speed.

As he adds weight and power, it will surely drop a little, but nothing depressing.

natsbats
10-22-2012, 07:19 PM
Trout can also sustain a loss in BABIP and retain most of his value by improving one area, strikeouts. He strikes out quite a bit, he should be able to create less outs by strikeout thus putting the ball in play more.

More-Than-Most
10-22-2012, 07:28 PM
None...He Just put up one of the best seasons ever and still wont win it...That right there tells the story....His Value on defense and on the bases will always be over shadowed by someone elses Home runs/Rbi.

metswon69
10-22-2012, 07:32 PM
Trout can also sustain a loss in BABIP and retain most of his value by improving one area, strikeouts. He strikes out quite a bit, he should be able to create less outs by strikeout thus putting the ball in play more.

With more power comes more strikeouts in most cases, it would depend on what some of his hitting philosophy was going forward.

If he becomes more of a straight power hitter, he will become less reliant on his speed which means he probably won't put as many balls in play.

It's going to be interesting to see how he evolves going forward.

metswon69
10-22-2012, 07:34 PM
I wonder if the Angels keep him at the leadoff spot too.

He has the ability to be a middle of the order guy no problem but his speed at the top of the lineup is of great benefit to them too.

He's a very unique baseball player.

xxplayerxx23
10-22-2012, 07:37 PM
1-2

natsbats
10-22-2012, 07:43 PM
They would be dumb to not keep Trout at leadoff, IMO.

Unless they have a 30 stolen base, .350ish OBP hitter coming up through the ranks.

vladdy#27
10-22-2012, 08:11 PM
1-2

This would be my estimate


They would be dumb to not keep Trout at leadoff, IMO.

Unless they have a 30 stolen base, .350ish OBP hitter coming up through the ranks.

I like Trout in the 2 spot. After Aybar got hot I wanted him to hit lead off, but that never happened. (From May 18 to the end of the season Aybar had a .359 OBP, .474 SLG, and 18 SB)

natepro
10-22-2012, 08:27 PM
Aybar's not going to see that kind of OBP normally, unfortunately.

jej
10-22-2012, 09:26 PM
With Pujols there and hitting like he can, you lead him off.

If they want him to win more MVPs (RBEYES) you hit him 4. That's where your best player goes.

jej
10-22-2012, 09:28 PM
Zero.

Shows how much of a homer you are. Just cause he is better than Miguel doesn't mean you have to blind yourself.

Trout could have more Rrrrbbbbiiiisss than Miggy and you would still say Miggy.

Nymfan87
10-22-2012, 09:52 PM
2-4. The BABIP and HR/FB will come down, but he's still a great player. I would probably only give him 20-30% odds of ever posting another 10 WAR season though.

sexicano31
10-22-2012, 09:55 PM
With Pujols there and hitting like he can, you lead him off.

If they want him to win more MVPs (RBEYES) you hit him 4. That's where your best player goes.

There really is no other place to hit him besides 1st or 4th. Like you said, with Pujols there he hits 1st

Cosmic_Canon
10-22-2012, 10:27 PM
I think he'll be a year in year out .900 OPS, 370 wOBA, 140 wRC gold glove center fielder with the occasional spike in numbers.

Still a HOF player, but what he did this year might not happen in his career again.

Pretty much

Vixious
10-23-2012, 03:15 AM
This thread just smells like it can end up being one of those that you look back on and think "what the hell were we thinking?". Kid is 20 years old. Give him a few more seasons before you start calling him Bonds or Griffey.

Pinstripe pride
10-23-2012, 09:01 AM
3 and a half

StryderSox
10-23-2012, 11:02 AM
This thread just smells like it can end up being one of those that you look back on and think "what the hell were we thinking?". Kid is 20 years old. Give him a few more seasons before you start calling him Bonds or Griffey.

Anybody remember a guy name Jacoby Ellsbury??? Hit 30 HR, 100RBI, almost 40SB, hit 321 with .376 OBP and .928OPS??? Everyone was saying he should be MVP and when his contract was up he would be looking 20 million per year for 8-10 years????

Probably not cause the next year he missed half the season and wasnt even close to being on pace to touch those numbers again. Probably never will be again.

Lets not all be too quick to get man crushes on Trout and let him put up consistant numbers for a few years before he still calling him a legend and inducting him into the HOF. Heck of a young talent but baseball history is filled with young talent that couldnt reproduce their break out year once pitchers figure out how to pitch them effectively.

ciaban
10-23-2012, 12:34 PM
i am still in awe about how this forum is all on his nuts like they are, guys he runs into walls, ask Griffy how long you can do that and still have an mlb career. I like Harper a lot better, i think he will have the longer career i think he is the better overall hitter. This is the guy we should be talking about.

metswon69
10-23-2012, 12:43 PM
When you have the 2nd best rookie season in MLB baseball all time and an MVP candidate right out of the box, it's kind of hard not to get into some of the hype.

Bryce Harper is playing CF too btw, so what's the difference in positions?

ciaban
10-23-2012, 12:46 PM
They would be dumb to not keep Trout at leadoff, IMO.

Unless they have a 30 stolen base, .350ish OBP hitter coming up through the ranks.
we have erik eybar and peter bourjos who is a better defender and much faster, i think he can put up a .350 obp over the life of a season, there is alos Cole Calhoon in AAA fast and a great defender.

I think he'll be a year in year out .900 OPS, 370 wOBA, 140 wRC gold glove center fielder with the occasional spike in numbers.

Still a HOF player, but what he did this year might not happen in his career again.

he isn't a center fielder going forward, he is a left fielder.

metswon69
10-23-2012, 12:49 PM
he isn't a center fielder going forward, he is a left fielder.

Why would they move a guy who plays great CF at 21 years old?

He could play that position for another 10+ years if they wanted him too.

ciaban
10-23-2012, 12:49 PM
When you have the 2nd best rookie season in MLB baseball all time and an MVP candidate right out of the box, it's kind of hard not to get into some of the hype.

Bryce Harper is playing CF too btw, so what's the difference in positions?
are you counting fernando valenzuela too?

and so what if he plays the same position. Haprer will move to right eventually, he doesn't have the speed to stay in Center Field, just like Trouts lack of an arm should push him into left.

ciaban
10-23-2012, 12:51 PM
Why would they move a guy who plays great CF at 21 years old?

He could play that position for another 10+ years if they wanted him too.

because he isn't the best Defender in Center that we have, none of you guys will no who Peter Bourjos is, but last year he should have won the Gold Glove there, he is A LOT faster which translates to better range and this year when ever Sciocia made a defensive substitution, he always but Peter in Center and Mike in left.

metswon69
10-23-2012, 12:53 PM
are you counting fernando valenzuela too?

and so what if he plays the same position. Haprer will move to right eventually, he doesn't have the speed to stay in Center Field, just like Trouts lack of an arm should push him into left.

I think that's really premature to say, they both play the CF position well (in Trout's case GG caliber). I really don't see either guy going anywhere.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2012&month=0&season1=1871&ind=3&team=&rost=&age=&filter=&players=

ciaban
10-23-2012, 12:58 PM
I think that's really premature to say, they both play the CF position well (in Trout's case GG caliber). I really don't see either guy going anywhere.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2012&month=0&season1=1871&ind=3&team=&rost=&age=&filter=&players=

if Peter Bourjos is given a starting OF job next year, he will be in center, and Mike will be in left, mostly because he can't play RF.

and i was asking if you count the year fernando had as one of the best rookie ones ever, he was a pitcher and wouldn't be on that list but he won the ROY and CY in 81

metswon69
10-23-2012, 12:59 PM
because he isn't the best Defender in Center that we have, none of you guys will no who Peter Bourjos is, but last year he should have won the Gold Glove there, he is A LOT faster which translates to better range and this year when ever Sciocia made a defensive substitution, he always but Peter in Center and Mike in left.

It's also a possibility Bourjos becomes expendable, i know who Bourjos is but let's give me a break, he has a .308 career BABIP and hit .220 last year.

Those aren't every starting OF's numbers.

metswon69
10-23-2012, 01:04 PM
Yeah btw Trout's rookie season much better than Valenzuela's

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1013327&position=P

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=10155&position=OF

Trout's War almost doubled Fernando's.

ciaban
10-23-2012, 01:06 PM
It's also a possibility Bourjos becomes expendable, i know who Bourjos is but let's give me a break, he has a .308 career BABIP and hit .220 last year.

he got off to a slow start, like everyone else on that team lost his job and never got a chance again, a .308 BABIP is low, and he has incredible speed, so he could sport an even higher one than average. and he had an OBP at nearly .300 he has improved his ability to walk, and in 2011 he showed that he does have some pop in his bat. I think if given a chance in 2013 he will be able to really shine.

natsbats
10-23-2012, 01:06 PM
LOL @ the idea of Bourjos being way faster than Trout.

I've heard it all. Trout might be the fastest guy in the league.

ciaban
10-23-2012, 01:07 PM
Yeah btw Trout's rookie season much better than Valenzuela's

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1013327&position=P

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=10155&position=OF

Trout's War almost doubled Fernando's.

i wasn't asking if it was better or worse, one is a pitcher the other isn't, they are kind of different, i was just gagging your opinion

natsbats
10-23-2012, 01:08 PM
are you counting fernando valenzuela too?

and so what if he plays the same position. Haprer will move to right eventually, he doesn't have the speed to stay in Center Field, just like Trouts lack of an arm should push him into left.

Bryce Harpers speed is fine in center field. He was pretty effing good in the field this year, trust me I know. Not quite GG caliber, but very very close and there's no reason he can't stay at center field.

ciaban
10-23-2012, 01:08 PM
LOL @ the idea of Bourjos being way faster than Trout.

I've heard it all. Trout might be the fastest guy in the league.

he isn't as fast as Dee Gordon dodgers short stop, or billy hamilton a SS in the reds system, i knew most people here wouldn't have heard of Bourjos, but he legitimately is faster than trout, i don't know why that's so impossible to wrap your mind around.

ciaban
10-23-2012, 01:10 PM
Bryce Harpers speed is fine in center field. He was pretty effing good in the field this year, trust me I know. Not quite GG caliber, but very very close and there's no reason he can't stay at center field.

i never said he would be moved right away, but eventually his speed will degrade like everyone else, and he will need to be moved over to right.

Getting UGGLA
10-23-2012, 01:11 PM
Who cares? Better question: "How many World Series trophies will the Angels win?"

metswon69
10-23-2012, 01:21 PM
I think Trout had the better rookie season, i know how much of a roll Fernando went on during that 81' season (winning the Cy Young and helping them to win a WS) but i don't think you can fault Trout for the Angels not making the playoffs.

ciaban
10-23-2012, 01:26 PM
I think Trout had the better rookie season, i know how much of a roll Fernando went on during that 81' season (winning the Cy Young and helping them to win a WS) but i don't think you can fault Trout for the Angels not making the playoffs.

i definitely wasn't going to blame trout for that, the slump in August really sucked because we should have made the playoffs over texas. We just played in to tuff of a division,

RaiderKid318
10-23-2012, 01:30 PM
Multiple his defense alone puts and average season with the bat at least in talks for MVP lol. No but seriously he will win multiple his bat and power will improve he has at least 10 more years to depend on his speed. Heck barring injuries he could easily win 4-6 in the next 10 years.

Jeffy25
10-23-2012, 02:23 PM
Who cares? Better question: "How many World Series trophies will the Angels win?"

As a somewhat bitter Cardinals fan.

I don't want to see Albert holding a WS trophy up again.


But I want many of the individuals on that team to do well, like Trout, Haren, Weaver, etc.

StriveGreatness
10-23-2012, 02:23 PM
Shows how much of a homer you are. Just cause he is better than Miguel doesn't mean you have to blind yourself.

Trout could have more Rrrrbbbbiiiisss than Miggy and you would still say Miggy.

How am I a homer for saying Trout will win zero MVPs?

Nomar
10-23-2012, 02:32 PM
Angels are going to have a hard time winning the world series when they have an aging Wilson and Pujols who are getting paid way too much. They better hope they can strike while the iron's hot, like within the next few years. Obviously that is a strong possibility though.