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JordansBulls
10-21-2012, 06:54 PM
Who is the Better defender: Carmelo Anthony or Kevin Durant?

xxplayerxx23
10-21-2012, 06:55 PM
We all know how this is going to go, but Melo has vastly improved. Durant by a little but Melo when Motivated is the better defender.

Supreme LA
10-21-2012, 06:56 PM
Both are pretty terrible but Carmelo is down right horrible on that side of the floor. I give the edge to Durant because of his length.

InRoseWeTrust
10-21-2012, 07:01 PM
If he tried consistently, Melo would be much better. Currently it's Durant though because of effort and length.

xxplayerxx23
10-21-2012, 07:01 PM
Yep, why not just go on his name. People hear Melo and just assume he suck.

Supreme LA
10-21-2012, 07:05 PM
Yep, why not just go on his name. People hear Melo and just assume he suck.

He does suck. I don't go off reputation. He is one of the worst team defenders in the league. He can't stay in front of anyone on the perimeter. I will give him credit for being a decent post defender but that's about it. I watch him play all the time. Team defense is his biggest weakness.

xxplayerxx23
10-21-2012, 07:08 PM
He does suck. I don't go off reputation. He is one of the worst team defenders in the league. He can't stay in front of anyone on the perimeter. I will give him credit for being a decent post defender but that's about it. I watch him play all the time. Team defense is his biggest weakness.

Wrong, he stays in front of his man. You must of missed last year from the start he was average and improved, he is no where near the worst defender in the league and is not one of them. You are going off of Reputation

tredigs
10-21-2012, 07:08 PM
Serious question?

KD is a an absolutely tremendous defender who doesn't take plays off. All metrics/eye test of his D this past season have him in the top 10% overall. Melo's a joke on D ("but great when he wants to!"), always has been.

Supreme LA
10-21-2012, 07:11 PM
Wrong, he stays in front of his man. You must of missed last year from the start he was average and improved, he is no where near the worst defender in the league and is not one of them. You are going off of Reputation

Wrong. I watch Melo all the time. His feet aren't quick enough to stay in front of guys on the perimeter. You are just making assumptions at this point. I'm sorry but Melo is not better than Durant.

PleaseBeNice
10-21-2012, 07:11 PM
Yep, why not just go on his name. People hear Melo and just assume he suck.

You got defensive pretty quickly. That's when you know he isn't a good defender

Punk
10-21-2012, 07:11 PM
2010/2011


Kevin Durant:

Defense: Pts per 100 Poss:

On The Floor: 108.9

Off The Floor: 104.6

Melo:

Defense: Pts per 100 Poss:

On The Floor: 114.2

Off The Floor: 110.4



Melo's Defensive Rating: 102 last season

Durant's Defensive Rating: 107 last season

It's pretty even.

xcrisisx
10-21-2012, 07:12 PM
durant based on effort
they could both be great
kd needs to add some muscle though

meloman1592
10-21-2012, 07:12 PM
Serious question?

KD is a an absolutely tremendous defender who doesn't take plays off. All metrics/eye test of his D this past season have him in the top 10% overall. Melo's a joke on D ("but great when he wants to!"), always has been.

The deepthroat is critical on this website

LakersKB24
10-21-2012, 07:13 PM
Melo could be such a great player if he wasn't so lazy on D. I mean it's not like he CAN'T play defense, he just doesn't feel like it. I remember that 1 year, some time after the 08 Olympics, he actually played solid defensively but sadly stopped at some point.

That being said, I have to give this one to KD. He needs to bulk up thoguh.

xxplayerxx23
10-21-2012, 07:14 PM
Wrong. I watch Melo all the time. His feet aren't quick enough to stay in front of guys on the perimeter. You are just making assumptions at this point. I'm sorry but Melo is not better than Durant.

Lol You don't watch him close enough then, He isn't great but no where near bad. Assumptions what assumption did I make? :eyebrow: I didn't say he is better then Durant but its close and Durant isn't a great defender as well

Bruno
10-21-2012, 07:14 PM
Serious question?

KD is a an absolutely tremendous defender who doesn't take plays off.
thats the best way to put it. he doesnt take plays off, he's not lazy. he uses his length very well.

Gators123
10-21-2012, 07:15 PM
This thread is disrespectful to KD.

xxplayerxx23
10-21-2012, 07:17 PM
Disrespectful to KD? Since when is KD a defender?

KnickaBocka.44
10-21-2012, 07:19 PM
Disrespectful to KD? Since when is KD a defender?

He's not. People don't look at numbers, they don't watch the games, they just know that KD is a saint and Melo is a sinner.

Meaze_Gibson
10-21-2012, 07:20 PM
KD is better on perimeter cause of his length. Carmelo is better guarding post players because of his strength. Both are not scared to guard the best players during clutch moments. Both are average to above average defenders when they want to be. (Yes, Durant does take plays off as well)

Cal827
10-21-2012, 07:21 PM
:laugh: at Durant's a great defender. I think he's better than Melo, but Melo can be good if he's actually willing to defend. It should be interested what a defensive oriented coach will do with him.

Supreme LA
10-21-2012, 07:27 PM
Lol You don't watch him close enough then, He isn't great but no where near bad. Assumptions what assumption did I make? :eyebrow: I didn't say he is better then Durant but its close and Durant isn't a great defender as well

You made the assumption that I solely went off reputation? :confused:

2-ONE-5
10-21-2012, 07:40 PM
who cares

xxplayerxx23
10-21-2012, 07:47 PM
You made the assumption that I solely went off reputation? :confused:

And you clearly did if you call him one of the worst defenders in the league.

Guppyfighter
10-21-2012, 07:51 PM
I remember posting a gif of Carmelo letting a defender go right by him. What happened to it?

xxplayerxx23
10-21-2012, 07:55 PM
Oh no one play Melo is the worst defender in the game.

5ass
10-21-2012, 08:08 PM
Kd is a decent defender. He has become slightly above average.

seikou8
10-21-2012, 08:10 PM
melo is not that bad of defender as psd makes him out to be

Knicks21
10-21-2012, 08:13 PM
Yet to hear a reasonable argument that Melo is the worst defender in the league, or lightyears behind durant.

Ebbs
10-21-2012, 08:14 PM
I would say it depends on the night

heyman321
10-21-2012, 08:15 PM
Lebron is better than both of them combined.

seikou8
10-21-2012, 08:20 PM
Lebron is better than both of them combined.

:facepalm: come on now

ChiSox219
10-21-2012, 08:39 PM
I would say it depends on the night

It really doesnt

JNA17
10-21-2012, 08:41 PM
Jeez, if I were an idiot and believed everything PSD said, I would think Melo is barely a top 30 player and one of the worst defenders in the league :laugh: .

justinnum1
10-21-2012, 08:45 PM
durant easily

Kashmir13579
10-21-2012, 08:50 PM
And you have to pick between these 2 guys?

They both should play much better defense for their respective god given talents.. I'll leave it at that.

Kashmir13579
10-21-2012, 08:51 PM
What is Durant's wingspan anyways? 18ft or something?

JasonJohnHorn
10-21-2012, 08:51 PM
Statistically I'd say Durant, he gets over a steal and a block a game. Plus he's taller, so he gets an advantage in terms of reach on jump shooters.

Longhornfan1234
10-21-2012, 09:00 PM
KD is a better defender. LOL @ KD being great defender. He's great at contesting jumpers, blocking shots, playing the passing lanes...but guys can take KD off the dripple pretty easily.

PC
10-21-2012, 09:14 PM
Jeez, if I were an idiot and believed everything PSD said, I would think Melo is barely a top 30 player and one of the worst defenders in the league :laugh: .

This...

mrblisterdundee
10-21-2012, 09:20 PM
Just check the stats. Kevin Durant regularly contributes more to his team's wins through his defense than Carmelo Anthony does. He's also got better reach and physical conditioning. There's a reason Durantula and LeBron James have been on the All-NBA first team the last three seasons in a row, while Anthony languishes on the third-string line-up.

Baller1
10-21-2012, 09:29 PM
People aren't choosing Durant over Melo because Durant is "a saint" and Melo "is a sinner", as so many of you put it.

They're choosing Durant over Melo because Durant is a much better defender than him. Kinda simple concept.

203 Uconn LaL
10-21-2012, 09:29 PM
A motivated Melo

Baller1
10-21-2012, 09:30 PM
Melo has 16 votes? Haha, that's comedic.

b@llhog24
10-21-2012, 09:30 PM
Serious question?

KD is a an absolutely tremendous defender who doesn't take plays off. All metrics/eye test of his D this past season have him in the top 10% overall. Melo's a joke on D ("but great when he wants to!"), always has been.

Maybe it's just semantics, but when I think of KD's defense I don't think of the word "tremendous."


2010/2011






It's pretty even.

What's this supposed to mean? :confused:



KD is better on perimeter cause of his length. Carmelo is better guarding post players because of his strength. Both are not scared to guard the best players during clutch moments. Both are average to above average defenders when they want to be. (Yes, Durant does take plays off as well)

Good point, Melo's seen some of his best numbers at the 4 spot, Maybe he should have make the transition there sooner?


And you have to pick between these 2 guys?

They both should play much better defense for their respective god given talents.. I'll leave it at that.

+1.


Just check the stats. Kevin Durant regularly contributes more to his team's wins through his defense than Carmelo Anthony does. He's also got better reach and physical conditioning. There's a reason Durantula and LeBron James have been on the All-NBA first team the last three seasons in a row, while Anthony languishes on the third-string line-up.

And it sure as **** isn't defense.

xxplayerxx23
10-21-2012, 09:32 PM
What I learned. Durant is a GREAT defender and melo is one of the worst defenders in the league, nice.

Yankeefan213
10-21-2012, 09:33 PM
It is definitely Durant. Melo is probably better when motivated, which is why Durant is better. Durant doesn't take possessions off like Melo does.

da ThRONe
10-21-2012, 09:38 PM
I'm with the majority here. Durant but only because he puts in the effort. Melo has the better talent as a defender.

Durant defense is overrated. And it's why I have a hard time placing him with player like James, Howard, and Paul.

ChiSox219
10-21-2012, 09:44 PM
Durant is quicker, taller, longer, smarter so even if Melo was more willing why do people think he'd be able to defend as well as Kd.

Guppyfighter
10-21-2012, 09:53 PM
Durant's defense will improve this year, Durant is still going to get better.

Carmelo has been in the league for eight years and a hope for improvement is small.

DR_1
10-21-2012, 09:56 PM
Seriously JB. Mods have set a loose standard around here if they let this type of thread stay open. :facepalm:

xxplayerxx23
10-21-2012, 10:07 PM
Drose, what sig do you want for when you lose?

Evolution23
10-21-2012, 10:54 PM
They both suck on the defensive side.

ChiSox219
10-21-2012, 10:55 PM
They both suck on the defensive side.

No

Hawkeye15
10-21-2012, 10:59 PM
Durant pretty easily.

HouRealCoach
10-21-2012, 11:13 PM
Durant my ***...

He couldn't hold LeBron, Battier, or Wade... It got to a point where he had to get on Chalmers and even he got off on him & Melo actually played pretty good on defense under Mike Woodson

Also Durant played next to 4 other guys who can play some some damn good defense to make up for his terrible defense but Melo was beside Lin, Fields, Amare, & Davis that made the team defense look horrible so of course he would catch the blame

Durant is HORRIBLE on defense

AIRMAR72
10-21-2012, 11:32 PM
is this a joke both guys hate playing D but I go with durant since he played well against some of the guys on US olympic team during practice

Sadds The Gr8
10-21-2012, 11:38 PM
The guy not named Carmelo Anthony

justinnum1
10-21-2012, 11:41 PM
They both suck on the defensive side.

Only one does, and his name is melo.

DeRozan10
10-22-2012, 12:32 AM
so far only 19 knicks fans have voted???

LA_Raiders
10-22-2012, 01:30 AM
Melo if he wasnt lazy at it.

STL Don
10-22-2012, 01:39 AM
Melo is the better defender. Just doesn't show it enough

thrice4
10-22-2012, 01:46 AM
Melo is the better defender. Just doesn't show it enough

uhhh so he isn't then?

Baller1
10-22-2012, 01:49 AM
Durant my ***...

He couldn't hold LeBron, Battier, or Wade... It got to a point where he had to get on Chalmers and even he got off on him & Melo actually played pretty good on defense under Mike Woodson

Also Durant played next to 4 other guys who can play some some damn good defense to make up for his terrible defense but Melo was beside Lin, Fields, Amare, & Davis that made the team defense look horrible so of course he would catch the blame

Durant is HORRIBLE on defense

Haha.

N3TS
10-22-2012, 02:17 AM
Kevin Durant is a more active defender than Carmelo.

BklynKnicks3
10-22-2012, 12:44 PM
Melo defense is above avg problem is peopel compare him to lebron and he is not that type of athlete

Swashcuff
10-22-2012, 01:13 PM
Melo defense is above avg problem is peopel compare him to lebron and he is not that type of athlete

What type of athlete is he? Are you sick? This is the first time I've ever seen you say LeBron's actual name.

Evolution23
10-22-2012, 01:14 PM
Oh it's you again.

JerzeyStorm
10-22-2012, 01:36 PM
Baiting and trolling hard with this thread..

Knick Melo fans vote for Melo

Knick Melo haters vote for Durant

Knick haters vote for Durant

Melo haters vote for Durant

Thunder fans vote for Durant

Durant fans vote for Durant

Now if you actually weren't biased and watched them BOTH play with out the bias.. Melo is better when he tries.. Durant has no strength and gets bullied around.. Key word is when Melo tries and since Mike D was fired Melo has been very solid on D and in the Olympics

JiffyMix88
10-22-2012, 01:59 PM
Its funny before I opened this link I said, "Is this a serious question?" Then I seen the poll and thought maybe I thought Kevin Durant being a better defender was just obvious to me and maybe I was wrong, then I voted... Then I seen the land slide and realized I wasnt tripping.

justinnum1
10-22-2012, 02:15 PM
Melo defense is above avg problem is peopel compare him to lebron and he is not that type of athlete

:facepalm:

The obvious answer is durant. only people who think otherwise are the knicks homers.

RC3
10-22-2012, 02:22 PM
Durante is a better shot blocker than Carmelo. But both of them aren't that great. Shot blocking is overrated anyway and shouldn't be considered as good defense.

Nomar
10-22-2012, 02:37 PM
It isnt about who has more defensive potential. Effort is a part of basketball...

BklynKnicks3
10-22-2012, 02:58 PM
What type of athlete is he? Are you sick? This is the first time I've ever seen you say LeBron's actual name.

my fault Melo is a alittle above avg athlete for nba standerds. Coward is best athlete of all time,

B'sCeltsPatsSox
10-22-2012, 03:14 PM
2010/2011






It's pretty even.

Absolutely awful stats to determine a single players performance on the defensive end.


It's KD, and not really even close either. Carmelo is still pretty awful.

IBleedPurple
10-22-2012, 05:57 PM
Durant tries more, but fails. Melo succeeds more when he tries, but rarely does.

Similar to which is better for off roading: A Lambo or Ferrari?

Blitzbolt
10-22-2012, 06:35 PM
KD never really plays vs top offensive players they use sefo or whatever his name is.

But Still Melo is pretty bad.

JordansBulls
10-22-2012, 07:24 PM
Seriously JB. Mods have set a loose standard around here if they let this type of thread stay open. :facepalm:

What do you mean?

Evolution23
10-22-2012, 10:11 PM
Durant tries more, but fails. Melo succeeds more when he tries, but rarely does.

Similar to which is better for off roading: A Lambo or Ferrari?

This

Baller1
10-23-2012, 12:00 PM
Durant tries more, but fails. Melo succeeds more when he tries, but rarely does.

Similar to which is better for off roading: A Lambo or Ferrari?

What exactly leads you to the conclusion that Durant fails on defense?

BklynKnicks3
10-23-2012, 12:35 PM
i never seen a player get the 2nd best player in the nba title with actually showing why he is 2nd best he scores 27 ppg and plays with loaded team. If melo was on that team every1 would say he is the 2nd best player in the nba not just me. Problem is not many people think outside of the box. Nobody realizes the fact of how muche asier it is when u play with guys like harden n wb those guys always draw the respect of the other defense which lead to durant not beign doubled team much. His 3 scoring titles also overated just did it in year no1 avg alot of points if u look at melos 3 best scoring season they are just as good if not better.

koreancabbage
10-23-2012, 12:43 PM
i never seen a player get the 2nd best player in the nba title with actually showing why he is 2nd best he scores 27 ppg and plays with loaded team. If melo was on that team every1 would say he is the 2nd best player in the nba not just me. Problem is not many people think outside of the box. Nobody realizes the fact of how muche asier it is when u play with guys like harden n wb those guys always draw the respect of the other defense which lead to durant not beign doubled team much. His 3 scoring titles also overated just did it in year no1 avg alot of points if u look at melos 3 best scoring season they are just as good if not better.

he got to the NBA Finals last time I checked. we'll start comparing when Melo gets there.

Tysons_Beard
10-23-2012, 12:48 PM
Exactly what punk said... It's almost even

BklynKnicks3
10-23-2012, 12:54 PM
he got to the NBA Finals last time I checked. we'll start comparing when Melo gets there.

like i said melo never played with 2 prime all star players. Last time i checked Melo lost to heat in 5 games by hilself just like durant did in those finals. While he was getting 30 a game from wb. Even thoe harden was horrible

koreancabbage
10-23-2012, 01:05 PM
like i said melo never played with 2 prime all star players. Last time i checked Melo lost to heat in 5 games by hilself just like durant did in those finals. While he was getting 30 a game from wb. Even thoe harden was horrible

in all honesty. Westbrook and Harden are not "prime" all stars either. So I dont think either are in their primes yet.

Last year was their breakout seasons. Harden could have another breakout season without being in the shadow of Durant and Westbrook.

Melo lost in the first round while Durant lost in the Finals. Big difference. By the time you are in the Finals, you're either tired or injured or both. Melo was fresh from playing an even shortened season.

Melo has Stoudemire and Chandler- who, by some account, are in the their primes.

but to refer back to the original question: Melo is the better defender though I can't quantify it on how much better.

Stinkyoutsider
10-23-2012, 01:29 PM
I think Melo is underrated defensively. When he's motivated, he's good. The problem is, he's only motivated for a few games and not the entire season. I think defending is as much about will and desire as it is strategy. You've got to want to lock down your guy every night to be a good defender in the NBA.

Durant will be a better defender in due time but I think he doesn't have the mind for it as of yet. I've seen him take bad charges and steps sometimes. With his wingspan, I think he would be a better defender if most of his time didn't involve having to score so much.

I take Melo on this one but it's close.

IBleedPurple
10-23-2012, 03:09 PM
What exactly leads you to the conclusion that Durant fails on defense?

So he doesn't always fail, he has had a couple moments where he has been serviceable/decent. Notably in a couple playoff games. But he has a long way to go in that aspect.

tredigs
10-23-2012, 03:16 PM
Who's taller, faster, longer, more athletic, in better shape, not even yet in his prime/continually improving and puts forth his all in every game? That is the answer to this question. Durant had 5-6 defensive outputs in this playoffs alone that nearly eclipse virtually anything we've ever seen in Melo in a 6+ year longer career. You die hards are simply delusional.

BklynKnicks3
10-23-2012, 03:20 PM
in all honesty. Westbrook and Harden are not "prime" all stars either. So I dont think either are in their primes yet.

Last year was their breakout seasons. Harden could have another breakout season without being in the shadow of Durant and Westbrook.

Melo lost in the first round while Durant lost in the Finals. Big difference. By the time you are in the Finals, you're either tired or injured or both. Melo was fresh from playing an even shortened season.

Melo has Stoudemire and Chandler- who, by some account, are in the their primes.

but to refer back to the original question: Melo is the better defender though I can't quantify it on how much better.

actually u couldnt be more wrong 3 knicks starter where injured vs heat and the whole thunder team was healthy. Amare is does nothing to help the knicks. Chandler is a solid big but not any kind of all star

BklynKnicks3
10-23-2012, 03:21 PM
durant does one thing better then Melo and thats shoot and not by a wide margin either.

tredigs
10-23-2012, 03:34 PM
durant does one thing better then Melo and thats shoot and not by a wide margin either.

There are exactly zero coaches, prospective coaches, indifferent fans or mascots in the NBA who would take Melo over Durant. And it's not because he does one thing "slightly better".

dnewguy
10-23-2012, 03:37 PM
There is a reason Melo was benched for Durant in the Olympics.

todu82
10-23-2012, 03:47 PM
Kevin Durant

Baller1
10-23-2012, 03:58 PM
So he doesn't always fail, he has had a couple moments where he has been serviceable/decent. Notably in a couple playoff games. But he has a long way to go in that aspect.

No doubt, but I don't think "fail" is a fair word to use for Durant's defense.

Baller1
10-23-2012, 03:59 PM
i never seen a player get the 2nd best player in the nba title with actually showing why he is 2nd best he scores 27 ppg and plays with loaded team. If melo was on that team every1 would say he is the 2nd best player in the nba not just me. Problem is not many people think outside of the box. Nobody realizes the fact of how muche asier it is when u play with guys like harden n wb those guys always draw the respect of the other defense which lead to durant not beign doubled team much. His 3 scoring titles also overated just did it in year no1 avg alot of points if u look at melos 3 best scoring season they are just as good if not better.

"Efficiency". Durant has it, Melo does not.

I'll leave it at that.

nycericanguy
10-23-2012, 04:07 PM
i never seen a player get the 2nd best player in the nba title with actually showing why he is 2nd best he scores 27 ppg and plays with loaded team. If melo was on that team every1 would say he is the 2nd best player in the nba not just me. Problem is not many people think outside of the box. Nobody realizes the fact of how muche asier it is when u play with guys like harden n wb those guys always draw the respect of the other defense which lead to durant not beign doubled team much. His 3 scoring titles also overated just did it in year no1 avg alot of points if u look at melos 3 best scoring season they are just as good if not better.

You ride Melo hard but you actually make some good points here that I've bought up myself.

Melo is a career 46% shooter, Durant 47%. Not a huge difference.

The efficiency difference is that Durant is a better 3 point & FT shooter which thus gives him more overall points despite their FG % being nearly identical.

Other than that their offensive career stats are very similar.

And yes I do agree Durant has had a huge advantage having played with and grown up with Harden, Ibaka & Westbrook for 4 years. There is alot to be said for consistency and stability. Durant has been very fortunate in that regard. And of course 3 stars playing together tends to lead to greater efficiency.

Melo has never really had either of those.

bucketss
10-23-2012, 04:07 PM
i never seen a player get the 2nd best player in the nba title with actually showing why he is 2nd best he scores 27 ppg and plays with loaded team. If melo was on that team every1 would say he is the 2nd best player in the nba not just me. Problem is not many people think outside of the box. Nobody realizes the fact of how muche asier it is when u play with guys like harden n wb those guys always draw the respect of the other defense which lead to durant not beign doubled team much. His 3 scoring titles also overated just did it in year no1 avg alot of points if u look at melos 3 best scoring season they are just as good if not better.

lol yeah right if they switched places people like you would say "durant only plays better because he puts up big numbers on a bad team" in melos case he puts up disappointing numbers on a bad team.

tapajafri
10-23-2012, 04:10 PM
They're both pretty bad.... I'll go with Melo

Gram
10-23-2012, 04:13 PM
Khris Durant.

DanG
10-23-2012, 04:30 PM
You ride Melo hard but you actually make some good points here that I've bought up myself.

Melo is a career 46% shooter, Durant 47%. Not a huge difference.

The efficiency difference is that Durant is a better 3 point & FT shooter which thus gives him more overall points despite their FG % being nearly identical.

Other than that their offensive career stats are very similar.

And yes I do agree Durant has had a huge advantage having played with and grown up with Harden, Ibaka & Westbrook for 4 years. There is alot to be said for consistency and stability. Durant has been very fortunate in that regard. And of course 3 stars playing together tends to lead to greater efficiency.

Melo has never really had either of those.

Do you think Melo would have led the last years OKC to the finals?

BklynKnicks3
10-23-2012, 04:36 PM
You ride Melo hard but you actually make some good points here that I've bought up myself.

Melo is a career 46% shooter, Durant 47%. Not a huge difference.

The efficiency difference is that Durant is a better 3 point & FT shooter which thus gives him more overall points despite their FG % being nearly identical.

Other than that their offensive career stats are very similar.

And yes I do agree Durant has had a huge advantage having played with and grown up with Harden, Ibaka & Westbrook for 4 years. There is alot to be said for consistency and stability. Durant has been very fortunate in that regard. And of course 3 stars playing together tends to lead to greater efficiency.

Melo has never really had either of those.

ding sing sing wow finally someone gets it

BklynKnicks3
10-23-2012, 04:38 PM
Do you think Melo would have led the last years OKC to the finals?

yes and they are going more then 5 games. Since melo went 5 games with a below avg team around him because of injuries. Iam sure havin wb puttin up 30 n harden doing what he does would help them win some more games

BklynKnicks3
10-23-2012, 04:39 PM
"Efficiency". Durant has it, Melo does not.

I'll leave it at that.

what u dong get is its easier to be efficient when u have players on ur team that the other team respects career wise he shoots 1% better u cant be serious

DanG
10-23-2012, 04:41 PM
what u dong get is its easier to be efficient when u have players on ur team that the other team respects career wise he shoots 1% better u cant be serious


We are talking about last year.. not career. Last year Melo shot 43% and Durant 48%.

kozelkid
10-23-2012, 04:42 PM
LOL, PSD. Always a season behind on a player's defensive improvements.

Durant is an ELITE defender. This is fact. To think otherwise means you clearly haven't watched Durant last season. And if that's the case, then simply look up his synergy numbers.

DanG
10-23-2012, 04:43 PM
yes and they are going more then 5 games. Since melo went 5 games with a below avg team around him because of injuries. Iam sure havin wb puttin up 30 n harden doing what he does would help them win some more games


No, just no. They don't get past Spurs.. Spurs would have swept them easily. And I'm pretty sure the lakers would have won too.

Baller1
10-23-2012, 04:43 PM
what u dong get is its easier to be efficient when u have players on ur team that the other team respects career wise he shoots 1% better u cant be serious

So you just get to disregard free throws and three pointers?

Baller1
10-23-2012, 04:44 PM
LOL, PSD. Always a season behind on a player's defensive improvements.

Durant is an ELITE defender. This is fact. To think otherwise means you clearly haven't watched Durant last season. And if that's the case, then simply look up his synergy numbers.

:nod:

kozelkid
10-23-2012, 04:48 PM
Here's an image of a synergy comparison between Lebron and Durant (first one is Durant, second is Lebron). They are almost dead even. That should tell yall just how good of a defender Durant has become. I've said it before, defensively he reminds me very much of Luol Deng.

http://i.imgur.com/TpXB2.jpg

HowFit
10-23-2012, 04:49 PM
Anthony is just plain terrible with his defense...

bucketss
10-23-2012, 05:18 PM
Here's an image of a synergy comparison between Lebron and Durant (first one is Durant, second is Lebron). They are almost dead even. That should tell yall just how good of a defender Durant has become. I've said it before, defensively he reminds me very much of Luol Deng.

http://i.imgur.com/TpXB2.jpg

i remember when he locked kobe down in crunch time last year.

JayW_1023
10-23-2012, 06:16 PM
The only thing Melo does better is post scoring.

KingPosey
10-23-2012, 06:41 PM
Serious question?

KD is a an absolutely tremendous defender who doesn't take plays off. All metrics/eye test of his D this past season have him in the top 10% overall. Melo's a joke on D ("but great when he wants to!"), always has been.

huh?

xxplayerxx23
10-23-2012, 06:42 PM
Obviously Kobe.

JerzeyStorm
10-23-2012, 08:31 PM
:facepalm:

The obvious answer is durant. only people who think otherwise are the knicks homers.

Everyone knows you hate the Knicks.. Enough of the bs comments..

tredigs
10-23-2012, 09:16 PM
huh?

Where are you lost?

Brooks was often making him the choice to guard the other teams best perimeter player in the 4th quarter of playoff games, and he came through in a big way. Ask any Laker fan how Kobe did with Durant on him. His defensive footwork and closeout ability are clearly better than they've ever been, and combined with his length, is crippling his opponents ability to get clear shots off.

*Top ten in defensive win shares
*101 D-rating is upper tier, and 2nd on the Thunder to only Ibaka
*12.1 opponents PER versus him is upper tier and #1 on the Thunder
*2.5 blks+stls on only 2 fouls a game is likely a top 5 ratio in the NBA
*Synergy has him in the top 7% of all perimeter defenders.

It reminds me of when Lebron was still panned as a defensive liability as he continually progressed towards elite status. Now you'd be laughed out of the room for the notion, but there was a long time when it was still commonly accepted (by those who didn't watch much basketball with clear eyes) that he was mediocre at best long into his career. That's KD's status right now by many, which is far from the case. He's a highly effective/disruptive defender who's beginning to tap into his unprecedented combo of length and athleticism from the 3 spot.

jayjay33
10-23-2012, 09:33 PM
When melo actually "wants" to play D he is a good defender. An better tha Durant.

tredigs
10-23-2012, 09:45 PM
Vince Carter was better than Michael Jordan.

But, y'know, Jordan wanted it more.

Same with Zach Randolph and Charles Barkley.

bucketss
10-23-2012, 09:49 PM
When melo actually "wants" to play D he is a good defender. An better tha Durant.

he usually never "wants" to though so yeah.. lmao.

KnickaBocka.44
10-23-2012, 09:54 PM
Where are you lost?

Brooks was often making him the choice to guard the other teams best perimeter player in the 4th quarter of playoff games, and he came through in a big way. Ask any Laker fan how Kobe did with Durant on him. His defensive footwork and closeout ability are clearly better than they've ever been, and combined with his length, is crippling his opponents ability to get clear shots off.

*Top ten in defensive win shares
*101 D-rating is upper tier, and 2nd on the Thunder to only Ibaka
*12.1 opponents PER versus him is upper tier and #1 on the Thunder
*2.5 blks+stls on only 2 fouls a game is likely a top 5 ratio in the NBA
*Synergy has him in the top 7% of all perimeter defenders.

It reminds me of when Lebron was still panned as a defensive liability as he continually progressed towards elite status. Now you'd be laughed out of the room for the notion, but there was a long time when it was still commonly accepted (by those who didn't watch much basketball with clear eyes) that he was mediocre at best long into his career. That's KD's status right now by many, which is far from the case. He's a highly effective/disruptive defender who's beginning to tap into his unprecedented combo of length and athleticism from the 3 spot.

Andre Igoudala
Ronnie Brewer
Metta World Peace
Nicholas Batum
Lebron James
Aaron Afflalo
Thabo Sefolosha
Paul George
Luol Deng
Shawn Marion
Shane Battier
Avery Bradley
Russell Westbrook
Kyle Lowry
Dwyane Wade
Kobe Bryant
Iman Shumpert
Chris Paul


Off the top of my head, all are better perimeter defenders than Kevin Durant

justinnum1
10-23-2012, 10:02 PM
How is this thread still going on? It's durant and it's not close.

D12 fan
10-23-2012, 10:06 PM
^Closet OKC fan

Swashcuff
10-24-2012, 11:56 AM
Andre Igoudala
Ronnie Brewer
Metta World Peace
Nicholas Batum
Lebron James
Aaron Afflalo
Thabo Sefolosha
Paul George
Luol Deng
Shawn Marion
Shane Battier
Avery Bradley
Russell Westbrook
Kyle Lowry
Dwyane Wade
Kobe Bryant
Iman Shumpert
Chris Paul


Off the top of my head, all are better perimeter defenders than Kevin Durant

So basically going by this you are agreeing that he's top 7% in the NBA? Cool.

BklynKnicks3
10-24-2012, 01:54 PM
abuse http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201101190DEN.html

BklynKnicks3
10-24-2012, 01:56 PM
close matchup http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200902040OKC.html

Carey
10-24-2012, 02:02 PM
Can i say neither? lol...My view is sort of unfair because i've seen all but a handful of KD's games as a pro and he can be downright horrendous at times. When he's asked to guard a real scorer he takes the challenge and does a good job, he doesnt gamble, he values the routine contest, etc. But when he's playing a subpar guy he's gonna lay off and i've seen him get cooked by guys that shouldnt do so. I swear everytime Chandler Parsons sees this guy he probably feel like he can go for 30 lol.

CLOUD-9
10-24-2012, 02:16 PM
Melo...... wait.... KD..... wait..... Melo..... wait...... It's a tie!!!! :confused:

Baller1
10-24-2012, 02:17 PM
So basically going by this you are agreeing that he's top 7% in the NBA? Cool.

Haha, I was thinking the same thing. And not even all the names he listed are better defenders than KD.

JordansBulls
10-26-2012, 12:45 AM
How is this thread still going on? It's durant and it's not close.
How is it not close my friend?